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Seanad Éireann debate -
Friday, 3 Aug 1973

Vol. 75 No. 10

Finance Bill, 1973 (Certified Money Bill): Second Stage (Resumed).

I said last night there are many good points in this budget. At the same time, it is necessary to point out that the budget fails miserably to implement many of the promises contained in the 14-point pamphlet which was issued by the Coalition before the general election. I freely admit that in the present Government there are many very intelligent men. Many of them are experts in their own field but, collectively, I feel that they are not fit to deliver the goods and this budget will in time show that. The people as a whole are fairly intelligent. They have long memories. These promises were made quite recently. Everybody knows that prices have skyrocketed; every day in the newspapers there are reports of new price rises. No amount of talk from the Government Benches and no amount of promises, without the delivery of the goods, will satisfy the people or convince them that the Government have not failed miserably to implement what they said when in Opposition, would be an easy thing to do, namely control prices and keep prices down to a certain level.

I am not one who will try to force the Government out of office. I believe that, if they are given sufficient time, they themselves will be the instruments of their own downfall. Government is a very serious thing and people who aspire to office in Government should be reasonably serious in the statements they make. As I said, I make allowances for some rather extravagant speeches but, at the same time, when people assume Government they should get down to brass tacks and, when making promises, they should ensure that, if at all possible, the promises are honoured.

We, on this side of the House, and also the general public, will be keeping a sharp eye on what is happening. We handed over to this Government a country in reasonably good shape. The financial position was sound. We handed over at a time when there was a windfall of some £30 million from the EEC because subsidies were being removed. These have been used to augment social services. But the benefits gained by increased social services are immediately eaten up by the increases in taxation. Quite a lot of this windfall as a result of a saving on subsidies should have been given to the farmers because, despite the many rumours, and the many articles written by economists, the majority of the farmers are not in the secure financial position that they are said to be in. It takes a great deal of capital to set up a farmer in business.

I admit that, if a farmer realises his assets, he could find himself wealthy; but he is a person who must be encouraged to stay in farming because most of our industries are based on the farming community and on their output. The Government will have to ensure that capital is made available one way or another so that the farmer will be able to get it at a reasonably low interest rate. We know what has happened recently as far as interest rates are concerned. All these things have an adverse effect on the farming community, despite the clamour people raised because they felt farmers were doing reasonably well over the last few years with increases in milk and beef prices. But those profits will be frittered away if the Government are not able to ensure that capital is available to enable the farmer to get low interest rates and increase his output. In that way the country will become richer.

It has been our policy all along to try and ensure that each budget is used as an instrument to stimulate the economy to ensure that the country will be in a better financial position at the end of the following year so that we can distribute any profits accruing to the social services. I would always try to provide moneys out of the Exchequer to ensure that the disabled, the mentally handicapped and other people in our society who are unable to fend for themselves would be treated generously and have some little comfort. I do not think any able-bodied person would begrudge paying a fair share to ensure that this was possible.

There are some good points in the Bill out I should like to remind the Government that we on this side of the House and people in general will keep a sharp eye on what is happening. We will not engage in personalities but we will be very critical of the Government's efforts to ensure that the country will be in a better financial position. Our party will be an informed Opposition who will keep the Government on their toes and we will remind them of their election promises in their 14-point programme. If they do not live up to them we will ask them to go to the country and answer for their mistakes.

I want to join with other Senators in making it clear that I do not expect miracles from a Government who have been in office for a few months only. For that reason I certainly will not attempt to make a general criticism of that period in office because it would be unfair to do so. There are things that physically cannot be done by any Government unless they have time to make plans and, in the physical way, carry out those plans.

There are certain declarations of intent which the Government have made clear. I think they would just as soon be judged on those declarations now. I sincerely believe that this Government will need all the help they can get before they conclude their term of office, whenever that may be. I suspect that throughout Senator Lenihan's speech there ran a thread of relief—I am sure he is sorry he is not in office and that he misses being in office—at not being in Government at present. It must be a very frightening experience to be in our kind of financially and economically exposed society with so little real power to do anything about the very grave economic problems with which the Government are faced, many of them through no fault of their own. Outside influences of one kind or another are now tossing us around like a cork in a sea of turbulent economics with which more powerful countries than ours are finding it impossible to cope.

The Minister for Finance returned yesterday from the United States after playing his tiny part there. Please God we will not get ideas of grandeur about the role we play in the reorganisation of international monetary control which we appear to have got over our position in the Common Market. There he must have met all the other great countries— France, Germany, Britain, and the United States—who all find themselves in conditions of unequalled stress because of the sophistication of our economies and, as Senator Lenihan mentioned briefly, the extraordinary changes since the 1950s, only 20 years ago when, as he said, if you controlled food prices you controlled the economy. That is no longer true because the needs of society have altered so much. Therefore, the controls of societies of these kinds no longer answers to the old panaceas which we had.

In ways it was very worrying to hear the Taoiseach last night in his very down-to-earth—as is his manner —and blow-by-blow account of this Finance Bill and an explanation of its contents, all signifying nothing. This Finance Bill will not interfere to any great extent with the serious financial situation facing this country at present. In fact, the whole repetitious nature of a sort of devant vu, the sort of experience that: “I have been here before” was completed when Senator Dolan made, practically word for word, the first speech I ever heard the late Seán Lemass make—a very fine speech, indeed, in the time of the first Coalition in 1947-1948 or whenever it was. He made a very courageous speech saying: “We have handed over the economy in a very sound condition. See that you hand it back in that way,” and so on. The whole thing has gone on and on and, of course, answering nothing.

This idea of an annual budget, the idea of the paternalistic hand-out, should be transferred to 25th December. The Minister for Finance could come in here in a long red cloak and white beard and play Santa Claus. It is just as irreverent. It used to be 2/6d. It is £1 now or £2 or whatever it is in a devalued currency. It is the same thing: tous c'est change, tous c'est le meme chose, nothing changes. There was a time when it did not matter very much because one solved one's problems simply by telling them to emigrate. That was your problem. You gave a puff here and a clamp down there, a dampener to the economy, and they answered to the reins. That is no longer so; things are much more serious than that.

I was sorry the Taoiseach did not take the opportunity last night which the Minister for Finance probably did not have, even as short a time ago as the introduction of the budget, to re-assure a very worried society at the very frightening price changes and the price rises. This is not playing politics. It is much too serious for that. The Fianna Fáil Government would not be in any different condition if they were in office. There is a general feeling abroad that the economy is out of control, that the members of the Cabinet are for the most part sincere men of integrity who would like to control the economy but they cannot and we will all suffer greatly on this account. This is the issue which brought down the last Government, and was used by the Opposition to bring them down. They were not controlling prices and people were frightened by the increasing spiral in prices. Their wages were not meeting up to the decline in the value of money and they were crushed between these two inexorable forces.

They hoped the change of Government would end their suffering but it has not done so. In fact, the price rises appear to have become even more dramatic than they were. The reason for this is that there has been a change of Government but there has been no change of policy. Fundamental policies are exactly the same. The various hand-outs we have got are, perhaps, marginally better but, as Senator Lenihan stated last night, this budget was framed in the context of the Presidential election. It reminded me of the famous Watergate committee to elect the President. In this case we had a Cabinet using public funds in order to try to sweep the electorate into electing their candidate and this failed. It had all that aura as far as I was concerned, everybody getting a little so that very few felt aggrieved. That is all water under the bridge now and because the Government are apparently not able to control prices all of the concessions, even if they were reasonable at that time, are now completely eroded and might as well never have been given, particularly those granted to the social welfare classes such as old age pensioners, widows and people receiving children's allowances.

For that reason I ask the Government to try to give us some kind of assurance that they know the answers to the dangerous problems with which we are faced at present. As Senator Lenihan made clear last night, the two main parties enticed us into what is now accepted as the Common Market. There was a united front on this. We in the Labour Party were the only people who fought, mainly through the magnificent campaign speeches of Deputy Keating, the Minister for Industry and Commerce, against entering the Common Market. But we were overwhelmed, there was collaboration of radio, television, newspapers and so on and we were deluged and we were swept into the Common Market.

You might have done better if you had less suspicious allies.

Yes maybe that is true but it is poor consolation now. There is one person who, unfortunately, is not present in this House, without any disrespect to the Parliamentary Secretary, to answer some of the questions that must be put about the Common Market and that, of course, is Deputy Garret FitzGerald, who acted as a one-man PRO for this whole enterprise and who swept us into the Common Market by the dint of his remarkable eloquence and misguided enthusiasm. In some ways I am sorry he will not be here to answer, as the months pass, for some of the cases he made—the price of food falling, the standard of living rising, et cetera. In other ways, I am delighted that the Taoiseach sent Deputy FitzGerald into permanent orbit around Brussels, thank God, rather than Leinster House where he would, no doubt, continue to mislead us on economic matters were he to spend an undue amount of time here.

We were told there was an answer to this prices question. Deputy Keating frequently said it was inevitable that prices would rise because of the high cost of raw material, of high food costs, consequential high wages and salaries, the in-put into our industry and agriculture. We were assured there was no problem and that it would not greatly discommode the people, that they would not suffer, that there would not be uncontrolled inflation because there was a ready answer to it.

I should like to know what is the answer. Were we right to enter the Common Market? Denmark which was an enthusiastic proponent of the Common Market showed in a recent survey that 46 per cent of the population would like to get out if they had their way. I am sorry about going back on these 14 points but I intend dealing with only two of them so that is not unfair. This one immediately introduced strict price control.

This document was prepared when the present Minister for Foreign Affairs believed he would be appointed Minister for Finance. There was to be strict price control. This was put out under the name of the Taoiseach and with the consent of the present Minister for Finance. Was it a deliberate attempt to mislead the electorate or was it unintentional? Were they misinformed? If they allowed themselves to be misinformed, are they people who should be in charge of the economy of the country at the present time? If they so misjudged the inevitable consequences of going into the Common Market, are they the right people now to be determining——

Would not the same apply to Fianna Fáil?

Yes. You are both in the same camp so far as I am concerned.

I would remind the Parliamentary Secretary that rhetorical questions should not be answered.

Please do not think I am taking sides in this. I am outside both parties because I think both were mistaken. Time will show that you were both mistaken. I do not think that Fianna Fáil promised to introduce immediately strict price control. From external and internal evidence it appears that we have made an appalling error of judgment in going into the Common Market. We are in the company—some would doubt whether it is good—of the British who are now finding much the same thing. I expect that most people saw the headline in The Sunday Times“Europe a Disaster for Britain say Top Civil Servants”, a disaster for Britain. There are many people here now who are beginning to believe that it is also a disaster for Ireland. The adage that Britain's misfortune is Ireland's opportunity is no longer valid. We are very much in the same sterling boat. If she goes—and it looks as if Heath will go—we are all in a very serious position, indeed, not because of the going of Heath.

What action has the Taoiseach in mind between now and the next session of the Oireachtas to control prices? In the light of our experience in the EEC, do they intend to again follow the advice given by the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Garrett FitzGerald, that we should carry on with this proposal of an economic monetary union by 1980 in which all our currencies will be linked and in which there will be budgetary policies, greater integration of States and national economies, further erosion into our sovereignty, and when we will be under the complete control of non-elected bureaucrats in Brussels? Nobody, of course, takes seriously the idea that there can be serious democracy in the Common Market. They will not permit it. We will find ourselves manipulated in the interests of the protection of the mark or the franc, the lira or some other currency if it suits the bureaucrats in Brussels quite irrespective of the interests of the unfortunate, tiny little island out here on the periphery with little or no power and little or no authority in the decisions taken.

Recently we saw even the suggestion that we might have regional help under the regional policy scheme and the figure now mentioned is something like 3.9 per cent of £100 million over a three-year period which is, of course, peanuts in the present context of rapidly depreciating currency values. Perhaps the Parliamentary Secretary could tell us in his reply what are the benefits from the EEC. Any farmer who thinks he is going to live in pleasant isolation in rural Ireland and not eventually feel the full effects of the economic hurricane which is going to strike the rest of us is living in a fools' paradise. We are all affected by this. Cattle prices will be affected because of the cost of feed. Everybody must know that you cannot live in isolation in an economy such as ours. What is the answer? Are we to continue with the proposal for the creation of an economic and monetary union with all its further dreadful implications?

There is a possible way out for the Government and for their one-time spokesman on economic matters, the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy FitzGerald, or, perhaps, the Taoiseach might deal with it. While we got this undertaking here in the 14-point National Coalition programme immediately introducing strict price control we had a document in which, at the same time, an undertaking was given to certain leaders of business, to the public, to a number of members of the banking and industrial fraternity by Deputy Garret FitzGerald that there would only be price control for a limited period. What is the position about that document? Was such an undertaking given? Was an undertaking of this kind given at the same time as the public were with complete and total cynicism told that the new Government would impose strict price control? Was that undertaking given by Deputy Garret FitzGerald with the authority of the Taoiseach? If it was given by Deputy Garret FitzGerald, surely it is a most serious reflection on his integrity and credibility.

