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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 10 May 1978

Vol. 89 No. 1

River Shannon Drainage: Motion (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That Seanad Éireann calls on the Government to commission an updating of the Rydell report on the drainage of the River Shannon so that a proper policy can be devised for the development of the river taking into consideration (i) the vast number of agricultural holdings which suffer from severe handicap of occasional and sometimes continuous flooding (ii) the long-term planning for use of the river as a tourist amenity and (iii) the requirements of the State for use of the river as a source of energy.
— (Senator Cooney.)

The great advantage of reclamation and its importance is that it is capital expenditure which has lasting results. The greatest asset that we have in this country is our land. Anything which can be done to improve the quality, productivity and potential of the land would receive support from both sides of the House.

Plans for reclamation have been mentioned many times. Perhaps it is not widely realised that land reclamation, in particular drainage on virtually any scale and certainly on the scale envisaged in draining a major river, is enormously expensive. This is one reason why it has been so difficult, with our limited financial resources, to do all that one would have wished to do I endorse the suggestion of my colleague, Senator Brennan, that this is an area in which we might reasonably hold discussions with the appropriate EEC authorities. Any development or improvement in the land and in the resources of the Community generally would be an improvement to the whole Community and very much within the spirit of the Treaty of Rome. I hope that EEC support will be forthcoming in this matter. We might reasonably look for such support from the EEC.

I have mentioned previously the question of cross-Border co-operation in relation to the river Erne. We should consider the rivers Shannon and Erne in one general context. They are virtually connected already and I hope will be very effectively connected in the future. I am delighted to note that there is this possibility of economic co-operation between North and South which both sides of the House would welcome greatly.

I noted a number of points raised by Senators regarding the river Shannon. I am unable to comment on all of them at present but I thank Senators for their suggestions and contributions in this debate.

On my appointment to the Office of Public Works I set about examining the overall position regarding the various draining schemes with particular emphasis on the river Shannon. I studied the Rydell Report and the report prepared by the Office of Public Works and the ESB, and I was very impressed by the submissions in both reports. I was somewhat disappointed to note that over the last number of years no effort was made to prepare the second stage of the investigation. On our entry to the EEC we had a golden opportunity to finalise that second report and to submit it to the Council of Ministers for their consideration. I have a particular interest in the reports. Where drainage is concerned the Shannon is not just a big joke. At the mention of the Shannon people seem to smile and say: "Oh, are you going to drain the Shannon?" The Shannon is something real for me and efforts must be made to bring this dream to reality. The problem of the Shannon flooding has been the subject of much study and speculation over the last 150 years. Some Senators have referred to the Rydell Report which was produced after the floods of 1954 and 1955. Following that report, investigations and studies of the problems were carried out by the Office of Public Works with the aid of the ESB. These investigations confirmed conclusions arrived at by Rydell, that there is no simple solution to the Shannon flood problem and that any acceptable solution must be sought in a comprehensive approach, catering not only for flood relief on the Shannon but also for the tributory catchment drainage and providing for the needs of power, navigation, recreation and other uses of the river. The investigations indicate that a solution on this basis is feasible both from the point of view of execution and economics. However, it would be undoubtedly a complex project and the formidable proposals of engineering works involved are reflected in the estimated cost which I am led to believe is in the region of £70 million at today's prices. The scarcity of capital at the disposal of the State and the many other development projects competing for the limited engineering resources available have been reasons for many years for the Shannon project being deferred.

I understand that a full investigation would cost about £1 million. We have lost precious time in this respect and this is one sad aspect of the whole problem of the Shannon river. I am impressed by the arguments that it is a desirable project on economic, social and national grounds and therefore I have decided to have the matter reconsidered. I am having a new line of inquiry opened to see if funds for this great project can be secured. If the results are favourable, and I hope they will be, I have no doubt that the Government will give serious consideration to the project. In the event of this being sanctioned I can assure the Members of the Seanad that the necessary steps will be taken without delay to prepare a scheme for the Shannon. I am exploring a number of avenues to try to secure the necessary finance for this project. I arrived at this decision some time ago because I was so impressed by the two reports made by Rydell and members of my own staff. For that reason I do not wish to elaborate further but I have no doubt that the Senators will be aware of any progress that will be made in this respect.

