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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 5 Dec 1984

Vol. 106 No. 5

Adjournment Matter. - Castleisland (Kerry) Vocational School.

I would like to thank the Cathaoirleach for allowing this very important local issue to be aired here tonight. First of all, I would like to outline the diary of events to date in the effort to provide a new vocational school for Castleisland.

In 1972 due to the local need the Kerry VEC decided that a new vocational school was needed in the area. They went ahead and sought out a site in Castleisland for this purpose. In September 1974 a site near the present community centre was purchased for the proposed new school. By June 1976 the transfer of the site was completed. By January 1977 details of the number and type of rooms required was forwarded to the Department by the VEC. In February 1978 there was a meeting of the CEO and staff in Castleisland. The CEO at the time, Mr. McDwyer, promised that the school would be available for September, 1980. As yet it has not become available.

In August 1978 the Department of Education forwarded their list of rooms to the principal and to the CEO. In October of the same year the teachers sent back their comments on the Department's list of rooms that was forwarded to them and they reluctantly accepted the recommendations by the Department. Again they stressed that there was a need for more practical rooms as opposed to the number of academic rooms that were proposed at the time. In May 1979 there was a special meeting at the Department of Education offices in Dublin and full agreement was reached here on the size of the school and the type and number of rooms. Mr. Heneghan, who was an architect at the Department of Education at the time, promised that capital was to be provided at the end of 1980 and that a contractor would be on the site at the end of 1980 or the beginning of 1981. Present at that meeting were Mr. McDwyer and Mr. Tarrant, who is principal of the school, and Mr. Kennedy of Kerry VEC. The time-scale of planning and building was discussed and agreed on in detail. In August 1979 a sketch of the plan was forwarded to the Department. In March 1980 there was an about-turn by the Department of Education. They sent back a new list of rooms reducing the size of the school. Their argument was that due to the fact that the growth in second level education was over there was no point in building a school of the magnitude proposed.

At the end of March 1980 a revised schedule of accommodation was examined by the CEO and senior staff in the school and referred back to the Department accepting the new reduced school size but requesting an increased number of specialist rooms to include more practical rooms and a language room as well, which I think has more relevance now as a result of the recent EC Summit here in Dublin.

In July 1980 the Department replied. They would not accept any change in their list of accommodation. Several letters from the CEO and the County Kerry VEC were sent to the Department requesting the Department to accept the local list of accommodation as it was the least they could accept. Otherwise, they would be accepting a school with a large number of general classrooms and a small number of practical subject rooms.

In October 1982, a developed sketch plan of the new school had been approved. By July 1983 final plans were forwarded to the Department of Education. In May 1984, the plans were revised by the Department and this included a change in the boiler-house from automatic to manual. A bill of quantities was started and completed by mid-October 1984. On November 5 1984 the bill of quantities was sent and received in the Department of Education for consideration.

I would like to go into the history of Castleisland vocational school and its contribution to the community over the years. Castleisland vocational school was built in 1935. The year 1985 will be its jubilee year and indeed it would be a fine gesture if they could get a new school in that year. The catchment area extends over a wide area. In most places, it is densely populated, in areas northwards towards Knocknagashel it is sparsely populated. It extends westwards from Faranfore and Ballymacelligott, overlapping with the Tralee catchment area where it is competing for students and because of the lack of facilities is losing students as a result. It extends northwards to Abbeyfeale, County Limerick. It is competing with the very well-facilitated vocational school in Abbeyfeale. It extends southwards to Scartaglen and here it is overlapping with both the Rathmore and Killarney catchment areas. It extends eastwards to the Cork boundary, to Deputy Creed's own constituency, overlapping with Boherbue comprehensive catchment area.