You said the Government were composed of men of integrity.

That is why I am putting the question to the Taoiseach whether he would verify or not this document. If he is unable to verify it, if he denies or contradicts this document, then what I said in the beginning is true. I am looking for further information. I may have been wrong when I said it was a Government of integrity. It may not be. When the Taoiseach replies he will be able to clear up that point for us because it is then quite clear that this belief that prices could be controlled was not simply an act of blatant ignorance on the part of the then spokesman on financial matters, Deputy FitzGerald, but a very conscious and very deliberate attempt to mislead the public for the purposes of gaining office. For that reason it is a particularly contemptible behaviour pattern by people in democratic politics here.

Since the imposition of strict price control, of course, there has been virtually no effective control of prices. In political terms I have no doubts whatever but that this Government will not control the position and will eventually come to answer for its failure, probably on prices. Of all the things that are likely to bring down this Government I think it is more than likely its failure on prices, not simply on prices but the implications of uncontrolled prices in any economy and particularly in an economy such as ours. I would be sorry in some ways because, curiously enough, I believe if the Coalition goes out this time it will go out for ever. I will not deal with that point now because it would be out of order for me to do so, but it is my belief that a certain kind of coaltion is a desirable alternative to one-party rule provided by the alternative party, Fianna Fáil, over the years. I share Senator Lenihan's belief that a change of Government is desirable in what is called a democratic society.

Just as sending Deputy Garret FitzGerald into permanent orbit around Brussels was a very clever idea by the Taoiseach, I consider the decision to send the unfortunate Deputy Keating into Industry and Commerce was a particularly clever idea, too. As an old comrade of his— both, I hope, revolutionary socialists and Marxists—I feel very sad to see this pathetic person now attempting to do what he has told us, in his own clear-headed, precise, wonderfully argued, way with that Swiss-watch mind he has, that you cannot do: control prices. To dump him in to carry out the impossible, to do the impossible—as I said somewhere, the political Canute of Irish public life—to indulge in all his prevarications and his "I must stand back from that""I must give this a little thought""I must look into that" but, inevitably, the Prices Advisory Body says: "Up go the prices", and Deputy Keating is left holding the baby.

I would ask the Senator to refer to Members of the Government by title, as is the custom.

Yes, I shall do that with pleasure, the Minister for Industry and Commerce. Up go the prices, as he told us the prices would go up. I have considerable respect for the Taoiseach. I have known him for many years. I have regard for his integrity, too, if that is any help to him and to Senator FitzGerald. One cannot help feeling that he also saw his Deputy Keating, the the bus passenger, the train passenger, Minister for Industry and Commerce, coming and he has taken what steps he can to see that when he goes he will go for good. That is sad from my point of view, because I dislike to see a good socialist being rendered completely powerless as I suspect the Minister for Industry and Commerce will be as a result of his spell in this particular Coalition.

I think Senator Lenihan was correct about the implausibility of the proposal about food subsidies in a situation such as this, but I do not think it applies to fares. I also share the astonishment of the general public at the recent decision by the Minister for Industry and Commerce not only to increase the various prices, which about a month prior to that he had fixed forever according to the headlines in the papers well disposed to him, but in relation to CIE fares increases. He not only gave what was recommended but further increased the amount by which the fares could be increased. The purpose of this was to reduce the subvention or subsidy from the Government to CIE by making the consumer pay, by making the bus and train passengers pay.

The ordinary person and the ordinary worker who uses public transport must pay. There could not be a more typical member of the ordinary public than the person that uses public transport. He must pay rather than give a subsidy which could be taken from the wealthy person in the form of a really just taxation system. No attempt has been made in the Finance Bill to give us any indication that there is a real concern for distributive justice implicit in the famous Just Society document, which we associate with Deputy Declan Costello, the Attorney General. Again that was another very clever decision by the Taoiseach, to send him down to the Law Library to preach social justice.

The Just Society can only be achieved by effective redistribution of wealth, doing something to take some of the 75 per cent of the wealth owned by the wealthy 5 per cent and handing it across in the form of subsidies—for instance, in the case of the bus fares. This Government have chosen to take the simplest, gentlest, lowest income sector of the whole community and tell them they must pay for themselves. There is no attempt to reach into the pockets of the wealthy, of which we have many, to help pay for the increased bus fares, which are already particularly high.

At the same time the Government continue the policy of Fianna Fáil, the particularly reprehensible policy of their predecessor Minister for Finance, whereby we find that all of the post tax profits, which went up as a result of tax remissions made by Deputy Colley when Minister for Finance, have further increased and no attempt has been made by the Government to deal with that. This is a completely scandalous decision at a time when we are, apparently, according to all of these people when introducing their budgets, hard up, with money hard to find. No attempt is being made to reach into the pockets of these people. I gave the figures recently in another debate—profits up by 53 per cent, 63 per cent, 30 per cent, 40 per cent of the various companies, industries and banks, all in one year.

Prices all round are going up. Fares, clothes, food, services up and up and up, apparently uncontrollably. The only other thing going up as well is profits. This is really where the Government are in trouble, because these increasing prices must be fed into the economy. This is where I have always found myself in conflict with my fellow Senator trade union officials who did not seem to accept that, in a situation of this kind, where it appears that the worker is to be subjected to the exploitation of high prices because of the necessity to provide profits at an increasingly lower level of tax, the answer was simply to declare war on a Government of that kind and for the trade union men to declare war on a Government of that kind on behalf of their members.

Let the Government defend the wealthy few if they wish to; that is their business. Equally it is the business of the trade union official to defend the interests of the mass of the workers against the selfishness and greed of these people who continually demand more and more from our society at the expense and hardship imposed on ordinary people by badly-run industry, feather-bedded and protected by successive Governments. They are allowed to exploit a captive consumer unmercifully without any serious control. The only person now between them and their exploitation is the trade union leader. The politicians have all deferred their responsibility to the worker—all of them including my own party, I regret to say.

Except yourself.

All right, all right. If the Senator wants to make it appear like that, thank you for the compliment. It is quite shocking to see the attitude of Deputy Tully, the Minister for Local Government, to the building societies, the most inefficient enterprises in our society. There are 14 or 15 of them all with rigged fixation of rates, a multiplicity of inefficient bureaucracies, not providing the service which they are allowed to do in our economy. They are grossly more inefficient than the similar people in Britain, and God knows they are not efficient.

Their advertising costs something in the region of half a million pounds— £360,000 or something like that, yet they pretend they are competing. They are not competing at all. It is a complete fraud, for which we pay. Unfortunately, young people getting married have to pay exorbitant interest rates in our free economy. But, piling insult on agony, the Minister for Local Government now reaches into the taxpayers pocket, into the pocket of the unfortunate bus and train passenger— ordinary workers—and pilfers his pocket in order to hand over to these building societies a subsidy to keep them afloat.

What has happened to private enterprise here? I have heard about it for so long. It does not want any Government interference, it is well able to manage its own affairs. The profits are always extravagantly high in the building industry. It is quite scandalous that people should make money out of providing housing for people. It should be an exclusive Government enterprise. But when the building societies find that the profits are not quite what they want, then they turn whining to the Government and ask for help. When the help is given, it is our money that is given. Do we get it back when they make profits which they think are sufficient? They get relief of tax on mortgages. Then they get this further subvention from the Government, in this disgraceful decision by the Minister for Local Government. Instead of taking the building societies into public ownership and nationalising them—as is, of course, Labour Party policy, although it is no good talking about that now—they are being helped to continue to plunder again part of the weakest section of the community, the most deserving section of the community: the young married couples trying to buy houses.

Uncontrolled private enterprise, this is the policy running the whole way through this document, the Finance Bill. The State should provide the finance for house building and eliminate the whole profit margin and profit motive from the building of houses. I will not delay the House by giving the figures of the moneys paid to management, the cost of advertising, et cetera—12 per cent of the total income is paid to management in these enterprises.

The Government will not be protected from the nemesis mentioned by Senator Lenihan. His was a different one. It appears in the form of the national wage agreement. I do not care what the trade union officials try to do. No matter to what extent they are misled or to what extent they attempt to mislead the workers into accepting a national wage agreement, this kind of uncontrolled price spiralling fed into the economy would make nonsense of any wage agreement signed by anybody on behalf of the workers. Although it is possible to get a national wage agreement, unless there are in-built provisions for a three-monthly review of wages, or even shorter, then I doubt if such an agreement could be held.

Fortunately for the workers, the timing and the obvious uncontrolled nature of prices and the failure of the famous Keating stroke of a pen—"Prices will now stop rising", which, of course, they did not—has been seen by the workers. They know this when they cannot pay their train or bus fares, when they cannot pay for bread, butter, tea, sugar, clothes, services. The worker knows they cannot deliver the goods. I think the Government know that the trade union official will not find it too easy to deliver the goods either in a form of agreement on behalf of his members unless it is a particularly generous agreement—a 40 or 50 per cent increase over the last agreement.

It is good enough for the banks, for the directors of the banks. I read out Deputy Ryan's wonderful figure of 63 per cent. Jim Larkin once said: "Nothing is too good for the working classes" when he was criticised for smoking a cigar or something. If 63 per cent is good enough for the directors of the banks, it is good enough for the workers, or higher. As Connolly said: "We simply want the earth." That is what they should work for.

In passing, the Taoiseach referred to the fiscal policy in relation to mining, that it is being considered at the present time. I should like him to tell us something about what has now become widely accepted as the great mine robbery in Ireland. In 1969 we took £503,000 from the operation of the mines—not the fault of the present Government yet. In 1970, £468,000 and in 1971, £219,000—a decreasing amount being taken from our mines. Most of the prospecting licences are held by outsiders, sometimes with a nominal Irish shareholder. All but 22 out of 829 prospecting licences are held by foreign controlled companies. Would the Taoiseach please deal with this matter of the mines?

I was touched by the recent burst of revolutionary Marxist-Leninist scientific socialism of the Minister for Industry and Commerce when he nationalised the Ardmore Film Studios. Was the figure £300,000 or was it £30,000? He must have felt ten feet tall that day. At last he had got something past them when they were not looking. Could I suggest to the Taoiseach that he applies his attention to the question of the mines?

I am astonished, and in some ways not, I suppose, at the complete failure of our community who appear to fail to understand what has happened in the last ten or 15 years, and that is that the great case handed up to me over the years as to why we could not have anything—health, education, care of the aged, et cetera—is no longer true. But nobody appears to know this is no longer true. We are now per head of the population one of the really wealthy countries. I do not know if you know Libya. It was a strip of desert. It is something like Libya, which had dreadful poverty and destitution and suddenly they found that they were sitting on an enormous oil-well and now they are one of the wealthiest countries in the Middle East, and that is saying something. This has happened in Ireland and nobody seems to know, and what is worse, nobody except the people who own the mines seems to care. Why is this so?

The only hope I have is that the Government are intelligent people, that they like power and would like to stay where they are, and that they must know that they cannot control the economy, that it is out of control and that if they go out with an uncontrollable economy they will never come back. This is a simple truth that all of us as politicians know: it is this avarice, this greed for power—it is perfectly reasonable, I am not complaining about it at all—that is my only hope.

There is enormous wealth here in our mines. Let me give a short list. We now possess the largest zinc lead mines in the world, which is in Navan. We have the largest underground zinc mine in Europe at Silvermines, the largest producing lead mine in Europe at Tynagh, the fifth largest mercury mine in the world and the most profitable mercury by-products mined at Gortdrum, one of the most important sources of magnesite in Europe and the most profitable barytes deposit in the world.

This is the poor country—astronomical wealth is available to our people. We hear very little about the democratic programme that the land of Ireland belongs to the people of Ireland: this wealth does not belong to the people of Ireland. It will not belong to the people of Ireland unless the Taoiseach does something about it. My only hope is that the position will be so bad for them that they will decide to nationalise these mines. They can take them into public ownership. They can blame Marx or Lenin and their nasty socialism. If they do not take them into public ownership they might decide that they will insist on royalties, what would be considered extravagant royalties by their predecessors because they, of course, handed over this wonderful wealth. I saw on television that we had built a railway to cart the damned stuff out of the country for them. Then we have Tynagh mines. This is an enormous scandal.

I would remind the Senator that as long as he talks about sources of taxation he is in order but advocation of the nationalisation of the mines is beyond the scope of the debate.

Thank you, but I shall not dwell on that point. It is rather like the dreadful calamities during the war when Hiroshima or Hamburg were bombed: people just did not seem to be able to grasp the enormity of the tragedies of those times when 100,000 people were killed. In this case we seem to have the same block. Is it a genuine block or is it a deliberate block that this money is there and that the problems of health, education, care and old age and the wonderful amenities we want for our people are all at our disposal in our country in the most natural way in the world and that is in our natural mineral wealth?

