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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 20 Jun 1963

Vol. 56 No. 13

Electricity (Supply) (Amendment) Bill, 1963: Second and Subsequent Stages.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The purpose of the Bill is to authorise the increase to £160 million of the existing statutory limit of £135 million on the capital expenditure which the Electricity Supply Board may incur for general purposes, that is to say, exclusive of capital expenditure on the electrification of rural areas.

At the 31st March, 1963, the actual capital expenditure of the Electricity Supply Board for general purposes was about £97 million. In addition, the Board had entered into commitments for the same purposes amounting to approximately £37 million. The total of £134 million covers expenditure already incurred and expenditure likely to be incurred on foot of present commitments up to 1968-69. It includes provision for 470 Megawatts of generating plant yet to be commissioned. It is expected that all this additional plant will have been commissioned by 1969 and the Board's generating capacity will then be 1289.5 Megawatts, of which 219 Megawatts will be hydro, 407.5 Megawatts peat-fired, 15 Megawatts fired by native coal and the remainder of 648 Megawatts fired by imported coal or oil.

The Board must plan system extensions well in advance, especially generating plant extensions. The Board must, in fact, be in a position to enter into commitments in the immediate future in respect of additional plant and equipment which will be required after 1969. As the total of the Board's expenditure and commitments is now approaching the limit of £135 million set by the Electricity (Supply) (Amendment) Act, 1962, which was passed in July, 1962, the authority of the Oireachtas to the raising of this limit to £160 million is now being sought.

It will be recalled that I said when moving the second reading of the 1962 Bill that the limit of £135 million was expected to cover the commitments likely to be entered into for the next two years or so. At that time the ESB were assuming an 8 per cent per annum rate of growth in the demand for electricity. The board are still working on an annual growth figure of 8 per cent long term but they have found that they must be equipped to deal in the short term with annual growth rates exceeding 10 per cent. For example, in the year to November, 1962, i.e. before the onset of the very bad weather, the growth rate was 10 per cent. To meet the load situation which would develop with an accelerated growth rate of that order the board have decided that three instead of two extra 60 megawatt generating sets must be installed at Ringsend thus bringing the capacity of that station in 1966-67 to 270 megawatts. Commitments in respect of the extra 60 megawatt set at that station, which must be entered into immediately, practically exhaust the board's authority to incur capital expenditure for general purposes and this explains why it is necessary to seek the approval of the Oireachtas to increase the limit at least a year earlier than had been expected.

On the basis of their forecast of a long-term rate of growth in the demand for electricity of 8 per cent per annum, the board expect that further capital investment amounting to about £27 million will arise for approval in the next three years. The construction of about 200 megawatts of additional generating capacity and large extensions of the transmission and distribution system are envisaged.

It is expected that all bogs suitable for economic development by present methods for power station fuel will be in production by about 1970. Power stations have already been sited on all the rivers capable of being developed economically for hydro electricity generation, and, while the collection of data on other water power resources is continuing, no significant additions to generating capacity can be expected from them. The possibility of using the indicated reserves of high ash coal, known as Crow Coal, in the Arigna area as fuel for an extension of the Arigna generating station is still under investigation but, in any event, the amount of additional generating capacity which could be based on the Arigna coalfield is insignificant in relation to future generating plant requirements. Unless, therefore, we should have the good fortune that adequate and economically workable reserves of oil or natural gas are discovered in the country, we must rely on imported conventional fuel or nuclear energy when that becomes economic to supply energy for new generating stations commissioned after 1970.

The ESB continue to watch developments in the application of nuclear power for electricity production, but so far conventional methods of generation are cheaper.

The unprecedentedly heavy demand for electricity experienced during the prolonged spell of severe weather last winter taxed the Board's generating system to the limit. It was only by calling on every available generating unit including the stand-by plant at the Pigeon House, which had to be worked well beyond its rated output, that the Board were able to maintain supply throughout this period. Early in February the peak load reached a high record level of 632 MW. The difficulty of maintaining supply was accentuated by the widespread damage to transmission and distribution lines caused by blizzards during this period. The extent to which the Board succeeded in maintaining the supply of electricity during this period was really an outstanding achievement and I am sure that Senators will agree that the Board's staff concerned are deserving of heartiest congratulations for the excellent services rendered by them.

