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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 20 Jun 1984

Vol. 104 No. 6

Financial Commitment to Sport: Motion.

I move:

That Seanad Éireann notes with satisfaction the Government's recent financial commitment to sport and calls on the Government to continue with this supportive policy.

I thank the House for allowing this motion to be presented here this evening. Sport and recreation have assumed a new relevance in our country over the past decade. It has attracted the interest not only of the masses of the people but of various Government Departments, the professions and commercial interests. It has become the subject of research and experiment and the era from the mid-seventies to the present time could well be described as "the sporting revolution in Ireland". Thousands of our population of all ages and sexes have been influenced by this new quest for fitness and health and have taken to the roads, beaches and gyms in response.

People are now realising that we have a very suitable natural environment for exercising, such as long stretches of unused beaches, clean unpolluted air and quiet country roads. People realise that sport is not the privilege of certain somatotypes but rather "for all to experience and enjoy". This attitude hindered and inhibited people from getting involved previous to this. The present Government and the previous Governments responded very positively to this new revolution, as I described it, in sport.

I would like to take this opportunity to welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Donal Creed, to the House. He has proved to be a very good Minister for sport and he has gained a great deal of respect from various sporting organisations. As I said, the present Government have responded in a very positive way to the necessity for the increased funding of sport.

On 26 March 1984, the Minister of State at the Department of Education, Deputy Creed, announced, on the recommendations of Cospóir, the allocation of £502,720 in direct grants to national sports organisations. These grants, in addition to the allocation of £300,000 announced by the Minister for Finance in the budget, represent an increase of 62 per cent over the 1983 allocation and according to the Minister, Deputy Creed, "is evidence of the Government's commitment to the development of sport in Ireland." Credit must be given to the Government for this enormous increase in funding.

A number of organisations received substantially increased funding for 1984. The Minister indicated that he was particcularly pleased to be able to give a grant of £100,000 to the Olympic Council of Ireland and that this grant, together with the special grant of £140,000 included in the budget allocation, was further evidence of the Government's concern that our Olympic team would be the best prepared team to leave our shores. I would like to point out that I made reference to this previously in the Seanad when I asked the Government to increase the funding of the Olympics. I am glad there was a very positive response to my request.

To mark the celebration of the centenary year of the GAA a special grant of £100,000 was awarded in the budget in recognition of the contribution which the GAA have made to Irish society not only in sport but in a wide range of related activities of a social and cultural nature. This grant together with the annual grant from Cospóir, which amounts to £44,500 in 1984 will no doubt be most welcomed by GAA headquarters. As a former GAA player I am very grateful to the Government for their allocation because I think they have made an enormous contribution to our people and our country over the years.

As I am on the point of the funding of the GAA I would like to point out to the Minister two recent issues of contention, the VAT on hurleys and the rates on GAA pitches. I would seriously request that he examine both of these with a view to softening the impact of VAT on hurleys and rates on GAA clubs. I will be looking forward to a positive response to this request.

The budget also made provision for £10,000 for the Irish Wheelchair Association to assist towards the cost of preparing and sending a team to the Olympics for the Disabled. Again, the Government showed their awareness of the great work the Irish Wheelchair Association are doing for the disabled. I would like to call on the Government to look further at the whole funding of sports for the handicapped. It is an area in which I have a special interest. I work with disabled people and I think they deserve better treatment from all of us.

Some organisations will be hosting major international sporting events in Ireland in 1984, and these have received special recognition from the Government with additional funding being provided above their normal grants. I would just like to point out the organisations in question. These are: Irish Squash Association, who are allocated in addition to a grant of £9,000, a special grant of £5,000 for hosting the European Squash Championships; the Irish Canoe Association which is allocated an additional grant of £5,000 for the World Marathon Canoe Championships; Comhairle Liathróid Láimhe na hÉireann received £5,000 towards the cost of staging the World Handball Championships. Again, the Minister should be complimented on recognising the fact that when we bring in athletes from other countries every effort should be put into facilitating them properly. Personally I think that athletes from Ireland are probably treated better abroad than athletes from foreign countries particularly in events in our country. The budget provision also provides for additional grant aid to the Community Games of £10,000. This must be welcomed. The National Finance Committee for Amateur Football grant has been increased by £10,000; the Irish Boxing Association, £5,000; Bord Lúthchleas na hÉireann, £5,000; the National Athletic and Cycling Association, £5,000. All of these must be noted and welcomed.

It is also significant that five organisations have been recognised for grant aid this year for the first time. This indicates that the Government are aware of what is happening in sport in our country. The organisations are the Irish Ladies Gaelic Football Association which is making great strides; The Irish Ladies Golf Union, the Irish Women's Cricket Union, the Irish Trampoline Association and Sand-Yatching, Ireland.

In addition to direct grants for the national sporting organisations, financial assistance to enable sport organisations to develop sport exchanges with their counterpart organisations in France has been increased. It is the Minister's intention to award up to five further scholarships in 1984. This will increase to 22 the present number who are availing of these scholarships. These young sport persons can pursue their career in sport while studying for the academic qualifications of their choice. This idea is very plausible and one which could well be extended in future. We could even forge further links with other European countries and Eastern European countries where there is a very high emphasis on sport.