The Taoiseach did talk about the fiscal policy in relation to the mines. If he will not take them into public ownership—and I suspect he will not—the question arises as to the royalties. The 9 per cent royalties and 20 years tax free concession by Deputy Charles Haughey when in office, was quite scandalous. I have heard of 60:40, 40 for the people and 60 going to the mining companies. Would the Taoiseach consider, in his final decision on this matter, increasing the ratio to the very maximum of 95 per cent? There is a precedent for this in an oil find in Florida. Would this help Senators to understand the enormity of the wealth that is there? Even if the company are only given 5 per cent of the takings in, say, Navan they still make an enormous amount of money. They would gladly take it for that if they are forced to take it for that.

Having solved the Government's financial problems for them, I would seriously ask the Taoiseach to call a halt to the great mine robbery and on our behalf and on behalf of the people to have the courage—because courage is needed naturally—to change in a radical way—certainly it would be radical for him—to turn away from the very wealthy, the people who already have so much and turn his own attention and that of his Government to the great problems of the unfortunate ordinary public in the very frightening financial economic position that they all face, in the months ahead —not even the years ahead—unless serious steps are taken by the Government.

I had intended to deal with the problem of the declaration of the housing emergency and the absurdity of the suggestion that by increasing your housing output from 23,500 to 25,000 —and I think that was Deputy Molloy's figure—we would solve the problem.

The Taoiseach and his Government do not appear to have the capacity to deal with the problem which originates in many cases outside their control. At the same time, the Taoiseach and most of the Fine Gael Ministers at any rate, as did the Opposition, told us that we could safely go into the Common Market. We were told that we could go into the Common Market and prosper. The Taoiseach owes it to the very frightened community now, before the Seanad adjourns for the summer recess, to reassure them that they really know how they are going to control the economy in the months ahead.

This Finance Bill now under discussion is a very elaborate and complicated Bill. It must be the longest Finance Bill that we have ever had before us with its 98 sections and 11 schedules. Yet, in spite of this complexity and, certainly, the complexity of some of the sections, which baffle my imagination at any rate, it does in many ways fail to meet the real needs of the country.

The Taoiseach in his introductory speech listed three main national problems with which the budget intended to deal. Two of these are the very directly related problems of unemployment and the rise in gross national product and national income. The two go together. This budget, particularly with respect to the capital programme which the Government had the wisdom to take over unchanged from the previous Government, should do something to help in these respects. The budget, in other ways, may reduce the possibility of increasing the cost-of-living and increasing the number at work. Other aspects of the budget may counteract some of the good which has been done.

The greatest single failure in the budget is the third aim mentioned by the Taoiseach, the problem of inflation. He mentions this as a problem which needs to be dealt with but that is the last reference to it. That is not surprising because this is, in most respects, a completely inflationary budget. A large number of its provisions would seem to have been almost guaranteed, almost intended, to increase the dangers of inflation in our conditions.

However, there are matters which one can welcome, in particular, the social welfare charges. We all welcome these and are happy that it has been possible in 1973 to carry these out. They should do a great deal to help the poorer sections of the population. I suppose it is hardly necessary to mention again—it has been mentioned very often both in the other House and here—that these social welfare improvements were first mentioned to the public well over a year ago during the referendum campaign before our entry into the European Economic Communities.

It is amusing to listen to Senators opposite, Members of the Labour Party, welcoming these welfare changes when one considers that over a period of months many of them, perhaps all of them, were urging the people of Ireland not to join the EEC. It is directly as a result of our entry into the EEC that these changes have become possible.

The Minister for Finance in introducing the budget in the Dáil appreciated, as a good politician, that he was faced with the problem that it is not very easy to claim these considerable social welfare improvements as an achievement of his own, or of this present Coalition Government, in view of the fact that Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael, over a year ago, had pointed out to the electorate in the referendum campaign that these benefits would be available on our entry into the EEC. The Minister sought to avoid this problem by saying in his budget speech, as he put it in his colourful way, that the so-called EEC savings had been sunk without trace in a sea of inflation. Later on, in the debate in the Dáil on 13th June, column 405 of the Official Report, he produced the colourful information that "the Fianna Fáil Party had made off with £29 million, misapplied and misspent, before this Government took office".

One has visions of a great train robbery on a gigantic scale. Of course, the trouble with the Minister for Finance's off-the-cuff pronouncements of this kind is that they do not always tally with what he has, and reads out, from his Civil Service brief. We had this £29 million which Fianna Fáil misapplied, misspent and made off with before there ever was an election. Yet we find in his budget speech, at column 1244 of the official Report, having listed the various savings on the agricultural estimates as a result of our entry into the EEC, he said:

In sum, taking account of the items I have mentioned, the net Exchequer gain on the current budget in 1973-74 from EEC membership is estimated to be of the order of £29 million.

This £29 million, which had been misapplied and misspent by Fianna Fáil, reappears in his official brief which he read out in the course of his budget statement.

Nonetheless, we certainly welcome the appearance in the budget of these social welfare changes as we also welcome the rather limited reliefs in death duties, reliefs which were considerably lessened in their usefulness by the unwise decision to double the succession and legacy duties. There are also in the budget a number of changes, mostly very minor, in tax law. I have already mentioned some of these sections of a quite incredible complexity.

Amidst all of this verbiage in this very long Bill, there are, alas, only minor improvements in income tax allowances, and no change at all in basic rates. Most of the remainder of the Bill lists, section after section, and part after part, at unprecedented length, increased taxes. We had the increased taxes on VAT which I will deal with later, bringing in £5 million extra to the Government in a full year; taxes on alcohol, tobacco and on almost everything relating to motor cars. These taxes relate, not merely to cars but to driving licences, and a new tax is to be levied the first time a car is taxed. There are also increased fees for driving tests.

We had very stiff increases, not in the budget but as part of the budgetary programme, in post office and telephone charges. In the last couple of days, as a sort of supplementary budget for the benefit of the Irish public, we had this extraordinary business of the CIE rises. As Senator Browne has already pointed out, we had the extraordinary situation of the Government, instead of as one would expect, accepting the recommendations of the National Prices Commission or even cutting down on the rises allowed by them, rejecting them in order to instruct CIE to impose higher increases on the Irish public than the Commission had seen fit to recommend.

The greatest single flaw in the budget is that it does nothing whatever to deal with inflation. The Minister, in his budget speech, gave this as one of the main aims of the budget. The Taoiseach has referred to inflation as a problem which must be dealt with, and yet the budget does nothing to deal with it and in many ways adds greatly to the inflation danger in the coming 12 months.

It is a difficult task for us in Ireland to deal with inflation. For one thing, as a very open society and open economy, no Government can do anything to deal with increased prices of goods imported from abroad. We must balance, in our economic circumstances, the drive for more jobs and for economic expansion generally. We must keep a delicate balance between this need and the danger of increasing inflation still further.

The budget increase in capital spending succeeds in preserving this balance. Quite obviously, the increase in spending on a wide variety of capital schemes is calculated to increase inflation. It puts more money into circulation and will obviously increase imports and put pressures on prices. The Government were justified in preserving the capital programme which they inherited because the inflationary effects of this programme, and there will be inflationary effects, would seem to be justified by the extra jobs and incomes which will be provided.

The planned deficit of £40 million in this budget is another matter. What will be the effect of this decision by the Government to unbalance the budget to the enormous extent of £40 million in this year? The first obvious effect one can think of is that it will cost about £4 million each year for many years to come simply to service the debt we are incurring as a result of this budget, incurring not in order to build houses, or hospitals, or roads, or public facilities of any kind, but to balance the budget by borrowing £40 million. This £4 million if used in another way could have done a great deal to improve still further the position of the old age pensioner or other social welfare classes.

More important than the actual cost of servicing the debt, which will not end this year but will continue for years to come as a result of the deficit for 1973-74, will be the increase in the Government's already considerable financial problems. In this budget the Government have rightly increased very much spending on the capital programme. Finding the money for this will be difficult. It can be obtained to a limited extent from the banks or through public loans, but it seems probable that a considerable amount will have to be borrowed abroad. This is by far the most expensive way in which one can borrow since there is no consequential gain to the Government, as there is if they borrow at home, from income tax on the interest. It will add greatly to the Government's problems in borrowing money this year and will also add to the banks' problems in providing the finance.

We already have the situation where the banks during the past few months have been cutting down in every possible way on credit. We have a considerable credit squeeze on the way and in this respect I do wish our banking system could order their business in a more coherent way. We had a sitution up to last February when, apparently under instructions from the Central Bank, bank managers were writing to their customers asking if they would like more money. Quite suddenly there is a shift of gear and everything goes into reverse; bank managers say they have no money even for obviously useful productive purposes. They say the amounts they can produce are very limited and they insist clients pay back overdrafts, et cetera. It appears likely that, as a result of the problems which will exist in financing the State programme under this budget, the amount of finance available to the public will be even less than it has been during the past few months and this deficit will quite unnecessarily complicate that problem still further.

A planned deficit on an annual budget is not necessarily a bad thing. There are clearly circumstances in which such a deficit can be useful. Last year, when a much smaller deficit was decided upon by the former Government, the circumstances were such that it was a wise move. There was a big need for increased employment to increase the rate of expansion of incomes. This year the necessity is somewhat less. Real incomes are likely to increase considerably more this year and unemployment is falling; while the situation is obviously by no means satisfactory, it is improving and, therefore, the need for a deficit is less than it was last year. Whatever about the rights and wrongs of a planned deficit in the budget—and there are certain circumstances when it can be useful—there is no excuse at all for a Government unbalancing their budget for purely political reasons.

One gets a strong impression that in this budget there was no question of deciding upon a £40 million deficit for any genuine economic reason. One feels that, when the Government had assembled the various things they felt had to be done arising out of election promises—election promises which in many respects were very unwise— counted the cost of these, and collected together all the innumerable forms of new taxation listed in this budget and totted all the figures, they discovered they were £40 million short, so they decided upon a planned deficit. There is no excuse in any circumstances for running a deficit for political reasons. All Governments wish to be able to give benefits but, at the same time, are afraid to impose taxation needed to pay for them.

One also gets the impression from some of the remarks of Ministers during recent weeks that they hope the deficit will end up at less than £40 million. They appear to be relying, or counting, on a continued and perhaps an increasing rate of inflation which automatically will cut down this deficit. They could be right in that as, apart from the other inflationary aspects of the budget, the deficit will certainly contribute to increased inflation.

The most inflationary single aspect of the budget clearly is the changes made in VAT. These were totally misconceived and were the result of reckless and extremely foolish election promises. Inflation is the most serious single economic problem we have to face. It is not simply that prices are rising at the rate of around 12 per cent each year because, to some extent, people can be cushioned against that; social welfare classes can have their social welfare payments increased as, indeed, they have been. The workers will ensure that in the next wage round their wages are increased sufficiently to cover the increased cost of living. Farmers will be able to keep abreast, but there are those who are retired or living on fixed incomes who cannot catch up on inflation. The greatest single danger in the present situation is that, once you get to a certain point, it becomes almost impossible to reverse the course of inflation; it has now reached the unprecedented rate of 12 per cent a year and the entire economic progress of the country, on which so much is being spent and into which so much effort is being put, may be endangered if we do not do something about the inflationary situation.

That is why these changes in VAT have been so unwise. The taking of VAT off food was an election promise by the Coalition Government which in itself was tied in with the promise referred to by Senator Browne and other Senators that prices would be stabilised, with the hint that they might fall. Time will tell whether food prices will fall in September when the VAT of 5.26 per cent is taken off food. Whether they fall or not it will be very, very difficult to police all the thousands upon thousands of shops throughout the country to make sure that, here and there, there are not ill-disposed shopkeepers who may not give the 5 per cent, or who may give only part of the 5 per cent back to the public. Whatever about that, it is more than likely that continuing inflation will in the end leave the public paying just as much as before.

Between February and May this year food prices, according to official figures, rose by 5.2 per cent. In three months they rose by more than the notional 5 per cent by which it is hoped they may fall as a result of the VAT changes in September. One thing is certain: whether or not food prices fall in September, all other prices will rise. It is very doubtful if the rises can be kept down to the amounts of increased VAT. The whole situation may cause something in the nature of a price explosion.

The Minister for Industry and Commerce has promised that he will have inspectors out to see that the 5 per cent fall in food prices takes place, but the problem is not a matter of merely checking food prices. Prices of every single commodity in every single shop and supermarket in the country will have to be policed because, on the one hand, you have to see that the price of food comes down and, on the other hand, that the price of everything else does not go up by more than the increased level of VAT. It seems to be an utterly impossible task and I cannot conceive how, where you have increases of a penny or twopence on a pound here and a pound there on all these commodities, they can possibly be controlled. The whole exercise is an almost guaranteed way of increasing the trend of inflation.