I would call upon the Government to think seriously about the draining of the Shannon and its various tributaries. Since the fifties, when we had the last official report on it, it has been claimed from many political platforms that the Shannon would certainly be drained. This was not said by one Government but by successive Governments. I come from an area that is dependent on the success or failure of a well-designed Shannon drainage scheme. I wish to bring to the notice of the Minister of State that it is vitally important that, while in a nation such as ours and in an economy so small as ours it cannot be expected that the economy could carry such a high capital cost, we should at least carry sufficient political will to carry out such a project. At this very moment in Brussels the Minister for Agriculture is in a bargaining position about the allocation of the famous £15 million for land drainage and arterial drainage. I understand that pressure might be put on him, as part of the deal being negotiated in Brussels this evening, to forget about this £15 million and that it would be renegotiated at a later date.

If this is true, I want to place on record in the House that I would be totally against any type of involvement that would allow a major scheme such as this to be withdrawn on the pretence of satisfying Agricultural Ministers from other EEC countries. We acknowledge that we have to get outside help. If the 200,000 acres that are flooded along the Shannon and its tributaries — in agricultural terms for between three and six months, were brought back to their full potential under the new technological methods in agriculture, straight away we would have sustainable family farm incomes for 20,000 to 30,000 more people. The economists of this nation should grasp the important fact that a vast injection of money into the drainage of the Shannon and its tributaries will not alone stabilise the population in the rural areas but will actually increase it. What could not have been done on 50 or 60 acres of land ten or 12 years' ago can be done now by virtue of new technology, drainage equipment and a better and more guaranteed outlet for farm projects.

If there is any significance in the rumour that our drainage grants might be dropped to be renegotiated at a later date, we would certainly be critical of this. This decision will rest on whether the Government are sufficiently interested in and committed to the scheme for draining the Shannon. I believe one of the reasons why no attempt was made to drain the Shannon in the past was because of difficulties from an engineering point of view. Firstly, I would ask the Minister of State is it possible, from an engineering point of view, to drain the Shannon? Secondly, I would ask the Minister if it is necessary to have the Shannon drained before the Dunkellin River in south Galway and the Suck in north Galway could be drained and is it likely that either of those two very important trbutaries of the Shannon will be drained this year, assuming that the Minister for Agriculture brings back the much talked of and publicised £15 million for land drainage?

An overriding factor at this stage from the point of view of the economists here must be the necessity of job creation. In addition to the sustainable family farm income for 20,000 to 30,000 more people plus at least another 10,000 to 15,000 in food processing and the services that go hand in hand with farming, 30,000 to 40,000 additional jobs can be created by virtue of this investment in the Shannon and its tributaries. There would be a great "hurrah" if the IDA managed at this stage to provide 30,000 or 40,000 lasting jobs. I would put it to the Minister that it is important not alone from the point of view of the agricultural sector but from the point of view of the national economy.

We are losing out very heavily on EEC grants because it is not possible to drain much of the land I am talking about because of waterlogging. I am aware that a tremendous number of farmers have been rejected and are not given the chance of applying for the EEC modernisation scheme for land drainage because there was no outlet for the water from their land. Even on that point the grant at the moment, while we would prefer it to be much higher, would work out at about £100 an acre. We are losing that because the farmers cannot get this grant from the farm modernisation scheme because the off-fall is not good enough.

We have a record in this country when we do not want to do something of hiring a group of surveyors and giving them a certain type of brief. We expect them back in about five years' time with the report and at that stage we have a new set of circumstances and hence a new survey will be necessary. I hope the Government will not indulge in this type of jig dancing.

There are factors other than farming that influence the development of the Shannon but nevertheless it is vitally important that, as it is the top priority, whatever else happens we must take note of the thousands of farmers along the Shannon and along the tributaries of the Shannon. From what I know of the contribution the ESB will have to make to the river and equally the contribution that the river makes to the ESB, it is compatible with the drainage of the Shannon.

Mention was made earlier of the recreational facilities and the boats on the Shannon. That is very important indeed and we are delighted that so much use has been made of it. I am also aware that the lowering of the level of the Shannon at certain places will not hinder this type of facility for foreigners and our own people on holiday here.

If another report has to be compiled, or if the last report has to be updated, there should be no reason why the best possible expertise should not be immediately commissioned. When I say immediately, I am not talking about this time next year, or this time two years. We should do the job now.