In the current year also the youth and sport fund to the VEC's has been increased from £700,000 to £770,000. This fund is allocated to the VECs to enable them to respond to the needs of youth and sport bodies and organisations at local level. This is a very important aspect of funding for sport. It is open to the clubs affiliated to national sporting bodies to seek assistance from this fund from their local VECs. From experience I can confirm that this funding has played a very important role in many clubs in my own county and the grants have been wisely used.

On 14 May 1984 the Minister of State, Deputy Creed, announced the further allocation of £345,600 to 37 VECs to promote youth and sport activity in their area of administration. In addition, a grant of £68,000 was made available to the City of Dublin VEC for the promotion of sport activities in Dublin. It is worth nothing that the Dublin city manager gave a very good account of what they are doing at the moment in the Dublin VEC in relation to sport in the recent conference organised by Cospóir in Mayo. Much is being achieved in trying to eliminate a lot of evils in society around Dublin by their funding of many projects. In view of this they can justify their case for further future allocations and increased allocations. It is intended that an amount of not less than 25 per cent of this total grant will be expended on the promotion of sport for all by the local sports advisory bodies attached to the VECs. The remainder of the grants will be divided between youth and sport activities which may include grants to clubs in respect of administrative costs, training and coaching courses and the purchase of equipment and organisation by the VEC and other courses for training and coaching. I welcome the reference here to coaching. We are lagging behind in respect of proper coaching and administration. There are very wide gaps between coaching standards in the south of Ireland and Northern Ireland. We can learn much from the administration of coaching schemes in Northern Ireland. We hope we can remedy the position over the years and bring our coaching standards up to European and United Kingdom standards. Overall, the total budget and total expenditure in grant aid to sport was £1,492,000. This represented a sizeable increase on past allocations.

I would like at this stage to make reference to AnCO's contribution. Over 10 per cent of the projects undertaken this year are directly related to sport facilities. Over the years, Senators must admit that AnCO have made a very fine contribution to the provision of facilities around the country, in reconstructing old halls, building dressing rooms and gymnasia. This work must be encouraged to continue.

I would like to refer briefly to the overall Government policy and philosophy on sport as was indicated in the recent four year plan for education. I would like to quote here from Chapter 2, section 31, page 19 of the four year plan:

Involvement in sport is important for the personal and social development of all young people and particularly for those young people who might other-wide be drifting towards or involved in vandalism, crime or drug abuse. Sport can be particularly supportive in disadvantaged areas and for the young unemployed.

I think that is a very important section in the chapter and one we should look at carefully. There is no doubt that sport can be a perfect antidote against vandalism, crime and drug abuse. The more young people involved in sport the less vandalism and drug abuse will prevail in our communities. It is worth noting in Chapter 2, section 33 of the Programme for Action in Education and I quote:

The Department will encourage the development of sport for all activities in both primary and post-primary schools aimed at increasing children's awareness of the value of sport thus encouraging active participation.

Again here it is important that we give special attention and allocate an appropriate amount of time to physical education in the schools. Up to now, unfortunately, unless a PE teacher was available in a school, physical education was neglected. I would like to refer especially to the primary schools where primary teachers, through lack of training, are reluctant or feel inadequate to take PE classes. This has resulted in a falling skill level in our national games such as hurling and Gaelic football. The fact that there are very few male teachers now in the schools and that female teachers predominate in the national school teaching profession could contribute to this. It is important that we push physical education as much as possible within the primary and secondary sectors.

The Government have adopted the principle that sport should be an integral part of each child's educative process and that physical fitness should be encouraged through our schools to the greatest possible extent. I hope this attitude and principle will be developed to the fullest.

Going back to the teaching of PE in the primary schools I am encouraged by reference made in the action programme in Chapter 2, section 34. I quote from that chapter:

In reviewing the primary teaching training programme, the development of the curriculum in PE will be given attention. In-service courses for existing teachers will be provided.

There are many teachers — and I have found this out from experience — who are willing to take PE classes if they are given direction and leadership. Through the lack of in-service courses and a lack of adequate training they are not allowed to get this opportunity. There is a great case here for in-service courses and for continuing education even after teachers are qualified. Again, I consider this aspect very important, and I know from my own experience that many primary teachers consider themselves totally inadequate to attempt any form of physical education in the schools in case of injuries or misbehaviour and so forth. This attitude and lack of confidence will have to be changed and reversed, because if we hope to promote sport from the beginning we will have to start in the national schools.

I would like to refer here to the employment of physical education teachers both in primary and secondary schools. The Minister should be urged to consider employing one teacher for a number of primary schools and they could circulate in an area, and in the post-primary sector where some schools have no PE teachers. This would be very beneficial to the children and would afford very good employment opportunities to unemployed PE personnel.