This promise to take VAT off food was misconceived in many ways. It was misconceived, as I have mentioned, because of the impossibility of ensuring that it will work out in the way its sponsors might hope. It was misconceived also because, while food is essential and you cannot live without eating, it is obvious that no household lives only on food. There is a very large number of other commodities which are also essential such as shoes, clothing, food and light, and all the hundred and one items that any household has to buy in any week. You would think in talking about food as a vital necessity that we were talking about some kind of survival kit that one might need if one were stranded on a South Sea island. We are not talking about a starving man in the middle of a desert. We are talking about ordinary Irish households. We are talking about the things that the ordinary man and woman in the street buy each day and each week for themselves and for their families.

There are certain types of households who spend a particularly high proportion of their incomes on food. There are people on social welfare, there are people with very large families, who have to spend the greater part of their income on foodstuffs. but one would have thought that the sensible way to approach this would be for the Government to cushion these classes against increases in the cost of food. Instead of trying to achieve this result, a result which might save a person on social welfare perhaps 40p a week in lower food prices, in this extraordinarily complicated way which is affecting the prices up or down—and more often up than down —of every single commodity, one would have thought that it would have been much easier and more sensible to cushion those who have to spend a high proportion of their incomes on food against rising prices.

While at the lowest rate of VAT many items are just as essential as food, such as, shoes, clothing, fuel and electricity, some of the so-called less essential items which are taxed now at 19.5 per cent are really just as vital and necessary as any others. What household can live without furniture, furnishings, cleaning materials, electrical equipment, hardware, holiday and sporting equipment? These are the kind of items ordinary people buy that are no longer in the luxury class. Even the so-called luxury goods are now charged at 36.75 per cent. What are these luxury goods? Basically, they are radios, television sets and motor cars.

I wonder if there is a household in the country that has not got a radio. I think it is very unlikely. Yet we are told this is a luxury with the implication that only the very wealthy buy one. I do not know what proportion of households has not got a television set, but I know that we now provide free television licences for old age pensioners. They are not the very wealthy but they will have to pay 36.75 per cent on any television set they buy. Can it be said that motor cars are a nonessential item which only the very wealthy own? It seems to me that, both in town and country, a very high proportion of people who are by no means wealthy have to buy a motor car and they will now have to pay 36.75 per cent.

In his budget speech the Minister for Finance, as reported at column 1261 of the Official Report, said in relation to these changes in VAT at the three different rates:

It has been decided to keep the increase as low as possible on the rate applicable to basic commodities and to increase to a greater extent the rates on other, less essential, items.

That sounds all right as a policy, but it is precisely what he has not done. The lowest rate, which was 5.26 per cent on the supposedly more basic commodities, has been increased to 6.75 per cent, an increase of 28.3 per cent. In other words, for every £100 that the Government take in in tax on these commodities, the increase will be 28.3 per cent. Taking the middle group, who are less basic according to the Minister but not in the so-called luxury class, the rates go up from 16.37 per cent to 19.5 per cent. That is a fraction under 20 per cent of an increase. Then the so-called luxury items, such as radio sets and televisions, go up from 30.26 per cent to 36.75 per cent, a rise of 21.4 per cent. In other words, the tax rise imposed by the Government is considerably higher on the basic more essential items than it is on the less basic more luxury items. The reason for this is clear because, since for more money is spent on these basic items than on the more luxury items, there is more money to be got in taxes out of them.

However, it is the exact opposite of what the Minister said he was doing. We now find the situation where the tax is being taken off food—prices may or may not go down but one hopes they will—but on the other items, which are for practical purposes just as essential as food to the ordinary household, a much higher increase in tax has been imposed than has been imposed on any of the others.

The total net effect of the changes in VAT is that the Government in a full year will get £5 million extra from consumers. In spite of the fact that that £5 million extra each year is to come from consumers on foot of VAT, the Minister has been able to claim—and no doubt as far as statistics go he is correct—that this will have the interesting result of a ½ per cent fall in the cost of living index. One wonders how that could be. It would seem to show quite clearly that the whole basis of the index is out of date. Since the index was originally prepared some ten years ago living standards have risen so much that items which were then counted as luxuries—such as motor cars—and which therefore were weighted very low in the cost of living index scales have now become a much higher proportion of household expenditure.

Nonetheless, if the Minister wishes to claim a technical fall of ½ per cent in the cost of living, he is welcome to it. The net result is that the Irish consumers are to pay £5 million extra a year. That is what really worries them more than the actual figure of the cost of living index. Even if it were to cause a ½ per cent fall in the cost of living, it seems ridiculous to cause so much difficulty and confusion, to create so many inflationary dangers for the entire community, for the sake of such an unimportant change. Except for food, the prices of everything in the country will be increased next September. Problems are being created quite unnecessarily for the trading community in having four rates of VAT where formerly there were only three. VAT is a complicated enough tax as it is but it is being made still more complicated, and unnecessarily so, by these changes.

There is a further problem created by this very unwise decision to take VAT off food. That is in our relations with the EEC. In regard to VAT, it is absolutely vital that there should be some degree of harmonisation in the nine countries of the EEC. Harmonisation is a great "in" word in community circles. One sometimes feels that the members of the Commission of the EEC must stay awake at nights wondering what next they can harmonise. One feels that some of their harmonisation proposals are a case of conformity gone mad, that they go to enormous lengths to produce documents of extraordinary complexity, create great problems for economic interests in the various countries, simply in order to have a situation in which they can say: "Isn't this grand now, motor car windscreens or designs for mopeds"—whatever it happens to be—"are the same now in the nine countries. That is another piece of harmonisation done."

The harmonisation of VAT is really, genuinely, an important and obviously vital thing to bring about. The whole concept of the Common Market as such is that you could start at one end of the Common Market and travel with goods through all the various national boundaries without having to be stopped by customs officials or fill up complicated documents and go through all the complicated ramifications which international trade so often requires. It is obvious that so long as you have these very big inequalities, or indeed any inequalities at all, between the rates of VAT and the methods of levying VAT in the different countries, it will still be necessary to maintain fleets of customs officials at the borders. I think I am correct in saying that since the EEC was formed instead of decreasing, the number of customs officials has increased. While there have been, in various ways, simplifications in the process of, say, bringing a lorry load of goods from France into Holland, at the same time because of these different rates of VAT there are still very great complications and there will remain very great complications until some degree of harmonisation has been carried out.

It should therefore be the aim of the Government, bearing in mind that ultimately we do not know when—it may be quite soon or it may not be for a bit longer—we will have to align our VAT rates with those of the other eight countries of the EEC. One would have thought that the Government would endeavour to see that whatever changes they made in VAT they did not, at any rate, bring us still further away from our continental colleagues. This is precisely what they have done.

The prevailing view in the original six countries of the EEC was that VAT should be an all-embracing tax, that it should include everything including food. The only two countries with zero rate food are now Britain and Ireland. We were both, a month or so ago, given a special but purely temporary permission to do this provided it was done before 1st January next, which of course is being done here. It was a temporary permission as the Minister admitted in his budget speech. At column 1262, Volume 265 of the Official Report, he said:

In joining the EEC we took upon ourselves certain commitments regarding the harmonisation of value-added taxes in the Community. As yet, however, the degree of harmonisation achieved by the EEC is not such as to preclude substantial differences in the rates and structure of VAT applied in the member states, and accordingly, in making the changes just announced, we are not in conflict with present Community legislation.

The pace and degree of the movement towards a Community-wide unification of the structure of the tax and, later still, towards a narrowing of the differences between the various national rates of tax are matters for discussion and agreement between the member States.

The Minister, in other words, admits that we are not in conflict with present Community legislation, there being a clear implication that we could be in conflict with future legislation. There is a kind of what could be described as a hope expressed at the end of that quotation that since, after all, these are matters for agreement between the various countries we could always refuse to change. I suppose we could have our power of veto if it came to the crunch. I think we would be extremely unwise to exercise such power on a matter of this kind.

We have all these extraordinary complications and dangers brought in by this decision to zero rate food without any real prospect that we will be able to maintain this situation for more than a relatively few years.

There is a further problem again related to the EEC. As I understand it, from the year 1975 on we will be expected, along with all the other countries of the EEC, to pay a maximum of 1 per cent of VAT to the funds of the EEC. This is not 1 per cent of the actual money raised on VAT. It is a complicated calculation which is to be on the whole tax base. We have this situation that something like £16 million a year of VAT is being taken off food. We would still be liable to pay 1 per cent of the retail price of all foods to the EEC. Therefore, something like £4 million a year will be liable to be paid by us to the EEC on food which we will not be taxing. This will be a further imposition on the Irish taxpayer. There will be a curious situation. Food is zero rated and still we will have to pay 1 per cent to the EEC. I think I am correct in saying that that will be the position.

The VAT election promise was a foolish one, but at least it was one which was possible to carry out. It will cause terrible complications, further inflation, a great deal of dissatisfaction among consumers, but technically it can be done, as we are doing it in this Finance Bill.

The promise on death duties made by the National Coalition during the election campaign was even more foolish because anyone with any sense could have told them at the time that it was impossible to carry it out in the form outlined. The Coalition made use of the traditional fear of Irish farmers of losing their land. We know that because of our history the Irish farmer, more so than farmers elsewhere in the world, have a horror of losing the family holding. The impact of death duties on Irish farms because of the recent very rapid rises in prices of land was far greater than the actual figures would have suggested. Every time a farmer died and the word went round the neighbourhood that the sons and daughters had to pay from £4,000 to £10,000 in death duties and there was a danger that the holding would have to be sold in order to pay this, a wave of horror went through the farming community. The Coalition, in what can only be described as an unscrupulous manner, took advantage of this natural fear based on the history of the Land War and all the other events which took place in rural Ireland during the past century or so. We need have very little doubt that it was an ineffective promise. We have a statement by the President of the Irish Farmers' Association in relation to death duties which was reported in The Irish Times of July 23rd and I quote:

.... This was, and still is, a burning issue, especially among the farming community. No topic has been so tested in recent times as has the removal of estate duty. Thousands and thousands of people attended meetings all over the country specially arranged to discuss this subject.

With regard to the promise of the Coalition he says:

These commitments, solemly given by the Coalition parties before the (General) Election, clearly influenced the outcome of same.

Having given this promise and having gained, possibly, decisive votes as a result of it, when they got into office and investigated the situation they realised what they should have realised long before: that the promise was simply impossible to carry out in the form outlined.

In this budget there are some reliefs —and they are welcome—in estate duties, but reliefs which do not go very far beyond merely levelling off the natural increase in land prices as a result of the very large increases in values of farmland in recent years. These reliefs will have a temporary affect. At the same time—and this certainly was not promised in their election campaign—they have doubled legacy and succession duties. In the election they specifically referred to death duties on property passed to a widow or to children, but nonetheless general impression was given—not many people, unfortunately, at elections read the small print—that all death duties were to be abolished. About 30 per cent of all farms are in the hands of widows who have no children or of people who are unmarried. These farms tend to be handed on to brothers, cousins or to other remote members of the family and these will be affected by legacy or succession duty or maybe both.

In spite of the reliefs given this year in estate duties—the Minister has put about the suggestion that these are of fundamental importance, that they are the greatest increases ever given—we find that there is something like £13 million taken in a full year in the various forms of death duty. The total saving to the taxpayer will be in the regions of £750,000 or about 6 per cent. With inflation running the way it is and in particular with land prices increasing at the rate they are, if a notional saving is only 6 per cent it is quite clear that the value of the property concerned will rise by far more than 6 per cent in the next year and that, therefore, the Government will end up at the end of this year's financial year with more money rather than with less.

The question of income tax was a very great disappointment to the public as a whole. There have been no changes in income tax allowances except for a very minor concession in relation to working wives. There was a time when the general impression was that only the better off members of the community were affected by income tax, but two influences have now created the situation that everyone is affected by income tax. First, with the increase in incomes people are better off and, therefore, many more people are in the income tax bracket than ever were before; and, secondly, because the allowances to taxpayers have gone nowhere near increasing over the years to keep pace with the fall in the value of money. Therefore, on both these counts everyone is being brought into the net. Mr. Donal Nevin, spokesman for the ICTU, on the day after the budget expressed grave dissatisfaction that there was no improvement in income tax allowances for wage and salary earners other than for the working wife.

I was rather startled to hear Senator Moynihan yesterday attacking Fianna Fáil rather violently for, as he put it, in 16 years never doing anything to increase income tax allowances. I have already mentioned that all Governments, including Fianna Fáil, have been responsible for the situation that over the years these allowances have not in any way kept pace with inflation. Nonetheless, it is fair to point out that last year there were very considerable improvements in income tax allowances. It was by far the greatest single easement of the income tax burden that has ever been put through. The allowance for single people was increased by £50 to £299, for widows by £50 to £324 for a married couple by £70 to £494 and there was a general increase of some £20 in child allowances at a total cost of £11 million. This was a very considerable improvement, and it may be that the memory of this is one of the reasons why there has been so much general disappointment over the complete absence for practical purposes of any changes in the income tax rates this year.

