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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 15 Nov 1973

Vol. 76 No. 2

Courts Bill, 1973: Second and Subsequent Stages.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

This short Bill provides for an increase from six to seven in the statutory number of ordinary judges of the High Court and contains a provision relating to the qualifications for appointment as Circuit Court judge.

Recent years have seen a very substantial increase in the volume of business in the High Court. Also, for over a year now the time of one High Court judge has been occupied with sittings of the Special Criminal Court and this will continue while the Special Criminal Court lasts. These factors have resulted in the growth of serious arrears and there are now approximately 1,000 cases awaiting hearing in the High Court. Very long delays are also being experienced—at present it takes about 12 months before a jury action set down for hearing comes up for trial.

This is the background to the proposal in section 1 of the Bill to increase the number of High Court judges by one. The Government are satisfied that the normal increase which can be expected in the business of the High Court will ensure that the additional judge will be fully occupied even after sittings of the Special Criminal Court cease. I may say also that the appointment of an additional judge will mean that the recent assignment of one of the judges to the inquiry into security announced by the Taoiseach will not have the effect of worsening the present situation in regard to the business of the court.

The purpose of section 2 of the Bill is to provide that a person who is for the time being a "temporary" Circuit Court judge will be specifically qualified for appointment as a permanent judge or for further appointment as a temporary judge. The necessity for this section arises from the fact that the provisions relating to the qualifications for appointment as a permanent or "temporary" Circuit Court judge specify that the person to be appointed must be a practising barrister at the date of appointment— or, in the case of a permanent appointment, a barrister district justice. A person already acting as a "temporary" Circuit judge may not be capable of being regarded as a practising barrister and may not therefore come strictly within the qualification provisions I have mentioned.

Section 2 of the Bill removes any doubt that exists by providing that for the purpose of the relevant qualification provisions service as a "temporary" Circuit Court judge shall be deemed practice at the Bar. In the past a number of "temporary" Circuit Court judges have been given either permanent or further temporary appointments and to remove any possible doubt that may be thought to exist in relation to these appointments, section 2 provides that service as a "temporary" Circuit Court judge shall be deemed always to have been practice at the Bar both in relation to appointments to the present Circuit Court and appointments to the former Circuit Court of Justice which existed prior to 1961. Subsection (1) deals with the appointments made to the former Circuit Court of Justice and subsection (2) deals with appointments to the present Circuit Court.

I may say that this is not the first time that legislation similar to section 2 has been necessary. In the early days of our courts it was found that a High Court judge had been appointed to the Supreme Court at a time when there was no statutory provision specifically allowing such an appointment. Section 6 of the Courts of Justice Act was enacted to remedy that situation and, like section 2 of the Bill, was framed so as to have retrospective effect. Later it was found that judges of the Supreme Court were not specifically qualified for appointment as President of the High Court and to provide for the possibility of such an appointment a suitable provision was inserted in the Courts (Supplemental Provisions) Act, 1961.

Regrettably, the High Court is not the only court in which there are arrears. As Senators will, no doubt, be aware there is an equally serious situation in the Circuit Court, particularly in Dublin where the increase in criminal business has been very substantial. The question of what permanent increase should be made in the number of Circuit Court judges to enable that court to cope with the present volume of business is being examined. Pending the outcome of this examination, an additional temporary judge has been appointed for a period of one year. This increases the number of Circuit Court judges, whether permanent or temporary from 11 to 12.

I should like, finally, to emphasise my very real concern about the arrears situation in the High Court and the Circuit Court. I regard the delays that are currently being experienced as intolerable and as a source of great injustice and hardship to the community. I do not, of course, regard the appointment of the extra judges I have mentioned as the full solution. Obviously there is a very great deal that can be done and should be done to streamline procedures and to improve the organisation and structures of the courts.

The Committee on Court Practice and Procedure, to whom we must all be indebted for the amount of work they have done and continue to do, have made numerous, valuable recommendations in this area and I am arranging that the many recommendations of this committee that have not yet been acted upon will be examined as a matter of priority in my Department. The subject is a complex one and does not admit of an instant solution: if such a solution existed I would have adopted it before this. However, I should like to assure Senators that the finding of a satisfactory long term solution is something that I, as Minister for Justice, intend will be given urgent attention.

