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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 12 Dec 1984

Vol. 106 No. 7

Adjournment Matter. - Castlerea (Roscommon) Vocational School.

Tá áthas orm deis a bheith agam an tairiscint seo a chur i láthair Sheanad Éireann. Déanaim amhlaidh, le aird an Aire Oideachais a dhíriú ar an droch-bhail atá ar chúrsaí gairmoideachais i gCaisleán Riabhach le blianta fada. Is náire shaolta é an fhaillí, agus an éagóir atá déanta ar an nghairmscoil ansin agus iarraim ar an Aire féachaint chuige go leigheasfar an scéal chomh luath in Éirinn agus is féidir.

The matter I wish to raise concerns the deplorable and totally unacceptable situation regarding vocational education in Castlerea, County Roscommon, over many years. I shall now outline the underlying facts which clearly demonstrate the continued neglect of the needs of the area in this regard. Until the mid-thirties the vocational school was the first second level educational centre in the town. It was a four-classroom building and started with an enrolment of approximately 40 students. Meánscoil Iosaf a co-educational lay secondary school, was founded by Mary O'Flanagan in private accommodation in the early forties. The Sisters of Mercy started their full-scale secondary school some 20 years afterwards. With the advent of free education and the provision of school transport, accommodation difficulties in the vocational school reached crisis proportions.

It was on account of this that the VEC provided eight prefabs which were located close to the main school building. This, however, proved quite insufficient. Additional accommodation had to be rented at other locations in different parts of the town. As attendances continued to increase, it became patently obvious that the only solution to the problem was to build a new school. Various overtures to the Department of Education in this regard proved fruitless, and so this disgraceful situation was allowed to continue.

In 1979 the Roscommon VEC applied to the Department of Education for permission to build a new school. Three years elapsed before permission or approval was given early in 1982. By then the enrolments had increased enormously and the approved school was planned to cater for 275 students. It was purely coincidental that on 2 June, 1982 Meánscoil Iosaf, the co-educational secondary school in the town, applied to the VEC to amalgamate with the vocational school. This was nothing new. A similar amalgamation had been successfully effected in Elphin some years previously when the vocational school there amalgamated with the local Grammar school. At its July meeting of 1982 the VEC agreed to the request for amalgamation from Meánscoil Iosaf. The new combination became known as St. Joseph's Vocational College. Surprisingly, the Department were very slow to sanction this amalgamation. The school operated for almost two years on a de facto basis before approval was finally received.

As was expected, the amalgamation increased a need for more accommodation and, accordingly, the VEC sought approval for an increased schedule of accommodation in September 1982. The submissions made sought permission for a structure to accommodate 350 student places. There was no positive response to this submission for quite some time. Meanwhile, St. Joseph's Vocational College was compelled to operate in four different locations throughout the town. For administrative purposes, these centres are designed as units 1, 2, 3 and 4. The late Paddy Crosby will be affectionately remembered for his wonderful radio programme "The School around the Corner," but I am quite sure that the Castlerea Vocational School will be remembered — not fondly perhaps — as the school around many corners.

Unit No. 1 comprises the main school building, the original vocational school and its cluster of eight prefabs. Unit No 2 is accommodated in Hanly Hall, formerly a primary school which was condemned as such and replaced more than 20 years ago. Is it not strange that a building considered unfit for use as a primary school then is deemed good enough to house the secretarial and commercial sector of vocational education in 1984? It is scarcely compatible with our claims to have kept in line with technological and scientific developments in education in recent years. Unit No. 3 consists of two rooms which are extensions to the rear of a private dwelling and also two prefabs. There is no toilet facility here and hence there is no need for the oft repeated joke: "An bhfuil cead agam dul amach?"

The accommodation is rented from the owner, Mary O'Flanagan, by the VEC. To date, however, no rent has been paid to the owner for the reason that the Department of Education have failed to sanction the contractual arrangements. I request the Minister to ensure that this injustice is remedied without delay.