Although it does not arise directly on this Bill, I should like to say a few words about the progress of rural electrification. The 1962 Act authorised an increase in the capital subsidy for the connection of rural houses to the electricity supply to 75 per cent of the capital cost, subject to a maximum of £75 for any one house, and authorised the Board to spend an extra £5 million on the scheme, bringing the total permitted expenditure on it to £37 million. A special grant of £90,000 was provided for "backbone" distribution lines in certain rural areas which it would otherwise be quite uneconomic to connect. The Board are now pressing forward with the completion of the initial scheme and expect that the development of all areas will be completed by June, 1964.

At the same time, the Board are putting into operation a further programme under which all, or nearly all, houses still without supply will be re-canvassed over the next few years and local post-development schemes to bring supply to all those now requiring it will be drawn up. It is a feature of the rural programme in its final phase that some houses now prepared to take supply, may have to wait awhile until the post-development scheme for their locality comes to be carried through, but this is inescapable if orderly progress, rather than haphazard individual connections, is to prevail and thus ensure the minimum capital expenditure on the work and, consequently, lower special service charges for those who have to pay them. It is expected that comparatively few people will have to be asked to pay special service charges of more than half their normal fixed charge.

The total number of consumers connected under the rural electrification scheme at a recent date was 271,763 which together with 14,370 consumers who had been connected before the rural areas were developed gives a total of 286,133 or approximately 72 per cent of all rural dwellings. The total capital cost of rural electrification to date is about £32 millions. On the basis of the present subsidy arrangements the Board can offer supply on reasonable terms to some 100,000 rural dwellings still unconnected. The Board expects that about 64,000 of these will accept supply during the next four years and that in due course some 96,000 will be connected bringing the total rural connections to about 96 per cent of all rural dwellings. This achievement compares very favourably with what has been achieved in many better-off European countries. The total estimated capital cost of connecting the 96,000 houses is £7 million or, on average, about £75 per house.

There are, however, some 12,000 houses or about 3 per cent of all rural dwellings which because of their isolated locations would be hopelessly uneconomic to connect. The total estimated capital cost of connecting these houses is £2½ million or an average of over £200 per house. While a subsidy of £75 per house is available in these cases very heavy special service charges cannot be avoided because of the inordinately high capital cost of connection. It will be appreciated that the cost of connecting these houses would be altogether out of proportion to any benefits to be conferred. The vast majority of these houses would be connected mainly if not wholly for lighting and cooking. These needs could in these cases be met in a reasonable way by alternative fuels and the initial cost would be insignificant compared to what it would cost to connect with the electricity supply. With this end in view the Government have made available a grant of £10 per house towards the installation of bottled gas for these houses.

Senators will, no doubt, have been struck by the magnitude of the capital investment in the electricity industry which will be required in the future, and by the rate at which it has increased. The maximum expenditure of the ESB for general purposes, i.e. excluding expenditure on the electrification of rural areas was set at £100 million by the Electricity (Supply) (Amendment) Act, 1954. In 1961, the figure was raised to £120 million, in 1962, to £135 million and it is expected that in three years' time the limit of £160 million now proposed will have to be raised again. The foregoing figures are exclusive of expenditure on the electrification of rural areas, which has to date cost between £32 million and £33 million. Increasing capital investment in the electricity industry is common to all countries and, indeed, the consumption of electricity in any country is a good measure of the degree to which that country has been economically developed. Of course, as I have already indicated, the Board's cash requirements lag considerably behind their commitments.