There is the budget concession to working wives, which the Minister for Finance says now means that the relief for a married couple is the same as two single people. This is only so where the joint income is less than £2,000. Once you pass £2,000 with a joint income for husband and wife, where the wife is working the wife or the household loses out. It is simply not correct to say that the situation of a married couple and two single people can be equalised. Nothing at all has been done for the wife does not go out to work, and, after all, this is by far the normal situation in Irish conditions, and you still have the situation that income tax allowances for a married couple are less than those for two single people.

There are many other matters which one could raise on the various sections of the Bill, but I will conclude by expressing pleasure particularly as regards the improvements in social welfare in the Bill, support for the considerable increase in capital spending, and regret at many of the other items this Bill contains.

The few remarks I wish to make will pertain to the Bill as its affects the agricultural sector of our economy. In doing so, I should first like to say that Senator Browne this morning castigated both the Fianna Fáil Party and the Fine Gael Party for their efforts to take this country into the Common Market last year. I am one of the people who worked hard at that time to endeavour to ensure that this country would become part and parcel of the European Economic Community. I have no regrets for doing so. I represent here the agricultural community. I am a member of the agricultural panel. My interests are mainly centred on agriculture and, of course, on those who work in agriculture and who derive their livelihood from food industries based on agriculture. Whatever may be said now against the Common Market, we must remember that there are 240,000 farm families in this country. Big and small farms are benefiting very substantially from the price rises which agricultural produce has got since it came into the Common Market. There are also many thousands of people working in our food industries up and down the country, in our creameries, in our sugar factories, in our meat processing factories, et cetera. In that context I should like to say it is my belief that we must have many more industries of this nature based on agricultural produce to take up the slack in the employment which we have in the economy. The ideal situation so far as I am concerned would be that every ounce of product which is produced on our farms would be put through our food factories and processed by Irish workers and sold packaged on whatever market can be obtained. It should all be done by our own workers in our own factories.

At the moment a very considerable number of our cattle are exported on the hoof. That obtains because the meat factories are unable to compete adequately for cattle in the market place. This situation can be righted and will be righted as time goes on. The Government of the day ought to promote in so far as it is possible for them this aspect of our economy to the greatest extent possible, because I see in it a great future not alone for our workers but also for our farmers. I feel that if we do this we will at least be on the right road. I should like to remind Senators who spoke yesterday and this morning in the course of the debate that as a result of our entry into the European Economic Community the Government found that they had £30 million to spare from food subsidies which could be transferred by this Bill into social services, social welfare and children's allowances. When the Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael people went out in 1972 to ask the people to vote for our entry into Europe this was one of the things which we told the people would happen, that this £30 million in farm subsidies would become available for transfer into social services, social welfare and children's allowances. Any Government in office at this time, whether Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael, were committed to that promise which was made in May, 1972. If this amount of money was not available and if the Minister for Finance endeavoured to give the same hand-outs in this Bill as he has given to the social services and children's allowances the Bill would probably be a very penal document. It is penal enough as it stands, but without that £30 million which we have saved by our entry into Europe we could not possibly give these extra allowances without grave penalties on many of those who pay our taxes. Senator Higgins mentioned yesterday that this was a social distress document. I believe that it has made an impact on this social distress as it existed in so far as this £30 million was available to the economy.

I should like to make a few remarks on death duties and the problems created by them for farmers in particular and for property owners too. They are brought about by the increased value of land and property. This Bill has given certain reliefs. In part 3 of the Bill, sections 52 to 60, the reliefs are spelled out and they go at least some way to relieving the hardships which are brought about by death duties. However, the reliefs as they are spelled out are a long way from the promises which were made by the National Coalition when they went on the hustings last February. These promises to knock out death duties completely won a considerable amount of support, in my belief, for the National Coalition parties. This support naturally came from the better-off farming areas, from the areas where farms are better than average in size and in the south, east and midlands of the country, in particular.

The reliefs that have been given in death duties are not enough. There are still many hardships imposed on people as a result of death duties, I have no sympathy for the old farmer who holds on to his land and refuses to transfer it to his family. I have sympathy, however, for the family who are left with and mulcted by the death duty clauses in this Bill as a result of that old man's passing. We have many farms of over 80 acres in the south-east and midlands. If the owner of one of these farms dies and a widow is left, her tragedy is compounded by the fact that heavy death duties often ensue. There is an urgent need to proceed further with the alleviation of these problems than is done in the Bill.

There are three categories who are affected by such a man's death. The third category, the children, are the worst off if both parents die about the same time. The pressures on a family in those circumstances are very heavy. If a husband dies, his widow has a fairly substantial amount of relief to get. If the husband and wife die about the same time, the eldest child does not get any relief. He is treated only as a child. Such a child should receive the same benefits as his mother if she had survived. This would alleviate to some extent the death duties on a farm.

Land will not get any cheaper. Property will not get any cheaper. Land has gone way beyond its value in the context of profits which can be earned from it. If land was valued at approximately the profit margins which can be derived from it we would be making some headway. Land at present is making up to £900 an acre. This, in terms of bank interest, runs up to £90 per acre per annum if one has to borrow money to buy it. In this context there is no possibility of making that kind of money from land. If the value of the land was related to its earning capacity for purposes of death duties we would make some progress.

The motor industry was mentioned. This industry has been heavily penalised in practically every aspect of its operations. The price of cars will go up. Driving licences have been increased. Road tax has been increased by 10 per cent. Petrol, accessories and parts have all been increased. The motor industry is a large employer of labour, at local level in the service stations and garages and also at assembly level. If these penalties are repeated on the motor industry for another year or so, the motor car could become something of a curiosity. We have an ever-increasing number of people commuting to work every day from the rural areas into the local towns and cities. The car is an essential part of their job. These men are getting no relief in income tax to run their cars. They are being mulcted under many of the sections of this Bill rather than getting relief.

In Part V, section 88 of the Bill, oral medicine for animal use has been mentioned as having a zero rating. It provides that medicine which does not qualify for the zero rate, oral medicine other than pet medicine is chargeable at the zero rate, and is not pet medicine chargeable at the 19.50 per cent rate, should be chargeable at the lower rate of 6.75 per cent.

That means that if a farmer or a veterinarian goes to a chemist to buy animal medicine for oral use he is charged a zero rating. If he buys that same medicine for intra-muscular use he is charged the 6.75 per cent rating. My interpretation might not be correct but I do not think I am far wrong. If this is the situation, it is necessary to re-examine this section to see if the matter could be remedied. It seems an extraordinary situation that if a particular drug is applied orally, it stands at a zero rating, whereas if it is applied intra-muscularly VAT is charged at the rate of 6.75 per cent.

I want to make some reference to income tax. Senator Yeats dealt fairly extensively with income tax as it affects the ordinary individual. I have little comment to make on that aspect except that personal allowances are not being increased. This facet of previous Finance Bills was always criticised by the present Government when they were in Opposition. This was done in spite of the fact that last year and two years previous to that, as Senator Yeats pointed out, there were substantial reliefs. The only relief we have this year is in section 2 which increases the wife's earned income relief from £74 to £104. The middle-income group are carrying the heaviest burden in regard to income tax. When I refer to the middle-income group, I am referring to people who are working in the food factories in my own constituency. These people who work overtime, do shift work and many of them take home pay packets of £40 to £45 per week. They will be heavily penalised by the fact that they have got no extra income tax allowance under this Bill. Many of these people have young families to educate. They are endeavouring to add little by little to whatever chattels and goods they have. Many of them are trying to buy their homes. They are carrying the economy of the country on their backs. They are the sector which keep our factories and offices in production. They are penalised under many sections of this Bill. They have got very little relief.

There are many demands to bring farmers into the income tax net. Farmers as a body do not want to opt out of paying their taxes. It must be remembered that agriculture is only now coming out of a very long period of the doldrums. Our exports traditionally had only one outlet and that was the British market and a damned bad market it was. We got bad prices and our agricultural produce was subjected to restrictions whenever it suited the British. Farming in that context was a depressed occupation and depended for its survival on whatever subvention the Government of the day here were prepared to give it.

If agriculture is to make the contribution it is possible for it to make to our economy it needs a huge input of capital. The President of the Irish Farmers' Association, Mr. P.J. Maher, recently suggested that he believed that a sum of £2,000 million was necessary for investment in agriculture in the next ten years. It is regularly admitted by all that agriculture is heavily under-capitalised. I am pleased to see that within the last few days the World Bank made a loan available for us and this in conjunction with the Agricultural Credit Corporation, amounts to approximately £15 million, which is welcome. However, in the context of what was stated by the President of the IFA, it is merely a drop in the ocean. Our farms run to about 10½ million acres of agricultural land. We have on this 10½ million acres approximately 6½ million cattle. Every agricultural expert and every farmer knows we can carry an extra 4 to 5 million cattle on these farms without the slightest difficulty.

The problem is to find the money to finance farmers to rear those extra 4 million cattle and keep them for a period of three years until they reach slaughter weight. Rather than threaten farmers with income tax, we ought to offer them encouragement to invest in their industry to the hilt, to borrow to the hilt to invest and to pour back their profits into their industry in every way they can. They should be assured that if they do this and if they increase their productivity to the point where it ought to be increased in the shortest possible time, we will give them the tax concessions and the annual holidays to which the personnel in any industry are entitled who are exporting their produce to the same extent as agriculture. Two-thirds of agricultural exports approximately are exported. It means having an investment of capital and because of that it is entitled to these tax concessions just as much as any new industry which is set up and where heavy capital has to be invested in order to start the industry.

For the first time in many generations farmers are able to pay their debts and can face those to whom they owe money. It is time they were allowed to revitalise their farms to make them more viable and to stock them fully and to acquire some of the trappings which most of us in other categories are used to having without worrying where they come from.

This Finance Bill deals with the changes introduced in the recent budget and I will deal briefly with some of the provisions contained in it. Like other Finance Bills, it contains some welcome provisions and some very contentious matters. Some months ago the public were conditioned to the belief that if they could get rid of a Fianna Fáil Government a new haven could be created for Ireland and the Irish people. The electorate opted for a change after 16 years of Fianna Fáil Government. They were told, through the media in particular, that the Coalition groups with their superior talent, intelligence and new ideas could improve the quality of life for all. Therefore, the people made their choice and gave the new supermen an opportunity to implement their promises and to improve the quality of life as they had alleged they were capable of doing.

Like other speakers, I believe that any Government should be given a little time to implement their policies and to organise their programme in order that benefits may accrue. The present Government did not claim to be supermen, it was the media who were responsible for this, and they still enjoy the full support of all sections of the media.

Nothing new has come about in the field of social services or their improvement. The public were conditioned into the belief that if Ireland entered the EEC all those benefits would come one way or another. I was one of those who campaigned for our entry into the EEC and for that I have no apologies. We as an island community could not afford to live in isolation. Therefore, there was no alternative except to join with the other groups in the EEC. When we were endeavouring to encourage the people to vote "yes" on that occasion, one of our main planks on the election platforms was the improvements that would accrue in the field of social welfare. There were no surprises as a result of the budget this year. The people expected everything they got and many of them were disappointed that more benefits did not accrue from the recent budget. I canvassed from door to door last February and I told the people what they could expect. They just laughed at me and said it was not adequate. None of us can foresee when this They got nothing more than I promised on that occasion from this Government, but they expected more. Therefore, any benefits which came about did not surprise anybody. They came because they were promised by all parties, because of our accession to the EEC. There was no jubilation in any sector of the social welfare beneficiaries.

I was disappointed at the decision to remove VAT from only some items of food. The Minister and the Government in their wisdom felt that items such as biscuits, minerals, lucozade, ice-cream, clothing, footwear and many other articles should be regarded as luxuries. I do not know how anybody could regard those items as luxuries. We all know that footwear and clothing are just as essential as foodstuffs. The Government have erred in removing value-added tax from segregated items and failing to remove it from other essentials. We must have clothes to protect us from the elements. We live in a cold climate; we do not get much sunshine. It was wrong to remove VAT from a few items and allow so many other essentials to remain subject to it.

Thousands of old age pensioners live on tea and biscuits. Biscuits are now a luxury. Patients in hospitals, homes and institutions enjoy a bottle of lucozade, biscuits, minerals and so on. Those are now all regarded as luxuries. I do not know why they are classified as luxuries. There is still time to correct this mistake and I would appeal to the Minister and the Government to ensure that the necessaries of life are free of VAT. Taxation comes from one source only, from the wage earners' pockets, the property owners' pockets or the pockets of the professional man and businessman. If a person can buy cheap food but has to pay dearly for clothing, then the breadwinner who has to pay gains nothing. I fail to see how any benefit can derive from the removal of VAT from food.

