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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 13 Feb 1974

Vol. 77 No. 1

Private Business. - Adjournment Debate: National Library Map Collections.

I am grateful for the opportunity to raise this matter on the Adjournment, namely, "The fact that the map collections of the National Library are not being made available to members of the public and particularly to scholars." I am glad that the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Education has been able to come into the House to reply to the points that I will make.

The first point I should like to make is that this is not something which happened in the last week, or last month, or last six months. It is something that happened in January, 1973. Therefore, it is over a year since the maps were withdrawn from availability either to the public or to scholars. I should like to begin by referring to a letter which was circulated to each Member of the Oireachtas by the joint staffs of the Geography Departments of University College and my college, Trinity College. This is a good example of university co-operation by joining together to draft the letter. I propose, with your indulgence, to read the terms of the letter on to the record, because it sets out part of the grievance which was felt by these lecturers and part of the serious concern which must be felt by anybody who values learning and values scholarship and values interest in a particular area of scholarship relating to Irish life. The letter which is dated November, 1973 is as follows:

We are writing to draw your attention to the disgraceful state of affairs that exists with regard to the map collections of the National Library of Ireland.

These maps are an essential part of the country's information services and few of them are available in any other Irish library. They are also of the utmost importance to geographical and historical scholarship, contributing directly and indirectly each year to the education of hundreds of university and other students and thousands of school pupils.

Since last January almost all the maps in this great national collection have been totally inaccessible to the public. The reason given by the library authorities for their withdrawal is lack of space, a lack which became critical (the authorities say) when it was noticed that the maps were vulnerable to fire in those parts of the Library where they had been kept for the past sixteen years.

Fortunately, space was found for the maps in the University College building in Earlsfort Terrace. When their new location became known many people assumed that staff would be provided to make the collections available to the public until the Library's permanent accommodation had been enlarged. This has not happened, and there has been no sign that it is going to happen.

It is also widely assumed that room will eventually be found for the maps in an extension to the Library now being built in Kildare Street. According to other sources, however, the whole of this new accommodation has already been earmarked for a different purpose. No official announcement has been made one way or the other on this important point.

There is obviously a pressing need for adequate permanent accommodation to be provided for these maps as soon as possible. It is equally important that some temporary arrangement should be introduced without delay to make the maps available to students in their present repository. Further prolongation of the present sorry state of affairs will merely add to Ireland's reputation as a country incapable of looking after the records of either its past or its present.

Efforts to bring these facts home to the Minister for Education have met with no response beyond a bare acknowledgement. As professors and lecturers in the departments of geography at Trinity College and University College, Dublin, we ask for your active support in these efforts.

There follow the signatures of the members of staff of the Geography Departments of the two colleges.

This is a situation, indeed I would maintain a scandal, which has been the position for over a year and on which there is no terminal date. There is no indication of how long this will be the position. In order to verify just how scandalous the position is I made inquiries in the Department of Geography in Trinity College as to the implication within the college itself. I was informed that there are five students at the moment engaged in dissertations on historical geography who are substantially handicapped in their work this year. There are also research projects which are severely handicapped by the unavailability of these maps. I gather that the position varies from inconvenience to one of a total block on this form of scholarship. Some of these maps are available less conveniently elsewhere, either in the Ordnance Survey authority or in some other venues. Unfortunately the more important of these maps are not necessarily available elsewhere. The National Library have a unique collection. This collection is not now available at all to the public or to scholars.

One ironic factor is that the National Library has a very good catalogue of maps. This has been compiled over the years and it is something of which the library and its staff can be justly proud. But there is no good in having a good map catalogue if the maps themselves are not available. When it was decided in January, 1973, to have the maps transferred to Earlsfort Terrace various questions arose. First of all, it is hard to justify the removal of an entire collection of one type of learning. If there was a problem of space, then surely the less important maps and the less important other items — for instance, books or something else — could have been removed from the National Library but not an entire class of learning.

Secondly, if some of the maps were a fire risk those particular maps could have been either removed to a different part, where they would still be accessible but no longer a fire risk, instead of having all maps from different parts of the library swept away in one stroke.

Thirdly, if some of the maps were a theft risk and were in danger of being stolen, those particular maps could have been better protected. Also a proper determination could have been made that certain important maps, from the point of view of their significance to scholarship and from the point of view of their being solely available in the National Library would at all times be available. None of these factors seems to have been considered when the maps were being removed.

I would maintain that there was a failure in the duty owed to the public on three counts: first of all, the library gave no warning of their intention to remove this collection in January, 1973; no sufficient advance warning to those involved in research projects, to those compiling world atlases, in which we must play our part as a country by itemising the maps which are available; no advance warning to anybody who was planning a project and wanted to use these maps. Foreign students may well have come to Ireland on the understanding they could pursue a course of studies which the unavailability of the collection would prevent. That is the first point: no warning was given of the removal.