Re-investment of their depreciation funds at present provides about half the Board's annual capital requirements. For a number of years past, apart from rural subsidy totalling £5 million and minor receipts from other sources, the Board have obtained the remainder of their capital requirements direct from the public by the issue of stock guaranteed as to principal and interest by the Minister for Finance. Stock to a total of £27 million has been issued to date, including the successful issue of £7 million in March last. The eagerness with which the Board's capital issues have been taken up by the public is a measure of the public confidence in the organisation, a confidence which I feel sure is shared by this House.

I recommend the Bill to the House.

It is a great pleasure for me to find myself in agreement with this Bill, and supporting it. I remember the founding of the ESB, the initiation of the Shannon Scheme, and the debates that took place on it, particularly inside Dáil Éireann, but, indeed, outside it as well. This Bill is to enable the board to spend up to £160 million on general capital purposes, apart from another figure estimated at £32 million or £33 million for rural electrification. This Bill, I think, shows the wisdom and foresight of the people who initiated the Shannon Scheme, and started the ESB. They were friends of mine, and some were colleagues at University College, Dublin. The man who brought in the idea was actually a pupil of mine but not, I hasten to say, in electrical engineering.

The dismal wails of the people who opposed the initiation of the ESB have been falsified, as this Bill and every other Bill like it, and the whole history of the ESB amply prove. The predictions made as to its future development have been more than justified, and its founders have been justified. I should like to join with the Minister in thanking the staff of the ESB from the beginning, to date, both administrative and professional or engineering, for the work they have done to make the ESB what it has now become.

A few moments ago the Minister for Industry and Commerce was telling us seriously, in reply to Senator L'Estrange, that our industrial development started in 1932. This Bill is very cogent proof that that statement is not true. As a matter of fact, this was one of the pieces of machinery— I think the economists call it part of the infra-structure—which enabled industrial development to take place, apart from the fact that more than half of our imports were subject to tariffs by 1932.

However, the important point relevant to this Bill is that the generation of electricity for light and power in this manner was a very important contribution towards industrial development. But for that measure and other measures taken by the same people industrial progress would not have been possible. The Electricity Supply Board, founded at that time, in that way and with that opposition has been successful in paying its way generally. All the predictions about consumption that were made then— which I must say I thought, as a nontechnical person, would be very difficult to justify—have been more than justified and I suppose I myself should be thankful that, having seen the beginning of it, it should now fall to me nearly 40 years later to support a Bill to bring the capital expenditure for general purposes of the ESB up to a figure of £160 million. I support the Bill.

I wish to join in the welcome extended by Senator Hayes to this Bill. The Electricity Supply Board under the various Acts has done a very fine job of work over the entire country. The vast majority of the people are now served with electric power and the days of drudgery in their houses or in their farmyards are a thing of the past. However, it does appear to me that the great success of the ESB highlights the small measure of its failure here and now. When I speak of its failure, I refer to the failure of the Board to supply electric power to houses referred to by the Minister as isolated houses except on payment of a prohibitive special service charge.

That is a disgrace and when we are speaking here in terms of £160 million should we not go the whole way? I do not know whether I understood the Minister correctly or not but I think he said it would take £2 million to connect the remaining 12,000 houses or three per cent of the rural houses which at present are not connected. I make a sincere appeal to the Minister to think again about supplying these people living in isolated districts and some of them not so isolated. They see their neighbours getting a supply of electric power at normal rates while they are refused a supply unless they pay up to the equivalent of £200 per house.

The normal cost of servicing a house is £75; the extreme case the Minister takes, or maybe it is the average case of those which are not serviced, would be £200. Therefore, these people are asked to make an additional contribution of £125 per house notwithstanding that these people make their contribution as taxpayers to the rural electrification drive and notwithstanding the fact that they pay their rates and taxes the same as their neighbours.

This question of rural electrification should not be approached on an economic basis any more than the Department of Posts and Telegraphs should be approached on such a basis or any more than any other necessary service should be approached on the basis of whether it is economic to supply it or not. Looking at the overall picture, the country would get a good return for a couple of million pounds over a few years spent in supplying electric current to those people situated in inconvenient places. It would make these people happy on their holdings. It would do something to stem the flight from the land which is going on and about which the Government say from time to time nothing can be done.

