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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 13 Nov 1985

Vol. 109 No. 12

European Communities (Amendment) Bill, 1985: Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The objective of this Bill is to complete our ratification procedures so as to allow Spain and Portugal to become full members of the European Community. For this purpose it is necessary to amend the European Communities Act, 1972, by adding to it the Treaty of Accession of Spain and Portugal to the European Economic Community and to the European Atomic Energy Community. While Spain and Portugal may accede to the European Coal and Steel Community through a decision of the Council, the Irish Constitution requires that both the Treaty and this decision must be made part of the law of the State.

The negotiations were completed in May of this year and the Treaty of Accession was signed in Lisbon and Madrid on 12 June. Since it has been agreed that the date of accession should be 1 January 1986, both the present member states and the adherents must complete their national ratification procedures in time to meet this deadline. To date, Belgium and Luxembourg are the only members of the existing Community to have complete their ratification procedures, though the process is under way in a number of other member states. Once the Bill before the House becomes law, the way will be clear for Ireland to ratify the Treaty of Accession.

It is, I think, reflective of the interest, and indeed the concern, that Spanish and Portuguese accession evokes that this Bill was debated for a total period of about ten hours in the other House. That debate not only ranged over the various implications of enlargement but also touched upon a panoply of other Community issues. Today I would like to concentrate on a number of areas where the prospect of enlargement is, rightly or wrongly, causing concern in come quarters and also, and perhaps more importantly, to try to identify a few areas where the accession of Spain and Portugal to the Community will create opportunities which must be exploited.

Before this process of analysis, however, it may be useful to provide the context by mentioning the origins of Spain and Portugal's applications for membership and the subsequent history of the accession negotiations. In both of these countries the decision to apply for membership of the Community was the external manifestation of their return to democracy in the seventies. In Portugal this return to democracy was achieved very quickly when the old authoritarian regime collapsed practically overnight in 1974. The achievement of the fathers of the revolution in the subsequent few years was to ensure that Portugal's authoritarian system of Government was not replaced by a totalitarian one. The attainment of democracy in Spain was, on the other hand, a more gradual process. After the death of General Franco in 1975 King Juan Carlos bravely and skilfully presided over a process which culminated in the establishment of democratic institutions in Spain.

By the latter half of the 1970s it was clear that democracy in both of these countries was well established. As part of the process of its consolidation the Governments of Portugal and Spain applied for membership of the Community in the first half of 1977. The Community required a certain amount of time to consider and formally accept the applications of the candidates. It was recognised that it was desirable in political terms for Spain and Portugal to accede to the Community. On the other hand, however, it was also recognised that, as the applicants were relatively underdeveloped countries whose main agricultural products were already in surplus in the existing Community, there would be an economic price to pay.

It is a tribute to the Community spirit of the then Mediterranean member states, namely France and Italy, that they supported politically the applications of Spain and Portugal in the knowledge that competition from the Iberian peninsula after enlargement would pose a substantial challenge to their own fruit and vegetable, wine and olive oil producers. After the Council formally accepted the applications of the candidates, negotiations were opened with Portugal in October 1978 and with Spain in February 1979.

The fact that these negotiations lasted over six years is a reflection of the intrinsic complexity and difficulty of the issues that had to be tackled. As well as the question of integrating the agricultural economies of the applicant states into the system of Community agriculture, there were also the problems of the dismantlement of Spain's highly protectionist industrial tariffs, the restructuring of its large steel capacity in accordance with Community rules, and, of course, the integration of the huge Spanish fishing fleet within the Common Fisheries Policy. It must be said, however, that there were also factors extraneous to the negotiations themselves which retarded progress. In 1980 the negotiation were effectively frozen while the Community set about a major reform of its regime for Mediterranean agricultural products. A couple of years later the momentum was again lost as the Community became increasingly preoccupied with its internal, that is to say, budgetary difficulties.