Secondly, no adequate explanation was offered by the library at the time to explain their actions; no adequate explanation has been given, despite constant requests, made both to the library and to the Department of Education. There has been a lack of willingness to answer the anxious requests of the Geography Society, of individual scholars, of those who have written letters over the last few months in The Irish Times and other newspapers. That is the second point: that no adequate explanation has been offered.

Thirdly, so far, despite the 13 months which have elapsed, no announcement of specific arrangements has been made to make the maps available in their temporary place. At present, although the maps are physically contained in part of Earlsfort Terrace, there is no provision and apparently no intention to make provision that there would be even a limited access to these maps. One possibility would be that either part-time staff be recruited for the purpose, or that the staff of the library be available at certain times in Earlsfort Terrace to allow properly vouched students, scholars, lecturers and others with a particular interest to see the materials. This would seem to me to be the bare minimum, that bona fide persons who could establish that they had a genuine necessity in their projects or a genuine interest in seeing the particular maps, for the purpose of pursuing their studies, would be allowed to do so at specific times under the supervision of a member of the staff of the library. This has not been possible to date.

Apart from this very minimal improvement of the temporary situation, I think it is necessary that the Government make it very clear what the long-term solution will be. What one would hope to see would be that the Government would undertake that the library would provide a properly equipped map-room — not one shared with other items, such as newspapers and so on — containing tables of a sufficient size to look at these very large bound volumes of maps; that there would be a specialist member of the staff who would be qualified to assist students and scholars in their researches; that there would be open access to maps which are in regular demand, and that all other maps would be available within about an hour, on request; and that the map catalogue would be put to full use in this way.

It is interesting that before 1900 there was a map-room, as such, in the library. It is a sad fact that this is no longer so. In correspondence around that period, where the library were applying for free copies of ordnance survey maps, they referred to their map-room and to the fact that the maps would be kept there. I think we have gone backwards in that we have not had for a very long time a specific map-room, as such; and now we have an excellent catalogue but total inaccessibility of the maps themselves.

Another factor which must not go by default in debating this matter is the sensibilities of the persons concerned: the feelings now of the Geography Society of Ireland, of lecturers in the subject and of students in geography. Their interest is being ignored. We talk about the rights of the minority: the geography departments in the two colleges and those with interests in this specific area know that they are a minority, they know that theirs is a specialised subject. They rightly feel that it is important. We ought to make it clear that any contribution to learning — particularly a contribution which relates very much to Irish life, to our tradition, to our history, to our historical geography — is important. Those involved in it should be encouraged in their studies, should be given a sense that we do appreciate the work that they are doing; that they have the encouragement of our society, particularly of our Government, and of our institutions such as the National Library. They should not be prevented and handicapped; they should be encouraged and facilitated. If we try to give ourselves the reputation of being a country that is concerned with learning, and if we want to get back again the reputation of being an island of saints and scholars, we must be prepared to promote and help much more conscientiously those involved in study and research, and interested members of the public who want to further their knowledge in this particular area.

That, then, is the case I want to make about the map collections. The specific questions that I should like the Parliamentary Secretary to answer are; firstly, is there any definite date which will end this position of inaccessability of the maps stored away in Earlsfort Terrace? Secondly, is there the intention to make a temporary improvement of the situation, even of a less satisfactory nature, by which in supervised conditions, either in Earlsfort Terrace or elsewhere, it will be possible for bona fide students, scholars, researchers, lecturers, who want to use these maps, to avail of them? Thirdly, is there a long-term policy to provide proper accommodation and facilities for these maps? Specifically on that point, is it the intention of the Government to have part of the space in the building in Kildare Street — the Setanta Building — made available for this purpose, or has it, in fact, as those in the geography departments suspect, been entirely allocated for other purposes? Are they, once again, the poor relation? I would welcome specific answers to these specific questions. I would also welcome some explanation or some indication from the Parliamentary Secretary of how this deplorable state of affairs could have been brought about in the first place and in such an abrupt manner, and could have been allowed to continue over 13 months to the detriment of the pursuit of studies in historical geography?

The Senator did not speak for the full 20 minutes. Accordingly, she may designate the time to any other Senator who wishes to speak.

If any other Senator would like to contribute, I would be happy if they should. Otherwise, it would be nice to go home earlier.

I should like to say briefly that I think it was well worth while that Senator Robinson raised this matter here. I feel that the case she has made is one which certainly should get the very careful attention of the Parliamentary Secretary. I have no notion whatever as to what the Parliamentary Secretary will say with regard to this matter. I do not know the explanation or the answer to the various queries which Senator Robinson has made, but I think she has argued a very effective case. However, I hope the Parliamentary Secretary will be able to give an assurance to the House and to the interested parties. As Senator Robinson pointed out, there are those not only engaged in education from a teacher's point of view but also from a student point of view who are intensely interested in being able to have these maps available. I hope that the Parliamentary Secretary will be able to make some arrangements which will satisfy their needs.