This short Bill is an essential interim measure in dealing with the problem and I recommend it to Senators.

I have pleasure in extending a welcome to this Bill which makes provision for an extra judge in the High Court. As the Minister has stated, he will also be making extra appointments and has in fact made such an appointment in the Circuit Court. I welcome any measure which will help to dispose of the very serious backlog of cases in both the High Court and the Circuit Court.

The Department of Finance have objected to the provision of extra judges because of the cost involved, but people do not realise the cost involved in time and money because cases cannot be heard on the day they are first listed and because of the adjournment of cases. This results in a great loss of time on the part of litigants, of expert witnesses and ordinary witnesses who are called for these cases which cannot be heard and who have to return again and again. There is great cost in time and money resulting from the shortage of judges and the adjournment of cases.

The cost to the State in providing a few extra judges is nothing compared to the cost to the ordinary citizen which has resulted over the years and in particular in the present time due to the shortage of judges in the High Court and in the Circuit Court. I am pleased the Minister is appointing an extra High Court judge and he has appointed an extra temporary Circuit Court judge, and according to his introductory speech today he intends to examine the possibility of appointing extra Circuit Court judges.

It should be pointed out that part of the reason why there is such a backlog of cases is that ordinary negligence cases are heard before a jury. This means that cases are very much longer than if they were heard before a judge alone. On average, a case which normally takes two days in the High Court with a jury would almost certainly be finished in one day before a judge; a three-day case would certainly be finished in two days. Because we still have juries in civil actions, cases take much longer. This means that fewer cases go through the courts and the number of judges who are available can get through fewer cases. It is not merely the fact of having juries that cases take longer: there is the additional complication that juries very often bring in findings which lead to dissatisfaction and which result in appeals to the Supreme Court. The result very often is another trial in the High Court. Again this means taking up extra time and adds to the backlog of cases which exists at the present time.

In addition to that, although it is not strictly relevant to what we are discussing, the presence of juries means that the costs are very much higher because very often there are appeals and new trials. The jury system has contributed to the problem we are considering here today and it has added to the cost of litigation. In my view juries for civil actions are quite unnecessary except in cases of defamation or probate actions. For the ordinary runningdown, factory accident or negligence, actions, juries are quite unnecessary. In the United Kingdom they were discarded many years ago and they have managed quite well without them. We could do the same here.

There are different views on this, but a very wide body of opinion in legal circles believes that the jury system is outmoded and could be discarded without doing any harm to the hearing of cases in the High Court. Although this is something that nothing can be done about under the Bill before us, I hope the Minister, when he is examining the legal system as he has promised to do, will consider this question and have regard to the views which have been expressed on many occasions.

The Minister has told us that this is an interim measure, that he is examining the Reports of the Committee on Court Procedure and that he hopes in due course to take some action in regard to recommendations that may be made to him. Consequently it is not appropriate today to talk about the many methods by which procedure could be streamlined and improved. From what the Minister has said I take it he will be introducing in due course another Bill to deal with the recommendations that will be made to him. I therefore do not propose to deal with anything other than the points which I have mentioned.

Senator Ryan has contributed from an expert knowledge of one branch of the legal profession. I speak as a member of the other branch. I do not wish to discuss the question of juries in civil actions—it does not arise on this Bill: as Senator Ryan has pointed out, it is a question on which there are different views. Even in his own branch of the legal profession there are those who would argue very strongly against the point of view which was expressed by Senator Ryan.

Leaving aside the question of delays which might be caused by reason of the jury system, I would share fully the views expressed by Senator Ryan with regard to the frustrations and hidden cost which is incurred annually on account of the delays encountered in having cases heard in the High Court. The only practical way of solving that difficulty is by increasing the number of judges on the bench.