There are pupils crossing over from the Castleisland catchment area into these areas and travelling to school sometimes at the expense of their families because of the lack of proper facilities in Castleisland. The average enrolment of pupils in Castleisland vocational school over the past ten years has been 286.5 students. The current enrolment for 1984-85 school year has been 291. Recent surveys carried out in the area on the school-going population show a slight increase in the number of students. There has been a slight increase in population. At the present time, there are four permanent classrooms. These were erected in 1935. There are two semi-permanent classrooms which are flat-roofed and covered with felt. These were erected in 1958. There are, 11 per-fabs erected from 1967 to 1979. These, no doubt, were erected in response to the growing need for education at the time as a result of free transport and free education which were introduced at the end of the sixties.

The rooms are widely scattered and are totally unsuitable for modern large classes. Timetabling of schools curricula and groups is very difficult as a result of the placement of the pre-fabs. The pre-fabs are in very poor condition. They are costing the VEC large amounts of money to maintain. The structure of the pre-fabs is disintegrating and they will have to be repaired very soon or replaced — hopefully — by a new school. The heating cost has soared over the past ten years. The fact that the pre-fabs are poorly insulated renders them almost impossible to heat adequately. No doubt this endangers the health of both, students and teachers alike and is not very conducive to learning. A wide-ranging curriculum is available in the school, both practical and academic, and also social and religious developments are catered for despite inadequate facilities. A vocational preparation and training programme and a senior secretarial course are made available to the students. No doubt the curriculum would be greatly expanded and improved if the new school and its resources were made available. This would be of immense benefit to both the pupils and the community alike.

The school provides the only metalwork and woodwork facilities for students in the catchment area. The other two schools in the area do not provide these facilities. These subjects are continued to leaving certificate as Engineering and Building Construction respectively. The present classroom accommodation and teaching facilities are totally inadequate to meet the demands of students and the community alike in these subject areas. Both subjects are being taught in pre-fabs, and although the students have been very successful in intermediate and leaving certificate examinations in these subjects nevertheless they are at a considerable disadvantage when they compete with students who have experienced better schools and better facilities for places on apprenticeship schemes and for entry into third level colleges.

The school at the moment has no science laboratory; science is being taught in two pre-fabs where there is very little equipment. No individual experiment units are available, and only a few very dangerous sockets. This environment, I feel is totally unsuitable for the learning and teaching processes alike. Again, it is very unfair for the pupils and no doubt affects their future prospects if they wish to seek a career in the areas where science subjects are essential.

In the subject areas of home economics and secretarial studies the present accommodation is obsolete. The home economics room having been designed in 1935 has no modern cookers or other cooking facilities. It is half the size of the proposed room in the new school. Let me add that it is part of the policy and the philosophy of the school to encourage as many of the male population as possible in the school to study home economics. It is part of their co-educational process in the school. Secretarial studies are carried out in a pre-fab also. The availability of typewriters and space is no doubt a limiting factor. I would like to point out that the school offers the only full secretarial course in the area. To satisfy this need a proper secretarial room is required.

Computer studies are being offered to the pupils from first year. This no doubt is due to the very good principal in the school and his initiative. Again, this is not being offered at the other post-primary schools in the area. The school also provides an extensive adult education programme, the only school in the district that provides adult education. I am sure the Minister realises the importance of this. Courses in metalwork, woodwork and home economics are available to adults. However, the scope of participation is restricted due to the lack of facilities, and let me add, the lack of car parking facilities in front of the school.

As the school is the centre of an agricultural region the staff have made efforts to introduce practical work in both horticulture and agriculture. However, they find this impossible and have been hampered by the lack of land. In fact, the land that was originally with the school is now covered with pre-fabs. They have no space to grow horticultural produce or to carry out any type of practical work in those two very important areas.

In the proposed new school adequate space will be available for this type of field work. Emphasis is placed on this type of work in the school. There has been a lot of interest shown by the pupils in both agricultural and horticultural field studies. The present art room is converted from the old woodwork room built in 1935. There is no library in the school. Geography is taught in a pre-fab, with very little space for wall charts, maps and other visual aids. Having been a former geography teacher myself I realise how difficult this must be for both the teachers and pupils.