The French Presidency was successful in regaining the political momentum for the advancement of the negotiations. Nevertheless when Ireland took over the Presidency in June 1984 a great deal of the substance of the negotiations remained to be dealt with. Indeed, in a number of vital areas such as agriculture, fisheries, industrial tariff dismantlement, steel restructuring, and the question of the free movement of workers, the key issues remained to be resolved.

As we set about tackling these individual issues our greatest task, as Presidency, was in securing the agreement of member states to common positions to present to the applicants. This was because member states were inclined to link agreement on one issue to a satisfactory outcome for them on another. Consequently, many of the sensitive chapters in the negotiations became the captives of a complex system of negotiating linkages.

The key issue, and a solution to which allowed this impasse to be unblocked, was the question of wine and, in particular, the control of its production in an enlarged Community. Agreement on this issue at the Dublin European Council in December 1984 allowed the Community to adopt positions on a whole range of other areas. Those who voiced criticisms that the Dublin Summit concentrated too much on the wine issue were obviously unaware of the central importance of the wine dossier in the overall scheme of the enlargement negotiations. If the wine question had not been resolved and the Community was not, in turn, able to present negotiating positions to the applicants, there was a real danger that the Spanish and Portuguese delegation would have left the negotiating table for good. The agreement at Dublin allowed the Italian Presidency to pursue the final stages of the negotiations and to negotiate directly, on behalf of the Community, with the applicants on the major outstanding issues.

One of these concerns, and perhaps our primary one, was the fisheries chapter which was resolved in the final stage of the negotiations under the Italian Presidency. It has, incidentally, been claimed that we made a tactical error in not insisting on the settlement of the fisheries chapter during our own Presidency. As any experienced Community commentator knows, the role of Presidency requires a member state to behave in a disinterested and accommodating manner in the search for a compromise acceptable to all partners. The ability of a member state to vigorously protect its interests can be inhibited by the responsibility which accompanies the role of Presidency. During the Italian Presidency on the other hand, we were able to negotiate in a hard-headed and determined manner, unencumbered by the responsibility which the custodial role of Presidency involves.

I wish to restate my conviction that the arrangements we secured on the fisheries chapter represent the optimum that could be achieved without, in effect, denying Spain its right of inclusion in the Common Fisheries Policy. That policy, which had been worked out for the Ten in 1982 after very lengthy and difficult negotiations, provided the necessary scope for the further development of our fishing industry. Our primary negotiating objective during the accession negotiations was to ensure that the inclusion of Spain in the Common Fisheries Policy was achieved in such a phased manner as not to jeopardise the benefits we had secured from the policy. The centre piece of this negotiating strategy was the achievement of a long period during which Spanish fishing vessels would be excluded from the 50 mile fishing zone around our coast, the co-called Irish box.

Spain, on the other hand, was pressing for a substantial measure of integration of its fishing fleet into the Common Fisheries Policy from the date of entry, including some immediate level of access to the Irish box from accession. This was totally unacceptable to us. Near the conclusion of the negotiations the Commission and Presidency tabled a compromise package which would have given Spanish fishing vessels full access to the Irish box after seven years. While we were aware that our resolute stand in the protection of a vital national asset might seriously affect the entire negotiations, we, nonetheless, again rejected this compromise proposal.

I am glad to say, however, that our negotiating partners ultimately recognised the primary importance we attached to this issue and, at the Foreign Affairs Council at the end of March, we were successful in securing a derogation whereby Spanish and Portuguese fishing vessels will be excluded from the Irish box for a ten-year period up to the beginning of 1996. Moreover, the Spanish Minister made a unilateral declaration committing his authorities to talks with the Irish Government, before the ten-year period expires, to secure the orderly integration of Spanish boats into the Irish box after 1995.

The fisheries chapter did, of course, contain other elements such as agreement on the number of Spanish vessels that can fish in Community waters other than the Irish box during the transitional period, the re-allocation of catch quotas of particular species to include the acceding States—where, incidentally, Ireland was successful in securing improved quotas for our own fishermen—and the extension of the strict supervisory regulations of the Common Fisheries Policy to the Spanish fishing fleet, including regular inspections by Community fisheries inspectors.