The Minister of State mentioned a figure of £70 million. If we got away with £70 million we would be doing extraordinary well. On the other hand, I would say that £70 million for the type of spin-off in productivity and jobs would be money well spent. I would ask the Minister of State to bring this to the notice of the relevant authorities. As the Minister himself said, when one talks about draining the Shannon it becomes rather a joke. I wish to go on record as saying that the matter has not been confined to any particular political party or Government over the years. We all had a go at draining the Shannon at one time or another, but it still remains to be done. I would ask that either a new report or an updated report be put before the relevant authorities within 12 months. It should not be impossible to do.

There was much talk about the help we are supposed to be getting from Brussels but if that business in Brussels does not materialise this evening then it is a retrograde step if that is accepted by the Government. Under such circumstances I will have to acknowledge that this Government is not committed to the drainage of the Shannon or its tributaries.

This is not the type of issue that should be let lie. I believe whatever Government are in power will grasp this nettle and will relieve the terrible flooding problem right across the country. It will certainly be a feather in their cap and we await the decision in Brussels this evening or this week. If it is part and parcel of the package that this £15 million will be used for drainage here then I am prepared to accept that this Government are committed.

I welcome this motion. It is a very comprehensive motion in so far as it deals with the river Shannon, the agricultural considerations, the tourist amenity and the requirements of the ESB. I would further welcome the statement of the Minister of State, Deputy Wyse, who said that he was reconsidering the Shannon scheme and was preparing a scheme and that that scheme would be put into operation as soon as possible.

Perhaps Senator Connaughton and other Senators missed that statement. I would like to repeat that I welcome his commitments to prepare a scheme. There will not be any jig dancing by the Minister of State.

Senator Cooney described very well the plight of the farmers who have land along the Shannon and its tributaries in a situation where their land is flooded for half the year and sometimes for more than half the year. One can imagine the frustration they feel. One can also imagine how they feel when they get a bill for rates on this land. Unfortunately the land is rated very highly and this adds to the problem. Some studies I have seen have shown that if the Shannon could be drained, the extra income of each farmer would be about £80 to £100 per acre. The agricultural needs of the farmer must be our major consideration. The acreage is enormous. If one includes the tributaries of the Shannon it varies from 150,000 to 200,000 acres, almost one-fifth of all the land in the country.

I am glad that the Minister of State has shown by his announcement that he is taking into account the farmers who have land along the Shannon. The Rydell Report has shown that the agricultural consideration is not incompatible with the tourist amenity or with the requirements of the ESB. I was interested in Senator Cooney's remark about the tributaries of the river Shannon. The river Inny was the subject of an arterial drainage scheme. Could the same not be done with the river Suck and the river Broma? The river Suck in my constituency in the north Galway area has been a cause for concern for many years. Frequently we get replies from the Office of Public Works stating that minor rivers, for example the river Shivan, cannot be done until the river Suck is drained and the river Suck cannot be drained until the river Shannon is drained. One wonders if it is a geographical accident that the river Inny could be tackled but that the river Suck has not been tackled until now.

There is also the navigational aspect of the river Suck. Bodies like the Ballinasloe Chamber of Commerce have made representations from time to time asking the Minister for State if the Suck could be made navigable into the town of Ballinasloe. They organised a seminar and members of the farming community, members of the inland fisheries, representatives of the public works and the local public representatives went on a tour of this river and managed to get within three miles of Ballinasloe. Everyone agreed that the agricultural consideration would be the priority if we were going to make any improvements on the river to make it navigable into Ballinasloe town.

I am disappointed with the response from Brussels to our application for drainage. Unfortunately drainage does not seem to be a priority with the EEC. It was with great joy that I heard recently that £15½ million was to be made available by Brussels to this country for drainage in the west of Ireland. That figure, I heard, will be increased. We welcome that. If we got enough money from Brussels we would not be discussing separate motions on draining the Shannon or draining the Erne because we could put the money to use in the 12 western counties where it has been earmarked for use. Not only would schemes to drain the Shannon and the Erne be prepared but rivers such as the Dunkellin which flows across all east Galway, and which is number ten on the priority list at the moment, would be included also. The position at the moment is that neither the Shannon nor the Suck are on any priority list whereas the Dunkellin is. Perhaps it would be a better idea if we considered the 12 western counties, where most of the drainage problems occur, as an area where that money should be spent.

It is unfortunate that nothing was done about the Shannon in the last few years because now that we have this commitment from Brussels we should have a scheme ready. We will have to face the fact that a new scheme will have to be prepared since the Minister of State has reconsidered the Shannon. I hope that will be done as soon as possible and that we will be able to answer the legitimate pleas of the farmers who have land along the Shannon. They have been neglected.

