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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 22 May 1946

Vol. 31 No. 20

Export of Rabbits—Motion.

I move:

That the Seanad is of opinion that Emergency Powers (Export of Dead Poultry and Rabbits) Order, 1945 (Temporary Amendment) Order, 1946, made by the Minister for Agriculture, should be revoked.

The Order made by the Minister, completely prohibiting the export of rabbits under any conditions from the 7th March, 1946, to the 26th October, 1946, has caused a great deal of alarm amongst farmers. Everybody knows that rabbits have become a terrible pest and plague to farmers in many parts of the country. That is particularly so at the present time, when farmers are growing cereal crops over a very big acreage. We all know the amount of destruction they can do. There is no need to tell Senators of the enormous rate at which they breed. In view of all that, I hope the Minister will have no hesitation in revoking the Order. Rabbits, as I have said, are very prolific. They breed eight times in the year. The period of gestation is only 30 days. It is estimated that one rabbit will produce between 50 and 60 young ones in a year. Pennant, the great naturalist, has estimated that the progeny of one mother-rabbit in four years would be 1,274,840.

That is if they all lived.

In many countries rabbits have become a terrible plague. The Governments of Australia and New Zealand, as well as some Governments in European countries, pay a bounty for the destruction of rabbits. I think that for some years our own Minister for Agriculture paid a bounty of 3d. each for the destruction of rabbits. It is difficult, therefore, to understand why he should have changed his mind and made this prohibition Order.

The Minister for Lands is taking power in the Forestry Bill, which was before the House a few weeks ago, to enable him to go in on farmers' lands to destroy vermin, principally rabbits and hares. It is an extraordinary thing that anybody should have advised the Minister for Agriculture to make this prohibition Order. There is not a farmer in any part of the country, except in those parts where they have rabbit warrens, such as they have in parts of Kerry, that would not be delighted to pay a bounty out of his own pocket for the destruction of rabbits. I invite men to come on my land to trap, snare or shoot rabbits. The only obligation that I put on them is to close the burrows and the holes which, if left open, are likely to be a source of danger to valuable horses and cattle.

In the case of cereal crops, such as wheat or oats, rabbits do a terrible lot of destruction in the early spring and summer when the crops are growing. Later, when these crops are getting ripe, the fields are simply infested with rabbits. They go through the corn knocking it down and burrow here and there through the fields. Farmers know all these things and that is why they are very alarmed at the prohibition Order in relation to rabbits. They would give anything to have them completely wiped out. I think there is very little need to explain further why this Order should be revoked and I hope the Minister will not put the matter to the House but do the right thing and revoke the Order. It will be interesting to see what the Minister has to say in regard to the position and I do not want to challenge a division.

I second the motion. I think Senator Counihan has covered the grounds very fully and said all that can be said about it. Lest the Minister should have a trap set, I do not want to say very much until I have heard him.

Only that I do not want to bore the Seanad I would like to give them a little history about the rabbit question, and of what happened during the war. As the war developed, in Great Britain, which was the export market for rabbits, they set up organisations to deal with imports there. In 1941, an association called A.D.P.A.R., the initial letters of the wholesale distributors of poultry and rabbits, was set up in England and they declined to accept rabbits from individual exporters in this country and asked to have a central organisation set up here to do the exporting. Previously we had an organisation here known as Eggsports, Limited, who were dealing with the export of poultry and eggs and they undertook the export of rabbits also then. The price was fixed at a fairly good figure, much higher than was paid for rabbits pre-war, and the only condition laid down was that the rabbits would have to be sent over in good condition. Eggsports, Limited, who were doing the exporting of rabbits, found it extremely difficult to get rabbits out in good condition in summer months and in 1942, they asked me to make an Order. In the previous year, 1941, we went on with our exports and although they were big in that year only 10 per cent. of the amount sent out for the whole year went out during the five months May, June, July, August and September. Rabbit exports had been extremely high in that year, higher than they have been since and I mentioned the figure of 10 per cent. to show that there was no big natural export during those months.

In the following year they asked to have no exports sent out during May, June, July and August and that was done. In 1943 they asked to have September added; in 1944 it was the same, and in 1945 they asked to have April added. In fact, last year and this year again there was practically no export of rabbits between the end of March and the end of October, except in a few days. That is the position as regards the making of the Order prohibiting the export of rabbits during a certain period. I hear it said that there is a lot of rabbits in the country. There is no means of taking a census of rabbits, but if you take the export figures you will find that in 1941 the export was 229,000 cwts. and that the figure reduced every year until 1942, when it was 72,000 cwts. I take it that was an indication that the number of rabbits was getting less, but I have heard it being argued this year that the number of rabbits has increased in the country and that they seem to be very active. That may be so, but, on the whole, I think the number of rabbits must be somewhat less in recent years. The reason for this prohibition on the export of rabbits during a certain period was that we probably would have had a prohibition on the other side if we had not it here because it had been laid down as a condition that the rabbits should be sent out in good order.