Notwithstanding the merits of the deal we negotiated, concern has been expressed about the willingness of Spanish fishermen to respect the arrangements and of our capacity to fully implement them. Given the past record of Spanish vessels fishing illegally in our waters, these reservations are understandable and I fully appreciate the fishing industry's concern in this regard. Since 1980, a total of 233 Spanish, and Spanish vessels registered in Britain and Ireland, have been arrested for illegal fishing in Irish waters and practically all have been fined heavily. If such incidents continue after accession the supervisory regime of the Common Fisheries Policy to be applied to Spanish fishing vessels will assist us in ensuring that a greater number of transgressors are caught and subject to the full rigour of the law.

However, we must not presume in advance that things will continue as before. Spain will be taking its place at the Council table as a full partner on 1 January 1986 and I am confident that the Spanish Government will, in good faith, actively enforce the agreed fisheries arrangements set out in the Treaty of Accession. As regards our ability to ensure compliance with these arrangements, I might mention that the Council on 29 March, 1985, at our insistence, declared its willingness to assist member states to improve their fishing surveillance capacity. This declaration stated that the Council was prepared to consider, on a proposal from the Commission, financial aid for member states for the provision of adequate surveillance and control measures necessitated by the enlargement of the Community. On foot of this understanding the Government are currently considering the adequacy of our fishing surveillance capacity for an enlarged Community.

Any assessment of the implications for Ireland of an enlarged Community should not, of course, be restricted only to the area of fisheries. There is also the question of the general impact of enlargement on the already straitened budgetary capacity of the Community and, in particular, the effect on Ireland's transfers from the Community's structural funds, that is the Regional Fund, Social Fund and the FEOGA guidance section.

On the general question of the adequacy of the Community's budget to absorb the costs of enlargement, Senators will be aware that, in parallel to the accession of Spain and Portugal, the VAT element in the Community's own resources will be increased from the existing ceiling of 1 per cent to 1.4 per cent of member states VAT bases on 1 January 1986. Provision has also been made for a possible further increase of 1.6 per cent on 1 January 1988. This increase in own resources and the enlargement of the Community are inextricably linked. Indeed, the agreement of a number of the larger member states to an increase in own resources was conditional on the accession of Spain and Portugal to the Community.

Doubts have been expressed about the adequacy of a 1.4 or, indeed, 1.6 per cent VAT base for the functioning of an enlarged Community. I fully share those doubts. In fact the Government have for a long time been using every opportunity to make the point that the Community needs to be provided with a long-term stable revenue base.

This revenue base should be sufficient to enable the Community, first, to strengthen and develop its existing policies; secondly, to allow it to meet the new demands which the impending enlargement will place on its resources; and thirdly, enable it to develop the new policies which are necessary if the Community is to be revitalised. The increase to 1.4 per cent is a start, but we believe that a further early increase in own resources is necessary if the Community is to be able to meet the three challenges I have mentioned. The Government will continue to press in Brussels for such a further increase.

The adequacy of a stable revenue base in the Community determines, to a great extent, the Community's ability to transfer resources from its prosperous centre to the less developed periphery. The Preamble to the Treaty of Rome speaks of the desire to reduce the differences existing between the various regions and the backwardness of the less favoured regions. The operation of the three structural funds has gone some way to achieving this goal. Since our own accession to the Community we have received in aggregate over 1.1 billion pounds from these three funds. Spain and Portugal, as relatively underdeveloped countries, will have access to all of the structural funds from accession. At the moment the precise manner in which the acceding states will be integrated into the Regional and Social Funds is being discussed in Brussels. In the case of the Regional Fund, the provision of shares for Spain and Portugal means that the share of the present member states must be proportionately reduced in percentage terms. However, we firmly believe that the less prosperous member states should not have to accept a real fall in their receipts because of enlargement. We shall continue to insist that there should be no erosion in our current level of transfers from the Regional Fund. As regards the Social Fund, the present 40 per cent allocation reserved for the existing regions of absolute priority, including the whole of Ireland, is being revised upwards to take account of the inclusion of Portugal and certain regions of Spain. We are pressing for an increase in the allocation that is sufficient to meet the needs of all the regions of absolute priority in an enlarged Community.