While on this topic I would like to refer to our health bill and to point out that expenditure on medical services continues to increase at an alarming rate, apparently without any real gains in community health status. I feel that continued concentration on curative medical care with its enormous costs would make little improvement in the nation's health. I conclude that improvement will be achieved only by preventive measures and principally by motivating individuals to take a responsible attitude to their own health care, particularly in regard to diet and physical activity. This habit formation will have to be got under way and inculcated in the children at the primary and post-primary stages. The Minister for Health made the point recently that there will have to be more emphasis placed on preventive medicine rather than curative medicine. I am sure you would all agree with me on this. The pursuit of a health lifestyle and the transmission of positive attitudes should be encouraged at an early age and developed through a formal educational experience. We must continue to strive towards this ideal.

I would like to point out that in 1983 in the primary sector over 52 schools were completed and all these have provision for PE facilities. Unfortunately, in many cases the teachers feel inadequate to have PE in the schools but if we go along the line of having in-service courses this problem could be overcome. So far this year 19 schools have been completed and they have been equipped with PE facilities. In the post-primary section, 16 schools were completed from March 1983 to 1984. Seven of these are equipped with full PE halls, and this must be welcomed. But I would again recommend that in future any school that is being constructed should include PE facilities if possible.

Having been deeply involved both in the participation and administrative ends of sport over the past ten years, I must admit that enormous progress has been made in coaching, provision of facilities, administration etc. I remember when I commenced PE studies we were very much underdeveloped in sport compared with other European countries. That was back in 1971, and I must say that in my opinion we have made enormous strides since then in the raising of standards and the provision of facilities. I would like to make the following recommendations to the Minister with a view to accelerating progress. I have given this a lot of thought and I think that the recommendations have some relevance and deserve consideration. I would urge the Minister to inject substantial funds into rapidly upgrading the opportunities for participation in physical activities and capitalising on the heightened awareness that sport for all has initiated. We are not cashing in enough as politicians and administrators on this. At the moment health and fitness have aroused great national interest. I feel that we as politicians and the Department of Sport are not giving this sufficient leadership and direction. I would suggest that money would be diverted from the accelerating curative medical budget to preventive medical areas thereby providing more funds for physical activity progress and facilities.

I recommend as a high priority that a national sports assembly be formed to co-ordinate the development of sport in Ireland. Cospóir could be incorporated into this. The new sports assembly could act as an adviser to the Minister. The assembly could be composed of members recommended by the sporting bodies and associations. It could also have representatives from the medical sector, preferably somebody involved in sports medicine. Representatives should also be nominated from the health education bureaux, the Irish Olympic Council, the Community Games Association, the Council for the Disabled and the Department of Education. I am not suggesting that Cospóir has been a failure but in its capacity it has not been as successful as it could have been, and such an assembly would prevent this overlapping of facilities at the moment. I find that there is very little integration between the various sporting bodies and even sometimes between the Gaelic games of hurling and football.

If there was a sporting council with members from all sports it would create a healthier attitude to other sports and give people a broader vision of what sport is all about. Such an assembly could actively encourage and facilitate the amalgamation of single sports clubs into multi-sport clubs, especially in urban centres. In urban centres there are small clubs, Gaelic football and hurling and soccer scattered around the place but, because there is such a demand for land and space all those clubs could be amalgamated into a multi-sport club sharing the same facilities. This could also encourage the maximum use of facilities and prevent overlapping. I also recommend as a high priority a sports assembly hall, or sports house, to be developed to house the proposed sports assembly and to act as a centre for administration and information. This assembly could also co-ordinate training courses for coaches, officials and administrators, and appoint directors of coaching development in administration positions. It could disseminate audio-visual material and manuals prepared on areas of common need via a resource centre if it had such a centre. It could do research into training methods and fitness, injuries, skill testing and first aid.

I also recommend that the large clubs and associations seek additional funds through sponsorship and social activities and use those funds to hire full time professional coaching staff, if possible. Local sporting organisations should seek to develop and improve liaison with the increasing number of physical education teachers who have graduated from Limerick but, in a lot of cases, are not very effective in their community because the sporting clubs lack liaison with them. That should be encouraged.

I would urge more partnership between Government and the commercial sector. For example, local councils often have access to prime land surrounded by a large population base and by constructing a facility and leasing it to commercial managers the community can benefit by using an efficiently managed facility at a reasonable cost. Where private enterprise finances a project the cost of the land and high interest rates could render the viability of the facility prohibitive. This is working in some cases like Templeogue swimming pool, for example. I also urge the Minister to consider the future development of outdoor pursuit centres. These could attract people from outside Ireland and be an employment creator. At a recent conference by Cospóir special emphasis was given to outdoor recreation with a view to exploiting our unspoiled natural environment and from the tourist, employment and recreational aspect this area should be seriously looked at.

I also request the Minister to consider, in consultation with other Departments the setting up of skilled training facilities and recreational centres to facilitate people who are unemployed and who could spend their time profitably at such centres and embark on some form of course. Finally, I should like to say that progress requires enthusiasm, optimism, leadership, good management and financial resources. All these elements other than a substantial increase in finance are available. Therefore, I recommend as a high priority that efforts be made to secure additional financial resources from the Government and the commercial sector.