Might I say I agree with what Senator Robinson has said regarding these maps. It is important that the State should ensure that they will be kept in safe custody and that they will be preserved and handed down to posterity, if at all possible, in their original state. Therefore, it is necessary to ensure that proper storage be provided for them. Perhaps that may be the reason why they are stored away. Nevertheless, a good reason would be necessary before deciding to store them away during our lifetime and thus prevent scholars from examining them, writing books about them and taking photostat copies of them in order to present them to the general public who are not in a position to travel to Dublin city or to go to the places where these maps are kept. They are very useful to students, and in particular to those who are interested in doing research. There are many bodies now in the country who are interested in local history. It is hardly possible to study local history and place names without having recourse to valuable documents such as these.

Senator Robinson has referred to the lack of space in our National Museum. That has been evident over quite a number of years. Something should be done to rectify that position. The only way to improve the position is to provide finances for proper extensions and storage facilities.

Perhaps in this very House there are old manuscripts and documents stored away to which scholars may not have access. I think I am correct in saying that. There are a great many manuscripts in our possession in this country which have never been edited, examined or made available to scholars over the years. Now when there is greater emphasis on education, with greater facilities and more money for providing education at all levels, students in the future may be very interested in history and all that goes with it. The only evidence they have of past history, apart from what is on exhibition in the museum, is old documents, old manuscripts and old maps. The Parliamentary Secretary should try to find a way of making these available. We should be proud of the fact that there are sufficient people interested in scholarly documents coming forward and seeking out these relics of the past. We should be proud of those who are willing to devote their time to present such documents in a manner suitable for the ordinary people.

I should like to thank Senator Robinson for raising this matter. I should like to assure her and the Seanad that this is not in our opinion a satisfactory situation that we have in relation to the maps. I do not wish that anything I say should be seen as evidencing a spirit of complacency on my part or on the part of the Minister for Education. I would say — and I think it is very important — that it is an integral part of a much larger problem which is the overall one of accommodation in the National Library as a whole. It is not just a problem of maps.

The National Library has been neglected by all parties in the State for many years. In fact, apart from off-site bulk storage, no additional accommodation has been provided for the National Library since 1926. If I could borrow a phrase used in another context solving this problem is a daunting task.

I have, accordingly, taken what I hope will be the first positive step on the road to the provision of fitting accommodation for the library in convening an inter-departmental committee to examine the institutions short-term and long-term space requirements in detail and to submit recommendations as a matter of urgency. The committee have already furnished an interim report.

The recommendations in this report are at present under consideration. For the information of the Seanad I should like briefly to explain the circumstances leading up to the transfer of the map collection to off-site bulk storage at Earlsfort Terrace. Prior to 1957 the facilities for the collection were satisfactory enough within the space limitations which even then obtained. In that year however, as a result of the expansion of departments within the library and to make room for the growing accession of manuscript material, it became necessary to remove the greater part of the map collection to the library's entrance hall. The remainder of the collection was stored in the newspaper reading room and adjoining passages. Although this arrangement was certainly not the most satisfactory, it had at least the advantage that the material was to some extent at that time still available to readers. But the situation continued to deteriorate. This involved the continued reliance on the entrance hall as a repository for other materials in addition to the map collection. As time went by the conditions in the entrance hall became a source of worry to the library staff, to the council of trustees and to the Office of Public Works because of the fire and other hazards involved. The situation which led up to what was described as a sudden decision in January of this year was that some of the maps which were being stored there in the entrance hall were stolen.

Senator Robinson said that no warning was given of the removal of the maps. I can assure the Senator that no warning was given of the theft. That brought rather forcibly to the library's attention the necessity to find alternative safe storage accommodation. As Senators are aware, this is a very valuable collection of great relevance not just to this generation but to many generations in the future. It is the responsibility therefore of the National Library, first of all, to preserve the material for posterity and it was in that context that this decision had to be reluctantly taken by the trustees.

On that point, I accept that the maps in the entrance hall were both a fire and a theft risk; but all the maps in the library, not just those in the entrance hall, were removed. In other words, a whole category of learning was wiped out on the very limited excuse that some of the maps were a fire risk. Why did they not remove less important books from other areas? Why remove an entire collection of learning.