I now come to Unit No. 4. Of all the units this is the least conducive to educational pursuits. The centre is a disused ballroom initially built for that purpose more than 40 years ago. It might well have been the "ballroom of romance" as it was very popular and well-patronised in its early years. It is now the woodwork room of St. Joseph's Vocational College although situated at least half a mile away from the main building, the administration centre. Teachers and students often joke about the incompatibility of their environment, but one cannot be facetious about such matters. The conditions under which this school is being administered must seriously affect the physical, educational and psychological welfare of the students. For that reason the parents, members of the board of management and the public generally throughout the area are gravely concerned about this unfortunate position. How could it be otherwise? The foregoing chronicled facts clearly show that the very adverse conditions governing the administration of vocational education in Castlerea are discriminatory if not, indeed, unconstitutional.

Article 40 of Bunreacht na hÉireann clearly affirms: "All citizens shall, as human persons, be held equal before the law". One must ask where is the equality in the educational opportunities offered to students of St. Joseph's Vocational College. How can they be expected to achieve the same educational attainments as their more fortunate counterparts who are privileged to be educated in a properly-equipped school environment where all the educational facilities are readily available. Surely their chances of qualifying for grants and scholarships at examination time cannot be fulfilled.

Such discrimination is very far removed from Pádraig Pearse's ideals and aspirations of cherishing all the children of the nation equally. I have already mentioned the dangers to physical well-being of students which might result from movement to and from classes in the various centres. In bad weather they often get very wet going to and coming from classes. This surely must be a health hazard. There is also obviously the ever-present danger of accidents. In one case, the students must cross a very busy street to get to the outside centre. Thank God, as yet, there has been no accident. One wonders what the position is in regard to insurance.

Despite all these serious disadvantages there is no real movement in the schedule of progress of the new school. In April 1984 approval was given for the purchase of a site approved by the Department's architect for a new school. The offer made by the VEC was accepted by the vendors and the deed of sale is being legally processed. Disappointed with the lack of progress the VEC sought a meeting with the Minister for Education. The Minister met a full delegation on 6 June 1984. A decision in regard to the matter was promised by the Minister inside three weeks. Subsequently the Minister advised the VEC to have consultations with the IVEA. These consultations took place on 2 October 1984 but again no progress was reported. On 3 October 1984 the chairman of the VEC and the CEO, Mr. Kevin McBride, had a meeting with the members of the Planning Section in the Department of Education. Mr. O'Carroll from the planning section stated that the Department's view then was that there should be one school in Castlerea. He emphasised, however, that he was not promoting any particular school or type of school but that the Sisters of Mercy favoured a community school. The VEC maintain that they already agreed that St. Joseph's College extension should be proceeded with and that the proposed new school be built on the approved site. This site is in an ideal location in the old demesne and is centrally situated convenient to the GAA sports complex and the town swimming pool. I urge the Minister not to abandon this decision.

I have agreed with Senator Mullooly who is a member of the committee to join with me in supporting this motion. How many minutes do I have now?

Acting Chairman

You have nine minutes.

I shall be finished before then le cúnamh Dé. In the meantime the prefabs need to be repaired immediately if they are to remain intact. Some of them are in use for 16 years. Ten years ago they were leaking through the roofs. Presently, dampness is rising in through them from the ground and they are a veritable breeding ground for pests. In short they are in a state of collapse and will soon fall if not repaired immediately. Despite the tragically inadequate conditions under which they are working the headmaster and staff of this school deserve to be warmly congratulated on their achievements. The school operates a full junior and senior second level curriculum providing for intermediate and leaving certificate examinations. The examination results, if this can be considered a criterion of success, are indeed very creditable. Equally so is their success record of placing the students in gainful employment. As one who taught for most of my teaching career in Castlerea Vocational School I am truly proud of its continuing success record. I also hope that teachers and students will soon be provided with a more worthy and congenial school building.