There are no social areas available where pupils can sit and talk during break times and generally take recreation. There are no PE facilities in the present school. In fact, the pupils have to travel long distances to the local playing pitches and to the community centre for games and PE. Again, I may add that the new school will be built next to the existing community centre in Castleisland. No doubt this will enhance the pupils' health and it should lead to more use of the community centre in Castleisland.

Because of the inadequate facilities available both the students and the community have suffered much over the years. To be properly prepared for our modern technological era the pupils must have the required facilities, otherwise they will be at a considerable disadvantage when they go out and compete with pupils from more facilitated schools. The adult population deserve the chance to continue their education and to acquire skills they were unable to acquire — or were deprived of — during their school years. This is a very important consideration.

The new school will provide up-to-date science facilities, including a proper science laboratory, secretarial facilities which will involve the use of computers and word processors, a modern history and geography room, an art room, a multi-purpose room which can be used for PE and drama and other school activities; a library which will be of tremendous benefit to both the pupils and teachers for reference purposes and also to adults in the area; a new home economics room which would further facilitate the school's philosophy towards encouraging co-education in this area; and new woodwork and metalwork rooms which would help to prepare, the pupils more adequately for their future and help them in their preparation for future employment by enhancing their prospects in the job area. The site of the new school — as I said before — is close to Castleisland community centre.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

The Senator has three minutes.

The pupils will be in a better position to use the facility of the community centre when they are in the new school. The local athletic club, in co-operation with the VEC, intend to provide a running track in the grounds of the new school. However, it is a source of disappointment to me that there is no language laboratory in the new plan. If we are to become adequate at languages such as French and German a language laboratory is an essential part of any school. I would like the Minister to consider this for the future.

Finally, I take this opportunity to congratulate the principal and teaching staff of Castleisland vocational school on their dedication and service to their pupils and community in rather difficult circumstances over the past ten years. I appeal to the Minister to ensure that there is no further delay within the Department concerning the school and that it will go to tender early in the new year.

I have no notion of going into all the details which Senator Deenihan has outlined or to go over the road which he has travelled in relation to commitments and promises made already. Invariably, in a situation of that sort where you have debates on school buildings and where you have local communities and local committees involved in the promotion and the development of a new school, there are quite a considerable amount of pressures. I have no doubt that Castleisland has been on the mat for a considerable time. I do not intend to go into the area of the facilities available in the existing school, about which I am sure Senator Deenihan has a very thorough knowledge.

I want to put on record here this evening, in reply to Senator Deenihan, the sequence of events which led to the current situation in relation to the school. My Department have approved the provision of a new vocational school at Castleisland to provide 325 places. Planning has reached a very advanced stage. The bills of quantities have been submitted to the Department by the County Kerry Vocational Education Committee and are now under examination.

The Senator speaks of successive delays over a period of ten years. There has been no deliberate delay in the planning of this school or, indeed, of any other school. It must be understood that in estimating the provisions to be made each year for capital school building a variety of factors must be taken into consideration, such as the number of projects already under construction, the number of projects reaching completion and the number of new projects to reach the architectural planning stage when the contracts may be placed. Unfortunately, it is a fact of life that our needs exceed our resources in the matter of capital for school accommodation and that a system of priorities in the handling of applications for additional or replacement accommodation must be operated. Although we may be aware of certain schools, capital and personnel restraints may inhibit the initiation of planning.

In the case of Castleisland there has been contact since the late sixties between the vocational education committee and the Department concerning the conditions at this school and at their other schools, with a view to the overall development of post-primary education facilities generally in the area. The existing accommodation has only six permanent teaching spaces, four built in 1935 and two built in 1968. The remaining accommodation consists of temporary pre-fabricated rooms provided at various times between 1967 and 1975.

With future development in mind the committee was continuously on the lookout for land on which to build a new school. Finally in February 1973 the Department advised the committee to open negotiations in regard to the possibility of acquiring a particular site which appeared to be exceptionally suitable. The committee did this and a site was eventually purchased. However, it was only in early 1975 that the County Kerry Vocational Education Committee applied to the Department for approval to proceed with the development of permanent buildings at Castleisland. This was only one out of ten projects proposed by the committee. Before giving their approval the Department had to examine their ongoing commitments and it was in April 1977 that approval in principle to the provision of a new school, to cater for 325 students, was conveyed to the committee, with the proviso that it would not be possible to initiate planning in 1977. In July 1978 the Department commenced discussion and correspondence with the committee, with the object of taking the project into the building programme.