They are paying high rates on land which is flooded in some cases for more than half the year. I hope we will be able to promote the Shannon as a tourist amenity. We all hope we will have more and more tourists every year, that this will not be incompatible with the energy requirements of the State and that we can proceed not only with the Shannon but with the other rivers that need to be drained in the west.

I want to speak on just one aspect of this proposal and that is the updating of the report. This kind of research is essential to anything that is done. The basic requirement here that the Rydell Report be updated is the main one and it is the one I should like to lay stress upon. Action taken on the spur of the moment or without proper advice very often results in chaos. One aspect of this which I am glad to see has come to public notice is one that has involved the development of our waterways as a tourist amenity. One of the biggest scandals of the country has been that these enormous resources have been lying fallow and stagnant for so many years. This is particularly true of one county, Leitrim, which has needed the attention of our planners.

There seems to be hope now that the Ballinamore/Ballyconnell canal will be linked to the Erne. If that were to happen it would be seen not just as an advantage to the area but as a symbolic gesture of trust in the future of that rather neglected part of the country. There is no doubt that the kind of beauty and amenity that Ireland has to offer can best be savoured in terms of these inland waterways. The slow and leisurely rhythm of life we have in Ireland is best reflected in that form of tourism. I look forward not only to the updating of the report but to large developments particularly in that crucial, neglected area between Ballinamore and the Erne where so much could be done in the future.

This is a problem which has become urgent lately. Farmers have become very conscious of the loss they are suffering and have suffered over the years. They have become irritated because while much progress is being made in other areas, this problem which affects one-quarter of the farmers in Ireland, has not got the attention it merited. A problem that involves so many farmers, so much of our natural resources, so much in tourism, energy and agriculture, should be looked at. We all know what is involved in the preparation of reports, having a proper analysis of the cost carried out and taking all the possibilities into consideration and so on. We know the length of time this takes in other areas. With a problem of this magnitude, since we have not even at this stage begun to think about it, when will there be any action or even the blueprint for a solution? At the moment, the frustration of some sections of our community has manifested itself in their opposition. It is unfortunate that it has come against the ESB who themselves should not be held responsible for all the problems involved. The first people who come to the attention of the farmers are the authorities who own the fisheries in the Shannon. It is unfortunate that the relationship between the ESB and farmers has deteriorated recently. You have the situation where farmers in the Shannon area are coming together and saying they cannot foresee themselves co-operating with this body in the future if there is not some solution proposed for the problems that they have had to live with for so long.

You have the old problem of flooding in the river Shannon and for many reasons this must be looked at immediately. Today, for instance, there is the question of the tourist interest. Tourism is beginning to become an important industry in the regions mentioned earlier by Senator Martin. We have seen a flourishing industry develop around Carrick-on-Shannon and on other locations on the Shannon. We see a lot of employment being generated, many visitors enjoying the amenities and much money being spent on building and repairing boats in that area. We have only started to use the Shannon as a tourist amenity. At this stage, before this industry develops and the tourists and others involved start to accept the Shannon and use it as it is, we should prepare a plan for the development of the river. The levels of water that navigators are using at the moment may not be necessary at all. But, if, over a period of years people start to use the river as it is, then we will find a situation where, perhaps, if we start a drainage scheme for the development of the river for use as a source of energy, we may come into conflict. At the moment I cannot see that there is necessarily any conflict there but I can see a situation, as the tourist industry develops on that river, that if we do not come to terms with the situation and gear the whole industry to the sort of river we plan for the future, rather than the sort of river that is there at the moment, we could create problems for ourselves.

I understand the Minister has indicated that he is prepared to seek finance to prepare a report that would up-date the Rydell Report. I would hope that the Minister would see this as an urgent priority. Considering the sort of resources that this country has at the moment and the sort of money that is being spent, say in the disadvantaged areas scheme, I do not think the amount of money required to do a very worth-while survey here is beyond the limit of our resources. Having regard to the sort of assistance that we might be able to seek in the future through some sort of European fund or through an improvement in our economic situation during the next couple of years, this project is well worth the investment that the Minister speaks about.