The argument will be made that family allowances have been increased to offset price rises. This is poor consolation to the housewife who finds that she must pay more and more for the basic requirements of her family, rising price trend will be halted, if it ever will be halted. It is no wonder married women find it necessary to go out to work to supplement the family income. Efforts have been made in recent times to allow women to continue in their employment after marriage; I support those efforts but it would not be necessary for many women to continue in employment after marriage were it not for the fact that they must now supplement the family income.

I should like to know what provisions have been made in this Bill, or in any other Bill, to provide employment for the thousands of young girls who become available for employment each year. I have no doubt that many channels of employment will be closed to them in future because of the provision allowing married women to continue in employment. What job prospects will there be in future for these young girls? I hope the Government have some scheme in the pipeline to overcome the difficulties young girls will have in finding employment as a result of the thousands of married women who will opt to continue on in employment after marriage. I hope we will never again have to endure the painful sight of seeing our young girls emigrating. It is most encouraging to note that emigration is now almost non-existent. Let us hope that it will not occur again as a result of this new provision allowing women to remain in employment after marriage.

In relation to our income tax code, I am disappointed that there is no provision in this Bill for cases of hardship. People can become victims of circumstances outside their control. Take the case of a small building contractor who gets into financial difficulties. He may be building houses for the local authority; the local authority discovers he cannot continue and they take over the scheme and complete it. This small building contractor is still liable for income tax assessed the previous year on his work. He is in financial difficulties and is forced to sell his house. The result is his wife and family have no roof over their heads. I am thinking of the man who has been processed for a certain sum of money with an income tax assessment on that money. He has now not got a roof over his head and his wife and family are in very, very poor circumstances. There should be some provision made in the Finance Acts to cater for such cases of hardship. They are not very numerous. I fail to see why the law must be upheld so rigidly. I fail to understand why a man in such circumstances should end up in prison simply because he became a victim of circumstances outside his control and was unable to pay the income tax for which he was assessed.

I would ask the Parliamentary Secretary to make some effort to have provisions written into Finance Acts which would cater for such cases of hardship. These are not people who can be regarded as tax dodgers. They are people who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own. Somebody should endeavour to humanise the activities of the Revenue Commissioners in this respect. It is an anomaly that needs to be removed urgently. I appeal to the Minister and the Parliamentary Secretary to look into this matter with a view to issuing instructions to the Revenue Commissioners at least to listen to a person's case. If they feel that lies are being told they can then proceed to implement the full rigour of the law. Every effort should be made to humanise the activities of the Revenue Commissioners and this could be done by introducing a degree of flexibility into our income tax code.

I should like to deal now with the provision to increase the road tax on motor vehicles. I protest at the manner in which this was introduced. The road tax on some vehicles was increased by 75 per cent. That seems to have escaped the notice of many people. It was stated that the increase was only 10 per cent. I can cite the case of a small delivery van for a small businessman or a small company; formerly the tax on such a vehicle was £16; it will now be £28. That man has no alternative but to pass on the increase to his customers resulting in another increase in prices. I would not object to increased road tax if we were being provided with better roads but the contribution this year will not measure up to the increases levied on the motoring public.

The road network in this country is not capable of catering for the increased traffic, especially the heavy traffic. We now have, as the Europeans call them, the juggernauts but our roads were not constructed to cater for this heavy traffic. It is noted that this particular item has not been increased in the budget provisions this year. These vehicles take a heavier toll on road surfaces than the lighter vehicles. They are dangerous on our roads and those of us who travel up and down the country know that if we get two of these vehicles in convoy along the road we have to stay behind them for miles before we get an opportunity of passing.

Driving licences have been increased by 100 per cent and provisional licences have been increased by 200 per cent. These increases are bound to have repercussions on the motoring public. The tax on tractors has been increased. Some people think that the farmer became a millionaire overnight but 1972 was the first year in farming history that farmers enjoyed any measure of prosperity. Some people feel that the farmers should be dealt with as quickly as possible in order to extract as much tax as possible.

No worthwhile increase was given in road grants to compensate for the increases which were brought about in this budget. The motorist who is paying tax on his vehicle is entitled to have better quality roads. The Minister for Finance should ensure that more money is made available to local authorities to bring our roads up to a standard which will allow the motoring public enjoy greater safety and ease of driving.

In dealing with the motoring public I should like to refer to the Tenth Schedule which provides for various amendments of the Value-Added Tax Act, 1972. In 1972 VAT on motor cars, and television sets, was 30.26 per cent. Now, under this Bill, the rate will be 36.76 per cent. The time has come for somebody to call halt with regard to penalising the motoring public any further. Whether he buys petrol, or a spare part, he is taxed to the hilt. His road tax has been increased and now he pays a further 6.75 per cent increase in VAT. I should like to ask the Minister, and the Government, how much further can they go in their extraction of tax from the motoring public. We have the dearest motor vehicles in Europe and it is not the fault of the assemblers. The parts are produced cheaply in other countries and cars are only assembled here, but it is our method of taxation which is responsible for the fact that our motor vehicles are the most expensive in Europe.

I should like to refer to the workers who must use their cars to travel long distances to work. They are allowed no tax concessions as a result of having to use their own motor vehicles each day to go to work. A case in point occurred when all the major oil companies decided to close their rural depots. They gave their truck drivers the choice of operating from Dublin or becoming redundant. All the drivers who had their homes established in the country and had their children attending local schools had to move to Dublin or else become redundant. Many of those people decided to drive to Dublin daily to continue in their present employment. Those people will not get any remission of income tax on account of having to use their car to get to work.

The same case applies to those in the building industry which can be regarded as a mobile industry. The builder must move from site to site and the workers must move also. The time has come for our planners to reinvestigate our income tax system and allow those people who must use their cars to get to work greater tax concessions to compensate them for the cost of travelling to and from work. It can, and must, be done. They are already heavily taxed. They are paying taxes from the time the car parts arrive in the country until they are bought. They also have to pay motor tax, insurance and driving licence. As the saying goes, the last straw may break the camel's back. The time has come when the last straw will break the camel's back. It is time for a re-assessment of the tax code. The Government will lose revenue if depression returns and people discover they can no longer keep motor cars.

I should like to refer to the cost of Government and the overall cost of the Civil Service. The provisions in the budget will make our tax collection system more complicated. They will mean employing more civil servants. One of the arguments used by Coalition spokesmen in the last election campaign was that we had a top-heavy Civil Service. One of their promises has been broken because they will now have a Civil Service system which will be even more top-heavy. This situation was brought about by our complicated taxation system. We should have been endeavouring to simplify our taxation system but have not done so.

I should like to refer to the increase in borrowing rates. This increase will greatly inflate the cost of housing. The present Minister for Local Government stated that we would have 25,000 new houses built this year, but I do not see how this promise can be implemented if house loans are to be increased week by week. Anyone who wants to buy a house must avail of the loans and the biggest proportion of money being used for house building comes from the building societies and the local authorities. The local authority comes in with SDA loans when the builder discovers he cannot procure any money from the building societies. It will cost him more money each year to service that loan and it will cost more money to have the house erected. The end result is that all sections of the community must continue to press for higher and higher wages in order to enable them to enjoy a reasonable standard of living.

This Government, which promised so much, will have to come to grips with this cancer of inflation. This is strong language but there is no other way of explaining the present, inflationary trend. It was operating more or less at a walking pace some years ago; the pace has now developed into a gallop. Something must be done to stop inflation. Where will it all end? The people are prepared to give the Government time, they are prepared to give them an opportunity of fulfilling some of their promises. I am convinced that they made too many promises. They deceived many people and they will be unable to fulfil all their promises. I hope the day is not too far distant when the people will be afforded an opportunity of deciding what type of a Government they want or whether the present Government have fulfilled any of the promises made in their 14-point programme.

Despite the claim made for the budget by Government spokesmen, this Finance Bill does nothing to redistribute effectively wealth and income from the rich to the poor. This is regrettable. We are to have higher taxation on alcohol and tobacco. This will bear heavily on the poor. The proposal to remove VAT from certain items of foodstuffs conceals the real position because there is to be a higher rate of VAT on everything else. The overall burden of taxation derived from VAT is to be increased. This will benefit the wealthy who spend only a small proportion of their total income on goods subject to VAT. No effort has been made to ease the burden on the poorer sections of the community by spreading the burden of taxation more widely. There is, for example, no tax on capital gains or wealth in general. The taxes I have mentioned, plus higher motor taxes, higher insurance contributions, the large budget deficit, and the financing of the Budget by increased borrowing, are all highly inflationary on their own. In combination, they are extremely dangerous. They will not help the chances of arriving at another less inflationary national wage agreement.

I have listened for the last two days to what has been said about this Finance Bill. The Bill is being discussed as if it alone were responsible for setting the whole economic trend, as if it would or could order the lives of everyone in this community and of industry, agriculture and education. We had people, like Senator Lenihan did yesterday, calculating that the removal of VAT from food would not result in any reduction in the price of food. He was trying to convince the people before him and, perhaps, the people behind him that by some means or another the price of food would increase as a result of the removal of the 5 per cent. Senator Lenihan, I am sure, is not so stupid as not to know that, if you deduct 5 per cent from the price of anything, the price must be less than it would be if the percentage had not been removed.

Inflation is definitely a real problem, but the increase in food prices is something we all anticipated over the last number of years. We cannot attribute this increase to the change of Government. We may attribute it to some degree to the fact that we have joined the Common Market. Senator Brown and others said that the fact that we joined the Common Market was already being regretted by all sections. I do not know what sort of people Senator Browne knows who are in a state of panic about the state of the country and the rate of inflation. I know from the people I meet that they recognise that inflation is definitely a problem, but I do not think there is any great danger that the majority will develop high blood pressure or nervous tension through worry about inflation.

If people like Senator Browne would care to come and meet the ordinary people in rural Ireland they will find that the average man or woman never felt more confident about the future than he or she feels at present, never felt more confident of the markets available to them for their produce, never felt more confident in a Government doing so much to order the world in which they live. Far from changing our minds about having joined the Common Market, I think the average citizen will be forever grateful to men like Deputy Garret FitzGerald, Minister for Foreign Affairs, who did so much to educate us on what lay before us when we became members.

Senators have spoken as if this Bill should order the lives of every individual. That is not the position. The Bill goes a long way to achieve certain hoped for results. We have seen already some of the desired results. Social justice has become a reality. The gap between the income of the deprived and the privileged became less on 1st July. We appreciate that. I do not think that any piece of legislation such as we have before us today will change everything in the country. I do not think that it is legislation like this that orders the lives and future of our citizens. More important than any legislation like this is the leadership given by the Government. That leadership comes from individual Ministers and from our Civil Service. We should be aware that there are many factors which will affect the growth of our economy besides this legislation.

Senator Browne mentioned the fact that we are one of the richest countries in the world. This may be true, but it is also a fact that we are one of the poorest countries in Europe. This is a fact we cannot deny. I would imagine that the leadership given by our Government in the various sectors of Irish life is much more important than the small pieces of legislation or the adjustments of a few pounds here or a few shillings there in a budget of this nature. While these things are important, we should realise that this country has only started on the road to progress.

We should realise, when we are talking about the Common Market and the depression that has resulted from our membership of it in the minds of our people, that the farmers of Ireland have enjoyed an increase of 75 per cent in their income over the past two years. This is an unprecedented increase in the income of any section of our community. If Senator Browne or Senator Lenihan would walk around the towns and villages of rural Ireland they would see the results of this increased wealth in our local community. We must of course be aware that, while this income has inproved the standard of living for the farming community, it has also improved the standard of living for the small shopkeepers, the small industrialists, the people who provide the goods and the services, the people who sell the machinery, the people who provide oil and the people who provide the seeds and manures. All this has created a great boom of activity in rural Ireland.

Instead of counting, as somebody has, the £2.50 increase on agricultural tax, we should look to the vast possibilities available to us to increase production. The activities of the various Ministers and the confidence that the average Irish person has in the Government, will have a far greater effect on the progress of this nation than will something like an increase of 1p an hour, say, in the cost of running a tractor—and one old penny at that— which has been referred to as having a significant tendency towards the increasing of inflation in the country. While we have been debating this Bill perhaps we have laid too much emphasis on some aspects of it.

I should like to take up the point about the increases given to the small farmer in the last few years. While they have got increases they have also had to pay increased prices themselves. A lot was said here today about the farmer. I represent the farmers. I should like Senator McCartin to consider the small shopkeepers. Nobody has been mulcted more than the small shopkeepers. They have been nearly wiped out altogether, and so have the small farmers. We hear that we are getting this and that. I know what we are getting. How is it coming back to the small farmer? Everything he got in the last ten years is taken off him by taxation. The small farmer trying to rear a family on 30 or 40 acres cannot make a living. Neither can the small shopkeeper. His is eaten up by big monopolies. Every Member of the House knows that. When Senators stand up here to speak, they should speak the truth. This is the truth. When a big farm is being sold the Land Commission take it over. They set it for ten years until it is worn out. The big man with the money then walks in and buys it, when it should be divided among the small farmers. If this were done our farmers could prosper. Farms are left idle for years. There are many hardy young men in my area who have to leave the land and go into industry because the Government of the day will not divide the land and give it to them. If there are to be prospects in agriculture you must give the small farmer's son land enough to live on so that he can get married young and rear a family. The big man is getting richer and the poor man is getting poorer. I am speaking on behalf of the small farmers. Senator McCartin spoke on behalf of the small shopkeepers. They are being run out of business and so are the small farmers by our own neglect.