The Department advised the committee that provisions would be made for a new school for 375 places — not 325 as originally estimated — and sought agreement on the range and extent of new accommodation to be provided. Schedule of accommodation was agreed to by the committee in March 1979. In May of that year a planning briefing meeting was held with the committee's design team in order to initiate the planning of this project. A site report and an outline sketch scheme was submitted by the committee on 19 September 1979. While this was being examined the question of the number of pupil places to be provided was reviewed. In the light of the current enrolment trends it was decided that 325 places would be sufficient for the foreseeable future. This necessitated a revised schedule of accommodation to be provided and also the submission by the committee of a revised outline sketch scheme. The committee wished to have full provisions made for all the practical and scientific subjects, including both building construction and senior metalwork, subjects which had been taught in the school since 1974. It was not possible to meet the committee's wishes within the limit of our area norm without causing a serious imbalance between teaching areas and areas for ancillary accommodation plus circulation.

Discussion was ongoing during 1980 on the matter. Finally, in May 1981 a revised schedule of accommodation was agreed, which, by skillful re-arranging of spaces met fully the needs of the school for specialist subjects at a cost of a mere 100 square metres above our usual area norm. This, however, was a very exceptional measure. The committee submitted a revised outline sketch scheme to the Department in November 1981, although outstanding documentation was not received until February 1982. In March, the committee was advised that their planning approach, as shown in the outline scheme, was considered satisfactory as a basis for proceeding to the next stage. The developed sketch scheme was submitted to the Department in July 1982. It was necessary to carry out the revisions to this stage but it was finally cleared in January 1983. The next stage — that is the detailed working drawings — was submitted in July 1983. Whilst this documentation was under examination it was necessary to carry out a review of all projects in course of planning with a view to rationalisation to ensure that in our existing financial climate there would be no unnecessary duplication of scarce resources and that there would be the maximum amount of co-ordination and integration in the provision and use of school facilities. This meant that the approval to prepare the bills of quantities for Castleisland could not be given until June 1984. The committee submitted the bills in November and these are now being examined by my Department.

I must point out that the Department's building programme is carried out in accordance with well defined procedures. The procedures have been developed in response to the demands for the provision of suitable buildings in accordance with carefully worked out space requirements and cost planning for the purpose of having buildings provided as speedily as proper planning allows. Standards of school design, cost control and effective administration have been set adherence to which will ensure that the programme of educational building required will be put through to provide buildings which serve their purpose well and achieve this economically. When the wishes and requests of schools authorities are not in line with our procedures and standards, then it is necessary to work at the problem arising, and this takes up much time. Castleisland is at an advanced stage, and as soon as the examination of the bills of quantities has been completed and the documentation found to be satisfactory, the question of allowing the committee to seek tenders will be reviewed in the light of our other commitments and capital availability.

As I said at the outset I have no doubt whatsoever in my mind that it is necessary to provide a new school at Castleisland and it is necessary to provide all the accommodation mentioned by Senator Deenihan. As far as I am concerned I am only too anxious to try to replace, not alone at Castleisland, but at many other schools throughout the country the very bad pre-fabricated buildings where students are accommodated. It is difficult for teachers to maintain discipline. They are cold in the winter and hot in the summer. I am well aware of the difficulties involved for teachers and students concerned. We must bear in mind that we have not unlimited resources to meet the demands. There are many pressing cases at present. I will have the recommendations from my Department within the next two weeks. I will examine them. I cannot, at this stage, give any further indication as to when this school will be allowed to go to tender. There are many other schools in the country equally deserving, but I will see what I can do within the next few weeks.

The Seanad adjourned at 9.25 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 6 December 1984.

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