The pressure for action is coming from farming interest. Farmers have a good reason to be aggrieved in the present circumstances. First, there is the problem of flooding that was always there. However, farmers have begun to notice in recent years that there are great inconsistencies in the way the river behaves. People who live along the Shannon will claim that they grazed their stock at a particular place, at a particular time of year, 25 or 30 years ago but that today in the same month they cannot go within 200 yards of that place. They will claim that there were places where they tied up their boats years ago or where they took water from the river but that now they cannot go near these places at the corresponding times of the year. They seek to get clarification of the situation from the ESB and the answer they get is that the ESB are not the sole authority responsible for controlling depths in the river. They are told that the Board of Works have responsibility for one particultar lock or weir and that the ESB have responsibility for another.

In this age people want to know where they are going; farmers want to plan for their future. Members of the agricultural industry, in all that region, should be in a position to say whether they should have so many acres of land at their disposal for the next ten or 15 years. The minimum we should be able to do for people who depend on agriculture in that area for their livelihood is to be able to tell them what the position is likely to be for the next ten or 15 years so that they can make their arrangements and assess their incomes on that basis.

The short-term problem and a lot of the irritation that one notices with farmers in that area could be solved if we could have one body who would say to them: "We are going to control the levels of water in the Shannon, and we are the only body responsible and if you want information at any time, it will be available to you." Such a body would let people know what the limitations were and what they could and could not do. It is most frustrating for individual farmers or for organised groups who are affected by the problem to find that they cannot get the information they are looking for. The agricultural interests involved have begun to think that they are not being told the whole story. I would not accept that completely but on the other hand until there is one body who are prepared to give the decision and give the answers, there will continue to be this doubt.

Some farmers who have studied the problem down through the years make the point that the river is not being used to its full capacity for the generation of electricity. There are many people who believe that with the oil crisis and the cost of generating electricity there is a good case for generating from whatever water is available at any time. Right through the winter period all the water that is available should be used to generate power. There should not be any need to store power since I understand the power that is generated at Ardnacrusha is only used in peak periods and used to give flexibility and to regulate supplies rather than as a regular source of power where power is being generated most of the time. People in the Shannon area have come to believe that it is not being used on a regular, consistent basis. They feel that great amounts of water are being stored in Lough Allen on the off-chance that it may possibly be needed. I do not think that this is a good reason to store water and to put hundreds of thousands of acres of land at risk on the off-chance that this storage may be necessary. Very often it is not. If this case is being made by a number of intelligent people some effective answer should be provided. Until we know exactly what amount of electricity is being generated in Ardnacrusha we cannot ask people to tolerate the sacrifices they are being asked to make. Once water is stored, once a supply of water is built up, there are no means of controlling that flood afterwards and so you sometimes have the situation in the months of April and May, even when rain is not falling, that a farmer wakes up some morning to find half his farm is covered to a depth of three or four feet of water. This is believed to be unnecessary and furthermore nobody has provided an effective answer to farmers who say that two or three years ago when some dredging operation was in progress in the lower area of the Shannon the flooding problem was eased completely and they were back to the situation they enjoyed 35 years ago.

It is almost impossible to convince people in the Shannon valley that there are not some means of regulating the river. The levels of water that are required for navigation is another bone of contention. The minimum depth is around six feet or slightly less, a level that was fixed by an Act of Parliament back in the days when heavy barges, when a different sort of traffic, was moving on the river. That situation should be reviewed. Before people start to design boats and to put boats on the river that require this depth of water, we should make up our minds what the minimum depth is so that the industry will gear itself to avail of the sort of depths required there.

Another point which is becoming important is the question of the drainage of other rivers. Down through the years a number of rivers have been drained and talks are going on about further drainage of the Shannon tributaries. This is mentioned, too, in the Rydell Report, particularly with reference to the Suck and the Inny but it must be obvious to anybody in that area that if we are to proceed with a programme of draining tributaries we must first know and understand what effect this will have on the over-all problem of flooding. The agricultural industry is so important, not only to farmers, but to the whole economy, in terms of unemployment and so on. That it would justify the sort of cost that would go a long way to solving these problems.

I do not believe there is a conflict between our requirement for generating power and, say, the tourist people although this could happen if we are careless and allow it to go too far. These are the points that come up whenever the problem is discussed in the area and I am glad that the Minister at least has given some limited undertaking.

Like other Senators I am sure that we have all got the well-being of the people of the Shannon Basin at heart and I have no doubt that the Senators when they brought this motion before the House had given full consideration to the matter because we are all quite well aware that the Shannon, our major river, flows from the Shannon Pot in Cavan all the way down to Limerick. Possibly it drains the biggest part of our country because it is responsible not alone for draining the west and part of the north-west but also the midland counties. It has been mainly in the midland counties that the Shannon has been the cause of the major flooding problem.