The land is there. The men are there to work it. They are not given the opportunity to work it. I would ask the Taoiseach today to take up the matter with the Land Commission. There is plenty of land lying idle all over the country. It is taken over and set for years. The big man grows crops on it for ten years then it is given to the small farmer. When the land is there why not divide it among the small farmers? Some small farmers are married and are trying to rear big families. They are anxious to work but they cannot get the work. I do not wish to take up the time of the House but I must raise this problem on behalf of the small farmers.

The man who has to drive 15 miles to work each morning is getting nothing for his car. The big director is allowed £2,500 on his car. The man who has to drive a car 12 or 14 miles to work gets no allowance on his income tax. These are the people we should be looking after. These are the people who will make this country what we expect it will be in about 20 or 30 years. They have to buy a car to get to their jobs. They have to pay for petrol and for the upkeep of the car. They have to pay income tax on top of that. The big director is in a different category and he can get an allowance of £2,500. There should be equality. When the elections come up we are all backing the small man. When elections are over we all forget the small man. I urge the Government to think of the small farmer who wants land to work so that he will not have to go to England to find work. Divide big farms and let him marry and rear his family. Give him the land at a reasonable price. Then you will have an Ireland worthy of the name. People died to keep the land for our own people.

This debate, as is customary on a Finance Bill, has ranged over a wide area affecting economic, social and other matters. I wish to deal as adequately as possible with the various points that have been raised but I think it is necessary at the outset to have a look at some of the principal factors which affect the economy. I sympathise with a number of Senators including Senator Alyward, but I know he will appreciate that, no matter how anxious the Government are to fulfil their programme, and to complete the policy we have set out to implement, many of the ills he has mentioned have been with us for a long time. Indeed, some of the criticism he expressed might more appropriately have been directed elsewhere. I fully appreciate the concern which he has expressed and the anxiety which he and other Senators have shown in respect of so many sections of the community.

This budget particularly as set out in the Finance Bill is implementing the undertakings precisely to do what the last Senator mentioned, that is, to look after the most needy sections, to assist those most in need and to cater for those groups in the community who need to be helped by the State through social welfare and other payments of a social welfare character.

In addition, the budget set out and the Finance Bill is geared to expand the economy and to increase production. The figures for the last few years show that the growth rate of the economy for the three years, 1970 to 1972, averaged only 3 per cent. It is anticipated that the growth rate this year, ending in mid-1974, will be higher than that. This upturn in the economic growth rate has been accompanied by a substantial rise in consumer demand. The value of retail sales for the first four months of this year increased by 18 per cent while the number of new private cars registered rose by over 30 per cent in the period January to May.

As many Senators have pointed out, the economy of the country depends to a large extent on an increase in exports. Exports in the first six months of the year rose in value by about 35 per cent. Tourist receipts have also increased. It was in those circumstances that the Government decided to stimulate the economy further by providing substantial sums on both capital and current account. Senator Yeats referred to the fact that the Finance Bill and the budget did nothing in this regard. I must refer him to the figures in the Capital Budget which are quite significant. The Capital Budget shows that this year the public capital programme has been set at a level of £305 million. This is an increase of £56 million or nearly 23 per cent as compared with the expenditure in 1972-73. If Irish Shipping is excluded and the air companies, most of the finance for which comes from foreign borrowing abroad, the programme represents an increase of 27 per cent over that for last year. It is well to indicate the support for this policy which was expressed in the recent Irish Banking Review Quarterly which adverted to this and said that the budget was socially progressive and made a significant contribution to helping the deprived sections of society which are also the groups which have been most affected by the exceptionally high inflation of recent times.

In addition, that article quoted, at page 5, an OECD survey of the Irish economy which was published before the budget and in which it recommended in favour of a stimulus to the economy. It favoured faster rates of public expenditure as the appropriate means of stimulus. The OECD report regarded higher public expenditure as more effective than tax concessions or monetary expansion because it can be applied more selectively and has a greater initial impact on domestic output in employment.

As an indication of the progressive nature of the Government's spending in this regard, it can be seen that there is an increase of £21 million in respect of housing and ancillary services, an increase of £3½ million for educational buildings, an increase of £11 million for agriculture and an increase of £9 million for industry. All of those increases are in line with the recommendations of the OECD which the Government decided on as the most beneficial and practical method of stimulating the economy. The estimated current expenditure for 1973-74 stands at some £130 million above its level in the last fiscal year. At the same time the capital expenditure has been increased.

I think it is true to say, as some Senators have said, that there is a risk that we may have endeavoured and may be trying to go too far. At any rate the money is being provided in the areas in which on any assessment, including the remarks of Senators on all sides of the House and supported and endorsed by the OECD commentary published before the budget and by the commentary in the Irish Banking Review for June which advocate and support the items of expenditure which have been decided upon in the budget, it is most needed. In addition, this year—while there has been some small increase in motor taxation—there is an additional subvention of £2.4 million over and above that provided previously direct to the Road Fund for the purpose of road works and road improvements.

The financing of these large sums has been so arranged that the net borrowing of £193 million is some £72 million above that for 1972-73. Senator Yeats adverted to the fact that it was unjustified this year to run a budget deficit of £40 million. Compared with last year's budget, allowing for the expansion in public expenditure and the increase in the size of the budget, the £40 million projected deficit this year proportionately resembles and is similar to the budget deficit of last year. The Government approach to the economy and to the management of our economic and financial affairs does not tend to be either inhibited or overcautious. We are also watchful for any unwanted side effects. The development of imports and consumption is a possible source of danger. The increased pace of economic activity has, naturally, attracted higher imports. It is gratifying to note—and I think this is important—that the major increase was in materials for further production and that imports of capital goods have also risen substantially.

So far as consumer demand is concerned, it is estimated that between January and April of this year it grew in volume by 6½ per cent. A certain increase is welcome because it indicates a rise in living standards and it also means that people are consuming and purchasing goods of one character or another, but the disquieting factor— and this is one to which many Senators referred—is the incidence of inflation and the continued rise in prices. We should be quite clear and specific about this. Price rises are affected by a variety of interacting factors. Some of these price rises are within the domestic control of the Government but the majority are outside the control of any Government and are involved in the general situation resulting from the obligation and need to purchase goods and supplies from abroad.

Senators in the Fianna Fáil Party criticised the decision to remove VAT from food. However, there was one exception—Senator Keegan wanted VAT not only removed from food but even from the items which were being retained in it, such as biscuits and less essential foods. If we are to maintain our standard of living and maintain a modern economy by importing the necessary materials such as oil and essential supplies, we must pay prevailing world prices. There is no alternative method to that as yet. It is ludicrous to suggest that we can maintain our present standard of living and isolate ourselves and, as Senator Browne suggested, live in some kind of isolated Utopia where everyone would do the proper thing in all circumstances. This is not possible as we have inherited this State as it exists today. There is no advantage in quotng Marx or Stalin. One might as well quote what Brian Boru said in Clontarf. We must deal with the economic situation as we find it. We never claimed we could isolate ourselves and it would not be a good thing for the economy to isolate ourselves from world events. We have joined the EEC because we believe it offers the best prospects. It is not perfect. We have joined an arrangement which is already in being and which has existed for a considerable time.

The first reflection of our entry was the substantial rise in cattle and other prices in anticipation of this country joining the EEC. In so far as the Government are concerned we are endeavouring to deal with the factors within our control, to try to moderate the incidence of inflation and as a contribution to that we decided to remove VAT from food. That is a significant contribution and one designed to help those persons least able to look after themselves. These are persons with large families, the aged, the sick, widows and orphans. The increases in children's allowances, in social welfare payments, the improvements in the means test, the improvements in social assistance, the transfer of part of the charge in respect of rates from the county councils and local authorities to the Central Fund, are all designed to assist the economy. The decision to remove VAT from food is in line with these.

There is another important element in this which a number of Senators may have overlooked, that is, that it is a contributing factor in securing a new national agreement. It has been recognised that the national wage agreements have avoided the worst effects of price rises and have endeavoured to secure some uniformity of changes in wage structures and salary adjustments and also to assist, as far as is possible to do so, the weaker sections in the community.

While it would be a mistake to imagine that all the changes that have taken place have been due to the changes in respect of food, there is a justification for the decision based on a few simple facts for removing VAT from food. The calculation in respect of the removal of VAT was given by me in introducing the Second Stage. It is estimated at 0.5 per cent on the consumer price index. This figure emerges as a result of detailed calculation on the various items entering into the base of the index. As Senators are aware, food has a high rating in the base and indicates the importance of food as a reflection of the actual outgoings in the average household budget. A few Senators spoke about fridges, household furniture, clothing, shoes, et cetera. It is true that all these items enter into it but food is the important element. Food is a daily necessity.

To listen to some Senators one would imagine that the only items people needed were fridges, washing machines or other similar articles. These are usually purchased once in a lifetime by the average household. There is little use in having a fridge if you have nothing to put into it and no one suggested buying a fridge in which to store paraffin oil. We operated on the principle that food was the most essential item and the one that figured largely in the household budget survey. Although that survey was carried out six or seven years ago, the general pattern of expenditure that was reflected in that survey would not have varied greatly. It would probably show that the trend in all of these surveys is that, as people advanced in the economic scale and as living standards rise, a lower proportion is spent on food. Senators on all sides reflect the common experience that the poorer sections of the community, pensioners, persons with large families and those in need of assistance are those who spend most on food and are those who are affected most by a rise in food prices.

The Minister for Finance in the course of a recent reply to a Parliamentary question which is contained in Volume 266, Official Report, 20th June, gave full details as to how this calculation is made. Apart from these particular changes which I have mentioned, the VAT changes will have a net impact on the consumer price index of the reduction I mention. Some taxation increases are unavoidable. A number of Senators want us to do everything—to remove death duties, reduce income tax and to increase social welfare allowances, provided we do not ask anyone to raise the money to pay for these concessions or to pay more in taxes. It cannot be done. We have endeavoured to take the most needy cases first, to deal with them as was done in the budget and in the Social Welfare Act, to stimulate the economy by providing incentives and assistance in respect of building and development work and to deal with the other matters which were regarded as contributing to the general development of the economy and to the expansion and stimulation of economic development both in agriculture and industry.

We are especially concerned, as a Government, to see that the price increases which occur will be as small as possible. To that extent, the Minister for Industry and Commerce recently made a number of orders; the scope of these orders has been published and details are available to those interested. Broadly, they are designed to lengthen the period of time by which applications for price changes must be notified in advance. In addition, the profit margins in respect of wholesalers and retailers have been reduced. They mark, I believe, a significant extension of price control and are accompanied by a substantial increase in the number of inspectors and other staff employed in the Prices Section of the Department of Industry and Commerce.

Some Senators advocated that we should have done nothing about food and allow a free-for-all to develop. In those circumstances, the people who would suffer most are the poor, those with large families and the families whose incomes are lower and who, consequently, spend a greater proportion of their incomes on the essentials of life. We are endeavouring to ensure that the broad general trend of economic policy will be so directed and guided by the initiative which the Government and individual Ministers have taken in collaboration with — because it is illusory to imagine that this is solely a Government operation or an operation by one or other Government Minister — employers and trade unions. It is for that reason that we were concerned to see that there would be no breach of the national wage agreement. In pursuance of that, we indicated our clear order of priorities and our concern that, in the discussions that will be taking place over the next few months, the changes in respect of value-added tax and other changes produced in the budget will contribute to that end.

We, naturally, expect that excessive price increases do not occur. We expect firms to absorb, as far as possible, through increased productivity, increased costs whether for labour or non-labour items. The National Prices Commission lay special emphasis on the principle when considering applications for price increases. There is, therefore, a clear obligation on both management and employees to ensure that the potential for improving productivity is fully exploited. The action taken by the Minister for Industry and Commerce has had and, I hope, will contribute to having some effect, but price changes in the main are not ones that can be dealt with either quickly or on a once-and-for-all basis. The indications are that between the period from November, 1972, to February, 1973, the consumer price index showed an increase of 5.5 points while the index for mid-May, compared to mid-February of this year, showed an increase of 4.4 points. I do not suggest that that change is significant but it is at least a move in the right direction.