When this Bill was being discussed in the other House, it was said by many participants in the debate that the Community had failed to develop an effective regional policy and that this situation would be exacerbated in an enlarged Community. It was stated that economic indicators showed that, since the establishment of the Regional Fund in 1975, the disparities in living standards between the centre and the periphery have widened not narrowed. While the Regional Fund has made a useful contribution towards the development of our national infrastructure, it has to be admitted that it has not met the expectations of those who saw its establishment as the beginning of a process aimed at the elimination of economic disparities between regions.

The Government certainly feel that the fund could be made a much more effective instrument of economic convergence. This can only be achieved, however, by a more realistic endowment of its resources. At the moment the Regional Fund's resources only represent between 4 and 6 per cent of the national expenditure by all member states on regional development. The question of endowing the Regional Fund with sufficient resources to begin to achieve a degree of economic convergence between regions is, of course, related to the more general question of equipping the Community with a realistic revenue base. As Senators will know, there is at the moment an Intergovernmental Conference of the member and acceding states whose purpose is to decide on further steps towards European integration. In the Government's approach to the conference we are seeking, together with others who share our concerns, to focus attention on the need to increase the economic cohesion of the Community and to provide for the necessary financial capacity to achieve this.

These then are the main concerns and challenges which I believe are created by enlargement. I have dealt with them at some length to give Senators an idea of the complexity of the issues we confronted and to show that, while the accession negotiations are over, the challenge of enlargement in many respects remains to be dealt with. The enlarged Community, of course, also brings opportunities. In the other House last Thursday one speaker spoke of enlargement in terms of its positive challenge for the Community in general and for Ireland in particular. He stated that the Community was not only about guarantees and financial transfers but also about the creation of an open market that could be exploited. For too long we had passively enjoyed the guaranteed benefits of membership without actively seeking to utilise the potential which free access to a huge market offered us.

The accession of Spain and Portugal represents such an opportunity which our exporters and industrialists must not miss. These two countries will add a further 48 million consumers to the Community's common market. Industrial tariffs on trade between the acceding states and the Community will be gradually abolished over seven years. The greater part of this dismantlement will occur over the first three years. In addition, apart from a very few exceptions, Spain and Portugal must abolish their non-tariff barriers — such as quotas or import licences—from the date of accession. In the agricultural area, it has been agreed that the Community will have immediate access to the Iberian market for specified levels of its "northern products" such as dairy products, beef and pigmeat. These levels will be gradually increased over the transitional period.

At the moment Ireland's exports to Spain and Portugal represent about 1.25 per cent of our total exports. While our trade with Portugal is relatively modest, Spain is our fifteenth largest export market. We exported over £94 million worth of goods to Spain in 1984 and the figures for the first nine months of this year indicate that the export figure for 1985 will be significantly higher. Our principal categories of exports to Spain are chemicals, office machinery, metals, beverages, pharmaceuticals and fish.

Until now Spain has operated a very protectionist trade regime and has shielded its industry behind high tariff walls and a complex system of non-tariff barriers. Notwithstanding this, Irish exporters and manufacturers have in recent years been successful in making even deeper inroads into the Spanish market. After Spain begins the gradual dismantlement of its tariffs and the immediate abolition of its non-tariff barriers in 1986, Irish exporters will be in a much better position to penetrate the Spanish market. An area where there clearly is potential is fish. Spain has one of the highest per capita consumption rates of fish products in the world. Our fishermen catch species, such as hake, which are very popular on the Spanish market. In 1984 we exported over £4 million worth of fish to Spain. If our fishermen and fish processors orientate themselves towards the Spanish market, I am sure that we can considerably increase this export figure after enlargement.