Possibly the trouble here may have been with regard to the peat production on the midland bogs where silting has occurred. The silt has flowed into the smaller tributaries and caused clogging of the Shannon's middle system. There is also the problem with regard to the ESB and the levels which they wish to maintain in order to secure a reasonable standard and a reasonable amount of surplus water for electricity-generation purposes. Down the years they have been the main controlling body in conjunction with the Office of Public Works with regard to Shannon water levels and Shannon drainage. They also control the fishery rights of the Shannon.

There have been commitments on the part of various Governments down the years to drain the Shannon and here I would like to congratulate the Minister of State for making available a sum of money for the investigation of the Ballinamore-Ballyconnell canal which is a tributary of the Shannon. In doing so he has shown his commitment to Shannon drainage and the drainage of the Shannon Basin. I would also like to pay tribute to the previous Minister in the Office of Public Works who made available finances which had previously been suggested by the Government, prior to 1973, for the opening of the canal into the lake at Drumshanbo. This is also proof of the fact that various Governments down the years have been committed to the provision of a comprehensive drainage system for the Shannon.

People down the years have said that the drainage of the Shannon could possibly be one of the costliest projects ever undertaken. However, the Shannon Basin and the Shannon itself are responsible for the flooding of considerable tracts of land and with land prices presently reaching as high as £2,500 or £3,000 per acre for agricultural purposes. this factor also would need to be taken into consideration by the consultants who are, at the request of the Minister, going to carry out a further survey with regard to the drainage of the Shannon.

Down the years we have seen tracts of land flooded due to the fact that very high levels have been maintained by the ESB. The ESB, as I have said previously, are very interested in maintaining a high water level, especially in Lough Allen, which is very near to me at home and which I have seen at times flooding possibly 100 yards further than it will flood at other times of the year. I wonder have the ESB that much need to maintain Lough Allen at such a high level. They should carry out a further survey to see if they could allow it to be lowered considerably because I have seen hundreds of acres adjacent to Drumshanbo flooded at a certain time of the year due to the fact that the water is being held up by the ESB.

The Minister has also shown his commitment to the drainage of the Shannon area with regard to the Bonet river which is a tributary which flows into Lough Allen. We trust that this work will come to fruition in the near future. But if we are to continue we must also consider the Shannon in terms of the tourist amenty it has proved to be. Senator McCartin reminded us that the Shannon has been a considerable source of income to the small villages and towns which adjoin it. Anybody who passes through Carrick-on-Shannon during the winter and sees the number of boats tied up there, but tied up for a very short period only, will realise the amount of money that has been spent on tourism by various organisations with regard to the provision of pleasure craft on the Shannon.

The Shannon must be protected as well as being drained. We must see to it that we leave sufficient water there to facilitate the tourists who use it. I would like to mention at this point the fact that we must also look to the problem of avoiding pollution within the Shannon Basin because this could become a very serious problem in the near future with regard to the way that the Shannon is presently being used by tourists. The problem of the lower Shannon is very small in comparison with that from Athlone northwards. The lower basin of the Shannon has very few flooding problems but the area from Athlone back to Dowra, where the Shannon flows into Lough Allen, is the area which is mostly affected by the flooding. I have no doubt that the Minister, having given a comitment in the House today with regard to the future development and drainage of the Shannon, intends to see this as one of the major projects during his term of office as Minister of State in the Department of Finance to ensure that what has long being talked about is put in its proper prospective. We have all heard of Shannon drainage down through the years. Is is a project that has been used, as Senator Connaughton said, by all political parties. No longer can any political party regard the Shannon as a source of cheap political talk because the proposed drainage of the Shannon must now come to fruition.

With regard to the proposed EEC funds for drainage in the western area I would think that the Minister would not let this go in his talks in Brussels as a bargaining point. I have no doubt that the Minister for Agriculture is committed, as is everybody else, in regard to Shannon drainage. The Shannon is becoming daily a greater problem for the farmers who adjoin it. We see tracts of land being flooded and we see also other smaller rivers with tributories where farmers are not now being allowed grants to drain into them as it is said that the drainage work would be useless due to the fact that these tributories are themselves held up by the Shannon. I would ask the Minister, like my colleagues, to give his fullest consideration in the next six or 12 months to this problem. I have no doubt that if he brings realistic proposals with regard to the Shannon before the European Community or before the Government he will receive favourable consideration. The Shannon, as far as we are concerned, is a major priority of the farming community.