This Bill is providing for that and I hope that by so doing it will help to eliminate some of the delays. From the point of view of solicitors engaged in court practice, there is nothing more frustrating than to have to make arrangements for the attendance of witnesses not merely from the city of Dublin but possibly from elsewhere in the country and from time to time the attendance of witnesses from abroad. Senator Ryan will agree with me that in special cases where difficulties are encountered because witnesses have to travel long distances, very often the courts will endeavour to facilitate the parties by having a special date fixed. Leaving aside cases which are specially fixed for hearing on a particular day, when the situation arises that there are possibly a dozen cases in the jury list one does not know from day to day how many judges will be available to hear jury actions. Both counsel, and more particularly solicitors, engaged in the cases have the frustrating experience of having to secure the attendance of their witnesses on the basis that the case may be heard on a particular day but knowing at the same time that it is quite possible for one reason or another that they may have to hold the witnesses in attendance in court on a day-to-day basis. This Bill will go some distance to alleviate the problem that exists at the moment.

There is a further point I should like to make in relation to the Bill in connection with section 2. The fact that section 2 had to be included in this Bill shows once again how necessary it is for Members on all sides of both Houses of the Oireachtas to scrutinise legislation as minutely as possible. Here we have a situation where it is at least on the cards that it could be argued that a number of Circuit Court judges were not, in fact—legally speaking—qualified for appointment at the time of appointment. There is no suggestion that they were not fully qualified in the professional sense or fully able to undertake the work, but merely on a technicality, a temporary Circuit Court judge, who was made a permanent Circuit Court judge, by reason of the fact that he had been acting in a temporary capacity might not have been regarded as practising at the Bar. On that technicality there would at least be doubt as to his qualification for appointment as permanent Circuit Court judge. I merely mention the matter because it emphasises once again the necessity for minute scrutiny of legislation that might be regarded by many people as formal legislation.

I want to thank Senators for their views and for their welcome for this Bill. As Senator Ryan has properly pointed out, it is narrow in its scope. It seeks to do just two things: to increase the personnel of the High Court by one and clear up any doubts that might hang over the appointments in the Circuit Court. As he pointed out, there is much scope for debate on the subject of reform of court procedure so as to streamline or change the present procedure and get rid of some of the delays that bedevil the present position. I am hopeful that the legislation being drafted to implement the Report of the Committee on Court Practice and Procedure on the jurisdiction of the Master will go a considerable way towards that end. When that legislation comes before the House, I will welcome a full debate on it, with Senators' views and ideas as to how further improvements might be made in that whole area.

The question of juries, too, is a matter that gives rise to conflicting views. The last quasi-official view available to me is that expressed in the current interim report of the Committee on Court Practice and Procedure. That report was in favour of retaining juries in the High Court in civil cases, unless it could be shown that the retention would cause injustice. It might be the time now for that committee to look at that particular aspect of that report again, in view of the fact that it is alleged that the retention of juries is contributing seriously to the delays. There is no doubt that the delays in the High Court and in any court give rise to injustice. I am aware of the wide divergence of opinions as to the need for having juries in the High Court and of the arguments for and against. This is something that we may have to debate, and we could possibly debate it when we are considering the legislation which I hope to bring in for the reform of procedure, via the Master's jurisdiction.

Senator O'Higgins emphasised the need for constant and careful scrutiny by both Houses from all sides of Bills coming before them. An apparently innocuous small subsentence in the Courts of Justice Act of 1924 is now rearing its ugly head by throwing some doubt on the validity of certain appointments on the Circuit Court Bench. It goes to emphasise, too, the importance of the draftsmen. Sometimes we suffer frustrations by the delays in legal drafting, when we know there is an urgent social problem to be tackled. We are perhaps under pressure from all sides: "Why do you not bring in a Bill to change it?" I wish it were as simple as that. Very often the changes which appear simple, and are obviously desirable and clearly urgent, just cannot be introduced instantly because there may be the legal consequences from the changes that have to be examined and sifted in great detail and the actual drafting of the change has to be done extremely carefully. The situation in which we find ourselves in regard to this measure highlights that. There is a doubt; how strong the doubt is is something that we could argue about, but rather than leave it there and argue about it, I decided to take the opportunity of the introduction of this Bill to remove it. I am obliged to the Seanad for their assistance.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
Bill put through Committee, reported without amendment, received for final consideration and passed.
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