Finally, I should like to remind the Minister that the people of Castlerea and its environment feel deeply aggrieved and angered by the treatment they have received. They have a firm conviction that were this school located anywhere along the eastern seaboard or in the southern area of the country it would be replaced long since. It must be agreed that the parents and board of management have been very patient. I should like to assert, however, that their patience is running out; their sense of frustration has reached saturation point. If some evidence of progress is not forthcoming in the very near future they will demonstrate their disappointment in public protest. I would very much regret this because I am not one to advocate public protest or any such activities. Therefore, I appeal to the Minister on three counts: one, to provide funds for the immediate repair of the prefabs to keep them intact; two, to proceed immediately with the building of the new school and so provide a long-felt want in the area; and three, to authorise payment of the rental due to Mary O'Flanagan for the use of the accommodation in her premises. Tá súil agam go dtabharfaidh an tAire éisteacht do mo achainí agus go rachfar ar aghaidh le tógáil na scoile nua chomh luath agus is féidir. Tá súil agam go bhfeicfear sar i bhfad toradh ar an achainí sin agus go mbeidh muintir Chaisleán Riabhaigh sásta dá réir. Níl aon áibhéil in aon rud atá ráite agam anseo; tá gach focal de fíor. Tá cruthú le fáil agus sin mar atá caite le muintir Chaisleán Riabhaigh i gcúrsaí gairmoideachais le níos mó ná scór blianta. Tá súil agam go dtabharfar aird ar mo achainí anseo anocht.

As a member of Roscommon Vocational Education Committee I wish to support the case made by Senator de Brún. I want to join with him in pleading with the Minister to give this project the green light without further delay. The situation is, Castlerea must be the worst in the country. Senator de Brún has given an accurate description of what the conditions are like for teachers and pupils. This matter has been dragging on for years. The situation in Castlerea has been deteriorating all the time. As Senator de Brún said, on 29 April 1982 the Department approved a new vocational school for 275 pupils on a new site. In December 1982 the proposed site for the new vocational school was inspected and approved by the Department's architect. The purchase of 7½ acres was approved by the Department. This is a most ideal site. It is adjacent to the industrial estate, the swimming pool, the O'Rourke GAA park and recreation centre and is off the main thoroughfare.

In June 1984, I was a member of a deputation from the VEC which met the Minister for Education in connection with Castlerea. The Minister accepted that the conditions and facilities in Castlerea were sub-standard and needed to be replaced. The Minister referred to the sections of the action plan which deal with rationalisation. She promised that there would be an early decision on the matter. In September, the VEC directed our CEO to write to the Minister pointing out that the accommodation being sought by the VEC was the minimum of new buildings that would be required in Castlerea centre as a whole and that approval to proceed would not conflict with her action plan and with any rationalisation which might take place in Castlerea. The present situation in Castlerea is most unfair to both teachers and students. I would like to join with Senator de Brún in congratulating the principal and the staff there on their achievements and on their dedicated work under such adverse circumstances. The Minister should consider granting a 15 per cent or 20 per cent compensatory grade to those students who are working under such adverse conditions in Castlerea school at the moment and who will be doing public examinations at the end of the year. In justice this is something to which they should be entitled.

I will conclude by pleading with the Minister to give the green light to the project in Castlerea.

Is oth liom go raibh mé mall ag teacht chúgaibh, agus d'eistigh mé go cúramach lena raibh le rá ag an Seanadóir de Brún agus an Seanadóir Mullooly. Cuirfidh mé in iúl daoibh anois conas mar atá an scéal i gCaisleán Riabhach.