I wish to second the motion and in doing so I should like to congratulate Senator Deenihan on presenting of his case and the way in which he has enumerated a long list of ways in which the Government, and previous Governments, have been coming into the field of developing participation in sports. His case was very well made from that point of view. I should also like to congratulate him on his suggested innovations. One of the main areas of responsibility for Minister of State Creed is sport. There is, as we are all well aware, and as Senator Deenihan has pointed out, a growing awareness of the importance of sport. We have, for example, events of national importance that were not dreamt of a few years ago. For example, the Dublin City Marathon attracts a huge number of participants and, relative to our population, it must be the best marathon in the world from the participation point of view. It attracts widespread interest all over the country if one is to judge by the number of people who are glued to their television sets for hours on the day of that marathon. We have a series of mini-marathons in different centres and cycle races to raise funds for various charitable organisations. There is growing participation in sport. That cannot be denied. There is a growing awareness that participation in sport can promote physical fitness. The Romans had a saying mens sana in corpore sano and we have become more aware of the relevance of that. Not only does it promote and develop physical fitness, it develops teamwork, leadership and an awareness of the need to prepare for big events and give special attention to them. It promotes discipline, self discipline and group discipline. It inculcates a certain pride in the locality and a desire to do something notable for the honour of the little village, as Matt the Thresher did.

Development of sport is at present mainly the responsibility of three groups, Cospóir, the national governing bodies of the different sporting organisations and the Olympic Council of Ireland. For years different organisations worked to promote sport without any State aid. It is still true to say that sporting organisations in the main are run by voluntary effort. It is good that that is so and the day will not ever come when the State could afford to dish out as much money as would keep all our sporting activities going. However, it is an incentive to people who are engaged in promoting sporting activities to know that some aid is forthcoming from the State and that if they run into difficult times they can count on State support. That is the proper way to look at the matter, that it is a judicious combination of the maximum use of voluntary effort plus State aid in exceptional circumstances to develop lines of sport that may not attract a big paying public but are necessary if the maximum number of our people are to participate in some sporting activities. In that regard we are going on the right lines. Nobody would say that all the sporting organisations or all the organisations interested in developing sport are getting the amount of money they would like to get. That cannot be denied but there is a certain satisfaction that in difficult times out of limited resources the Government are prepared to give assistance. They are prepared to assist because they realise that sport plays an important part in the development of our young people and, indeed, of different age groups.

It is very important that people are trained to make the best possible use of their leisure time. From high figures of unemployment that prevail not just here but all over the Western world, it is probably likely that as time progresses the working week will be shorter and there will be more hours of leisure time. It is important that people are trained to make good use of leisure time. There is the need to ensure that people are given the opportunity to develop interests that will keep them away from vandalism, drugs and alcohol. That is the big question before the people and in that way assistance given by the Minister, and the Government, to develop sporting activities is very welcome and will bring beneficial results.

I do not agree altogether with Senator Deenihan's estimation of the work done by Cospóir. Since it was established in 1980 Cospóir has done a vast amount of good work. A plan is being prepared for future development of the activities of Cospóir based mainly on the vocational educational structure. VECs, and their advisory bodies, are doing a great deal of useful work over the length and breath of the country. I have attended a number of the annual seminars run by Cospóir and I was very impressed by the enthusiasm of those who attended and the plans they have for the future. Indeed, I was very favourably impressed with the amount of work that can be done in some areas where there are few facilities.

About a year ago I attended one of those seminars by Cospóir and we were given an example of an event run at a cross roads in County Cork with practically no amenities. The number of people who participated and the huge range of sporting events that were run through was a clear indication of what can be done if people have the determination to succeed. I should like to pay a compliment to the Minister of State for his attendance at these meetings, local and national, for his obvious commitment to the objectives of Cospóir, his appreciation of the difficulties people have to contend with, his readiness to listen to suggestions from those who are involved and his capacity to generate enthusiasm amongst interested people.

If we take a long look at the development of sport here we must conclude that steady progress has been made. Nobody can dispute the fact that physical education halls have been built for a number of years at schools all over the country. It is not many years ago since a physical education hall at big secondary schools was unheard of. The idea of a physical education hall at a primary school would have been regarded as day-dreaming or utterly fantastic. Progress has been made in that field. I remember, and I am sure other Senators do, the time when a vocational committee anxious to appoint a teacher with qualifications in physical education had no choice but to appoint people who got that training in England. That is no longer the case. We have a regular output annually of people with qualifications to teach physical education. Taking that in conjunction with the other points I have made, we can be satisfied that we are making progress. It may be that the progress does not meet the wishes and expectations of people who are very keenly interested, but any fair-minded objective examination of the work that is being done, and that has been done in the last decade or so, will show we are on the right lines.