Various farming organisation have created lobbies within themselves and within various political parties with regard to this problem. Everybody here has the welfare of the farming community in the Shannon Basin at heart. Senator McCartin mentioned the fact that incomes could be greatly increased should the Shannon be drained. We all know that this is one thing that would greatly improve the lot of farmers in the Shannon Basin. It is annoying for a farmer to see considerable tracts of this land under flood waters for a large portion of the year. However, I am confident that the Government will undertake the necessary work within a reasonable length of time.

I should like to say, first that for those of us who have proposed this motion it is gratifying to see that it has been universally accepted on all sides of the House. I note an acceptance of the priorities which are inherent to some extent in the wording of the motion, in that the first matter to be taken into consideration is agriculture and then tourism and thirdly the use of the river as a source of energy. While they are listed in that order I would not venture to say — I do not think any Senator would want me to say—that there is necessarily a great gap between the priorities but the agricultural priority must be the first one. It is quite clear that the waste to the country by having such an amount of land flooded is immense.

The Minister of State mentioned £70 million as being the possible cost but obviously that is a very tentative figure and in the absence of the report which this motion calls for it must be no better than a "guesstimate". But even taking it as it is, if we consider that there are, conservatively, 150,000 acres flooded and, as Senator Kitt said a loss of £80 to £100 an acre then, at £100 an acre that is a loss of £15 million per annum and at £80 an acre a loss of £12 million per annum, and if we translate the £15 million into the property developers' jargon based on a cost of £70 million it is a 4.5 years purchase. That is most attractive for any investor and I do not think the nation can any longer pass up the waste of an investment which can produce that tremendous and pretty immediate return. We talk about millions in departmental Estimates and at times of budgets and we are inclined to become blasé about millions and about hundreds of thousands. To anybody who would say, for instance that something would cost only £10,000, I say "Go out and earn £10,000 and see how difficult it is to get it." However, £70 million is a large sum of money in the perspective of modern budgets, but it is not a sum beyond possibility.

I want to contrast this with an announcement that was made during the week to spend £100 million in making Cork a more efficient city. I do not wish to engage in the politics of envy but I do not think for comparative purposes, and in the Parliament and the Executive deciding on priorities. one has to contrast this with the possible cost of £70 million to produce an annual income of up to £15 million by draining the Shannon. That is from agriculture only. Undoubtedly Cork requires this and it is money that will be well spent but essentially what it will do is to make Cork more efficient and undoubtedly as Cork becomes more efficient there will be a cost-benefit to the national economy. Again it is something that will be impossible to quantify. On the other hand, we have here in the context of the Shannon something which can be quantified quickly and easily and if there is to be a commitment to Cork of this vast sum, having regard to the debate that took place here, all sides must agree that the priorities would be wrong if that got priority over investment in the Shannon.

The question of tourism is of vital importance. There is no doubt that the tourist industry on the Shannon is still undeveloped. The report of the firm of consultants commissioned by Bord Fáilte who reported last year, Messrs Brady, Shipman and Martin, indicated that the number of boats on the Shannon could be considerably increased without in any way harming the attraction of the Shannon as a cruising waterway. The real attraction of the Shannon is that it is the last place in inhabited Europe where one can attain solitude. This is a very precious quality that has to be preserved and the consultants were conscious of this in preparing their report. They did indicate that it could be preserved with a considerable increase in the boats using the Shannon. If there is to be an increase in the number of boats using the Shannon, there will have to be a considerable increase in the facilities for them; mooring facilities, that is tying up places for overnight stops, jetty facilities at the shore and larger marina-type facilities.

If there is going to be investment in these facilities the point that Senator McCartin made is most relevant and most valid — that before people are invited to invest in these facilities a plan should be prepared for the Shannon lest the plan, when it is prepared. conflicts with the siting of the facilities and their presence either inhibits the implementation of the plan or the implementation of the plan wastes their investments. This is an extremely valid point and it adds urgency to the call that we are making here today. The plan must be prepared in advance of this greater investment in the Shannon lest that investment be misplaced or the new facilities wrongly sited. It adds to the urgency of this motion.