It has been said that the economic benefits of enlargement will exclusively favour the large member states whose developed trade economies will allow them to exploit the opening of the market in Spain and Portugal. However, there are a number of small and medium sized member states, such as Denmark and the Netherlands, who are preparing to avail of the trade opportunity which the opening of the Iberian market represents. These countries in the past have shown themselves adept, especially in the agricultural foodstuff sector, in gaining access to various world markets. We are now beginning at last to develop a substantial food processing industry. If this industry studies the needs of the market in Spain and Portugal, develops or refines its products to suit that market and used the right marketing techniques to sell them, I am convinced that we too can benefit significantly from the extension of the Community market.

So far I have been addressing the question of the economic challenges and opportunities posed by the accession of Spain and Portugal to the Community. There are, however, other political and cultural implications which are, nonetheless, considerable. One of the achievements of the Community has been that it has managed to give concrete expression to the notion of a European identity while, at the same time, safeguarding the cultural diversity of its constituent member states. This cultural diversity will now be enriched by the addition of two new states who, while being European in every sense of the word, have their own distinct heritage.

On account of their histories, the political and economic orientation of the two acceding states has in the past often been outside rather than inside the European mainland. A large part of southern Spain was occupied and settled by the Moors of North Africa in the medieval period. While the native Spaniards were by the fifteenth century successful in reasserting their political dominance, the Moorish legacy can be seen to this day in the architecture of many Spanish cities, such as Granada and Seville. The rise of Spain as a military and political power in the sixteenth century was, in large part, based on the wealth of its possessions in Latin America. Today Spain still enjoys extensive political and cultural links with North African and South American states. On the other hand, Portugal's focus of interest during its history was Africa and the Far East. Portuguese navigators pioneered the voyages of discovery that began in the fifteenth century and Portugal succeeded in establishing an extensive trade network with its southern African and Asian territories. The cultures of the acceding states have been enriched by their historical relationship with countries in Africa and Latin America. The cultural diversity of the existing Community will now, in turn, be enhanced by the accession of two European countries who enjoy such a rich heritage.

The process of European political co-operation has meant that the Ten have been able to speak with one voice on important global issues. The inclusion of Spain and Portugal in the system of European Political Co-operation will mean that the voice of the Ten now becomes of voice of Twelve and, consequently, all the more authoritative. In addition, the Community has in recent years concluded co-operation agreements with individual third countries and with other regional multilateral groupings such as the Association of South-East Asian Nations. The accession of Spain and Portugal to the Community will facilitate it in the development of its external policy in those regions where the acceding states have long standing cultural and political interests. For instance, in regard to the co-operation agreement signed this week between the Community and the Central American states, Spain's corpus of knowledge and influence in this troubled region will greatly assist the Community in developing this new relationship with Central America.

Finally, I would like to say again that the Government welcomes the accession of Spain and Portugal to the Community. After a period in their recent histories during which dictatorial regimes imposed an inward looking isolationism upon both countries, Spain and Portugal are now resuming their rightful place in Europe. While the integration of Spain and Portugal within the Community will present challenges, it should be remembered that the acceding states have also a great deal to contribute. I look forward to a new and fruitful relationship with Spain and Portugal in the Community and am confident that the challenges which lie ahead can be effectively tackled in a spirit of co-operation between all member states, both old and new.

The introduction of this Bill to the House has come about after very delicate and protracted negotiations, which have gone on in the case of Portugal since 1978 and in the case of Spain since 1979. There are a number of positive aspects in the accession of both these countries, but equally there are a number of aspects of accession which give rise to worry for this country in particular and for the rest of the Community in general.

In every debate on the European Economic Community in this House doubts have been expressed about the efficiency of the present Community, about the great failures to maximise the benefits of the Community for the good of all members and the major failure even to confront the unemployment crisis which has beset all member states in the past six or seven years. We have seen that the major lack of a coherent regional policy within the Community has resulted in an ever-growing gap between the wealthier nations of the Community and the poorer nations. The amount of money being put into the regional development fund is a derisory 5 per cent of the overall Community budget. The accession of Spain and Portugal will put further pressure on the Community to provide adequate financing for the purpose of extending regional schemes which would be of benefit to the poorer countries. It would appear that the increase from 1 per cent to 1.4 per cent VAT from national sources will not be enough to confront the additional burden which will be imposed when Spain and Portugal come into the Community.

