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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 28 Jun 1984

Vol. 104 No. 8

Wool Marketing Bill, 1984: Second Stage (Resumed) and Subsequent Stages.

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

When the debate was adjourned yesterday evening I had almost completed my remarks on the Second Stage of this Bill. I outlined — very briefly — our opposition on this side of the House to the dissolution of the Wool Council. Because this council have done such a good job over the past 15 years in promoting Irish wool, in improving the quality of the fleece, in improving the marketing of wool, I think it is a very retrograde step now to have this body dissolved. There is still a job for this council to do. I would prefer to see their responsibilities broadened rather than to have them dissolved altogether. I outlined a few areas where I thought the council could become involved, in promoting the sale of Irish woollen garments, Irish carpets, Irish tweed and all the other things that are so well known worldwide.

The sheep industry and the wool industry have become very important in terms of national income. There is an opportunity there for strengthening that, particularly with the entry to the French market of our Irish lamb. It is obvious that with a little bit of encouragement the sheep flock will increase over the next few years, because when farmers and producers see an opportunity of increasing their profit margins naturally they will turn their eyes towards that particular area. Sheep in the last few years have proved highly profitable. There is a lot of work to be done in the area of increasing our flock numbers, and here An Foras Talúntais have done an excellent job in helping to produce more lambs. They should be encouraged and helped in every way by the Department of Agriculture.

For those reasons I am opposing the dissolution of the Wool Council. Even at this stage perhaps the Minister and the Government should have a rethink on the whole matter.

I do not think there is necessarily much conflict between what the Minister said in introducing this Bill and what Senator Hussey has said now. In saying that he opposed the abolition of the Wool Council Senator Hussey referred to the great work which they have done. But when he went on to speak about it he was talking about the work of establishment. He talked about the way in which they had gone into a situation, where the wool marketing trade was badly organised, they set down standards, they looked for markets and they transformed this sector of the agricultural industry. There is nothing in what the Minister has said which denies that. The question is not whether An Chomhairle Olla did a good job when they were established. There is absolutely no question about that. Everybody acknowledges that, in fact, they did a splendid job. The real question here is whether, having transformed this sector of the agricultural industry, in maintaining things is best done under an independent council or under the Department. Let us look at the situation. In fact it has been operated inside the Department for the last 12 months. Has there been a falling off? Has the good work of An Chomhairle Olla been undone? No, the situation is quite otherwise. The situation is that production is up over the last 12 months, prices are up over the last 12 months, exports are up over the last 12 months. The transfer back to the Department has not resulted in any falling off. It may well be — I certainly would hope it would not happen — that this will not be maintained. But I submit that if we look at it there is no evidence that the change — the Minister is now giving legislative effect to what has already happened administratively — is a change for the worse. I do not think the Minister or anybody on this side of the House would hesitate if, in fact, in the future we saw the wool industry which is vital to the west of Ireland — Senator Hussey knows this far better than I do but I agree with him — and it is an area in which we have high class production and we all hope that now with what we hope is the final solution to the problem of breaching the illegal defences of the French in regard to lamb there will be a further advance in regard to the wool market. I do not want it to be indicated that because we support the Minister on this particular Bill that that is, in any sense, a criticism of what An Chomhairle Olla did during their first two years. They did a splendid job. That must be acknowledged. But the job that has to be done now is a different sort of job from the job they did so well. The signs are over the past 12 months that this job can be done more economically inside the Department. If that ceases to be true the Minister will get plenty of criticism from this side of the House.

I would have to agree with Senator Hussey. In the distant past I was involved in sheep herding and sheep shearing and I recall that at that time infestation was a very big problem. It posed a serious threat not only to the wool but to the health and lives of the animals. The fact that this problem has been solved and is under control may be due to the work of An Chomhairle Olla. I recall also that at that time the warm summers were a contributory cause of the problem and it is new to me to learn that the good weather this year has resulted in a good clip of wool. It shows how people can lose touch and the relevance of continuing education, which we spoke about on the Dentists Bill yesterday. In any profession it is important to keep in touch with developments and this also applies to farming. It is necessary to apply at least a half day every week to new developments and new trends to keep abreast of developments.