The decision was taken not by me. It was taken by people who were technically competent to make the decision and they presumably did so using this technical competence. I would point out that these maps are in series and keeping a few out of a series might not be much help to anybody. The bulk of the maps were in the entrance hall. The maps which were stored in other parts of the library were not as significant in quantity. I should add, as Senator Robinson has mentioned, that the library was specifically warned by the Board of Works, who are competent to advise them in this matter, that the way in which the material was stored there was a fire hazard. Senator Robinson has asked why individual maps which were not a fire hazard were not removed and others left there, but I take it that all the maps were equally flammable and therefore all the maps which were stored in the entrance hall of the National Library were equally a fire risk, so there was not much point leaving two or three and taking the rest away.

Therefore, the arrangements were made by the library authorities with the authorities of University College, Dublin, for the storage of the map collection and of a considerable quantity of manuscripts and other material in the college's buildings in Earlsfort Terrace. There they still remain in reasonable safety, but unfortunately unavailable to the public until satisfactory alternative arrangements can be made. I should add, however, that endeavours were made, following a meeting I had with the director and trustees, to obtain space in University College for the public to consult the material. But when that approach was made we were informed by the university authorities that no space was available in the university in which the material could be consulted. All they could provide was off-site bulk storage.

I should mention what the collection consists of, just to illustrate to the Seanad how important it is that we preserve it. It consists of 1,105 large bound volumes and 33,150 sheets. It can be reduced into three main classifications. The Ordnance Survey collection covering all Ireland from the early part of the last century to date. Included are items no longer available from the Ordnance Survey office. The second category contains maps of cities and towns and counties of Ireland and of Ireland in general from the earliest times. Speed's maps of Ireland, the Brooking and Rocque maps of Dublin and Palhams maps of Clare are but a few of the important 17th- and 18th-century surveys contained in these divisions. Thirdly, the estate maps. These cover the 18th and 19th centuries. The Longfield collection of estate maps is the largest in this division and covers most of the 32 counties of Ireland.

Besides these main divisions, the collection contains a large number of specialist maps, railway, canal and coastal maps. The library holds the original manuscripts of a survey of the bogs of Ireland made at the request of a commission set up in the last century.

This outline will illustrate the intrinsic value of the map collection and the concern of the trustees before all other considerations to put it in safe custody. The Senator said these maps were not available elsewhere. I made rather hasty inquiries about this. I mentioned three categories. The first was the Ordnance Survey collection, which, as far as I know, in terms of volume amounts to almost half the total maps involved. I understand that the collection of Ordnance Survey maps is available in Trinity College Library. They would have been deposited there under the Copyright Act.

That seems to be in dispute. I was making a similar inquiry and I did not come up with a definite conclusion.

I should imagine that, with the staff of Trinity College and its legal depository status, the Ordnance Survey maps are available there, too. I also understand that a number of the maps in the second category I mentioned — namely, maps of cities, towns and counties in Ireland — would also be available in the Trinity College Library. This, I should say, is the result of hasty inquiries on our part because we did not have much notice — we had some notice but not as much as we could have — of this motion.

I am happy, however, to be able to end on a constructive note. I referred earlier to the inter-departmental committee which is examining the short-term and long-term accommodation requirements of the National Library and to the interim report which the committee have submitted and which is currently under consideration. While I am not yet free to give specific details, I am in a position to say that I expect some useful additional accommodation for the National Library to be available in the near future. If this is a success it will be the first time that additional accommodation would have been made available to the National Library since 1926.

I should add also that quite apart from the additional accommodation significant progress is being made in the National Library. They will be publishing in the near future a catalogue of topographical prints and drawings. With increased staff the manuscripts reading room has been opened again in the evening where previously it was only opened during the day. The general catalogue, which was last revised in the 1920s, is now being remade. Clár Litríocht na Gaeilge, which was last brought up to date in 1938, is also being revised. I should add also that, at my initiative, an inter-departmental committee is being set up to set in train an education service for all the cultural institutions such as the National Library and the National Museum to ensure that the treasures which are available there will be made available to a much wider public than were previously able to benefit from them.

I am afraid I shall have to ask the Parliamentary Secretary to come to a conclusion within the next minute.

In regard to student dissertations, I understand that exceptional arrangements were made at the request of a lecturer from Trinity College for two large volumes of these maps to be brought back especially to accommodate particular students who are engaged in this field. I understand that any other collection to be removed to off-site storage would have caused just as much hardship as the removal of the maps and, therefore, it was an unfortunate choice which had to be made to remove one of the collections. The one which had to be chosen was the map collection. I think the Senator will see that we have in hand measures to improve the situation. We are not satisfied with the existing situation but we are moving forward as quickly as possible to remedy what we recognise to be an unsatisfactory situation.

I should like to thank the Parliamentary Secretary for putting this information on the record. I am still not too happy, because neither the temporary accommodation position or the long-term position is very clear. But I do appreciate that the Parliamentary Secretary has done a good deal of research for the purposes of replying to this motion. I should like to thank him for that.

The Seanad adjourned at 10.15 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Wednesday, 20th February, 1974.

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