If one were to assess the performance of the EC in the past ten years in relation to one of its most important objectives, that of providing work in a reasonable environment for people in the member states, one would have to say that the Community had failed and failed utterly. When we joined the Community 12 years ago the number of unemployed was 2.5 million people and today there are 14 million people unemployed in the Community. In an Irish context we had 65,000 people unemployed; now the figure is around the 240,000 mark and this figure hides a large number of people who have left Ireland on the emigration boat, plane or train in the past couple of years.

We wonder when we look at the unemployment figures why the Spanish and the Portugese should be so anxious to join. There are approximately three million people unemployed in Spain and approximately 500,000 unemployed in Portugal. If we were to progress forward the unemployment rate in these two countries, the accession of Spain and Portugal will have catastrophic consequences not alone for these countries but equally for the Community as a whole. I hope it will become a fact that with the accession a new impetus will be given to the solution of unemployment in the Community.

Agriculture plays a major part in the Irish economy. It is of vital importance that Ireland's agricultural industry should be protected when one considers that last year gross output in the industry amounted to over £2½ billion and agricultural exports exceeded £1.6 billion. We must protect this industry at all costs, even though it may bring about conflict with our European neighbours. In the past we have too often been seen as good Europeans and seem to have neglected our own people in the attempt to continue as good Europeans. The agricultural sector occupies a central role in the economy of Ireland and therefore agricultural development must be an essential priority of economic policy.

The recent Green Paper issued by the European Commission strikes at the very basic principle of the policy which offered the greatest attraction to Ireland's entering into the Community. It proposes that the current support systems be replaced by what are called market-orientated approaches. This would mean the replacement of price support by income aids that are largely national and would return us to an era of low and unstable prices for our agrictural products, a situation which plagued our economy prior to our joining the Community. This change, if effected, would have profound effects not alone on Ireland but equally on the newer members, whether Greece, Spain or Portugal.

Last year from the guarantee section of FEOGA nearly £650 million came into Ireland. This represented one half of the total farm income in that year. Even with that injection, income per head in farms in Ireland is little more than 50 per cent of the European average. Urban dwellers may see the Community's problems stemming from the support given to farmers, but the fact is that the food and drink industry is the largest industry in Europe. It employs more than three million people and absorbs 85 per cent of the sales of agricultural products. The meat and dairying industries look to agriculture for four-fifths of their purchases. The CAP has given a strong impetus to Europe's agricultural co-ops, which employ more than half a million staff

The per capita support of the United States farmer is considerably greater than that of his European counterpart. We have recently seen the phenomenal support in the United States for the farmers' plight, as expressed in the support that was given to the Farmers' Aid concert. There was magnificent support from all over the States. These farmers are supported to a much greater extent than the European farmer.

The entry of Spain and Portugal to the Community will see a worsening of the position of Irish farmers as we see a continuing major shift in the attitude of the Community, leading to stifling budgetary retrenchment and reduction in financial support for traditional Community policies. On the entry of Spain and Portugal there will be a diversion of resources from the northern to the southern agricultural regions, while at the same time the agricultural and regional funds are unlikely to be increased significantly enough to cope with the new demands which will be made upon them.

The special position of Ireland as one of the least developed countries in the Community in which agriculture plays so large a role will have to be recognised more effectively in the future than it has been in the past. It is particularly important that the EC schemes such as the western package scheme with 50 per cent reimbursement should be taken up so that we can take full advantage of what is available from Europe. We were willing to sacrifice a great deal when we joined the Community but it was always our expectation that the benefits from economic developments under the CAP would more than compensate for losses in other sectors.