I find it difficult to understand how one man can adequately replace An Chomhairle Olla. The sum of £100,000 saved seems very little by comparison with the £11 million income which the Minister spoke about. New spheres should be found for An Chomhairle Olla and one of them would be in having more of the Irish clip used in the country. The Minister told us that over 70 per cent of the Irish clip is exported, 65 per cent going to Great Britain. Much work could be done in this area. I have said that instead of abolishing the Land Commission, who have done their work well over the years, new work could be found for them and one of them would be in the land leasing area. Instead of abolishing An Chomhairle Olla new work could be found for it within this area. I am opposed to the Bill.

Like Senator Dooge I feel that An Chomhairle Olla served their purpose well and have made a big improvement on the quality of the wool because of the information they gave to farmers on how to handle wool. At this stage, farmers are fairly well educated and will be able to carry on. I would like to compliment the Department on the information they give with regard to prices. Every farmer in the country is now well informed about the market and knows the prices in Bradford where the big sales of wool are held and knows what he should be getting from his local merchant.

I would like the Minister to have a look at the question of sheep scab. We still have outbreaks in different parts of the country. I would also like him to look at the question of identification of sheep at marts for dipping. One certificate is given to the flock at dipping time and that does not necessarily say that all the sheep have been presented for dipping. The question of a dye or some form of identification to prove that sheep had been dipped should be examined. It is not a good system where it is left to the local authority.

We have sheep dipping committees and I am a member of one of the sheep dipping advisory committees. Nothing concrete is being done apart from talking about it. I do not agree with too many inspectors but we should have a better inspectorate to look at sheep scab and some of the money that is spent on what I consider to be a waste of time by sheep dipping committees could be spent by the Department on the inspection of sheep at marts. The sheep area is one of the few areas where we can expand in agriculture. We are coming to the end of the good times for beef and we are almost at the end of the line in dairying but in the sheep trade we can go a long way. The EEC are only 70 per cent self-sufficient in lamb and if more effort could be concentrated on our breeding policy we could improve the lambing rates and bring it up to one lamb per sheep. Our hill flocks have a lambing rate of only 50 per cent. If we could get the percentage up to 80 per cent we would be going a long way towards improving the lot of farmers.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

I wonder if you are straying a little bit away from the Bill?

Not on the question of sheep scab. That is where we can lose a lot of the wool crop and I would ask the Minister to take note of that and see if something can be done about improving identification in regard to sheep dipping.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Before I call on the Minister to conclude I wonder if the Leader of the House would indicate if we break for lunch because on the Order of Business we decided——

I would suggest that what we could do is complete Second Stage and possibly the remaining Stages of this Bill and then adjourn until 2 o'clock.

That would be all right because I have no intention of delaying the Bill. We can go on to Committee Stage after the Minister has replied.

I want to thank the Senators for their contributions on this Bill. I do not propose to spend too much time on a speech at the end of Second Stage but there are a number of factors I would like to place on record. Like all Senators in their contributions I would go to great lengths to pay a very sincere tribute to the outgoing members of An Chomhairle Olla. I think it is only fair that we should roll back the record and the history that was involved and the environment in which this board was formulated some years ago. At that time, our sheep industry, particularly our wool industry, was absolutely in a shambles. That was the time when Irish wool had a bad name all over the world — it had a bad name in Ireland for that matter. We were producing an inferior quality product that nobody wanted and it was displayed in the worst conditions. For that reason all the interests involved then were brought together, primarily for an education process.

I would agree with all Senators that the role of the Wool Council at that stage has been fulfilled. Now, the basics involved in the promotion of wool, market intelligence, etc., are on a par with anything I have seen in any country in Europe. That is not that the learning process should not continue. Through a job I had ten years ago with Macra na Feirme I had the pleasure or organising two or three all-Ireland sheep-shearing finals.