The aim of Cospóir, one of the three organisations I am most familiar with, is to develop participation rather than competition. It was a fault in the games structure here in the years gone by that the young boy at secondary school who could not earn his place on the college hurling or football team in some way felt inferior, he just did not have the capacity to become an inter-college star footballer or hurler and in some way regarded himself, perhaps, as a bit of a second class citizen. If he did not others might remind him of it. The fact is that everybody does not have the qualities to be an athletic star or the qualities that will make an all-Ireland winner in Croke Park. However, there is great satisfaction to be arrived from participation in some sport. The person who participates in a sport even if it is only at a mediocre standard is the better for having done that. He will grow up a better citizen apart from being a fitter man or girl as the case might be. They will be more satisfied with life and will feel they have played a useful role and are part of a group of people who are doing something. That is one of the greatest aims of Cospóir. They will do a great amount of good by persevering on that line.

I am surprised that Senator Deenihan has put down this motion. I realise he put it down with the best of motive. I understand and have absolutely no hassle with Minister of State for Sport, Deputy Creed, who is in the House today or with his advisers but as a person who has been involved in sport for a long time I believe that our commitment to sport is not adequate. Our commitment has never been adequate. I was looking recently at advertisements that were placed by the Department of Health and Social Welfare, the Health Education Bureau advertisements, advising people to clean their teeth, advising people not to do this and that. If there was the same commitment by Deputy Creed as there is in regard to the Health Education Bureau advertisements we would not have as many hospitals. There is no way that the health services would be over-burdened as they are. People should be encouraged to get involved in sport at every level, at administrative and playing level.

A number of points need to be emphasised. Mention was made of what sport has done in the past for people in schools. Senator O'Brien mentioned that in schools in the early days if one played for the school one was the hero. Unfortunately, things have changed in schools. The only heroes in school now are those who can pass their exams and get jobs. We have to emphasise that if one goes to school one goes for a broad education or for a narrow educational emphasis that will give the results needed but it will not produce great hurlers, rugby players or athletes. I can recall the time when I was growing up that it was the athletes who got the special glass of milk at night. The lad who was going to get seven honours in his Leaving Certificate did not get any glass of milk. Why? It was because the lad who got the seven honours in his Leaving Certificate got them because he got them but if the school won a match it was the school's name that was in the paper the next morning. Nowadays we have a change: boarding schools, because of the costs, are disappearing — that is unfortunate — and the five day system in the boarding schools that are left has militated against the sporting achievements of those schools.

Our commitment as politicians to sport has been diabolical. There is a mention that for the first time ever we are giving £1 million to sport from Government funds. Every week of the year one million pounds goes from industry into sport in sponsorship whether it is from the major sponsors, the people who are breaking the law in a sense, or others. Those people are not allowed to advertise cigarettes on television but can have a four day Carrolls golf tournament. RTE do not turn down the advertising. The Carrolls golf tournament takes place over four days, and fair dues to the Fine Gael man who runs the advertising campaign for Carrolls, he gets plenty of notice for that tournament. I am glad to see that his co-worker with that organisation is now working with Fine Gael also. I do not know if Carrolls has been taken over by Fine Gael or whether the PR department of RTE has been taken over by Fine Gael. However, it is a fact that Carrolls get more publicity for golf sponsorship in an area in which it is illegal to advertise. That is unbelievable. We have the situation here that sport is under capitalised. Small businesses all over the country are sponsoring every day and when the Government say they are giving £1 million satisfaction is expressed by Senator Deenihan. It is not sufficient.

What is sport? Is it for the satisfaction of the person involved in it? Is it for the satisfaction of sponsors or is it for the satisfaction of Government? Sport is a necessary part of our national expression but it is no better a part of our national expression than anything else. It does something for us. Anybody who is involved in sport should be healthier than the person who does not get involved. We spent a hundred times more on trying to prevent people getting bad teeth than we do on sport. In this year of the Olympics 1984, and the centenary year for the GAA, a special grant was given to the GAA. The GAA were delighted to get it but it was a meagre amount for a national organisation that has provided in each and every county sport facilities which the State would not have provided.

I refer to Senator Deenihan's own county and the Austin Stack Park. Were it not for the people of Kerry that park would not be there. In my own county, Kilkenny, Nowlan Park was provided totally by the people of that county without State subvention of any description. There is a pitch in Ballyragget that has all the facilities that are necessary but the State did not subvent that, but it is an educational, cultural and sporting facility that was provided by the people without help from the Government. On athletics £5,000 is being given to BLE, £5,000 to the NACA and £140,000 to the Olympics in the Olympic year. That is a total of £150,000 from the State in an Olympic year. The cost of travelling from here for one athlete to Los Angeles is £500 return. That athlete has to get accommodation in Los Angeles and has to train before he goes there.

It is ludicrous to be congratulating the Government. I have no great faith in the Irish Olympic Council because they are a self perpetuating body who are a little bit removed from sporting people in Ireland. Without mentioning names they have very few people who are involved in athletics, the main event of the Olympics. They have a boxing personality but there is absolutely no way that anybody can become President of the Irish Olympic Council, or the International Olympic Council by being a member of a sporting body in Ireland unless he has a lot of money and a title. I have no respect for the Irish Olympic Council because I do not think it is a democratic organisation.

