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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 7 Dec 1977

Vol. 87 No. 8

Seanad Motions: Motion.

I move:

That in relation to motions other than Government motions the following provisions shall apply—

(a) the time allowed for the debate on a motion shall, unless the Seanad otherwise orders, not exceed a period of three hours in the aggregate and at the expiration of of this period, if the proceedings on the motion have not previously concluded, the Cathaoirleach shall put forthwith the question or questions necessary to bring them to a conclusion,

(b) the speech of a Senator proposing a motion shall not exceed thirty minutes, and the Senator proposing, or such other Senator who has not already spoken as he may authorise in that behalf, shall be entitled to not more than fifteen minutes for a speech in reply; the speech of any other Senator in the course of the debate shall not exceed fifteen minutes.

I wish to refer to the terms of motion No. 3. I welcome the fact that a motion has been tabled to allow for both Government motions and, specifically in No. 3, Private Members' motions, to be taken in the House with a three-hour debate allowed. However the terminology resembles the type of motion that has covered this subject matter in previous Seanaid and it includes the phrase, "if the exigencies of business allow". I do not want in any way to make a party political point on this but it has been my experience under successive Governments that "the exigencies of business", so far as the Seanad is concerned, tends to result in one of two things; either the Seanad is meeting and taking Government business, which is wanted very urgently and therefore takes up all the time, or else we do not meet during that month.

It is extremely important from the beginning that we try to have a regular understanding in the House that time will be given every month when the Seanad sits for private business. I hope that the change from six hours to three hours for these motions will encourage the Leader of the House to make time available for them. It is not always necessary for a Minister or a Minister of State to be present for these debates. It is better that we debate a significant number of issues of public interest and allow Senators to make statements about them rather than, as has been the experience both with the previous Government and the Fianna Fáil Government before that, that Private Members' motions were the exception rather than a regular feature of the business of the Seanad. I should like to ask the Leader of the House to ensure whenever the Seanad is in session during a month that three hours will be devoted to Private Members' business, if at all possible.

I wish to comment on motion No. 2. I do not wish to oppose it. One of our tasks here should be to expedite the business of the House in every way possible. I should like to make two points in that regard. I do not see why the relative verbosity which is permitted to Senators speaking to a motion when it is a Government motion should not be extended to a Senator similarly speaking on a private motion. My feeling is that 15 minutes for a supporting contribution is too long. Any Member who cannot say what he has to say of a supporting nature within ten minutes is suffering from verbosity and an impure love of his own voice. However, I do not wish to push these points except that we would deal with Order Papers more effectively if contributions were shorter. One practical point is that for those of us sitting in the back row—not all of us can be accused of suffering from senile decay—is that it is very difficult for us to hear Members in the front benches.

Question put and agreed to.

I move No. 3:

That Seanad Éireann considers that—

(1) if the exigencies of business allow, at least one motion other than Government motions should be taken each month; and

(2) in determining the order of priority in which such motions should be taken regard should be had to—

(a) the topicality of the subject matter,

(b) rotation between different groups, and

(c) the availability of the Ministers concerned: provided that a motion not necessarily involving a statement of Government policy may be proceeded with without a Minister being in attendance.

Question put and agreed to.
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