In so far as the Wool Council were concerned there was a huge educational job to be done. I am of the opinion that there is not a sheep farmer in Ireland who does not understand the problems that will beset him if he decides to present wool of inferior quality for sale. It will hit him in the pocket, which is something that appeals to all people irrespective of what line of business, agricultural or industrial, he is in. There is a premium for good wool, and it is against that background that the Wool Council have been fulfilling the functions for which they were established. Certain important functions which were performed by the Wool Council should be continued. I will outline them briefly. One of the most important things in the entire wool business over the years — it always reminds me of the stock exchange — is that the world market for wool always has been a most remarkable place to trade, with ups and downs and for no apparent reason most of the time.

Until the market intelligence reports of the Wool Council came into operation the problem was that many things could have happened in Bradford and, indeed, in other centres in England and all over Europe and if, for instance, there was a good steady trade at an upward level of prices, that information did not percolate back to the Irish sheep farmer until it was too late. On many occasions down through the years farmers sold wool under its true value. Because of market intelligence we have now adopted and which was pursued by the Wool Council through news bulletins and newspaper reports what happens in the great sale in Bradford today will be transmitted through the airwaves in Ireland that evening. That is a very important service and I propose to continue it. Yesterday and last week it was transmitted on the airwaves that the wool trade in Bradford was on a rising trend. That manifested itself at many of the wool buyers' premises in Ireland 12 hours later and the price of wool jumped by 2p per lb.

As far as the question of wool handling facilities around the country is concerned it is not enough to say, nor is it true to say, that now it is a one man band. The one man in question is an expert on all matters relating to wool, but when you consider that there are many agricultural officers around the country who carry out inspections of wool buyers' premises it can be seen that there are many people involved in the whole area of the wool industry. From an education point of view, new courses are being organised in the sheep areas by ACOT. I had the pleasure a couple of months ago of presenting certificates at Maam Cross to people who had completed a 60-hour course on sheep husbandry. This course obviously incorporated matters relating to wool. This type of activity is an extension to the work done by the Wool Council. In that sense the great work carried out by the Wool Council has been completed in that sense.

There are many other aspects of their work that should be continued. I agree with what Senator Dooge said and I guarantee to the House that if we find for one reason or another that the best interests of wool producers are not being met, I will seriously look at the situation that may develop to see what would be best in those circumstances.

Finally, I would like to place on the record of the House that the sheep industry is on very firm footing. We have access to the lucrative French market. We must ensure, of course, at all times that we have the type of quality the market requires. With a 6 per cent increase in sheep numbers this year we will have more wool to sell in the future. I am told by my advisers that the increase we now see in the national flock will continue. In the future wool will be of more significance and importance to the incomes of many small farmers around the country. It is against that background that I believe the Bill before us will not mean in any way that any sheep farmer will be worse off. Because of what has happened in the last 12 months the sheep trade is in good condition. I will give the House the undertaking that in the years to come, if for any reason we find that the best interests of the wool producers are not being served, I will look at it.

Question put.
The Seanad divided: Tá, 21; Nil, 13.

  • Belton, Luke.
  • Bulbulia, Katharine.
  • Burke, Ulick.
  • Connor, John.
  • Conway, Timmy.
  • Daly, Jack.
  • Deenihan, Jimmy.
  • Dooge, James C.I.
  • Durcan, Patrick.
  • Ferris, Michael.
  • Fleming, Brian.
  • Higgins, Jim.
  • Kelleher, Peter.
  • Kennedy, Patrick.
  • McDonald, Charlie.
  • McMahon, Larry.
  • Magner, Pat.
  • O'Leary, Seán
  • Quealy, Michael A.
  • Robinson, Mary T.W.
  • Ross, Shane P.N.

Níl

  • Cassidy, Donie.
  • de Brún, Séamus.
  • Fitzsimons, Jack.
  • Honan, Tras.
  • Hussey, Thomas.
  • Kiely, Rory.
  • Lanigan, Mick.
  • Lynch, Michael.
  • Mullooly, Brian.
  • O'Toole, Martin J.
  • Ryan, Brendan.
  • Ryan, William.
  • Smith, Michael.
Tellers: Tá: Senators Belton and Conway; Níl: Senators de Brún and W. Ryan.
Question declared carried.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
Bill put through Committee, reported without amendment, received for final consideration and passed.
Sitting suspended at 12.50 p.m. and resumed at 2 p.m.
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