The Olympic ideal has been totally lost. The Olympic ideal was one of competing and amateurism. We have a situation now where there is not one single amateur athlete going to compete in the Olympics in Los Angeles. Whatever we think of the countries from Eastern Europe at least we can say that they are members of the army of Poland or of Russia. At least they do not claim to be amateurs in the way that we pretend our athletes are amateurs. There is not one solitary member of the Irish amateur athletic team going to the Olympics who is not a full-time professional. If they are full-time professionals we must admit it and allow that they are professionals and forget about this amateur status that is accorded to them by the International Olympic Council.

The Government give grants for sport but in Kilkenny two young people who are brilliant basketball players cannot take up a scholarship in the United States because they cannot get the money for the air fares. They cannot get social welfare benefits, whereas if they went on leave of absence from the Government service they would be allowed social welfare benefits.

Matt the Thresher was mentioned by Senator Andy O'Brien. In the days of Matt the Thresher the honour of the parish was maintained. It is being maintained all over the country at present, not because of Government subvention but rather in spite of Government intervention. The minor sports bodies in this country are not being supported by the Government. Minor sports play as big a part in the overall sporting scene in this country as do the major sporting bodies. The Irish Rugby Football Union, the GAA, the Golfing Union of Ireland, the FAI are the ones that come to mind as being the major sporting organisations. But there are a number of organisations apart from these that deserve support and are not getting the support.

When one looks through the grants-in-aids that we have, there is not one major sporting organisation in this country that I can think of that would be able to pay their executive costs out of any grant that they get from the Government. Every penny they get goes into trying to keep offices open and trying to keep the executive part of their function going. There is not enough money going into the actual playing of games, the actual sporting activity. I am talking about the prevention of disease, the prevention of injury, the keeping of people fit. We spend more money putting people into hospital for tests every week in Dublin city than we do on our total budget for sport in Ireland. That is something with which I am not satisfied.

I will accept that the Minister is doing the best he can. I do not think he is getting enough money from the Government and I am sorry to see that this motion is down because it will give, if this motion is passed, the impression that there is an adequacy of supply of money for sporting facilities in Ireland. There is no doubt that the contribution of the Government to sport is totally inadequate and would have to be raised before I could support this motion.

We discuss this motion at a time of high leisure activity. Interest in athletics, jogging and sport generally has increased. We look at it also at a time when our crime figures have increased out of all proportion as we read in the crime report for 1983. We are talking about this particular motion in 1984, the year of the Los Angeles Olympics. I have participated in sport. Indeed I had the pleasure of being a founder member of the famous basketball club and the athletic club in Athlone and I have competed successfully in all Ireland and Connacht colleges championships in athletics, like my colleague beside me, and indeed I was a county footballer for four years at minor level and an international selector for the Irish amateur basketball senior side. So I have a knowledge, going back over many years, of having a lifetime interest in sport, both on the playing side and on the administration side. Certainly I can say that things have changed drastically since I participated in sport. There are more facilities, I have to admit that. There are more gymnasia, there are more recognised pitches where people can train, not as I used to do across rugged ground and anywhere I could see a green space. But I feel that in this day and age, with the life we are now leading, more and more money should be channelled into sports.

I am not trying to be political. I would say the same no matter who was in government. A sum of £1 million for sport or leisure out of the total national budget is very small indeed. The Government could probably look at this area of sport in many ways. Looking as a member of the EEC the youth and sports grant, for example, to my own county this year of £6,500 seems to me to be extremely paltry indeed when you consider that maybe 30 or 40 organisations will apply and clubs may only receive a figure as low as £50 or £60. The sport advisory sub-committee of the VECs is very important. But again the finances of that depend totally on the goodwill of the committee itself. In Westmeath for last year a figure of £10,000 was provided. This can be very important because it provides money for education, for seminars, for coaching, for clubs right across the county. Certainly, if an equal amount were to come from the Government it would be a big help indeed.

I feel strongly that the Government should, when they speak of money for sport, go into the area of coaching and generally of working in this particular area. That is why I would say that a youth and sport officer for every committee would be very important. At the moment unfortunately all of this essential work is being pushed on to the existing staff of the various committees and no extra staff has been employed as a result of the embargo. Cospóir has been mentioned. They have limited resources. Their policy of sport for all, because of their limited resources, is probably the only thing they can do. That would appear to me to be their terms of reference, and participation rather than actual competition is what they have to engage themselves in. By and large, with their limited terms of reference, they are doing a good enough job.