In the light of the major upheavals which are taking place in Community policies, I believe we should now draw up a detailed, quantified balance sheet of advantage and disadvantage arising from membership. Such a balance sheet would not be prepared as a test of continued membership but rather as a firm foundation on which we could base our negotiating stances in future on all relevant Community issues. This information would then supply the basic data for econometric model which would be updated at regular intervals for developments and changes.

In an enlarged Community we must with our new partners confront the problems of the internal market, the dismantling of frontiers, non-tariff barriers and State subsidies. Whereas it must be said that each individual country will probably confront these problems from different perspectives, nevertheless they must be confronted and overcome.

One of the main problems that will confront us in Ireland on the accession of Spain and Portugal is undoubtedly that associated with our fishing industry. Viewed from either an economic or a social perspective, Irish sea fisheries development is now in decline with fishing boats being repossessed and stocks endangered due to overfishing and the lack of a coherent fishery policy either in Ireland or in Europe.

Protection of our exclusive fishing limits against illegal fishing by foreign vessels will be increasingly problematic. We have a coastline of some 1,737 miles. The 200-mile exclusive fishing limit gives us a sea area of approximately 132,000 square miles to patrol and this brings into context the huge problem confronting our fishery protection service. Legislation for the control of illegal activities within our jurisdiction needs to be reviewed so as to ensure that it is adequate for the protection of our fishing stocks. The joint committee have identified the major problem associated with Spain's accession, from the point of view of the Irish fishing industry, as the size of the Spanish fishing fleet and the dominant role that fish plays in the Spanish economy.

Spain is a major producer and consumer of fish, with a fishing fleet of 17,500 vessels representing 750,000 gross registered tonnes. The equivalent Irish figures are 1,600 vessels and 36,000 tonnes respectively. The Spanish fleet represents 70 per cent of the Community fleet at present. Spain also has the largest per capita consumption of fish in Europe, 40 pounds annually as against 12 pounds in Ireland. In 1983 total fish landings in Spain amounted to 1.1 million tonnes, as against Irish landings of 200,000 tonnes. Spain imports about 270,000 tonnes of fish a year and exports 200,000 tonnes. The Spanish home consumption of fish is in the region of 1.2 million tonnes a year. Spain has a number of third country agreements and because of their need for fishing opportunities they have about 20 international agreements along the west coast of Africa, Canada and the United States. They have about 106 joint ventures whereby they import up to 200,000 tonnes of white fish through these joint ventures alone, the equivalent of our total fish catch. That is an aspect of entry that has to be very carefully gone into.

In the Minister's speech he mentioned that the main element of the agreement with Spain and Portugal is that no Spanish vessel will be allowed inside the Irish box in the period from 1985 to 1995. In the past 12 months, even though no Spanish fishing boat is allowed in, over 50 Spanish skippers have come before the courts and have been convicted of illegally fishing off Ireland. I do not presume that this figure will lessen when the accession of Spain and Portugal is actually signed. A basic list of 300 Spanish vessels will be authorised to fish in Community waters, excluding the Irish box, of which only 150 vessles of standard 700 horse power size on the periodic list will be allowed fish simultaneously in Community waters. Of the 150 vessels on the periodic list, 93 will be allowed fish in the Irish 50 to 200-mile zone until December 1995. Only 93 vessels of 700 horse power will be allowed to fish. I would ask the Minister how many boats or ships we have in Ireland of 700 horse power in the total fleet. I would not say there are any more than ten, yet we have 93 more coming in from Spain.

The Spanish authorities, it is said, are committed to negotiations to secure an ordinary and phased access by Spanish boats to the Irish box after 1995. They have made absolutely no attempt to supervise the boats that are fishing in Irish waters. It must be said that many of the fishermen who come from Spain know the Irish fishing grounds as well as I know the road from Kilkenny to Dublin or the Leas-Chathaoirleach knows the road from here to Ennis. They know every fishing ground in Ireland better than many of the Irish fishermen do. They have been fishing here for the last 800 or 900 years and they head for their traditional fishing grounds. Unless we are very careful in providing adequate servicing in terms of protection for our fishing industry we will be overrun in the next few years.