Most of these people do not enjoy good roads into their houses. They have to go through lanes and again very little is done to repair those lanes or to help them to repair them. It is very hard to make a case for neglecting these people the way they have been neglected and I do not agree with the Minister when he says that power supplied to these people would be used entirely for cooking and heating. Most of them are progressive farmers and many of them would utilise a power supply in order to use farm machinery such as little corn mills, electric saws or appliances for heating houses for livestock, milking machines and various other things. At any rate, they get no encouragement to do it. It is a miserable approach by the ESB and the Minister both of whom in this field have done a good job otherwise.

We hear a lot about the tourist drive from time to time. I know one house situated in a lake district which caters for a goodly number of English fishermen each year. They have been refused a supply of electric current for that house unless—and I hope I am not correct—they pay a special service charge of about £40 a year. That is tantamount to saying to the man: "We shall not give you a supply of electric current." I think the country can stand this. It would be money well spent and it would show a good return.

I wish to join in welcoming this Bill and in doing so I should like to add my meed of praise to the staff of Bord Soláthair Leictreachais on the wonderful achievement and progress that the Board has made down through the years. I should like also to support the points raised by Seanator Fitzpatrick because they are worthy of consideration by the Board.

There is one point I should like to bring to the notice of the Minister and that is regarding the bimensal charges on rural households. These charges are calculated by the floor area of the house and we find in places in rural Ireland where the Land Commission have acquired estates and men have been allotted old mansions with 35 acres of land that some of these people are denied the services of this great national network. I would appeal to the Minister to consider introducing a maximum bimensal charge of, say, £2. It is extraordinary that one farmer may be getting a supply for around 14/-on a two-monthly charge, whereas his neighbour with, perhaps, less land and a far smaller income has to pay £4 or £5. There is no pleasure in having a huge house if you have not got the income to keep it in the old, almost regal, tradition. Therefore, when it comes to a farmer being allocated a Land Commission holding and being unlucky enough to be given the mansion as well, it is unfortunate that there cannot be special provision to give him the benefit of this great service.

I am glad that the rural electrification scheme has made so much progress. Since we are going to sanction the spending of £160 million I would appeal to the Minister to go the whole way and add the extra £2 million to supply all rural Ireland and give the people that extra comfort which will surely be inducive to keeping more people on the land.

Like other speakers, I welcome this Bill and I am grateful to the Minister for giving us the opportunity of saying a few words on rural electrification. While it does not directly arise, he was kind enough to introduce the matter and I feel he will not object if Senators wish to take advantage of that. We are pleased to see that a new survey is being made and houses or areas not connected already are likely to be connected in the near future. I assume that the Minister is referring to the more or less isolated areas but I wish to refer to an area which is within 15 miles of the city of Dublin where there are a number of cottages here and there in an area where there is already rural electrification. Some of these houses are a quarter of a mile or a couple of hundred yards from neighbours already connected but these people are asked to pay considerably increased charges if they wish to be connected. That is a situation which should be got over. In the same area, within the past 12 months, 15 Land Commission houses have been erected. Eight of them have been connected by the ESB and seven of them will be connected within the next month or so. I feel that it is a very good economic proposition for the ESB to get 15 new connections in such an area where rural electrification was introduced ten years ago; yet on the fringe of that area there may be two or three houses which they regard as uneconomic because they are a quarter of a mile or so from a house already connected. I fail to see any justification for that type of policy on the part of the ESB and while I can congratulate the ESB officials for many things they have done I cannot congratulate them on that.

That is a situation which deserves more appreciation than it is getting. I have seen returns sent to those people with reference to the scheme for the £10 grant for bottled gas. Most of those people have gas cookers installed and I fail to see why they would qualify for the £10. Anyway, to my mind bottled gas is a poor substitute for electric current and I would appeal to the Minister to have another look with the ESB officials at this and to give some consideration to borderline cases.