Senator Lanigan referred to the bigger sports which attract huge crowds. Certainly one would have to say that those organisations can help to fund their own organisations as distinct from, say, a swimming club. It is regrettable that while there is a great interest in swimming in this country, we have no 50 metre pool. This could not be taken on by any swimming club in Ireland. The Government should decide to build a 50 metre pool, probably here in Dublin, because it is a fact that our people who are competing in the Olympic trials had to go out of this country to do their qualifying times. Perhaps this is something the Government would look at. The same goes for rowing — a sport that has been in Athlone for many generations. I know many young men and women who train from 1 January right through the season, and put in dedicated work, but it costs so much to keep a club like that running. Outriggers are enormously dear at the moment. They do not make money on regatta day because of the scattered nature of the events. It is not a type of club that can attract spectators and collect at the gate in the same way as you would at a football match or a hurling match. Other areas like that, canoeing and so on, are all finding themselves in the same boat of paying big prices for their equipment.

The most practical way of all for the Government to help in sport would be to remove VAT from sporting equipment, from hurleys, football boots and equipment generally. The removal of VAT would surely be an indication to everybody that our Government are concerned about sport. This is the most practical way to help.

I am surprised that no reference has been made to the great organisation of recent years, the Community Games and the fantastic work these people are doing right across the country. They would arguably be the second largest association in the country, after the GAA. They would have almost half a million children competing annually and this is something that has to be recognised by our Government. I know, and I would not take away for one moment from the huge community involvement at community level. They can get their prizes for raffles or whatever but at national level it is a different scene. The Government employ and pay for the development officer of the community games but I think they could do a lot more.

May I come back to the area of VAT? For example, the sum this year from the Government to the Community Games is £35,000 and yet £23,000 of that will be paid back to the Government by way of VAT. The reason for that is that the Community Games people will have to pay for services rendered. Over 4,000 children will attend the two weekends in Mosney, and that is the figure that they will have to pay back to the Government, £23,000 out of a total grant of £35,000. I am arguing strongly that that be looked at — the whole area of VAT, VAT on hurleys, VAT on football boots, VAT on stockings, VAT on rowing boats and outriggers and the whole area of sport. Even a reduction would be a tremendous boost for the many sports, in particular the small sports that do not attract the huge crowds that the GAA or rugby or golf can do.

With regard to the minor sports in this country, the less attractive sports from the spectator point of view, there is a lesson to be learned from the approach of the Irish Basketball Association. In the last few years their approach has been for sponsorship to America. It has been tremendously successful, and we have now Team Britvic and all the other teams and we have American players playing on Irish teams and at the moment there are 4,000 and 5,000 people going to ordinary tournament basketball games. This is a vast increase on the numbers that used to attend in the past. There is a lesson to be learned from the Basketball Association and they should be congratulated.

I do not think I will let this occasion pass without referring to the Olympic Games, which clearly are the greatest amateur sporting event in the world. When Baron de Coubertin reformed the Olympics in 1894 in Athens his theme, as it should be now, was that it is not the winning but the taking part that counts. The question is whether that still prevails today. I have doubts. How important and how real is amateurism in this country when you find young cyclists being given £50 and £60 a weekend just to cycle in a race? It seems that there is something wrong, and certainly the old approach of running and cycling for the love of it is no longer there.

The sad events of a number of countries not taking part in the Olympics is something we should all be saddened about. There should be no politics in sport. That is my own personal opinion and I feel strongly about it. We all know the expense of staging the games is enormous. For example in Montreal in 1976 we had 88 nations taking part. It cost the Canadian taxpayers $200 billion. I am saddened that politics has interfered in sport and I am saddened that it should be allowed to continue. I would say that this year, as indeed in every year, there will be a hero or a heroine. For example, in Montreal in 1976 we had Nadia Comancei, the world figure. We had in Munich a Mark Spitz, in Mexico the famous long jumber Bob Beaman. In Helsinki we had for me the greatest athlete of all time, Emil Zatopek, winning the 5,000 and the 10,000 metres and running his first marathon and winning that also. What worries and saddens me is that some person, capable of being such a hero will not become known because he or she will not be taking part because of politics. That is a very sad thing. My hope is that this year will be the last time that this will happen. We are a neutral country, we are a nation held well in the esteem of the nations of the world, and somebody should make an effort once and for all to correct this position. Our Taoiseach and our leaders at world conferences should say: "Let us get together. Hands off the Olympics. Let us keep politics out of the Olympic Games. Let us preserve the Olympic Games". If it means going back to a permanent base in Athens let us do it. It is costing millions and millions of pounds at present. We have a duty as a small sporting, neutral nation. We can start the ball rolling in this area.

There was the killing, for example, some years ago of——

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

The Senator has one minute.

——eleven Israelis, five terrorists and a policeman. It is definitely difficult to justify the continuance of the games in the face of such tragedies. The Baron de Coubertin ideal of harmony and of friendship is definitely being destroyed. The future of the games, in my opinion, looks extremely bleak. Politics should never introduce on this great event. It would be my hope that the games would become worthy of their glorious history, the high ideals which inspired their founder Baron de Coubertin and his associates.