I was in one of the rabbit packing stores before the Order was made. I heard Senators talk about having visited the bogs and that they were interested in what they saw, but I can tell them that if I took them down to the packing station for rabbits they would reject Senator Counihan's motion with ignominy, because they would not stand for rabbits going out from this country in the summer months when they were in such bad condition. Senator Counihan mentioned that we were paying a subsidy on rabbits before the war. We were, and the reason was that you will not get men to trap rabbits unless they get a good price, and if you do not get the rabbits trapped they will not be destroyed. Therefore, we must see that the price is good and we can only keep it good by sending out the rabbits in good condition. Rabbits will not go out in good condition in the summer, but only in the winter, and unless we keep up a good price the fact remains that the trappers will not work.

Rabbits are 2/- each in the market at the present time.

I was coming to that. Apart from this export business there was a certain market for rabbits during the summer. Recently at my own place I met a man with a rabbit. I was delighted to see the rabbit with him just as Senator Counihan would be, and I asked him what he was getting for it. He said he was getting 2/-. That was not a discouraging price at this time of year at any rate.

I think the Seanad will have to agree that in the first place it is better to prohibit the export of rabbits rather than have a prohibition Order put on by the British Ministry of Food if the rabbits were going over in a bad condition. Secondly, even if we were to take the risk it is better that we should get a good price for rabbits so that they will be trapped and that good prices will be obtained during the winter months, but certainly not for exports during the summer months. We have had the same end in view as Senator Counihan has—to get rid of the rabbits as best we can, and that is why the Order was made.

I will have to do my job on this matter. There are farmers anxious to see what support they will get on this. The Minister states he wants the rabbits in good condition, at the expense of the farmers of course. At the present time we are exporting veal and lamb to England and if that is going out in good condition I cannot see why rabbits could not also be sent out in good condition. Rabbits are packed in cases and each of them is left hanging after having been paunched. They are put into a box and properly packed. I cannot see any reason why they have not been exported during all these years, and at the present time, too, when food is so badly wanted in England. I cannot see why we should prohibit them for the sake of making a good thing for these poor Eggsports, Limited. I think that it is Eggsports, Limited, the Minister is thinking about. He is not thinking of all the injury that is being done to the farmers. It is his interest in Eggsports, Limited, that caused him to make this Order. He did not consult the farmers before he made the Order to ascertain their view and I protest against his failure to do so. I am putting the motion to the House and I hope it will approve of it. It is quite clear that the rabbits are causing destruction and I do not know why the Minister should, for the sake of making a good job for Eggsports, Limited, cause the farmers to be victimised.

May I ask Senator Counihan not to press this motion? He has opened our eyes to the possibility of a very important industry. He told us that a mother rabbit would produce in four years 1,250,000 rabbits. That number of rabbits at 2/- each would constitute the nucleus of an important industry. Think of all the skins we should have. Think of all the food we should have. I think that Senator Counihan has given the Minister food for thought, if not for actual consumption. Consequently, I appeal to him not to put the motion to a division. If he does, I shall vote against it.

May I point out that the body mentioned by Senator Counihan, Eggsports, Limited, cannot make a profit out of their business? They are not a trading body and cannot make profits. They are merely a committee for regulating matters.

I am always out for a compromise. Will the Minister promise to consider the question of not making the Order next year?

I consulted the Consultative Council on Poultry and Rabbits in connection with the Order and I shall consult them again next year.

Will you consult the farmers?

The farmers are represented on that council.

Senator Counihan said that he did not know why lamb and veal should be shipped when rabbits could not be shipped. Lamb and veal are not in the same category as rabbits. The great bulk of the rabbits would be young and would not be fit for shipping.

Then there should be prohibition of export for eight months of the year because there would be only four months in which they would be fit for shipping.

Rabbits are not examined by a veterinary surgeon before slaughter, as calves are.

I think that the motion is worthy of more serious consideration than it has received. A geat deal of damage is being done by the rabbits and I wonder if cold stores could not be utilised in this connection as they are utilised in most of the butchers' shops. If something on those lines was provided, it would meet the position and remove a grievance, particularly on the part of small farmers.

Motion, by leave, withdrawn.
The Seanad adjourned at 8.25 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Wednesday, 29th May, 1946.
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