This Bill has been received in a very kindly way, for which I thank the House. There is not very much for me to say except to point out that while it is true that the ESB was founded a long time ago, and those who founded it showed initiative and vision, a great deal has happened since then and the Government of which I am a member have been responsible for initiating and developing, our peat bogs as a source of power for electricity. They also initiated the rural electrification scheme in 1946. Remarks have also been made to the effect that the ESB has paid its way since that date. The ESB is a very efficient and well-run organisation and, therefore, nothing I might say need detract from that, but of all the State companies it is the one which is nearest to a monopoly in certain respects and you have the combination of the privilege of near monopoly with very excellent management and first class service, with the result that the ESB has been able to pay the interest on its sinking fund and on the capital which it obtained by loan or raised itself.

The only question that was put to me was in regard to the borderline cases in regard to the rural electrification programme. It is impossible for any Government charged with enormous capital commitments to do a 100 per cent job in relation to any phase of economic, national or social development, and we decided it would be wrong to spend another £2½ million connecting 12,000 households—about 10 per cent of those unconnected—at an average cost of £200 each. We felt it would be equally wrong to impose on the urban consumer the obligation not only of subsidising the rural consumers to the tune of about £700,000 a year, as at present—that being the loss on rural electrification consumption—but also having to subsidise them to the tune of an additional £300,000—representing the additional annual loss that would be incurred by the ESB—even if we provided the subsidy of £2½ million.

The members of the House can recall a great many national development schemes in which there is some limit imposed for the sake of economy, such as, for example, land reclamation. Both Governments imposed some limit on the total cost of land reclamation in a given area. When it becomes totally uneconomic on any basis, that land reclamation scheme is turned down. Similarly, with the bog development grants awarded each year and the grants for accommodation roads in areas of high unemployment, there is a limit imposed in relation to the number of people who will benefit by the reclamation of the bogs and the number of people who will benefit by the repair of the road. Equally, there is a limit in regard to the grants made for industries, if, above a certain level, it is felt that it would be too much to ask the taxpayer to contribute for the kind of industries that might be drawn to the country. If the grant were made tremendously high, it might not result in the right kind of industry. So one can look through the whole field of national development and discover that there is a lack of 100 per cent protectionism in regard to grants because of the immense capital commitments of the Government. I do think that if we can secure a 96 per cent connection within the next five or ten years we will be doing very well having regard to the economic conditions of the country.

I cannot help saying at this juncture that all subsidies for rural electrification were withdrawn in 1955 and only restored in 1958. The resulting extra amount paid by the Electricity Supply Board each year as a result of that was something between £500,000 and £600,000 a year and that has not helped us in regard to making this final decision. However, I am glad, in any event, to see that the House is in agreement with the general objectives of the Bill and I hope that the increase in consumption of electricity will continue because, as I said already, it is a sign of economic progress. The very great increase of 10 per cent in a full year, just before the bad weather, illustrates that we are beginning to make economic progress, even if all of us would like to make it more than we are doing at the present time.

With your permission, I should like to ask a question. I understand that the Electricity Supply Board have a system of two separate charges, a meter rent charge and a charge for the power used. The view is held that the charges should be made purely on the Electricity Supply Board power used by the consumer and that there should be no meter rent charge. I am anxious to know if the Minister has any power in the matter. Is it a ministerial matter?

The normal domestic meter rent is 1/9d. for two months and this charge is barely sufficient to meet interest on sinking fund charges and the capital involved over a period of 25 years. It contains no provision for replacement costs. As I understand it, domestic consumers are only paying meter rent if they are on a flat rate of charge and they do not pay service charges. There are very few of them— about 5,000 in the Dublin area. There are other consumers who have a meter rate. They have a second meter installed. There are about 1,000 of these. I have been asked this question before and people are very often surprised to see this sum on their ESB bill. Quite naturally, they have the impression that some sort of extra profit is being tacked on whereas I have the assurance of the ESB that there is no extra profit. Whatever meter rents are charged just pay for the bare interest on the sinking fund and the capital.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
Bill put through Committee, reported without amendment, received for final consideration and passed.
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