Coming back again to the local scene there is an area in which I think the Government can help out. The Minister can help out and have words with his colleague the Minister for the Environment in the area of planning. I believe that where you have an estate of 60, 70 or 80 houses you should have a four acre field where boys and girls can kick a football, put up pitches, play Gaelic, soccer, rugby or whatever they like. It should be basic in every estate of that size. If we have a pitch near every national school or if we can have a pitch and a gymnasium near every secondary school or vocational school, as Senator Deenihan said, so much the better. The planning laws might be looked at and we might have the pitch first before we have the houses. I am not taking from the efforts of the Minister in any way and I would say the same no matter who was there, £1 million seems a small amount of money in comparison with the overall national budget. Nonetheless I support every effort to continue to finance sport from the Exchequer.

Senator O'Leary has ten minutes.

That time will be more than sufficient for me. First of all, we should be grateful to Senators Deenihan and O'Brien for putting this motion before us. I know from discussions I have had with both of them that they do so not in a party spirit but hoping to put on record the concern of Senators on all sides of the House in relation to the importance of sport and the importance of the Government's commitment to it and as an encouragement to this Government and any future Government to the development by them of an even greater involvement in sport. Therefore, I should like to discuss the motion not against the background of merely congratulating the Government but also hoping and putting on record our expectations that the Government will continue to respond like this and that this policy will have cross-party support so that over a number of years, with the changes of Government that take place from time to time, the process of development of sporting facilities would not be hindered by any such change of Government.

Listening to the Members here, it strikes me that the definition of what we mean by sporting activities is very important. What I mean by sporting activities might be totally different from what other people mean by it. I mean the development of physical activities of all kinds of a sporting nature for young people, middle aged and elderly people at all levels of skill. This is the important thing. We must develop a policy which caters for people at different levels of skill. To channel all moneys into facilities and training for the specialist few will lead to a specialisation and an excellence by a small number of people and failure to develop in a proper way the lives of young people in particular who may not be gifted by God with a great deal of coordination.

The Government's commitment towards ensuring that Ireland's participation in the Olympic Games on this occasion will be well funded is welcome. While we should like to place on record that commitment and our support for it, we hope that underneath that there is going to be a big level of activity in sports. I am speaking now for the sports that will be represented in the Olympic Games starting at a parish level, at a club level and indeed at a street by street level. I hope this will be encouraged by a Government programme which, as Senator Deenihan quite rightly states, must be based on the schools. There is no other possible starting point for bringing young people together in a co-ordinated fashion. Young people living in cities and in country areas, widely separated from each other either by distance in the rural areas or by people of different age structures in urban situations, do not have the cohesiveness which is necessary to develop into units which will enable team efforts and team games to be practiced. Therefore, team games need some coordinating spirit or group, and the difficulty with getting young people together at a young age and the short time that is available when you take into account their other various activities, means that the only time that is available for young people is at school. In proposing this motion, Senator Deenihan quite rightly emphasised the importance of the education process in this, of using the time available for education — the portion of time which is available for physical activity — using it in the best possible way. This is of vital importance.

This Government have, and indeed previous Governments had been developing the policy whereby schools will be encouraged not only to use the expertise of the teachers but also to bring in expertise from outside the schools. Senator Deenihan again emphasised something which is very important: there is a change taking place in the relationship between male and female teachers in national schools and that will have a very serious consequence in years to come for skills of a type which are normally practiced by men. The employment by the schools, with the encouragement of the Government, of outside helpers to make up for this potential deficiency is very important if the team games of which we are so proud are to survive and prosper. This is absolutely vital. In this regard I know that the Minister will speak — when he speaks in this debate — of developments that have taken place in this regard. My son at present — as part of his school curriculum — is being tutored in hurling and in Gaelic football. This is being done by young people who previous to being employed in this area were unemployed. It is being done under the supervision of their teachers and it is tremendously successful. This is one example of what the Government can do to aid schools and help young people to overcome the difficulties caused by the changes that have taken place and will continue to take place in national schools in years to come. In ten or 20 years' time national teaching is going to be a totally female-dominated profession.

The Senator has one minute.

The Government have further duties in helping the more structured organisations like the Gaelic Athletic Association. It is also very important to help organisations like the Community Games. While the Community Games have a competitive element, the number of people who participate at parish level is enormous. The frequency of their participation is the only thing which is unsatisfactory because the number of times in which they participate in a year is quite small at Community Games level. Leaving that matter aside, they do more good, not in their national finals at Butlins but at community and parish levels, than a lot of the more structured and permanent and traditional organisations. The Government have helped the Community Games in this regard and they should continue to help them.

Finally, I should like to say that the sporting facilities being provided now by the Government either directly or indirectly in schools, through community councils, through the development of physical structures on pitches owned by the various sporting associations and the help being received from the Government for this, through the aegis of AnCO and the various other agencies of this nature, are all to be welcomed. The Government should be encouraged not only to continue those projects but to develop them so that with the increasing amount of leisure time which is available to young people they can be encouraged to use it when they are young so that in later years when the number of hours work available to them or the number of hours which they will be expected to do, will be less than was done by their forefathers, they will have got into the habit of using their leisure time in a constructive and manly fashion.

Debate adjourned.
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