I apologise to the House for my lateness which was caused by my own misjudgment of the distance between the Cabinet Room and the Seanad Chamber. The position is that Castlerea has two post-primary schools with a total combined enrolment of about 680 pupils. As has been stated by the Senators, the vocational school is in need of replacement and some additional accommodation is needed in the Convent of Mercy Secondary School. The building of a new vocational school has been approved. Castlerea is one of a number of centres, however, where plans already made for the provision of post-primary education facilities have had to be reviewed in the light of the Programme for Action in Education published last January. Its publication heralded a new emphasis on the desirability of rationalising post-primary facilities as opportunities arose for doing so, an emphasis which was widely welcomed.

Subsequent to the action plan further emphasis was given to the policy of rationalisation of post-primary schools by the recommendations of the National Planning Board, the independent planning board which was established and which reported last April, and also by the national economic plan itself, Building on Reality, published in October. Both of these documents refer to the desirability of the rationalisation of post-primary education facilities. The need for rationalisation is justified by reference to a combination of policy objectives, policy objectives which have been widely accepted and widely welcomed.

Included in these policy objectives are the following: the need, without increasing expenditure, to make educational improvements and meet new challenges through more effective and cost-efficient use of available resources; the need to eliminate in so far as possible duplication and waste in the provision of capital and current facilities; to enhance movement towards greater equality of education and opportunity generally and in particular for girls; to promote coeducation; to encourage greater participation in technical, technological and scientific subject areas by all pupils and in particular to facilitate girls to participate more in non-traditional subject areas. Indeed, that was a matter under considerable discussion in this House last week and one which was very much approved by all Senators.

We must also associate a policy of rationalisation with anticipated developments and curriculum at second level. The Curriculum and Examinations Board is in operation since last January. It has been asked, as part of its work, to undertake as a matter of urgency a review of the post-primary curriculum generally. The creation of larger school units, where feasible, should result in a greater capability in adapting to a situation where there was greater diversification in the type of courses available for post primary pupils.

Following the review of the situation in Castlerea, officials from the Department had consultations with representatives of the County Roscommon Vocational Education Committee. It was suggested to them that the educational interests of Castlerea would best be served by the development of a single post-primary school in the town instead of continuing with a separate secondary school and vocational school. The vocational education committee have considered the matter. They said that they wish to continue with the separate development of a vocational school. The Mercy Sisters have told my Department that they are willing to participate in one school. They are willing to have such a school developed at their school complex where there is already a good amount of satisfactory accommodation including a sports hall. The Department are now in the process of getting the views of two teacher unions on the proposal for a single school.

One thing is certain: new school accommodation will be provided in Castlerea. What is at issue now is how this accommodation should be best provided. Should it be provided in two separate schools some distance apart or as a single school complex? I had hoped that agreement could be reached on an overall national approach to centres such as Castlerea in discussions with the national representatives of the interests involved. Because of this discussion there has been some delay in coming to a decision on these interests. It has not been possible, unfortunately, to achieve the hoped for agreement, so I will be making a decision on Castlerea very shortly after I have fully considered the views of all the interests concerned and the future educational needs of the centre.

On the questions that were raised regarding the condition and maintenance of the prefabricated buildings, that is obviously a matter for discussion between the VEC and the Department regarding the maintenance and the payment for maintenance and repairs to buildings. Another point was raised by Senator de Brún regarding the payment of rent. That is a matter which is being considered in the Department, but I would say at this point and I would not like to go further — that that matter is not as simple or as cut-and-dried as might appear from what the Senator has said. The Senator is probably aware that there are some complications in that area.

I have tried to set out for the House what the position is regarding Castlerea. I fully accept the urgency of providing first-class accommodation for all the children of the area, and therefore I expect to arrive at a decision on that whole matter very shortly.

Could I just inform the Minister that at the October meeting Roscommon Vocational Education Committee considered the situation and the committee would be quite happy to participate in a single school situation in Castlerea provided it is a community college, because de facto such a college exists in Castlerea at the moment since Saint Joseph's lay secondary school and the vocational school amalgamated there? The vocational committee would be quite happy to participate in a single school situation in Castlerea.

The Seanad adjourned at 8.30 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 13 December 1984.

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