It has been the experience in Europe in recent years that there is an annual price rise of up to 8 per cent. This country has had probably one of the severest rates of price rises in any of the countries of the EEC as well as the OECD. We are endeavouring to curtail it. It is for this reason that the Minister made the orders concerned and that he has had discussions with the Prices Commission. For that reason also it was decided to establish a National Consumer Advisory Council. This council will be consulted in regard to any future legislation on these matters. So far as wages and salaries are concerned, the changes in recent years have been guided by the national wage agreements. The fact that the Government were committed to this has been indicated clearly in the action we took in respect of a number of recent pieces of legislation, including the salaries of Senators and Deputies and public servants generally. The agreements reflect, I believe, the collective decisions by the vast majority of Irish workers and employers and it is in the national interest that they should be maintained and supported by everybody and not undermined by sectional interests.

We favour the voluntary negotiation of a further national wage agreement. Such an agreement, like the previous agreements, should facilitate an orderly development of incomes with the minimum of disturbance in the achievement of the important social aim of improving the position of the lower paid workers. It is correct to say that it is doubtful if this aim could be achieved outside the framework of national agreements. The decisions, therefore, to be arrived at over the next few months — whether there will be a third national pay agreement and if so what form it will take — have vital implications for economic growth, for employment, for prices and for industrial relations. The decisions will affect the economy as a whole and the standard of living of all sections. The Government are prepared to play a constructive role in arriving at these decisions in order to ensure that a satisfactory arrangement will be reached.

In this regard the management of monetary policy will require care and continuous review in order to maintain a reasonable balance between the various diverse forces at work in the economy. Last year a number of Senators spoke about this matter. In that year the total amount of bank credit increased by £320 million. I think it is a fair assumption that the effects of this exceptionally large increase have yet to work their way through the economy. The indications are, and Senator Yeats referred to this, that the decision of the Central Bank last February to moderate the rate of credit expansion sufficiently to meet the reasonable needs this year of the public and private sectors is probably now having an effect. The emphasis in that decision was to provide credit for projects designed to improve productive capacity and to increase our export potential.

The annual report of the Central Bank, which was published recently, indicates how credit policy has been and will be operated to the national advantage in terms of production and employment. The continuation of the fluctuating interest rates and the high level of interest are in themselves a problem. It is a source of concern to us. It must be recognised that in this regard the matters referred to were not immune to international movements and interest rates.

High interest rates are part of the price that must be paid for inflation. It is doubtful if significantly low rates can be expected as long as inflation here and in other countries continues at the present level. It is naturally one of the problems which causes concern to the Government and to all those who are obliged to apply or seek credit for development or one type or another. The fact that interest rates have fluctuated at very frequent intervals and quite sharply is only an in-dictation or, indeed, a manifestation of the particular problem.

In this country we cannot isolate ourselves from that. There is no all-powerful solution or all-embracing remedy that any one can apply. We are part of the sterling area. We are now bound up with the European Economic Community and there is no way out of sharing in the disadvantages as well as the advantages of these arrangements. On the other hand, it is correct to say, and it is important that the country as a whole should understand, that our external reserve position is strong. While the reserves have fallen somewhat in the last few months, this is in line with the normal seasonal trend. It is not anticipated for the year as a whole that there will much change. The international monetary scene continues to be set by a number of uncertainties and difficulties arising from economic and financial problems.

This is one of the reasons why interest rates have to be varied rapidly. These have generated massive movements of funds across the exchange market with consequent further destabilising effects. At the same time, we are lucky in that the one relationship of our pound with the pound sterling is providing us with a stable exchange rate environment for the greater part of our trade and payments. Efforts to find a solution to the many international monetary problems have, for some time now, been under the aegis of the committee of twenty. The Minister for Finance has recently attended with other Finance Ministers the meeting in Washington where discussions and proposals to deal with, or at least minimise, the worst effects of this situation were decided upon.

In the course of this debate a number of Senators raised individual points on the Bill. I will endeavour to deal with some of them. Others may arise more specifically on individual sections. Senators Quinlan and Higgins expressed some criticism of the narrowness of the scope of section 21 of the Bill, which provides for tax relief for payments to universities for research into specified projects, particularly the fact that it was limited to industrial relations and marketing. The reason for mentioning these two is that there are concrete proposals by industrial concerns to make payments towards the endowment of chairs for the purpose of research into and the teaching of these subjects in one of the universities. If proposals by traders to put up money for the endowment of chairs in other subjects are put forward, the Minister can approve these for the purpose of the section and tax relief will follow.

I understand the Minister has undertaken to consider this question if concrete proposals for payments to such bodies are made. Senator Quinlan, at the same time, welcomed, as did Senator Higgins, the proposals so far as the claw-back in respect of children's allowances are concerned. It is important to clarify one aspect of it. Senator Lenihan said those over £2,500 lose. This is not correct. Nobody loses. What happens is that those with net incomes above £2,500 do not gain. The purpose of this was to ensure that the social welfare increases would go only to those with net incomes below £2,500.

I think it is significant that some 359,000 families will be given increased allowances and, of these, only about 40,000 families will have the increased benefit taken back. This particular method of claw-back is not new. It was brought in originally in 1969 to take back increases in the allowances given at that time. On that occasion the claw-back applied to all income-tax payers regardless of size of income. There was no differentiation in favour of those with lower incomes. The claw-back in this case applies to a limited number and only to those with net incomes above the figure I have mentioned.

The debate also raised the question of giving relief in respect of cars used by workers going to and from work. The existing rules provide for relief in respect of expenses incurred wholly, exclusively and necessarily in the performance of the duties of employment. This would cover the use of a car in the course of exercising the employment but would not cover the expense of getting to and from work.

Senators will appreciate that if any exemption were to be made in a case like this, relief should also be given to persons who use any other form of transport, CIE or some other form and, indeed, some remarks were made by Senator Browne about the fact that workers were not assisted. At the present time the CIE subsidy is running at over £12 million a year. I remember on the last occasion I had to do with this, the subsidy ran at an average of about £1½ million a year and then went up to £2 million. People thought then it was the end of the world. It is now running at six times that. In those circumstances any question of increasing the amount of the subsidy naturally must cause concern and must be looked at very carefully.

As far as death duties are concerned — there has been a good deal of discussion about this — it was made quite clear that estate duties would be abolished but replaced by an alternative form of taxation. I do not think anybody is really impressed by the concern expressed by some Senators in this regard. I listened with great care to Fianna Fáil Senators on this matter just as I remember that the Fianna Fáil campaign in the course of the recent election produced a promise at the last moment to abolish rates. Senators will remember that——

On dwelling houses.

On dwelling houses. I was coming to that. I have here a White Paper published last November. A White Paper is normally the culmination of a long period of gestation by everybody concerned before it is produced. It indicates what is always described as careful study and anxious consideration. This was published in November last. On page 10 it said:

The Government have come to the conclusion that only the local rates satisfies the criteria referred to above...

These are a number of criteria including the headings, the rating system, the need for local taxation.

... and that the real issue is not the abolition of the rating system (with all the consequences this would involve for local financial independence and, indeed, for the taxpayer) but the reform of the system so as to eliminate its undoubted defects.

That was in November, when the going was getting rough in the course of the general election.

I listened to Senator Lenihan talk here about promises discrediting democracy. No one has greater experience than Fianna Fáil of making broken promises. In the middle of the election the then Taoiseach held a Press conference and I quote:

The Taoiseach, last night, countered the Coalition's criticism of the Government's proposals to abolish rates on all dwellings and spend £30 million on social welfare. The basic difference between the Government's proposals and the Coalition is that our proposals are practical and realistic and will be put into effect.

There was a promise, signed days before polling day, to abolish rates on houses in direct contrast with the published White Paper, even if it had a blue cover, that was issued in the previous November. There was then no talk of an election — it was not even on the horizon. That was a firm commitment published by the Government after full consideration. It went on:

The specific steps proposed to reform the rating system are set out in the following chapters ...

Not one chapter but a half book of them to reform the rating system. There was a promise made that everyone knew could not be fulfilled, a promise that was new to Fianna Fáil policy. The only other thing that discredited democracy more in this country were the events of a little over three years ago which I need not recall. They did more damage to democracy in this country than anything said during the general election by anybody on behalf of the two parties that comprise this Government. That is not the full story. On the same night that happened, the Taoiseach went to Kilkenny and the way it is put in The Irish Press is: “Lynch Hint on Death Duties.” This is a nod being as good as a wink to a voter so close to elections. It stated:

Mr. Lynch is to have talks on Monday ...

Monday was two days before polling, which was on the Wednesday.

We are not making a mere election promise. We really will do this thoroughly and sincerely.

After that, the then Minister for Agriculture and Fisheries, Deputy Gibbons, said he was glad to hear the Taoiseach refer to death duties and went on:

I know the anxieties that farmers have on this and if the Taoiseach says he is going to examine it that is fine.

Prior to that, after the Minister had welcomed the Taoiseach, the Taoiseach said that he was the finest Minister for Agriculture the country had ever had. We saw recognition of that last week. The new way of dealing with people in Fianna Fáil is if you do not want to promote them or demote them, you put them on to a committee and they do not know whether they have been promoted or demoted.

We are committed to bringing in a White Paper on this matter, to examine all the problems and to see how a more acceptable system could be introduced. I think it is worth mentioning that eight years ago the then Fianna Fáil Minister for Finance ended the system under which up to that time many of the persons who would become liable for death duties took out insurance policies. Up to that time the insurance policy was not aggregable with the rest of the estate. Under the Finance Act, 1965, for the first time, it was aggregable with the rest of the estate, and, instead of being used to offset or lighten the burden, it increased the total assets of the person involved.

We have made a start in this Finance Bill to ease that. On this occasion, for the first time, an insurance policy of £7,500 is available to ease the problem. We do not say that this has met all our aims but this is the first time the parties publicly committed themselves, after examining it, to an undertaking to do it. It secured response all round, including this very dramatic response of the then Government of the time. I believe that people recognise that we are moving as fast as it is possible to do so. It is not possible to do everything in one budget. I believe that the steps that have been taken are moves in the right direction, they are moves to ease some of the problems, and the particular changes already made so far as a widow and three children are concerned relieve an estate completely up to £42,000 and there are certain other easements in other categories.

I want to refer to the problem of mining, which has been raised by a number of Senators. Here again, I think the public memory may be short but one would not expect the memories of Senators to be quite as short. Mining is a highly speculative business. Many years ago this country provided assistance in a number of ways but mainly by an Exchequer subsidy to a State mining company. I am sure Senators remember that the principal company involved operated at Avoca in Wicklow. Because of the speculative nature of mining, the difficulty of finding ore and segregating one type of ore from another, the fluctuation in the world price of the minerals and so on, all impacted on the operation. Periodically, there had to be, not merely an annual Estimate, but very often Supplementary Estimates in the Dáil to keep the mine open.

In 1956 the Government of which I was a member, under the guidance of the late Gerard Sweetman, introduced for the first time tax concessions, and the late William Norton, as Minister for Industry and Commerce, introduced other legislation, so that incentives are provided such as tax remissions in respect of exports. As a result of that, for the first time this country experienced a mining boom. It is in the light of those circumstances that the people are now concerned at the fact that substantial profits appear to be made. I think it is important to realise that, first of all, 70 per cent of all the minerals are vested in the State and all the other minerals can if necessary be acquired by the State.

It is, of course, operating from hindsight, in this case, I believe, a hindsight that does not take into account all the factors. Up to 1956 there was no mineral exploration here except a few existing coal mining operations and the case of Avoca. Since then, as a result of these two major changes, one introduced by the late Gerard Sweetman and the other by the late William Norton, there was a massive expansion in development of exploration. In the main, this has been carried out entirely by Irishmen. The most successful operation is conducted by an Irishman and his associates who went abroad and learned the technique and came back here to apply it, and expand employment.

As a result of the very substantial expansion in mining development an inter-Departmental committee have sat and reported and certain changes may be contemplated. It is well to recall that were it not for those legislative changes there would be virtually no mineral development. If some firms appear to have made substantial profits, they have also provided good employment and attracted to this country capital from abroad that is needed. I know that the Seanad would welcome that approach. This is a matter that will be considered and the interDepartmental committee reports are already being examined to see what changes are necessary.

I know that Senators have been sitting here for a considerable length of time. The other Stages of this Bill will have to be completed this evening. I have no desire to delay the Seanad any longer than is necessary except to say that, if there are any specific points I have overlooked, I will endeavour, in consultation with the Minister for Finance, who will be dealing with the other Stages, to get individual replies to Senators who raised them so that Senators will not feel their comments have been overlooked. In reply to a general debate it is not possible to deal individually with all the queries raised, some of which may arise on later Stages of the Bill.

Question put and agreed to.

I should like to ask the House if they wish to suspend the sitting for a few minutes and if there are likely to be any recommendations.

I suggest we should proceed straightaway to the Committee Stage, if that is agreeable.

We do not recommend either that we break or that we put in recommendations.

Agreed to take remaining Stages today.

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