I do not want to rehash everything that was said, but it was common case among all the Senators that the motion should be passed. It was common case among all the Senators that control of the Shannon is required rather than drainage. The Shannon is so immense that the basic approach is not one of drainage. The Rydell Report indicated that control is what is required rather than drainage.

Control of the Shannon is urgent for the sake of the farmers living alongside it and its tributaries, for the sake of those engaged in tourism, and to make sure that the tremendous volume of water is efficiently harnessed to contribute to the State's energy needs. With respect to all of us who spoke here, the Minister's contribution was, when all is said and done, the one that really mattered. The rest of us were creating a climate to assist him in his battle for finance. His contribution, as an indication of his thinking on the matter was what we were all waiting for. He indicated that the first thing he did when he took office was to look up the files on drainage and, in particular, he examined the Shannon probleb. He expressed disappointment that no effort had been made to bring the reports which were on his files any further. Indeed, if he found lethargy in that direction he was entitled to be disappointed. It was heartening to hear of his disappointment while we might disagree with the reasons for it. His implication of lethargy and non-interest is not correct. He overlooked, as many people on the other side seem to overlook, the difficult financial time of the last few years when demands on funds were many and varied.

Be that as it may, it is heartening for us to find that the Minister was disappointed. I would expect the Minister to overcome that disappointment now by an approach to this problem which will be active, energetic and enthusiastic. That was what I expected to come from the Minister's speech. Unfortunately, his approach does not bear those characteristics and I greatly fear that his successor may be as disappointed when he looks back on the Minister's term.

The Minister went on to say that he estimated the cost of the further investigation which is now needed at £1 million. Then he said he was in the progress of looking for these funds. As the Minister has returned to the House I will inform him that I am speaking of my disappointment at the lack of energy and enthusiasm for draining the Shannon and of his disappointment at the lack of action that preceded him. I am expecting the Minister to approach this problem with energy and enthusiasm to undo the lethargy of the past.

I went on to say that the cost of further investigation would be about £1 million. The Minister said that he was looking for these funds, that he was exploring a number of avenues. Again, I find this disheartening and in the pattern of previous official statements with regard to problems concerning the control of the Shannon. It is in pattern totally and completely: great goodwill and great intentions but disappointing when a Minister of State — a member of a Government which was able to remove car tax with one stroke of the pen — says that he has to explore avenues looking for funds when the amount involved is £1 million.

I made the point earlier that we could become blasé and careless about millions but in the context of the national budget £1 million is a very small sum. I do feel slightly embarrassed at talk about going to Europe with hand out to get this comparatively paltry sum to do this work. I would ask the Minister to influence his colleague in Finance, and whatever other colleagues may be involved nowadays in deciding how the country's finances are to be spent, to get this £1 million as a matter of high priority. The Government should read the call from all sides of this House for action to control the Shannon. What is wanted, initially, is a report. If it takes £1 million to get that report under way, I would expect the Minister to say to us with confidence "I will have that money in next year's Estimates; that report will be commissioned next year". I am surprised and disappointed and somewhat shocked and frightened that the Minister is not able to make that commitment.

This afternoon I saw a banner headline in the Evening Press from under a newsboy's arm to the effect that the “Exchequer pursestrings were being tightened”. I put this down as an evening paper headline and gave it the credence it deserves.

When I hear the Minister of State say that he is looking for funds, that he is exploring a number of avenues to get £1 million, I begin to get a little apprehensive about the national finances. I hope I am wrong and I would urge the Minister, even if they are tight——

I did not say I was exploring avenues for £1 million.

The Minister said that £1 million was the cost of a further investigation. He went on to talk about looking for funds. If there is no bother about £1 million can I take it——

I did not specifically say £1 million.

What is the cost?

One million pounds.

Will the Minister have any trouble getting £1 million?

I am exploring every possibility.

The Minister should not have any trouble getting the money.

I will conclude by expressing my appreciation of the Minister's evident goodwill towards the problem. We will be expecting practical results from that goodwill in the near future. The most practical result would be an announcement that the up-dating of the Rydell Report is going to be commissioned at the latest in 1979.

Question put and agreed to.

The next business is item No. 3 and I should like to know what the House wishes to do in this regard.

In view of the time I suggest that we adjourn until 6.30 and then commence, as agreed earlier, with item No. 4 on the Order Paper and hold over item No. 3, which is also a very important item, until a later date.

Business suspended at 6.10 p.m. and resumed at 6.30 p.m.

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