The main problems we will have on the accession of Spain and Portugal are basically in the areas of agriculture and fishing. Because of the different type of farming that goes on in Spain and Portugal, there will be an attempt to divert moneys from the northern countries, which are supported by CAP at present, into the southern countries, which are poor and which will need aid. There will be a spreading out of the benefits of the CAP and the benefits to us will be diminished as a result. The effect on our fishing industry could be catastrophic unless every attempt is made by the Community itself, by the Irish Government in particular and by the Spanish Government to ensure that our fish stocks are not decimated as feared by the fishermen and anybody who looks at the situation around our coast.

We must be positive in our attitude. It is without a doubt an opportunity for Irish industry to develop trade with Spain and Portugal. There are trading arrangements that can be made. Any extension of the Community must be of benefit to Irish manufacturers and exporters.

We hope that the Spanish economy will be able effectively to survive its entry into the Community. One of the very significant things that one notices when one travels in Spain and Portugal is the large number of people who are involved in service industries. With the accession of these two countries to the EC, we can see that the cost of living will rise and there is no way they will be able to support the large numbers of people who are currently engaged in service industries. I would fear that the same thing will happen in their traditional industries as happened here in the past ten years, that we will see an enormous number of new unemployed coming into the European scheme of things, who will have to be paid for by the European Community in general.

We have had very long and very good relationships with Spain and Portugal. It is significant that both countries have in the past few years become much more democratic in outlook. They have moved away from the regressive regimes that they had and they are taking their place as full members of the world community. We welcome both countries into the European Community, but nevertheless have reservations about the benefits that will accrue to the Community and to the countries themselves by their accession.

I welcome this Bill to the House. It is another significant step in the evolution of the European Community and a significant expansion in the family of European states that share the idealism of the people who founded the Community 25 or 30 years ago. I listened with great interest to the speech of the Minister who, not only reminded the House of the plus factors but also mentioned the areas where more caution was needed.

Senator Lanigan in his speech also touched on many of those problem areas.

I would like to welcome this further expansion of our European Community to embrace the ancient people of Spain and Portugal. Their ancient and colourful cultures will certainly enhance a more united Europe. It is eminently true that by laying down one brick after another we can together succeed in building something of lasting importance. It must be equally true, however, that without a grand plan nothing of lasting greatness can be constructed. It was Paul Henri Spaak who once said:

He who never dreams can never construct anything of genuine importance. If yesterday's Europeans had been nothing more than realistic, nothing of that which today constitutes tomorrow's Europe would exist.

We can expect a very positive, political, social and economic contribution from both Spain and Portugal to the EC, after 1 January 1986 when they will become full members. I welcome our new partners and I wish them both well in their great task of adapting to what is for them a new situation and a difficult task, which the whole process of integration is.

However, our Community has almost 30 years of experience of integration and co-operation which was started with the Six soon after the last European war. Despite many critics it has proved very successful and, in our own experience, very beneficial to ourselves and the other nine member states. I look forward with great enthusiasm to the greater integration and harmonisation within the Community of our laws, our transport and of our taxation systems, especially in relation to direct tax bands so as to guarantee a greater degree of equality and fairer competition for our producers in the market place.

I read recently where Spain had introduced the VAT system to bring their collecting system in line with that of the Community. They have introduced three rates: 6 per cent, a standard rate of 12 per cent and another rate of 33 per cent. These rates replace 24 different taxes which were in use up to recently. I expect that the new rates out there, while we can welcome them, may not be so readily welcomed by the Spaniards. Their premier, Senor Gonzalez, is to be complimented on moving into the European system so promptly. If we look, for example, at the Greeks — the latest to join the Community and now a member for the last five years — we find that they are asking for a further derogation from these VAT directives.

It might be appropriate to stress that European Union must imply joint exercising of national sovereignty and all must work to eradicate the false concept of contradiction between common and national interests. The hearts of the people of Europe must unite as well as the policies. Our policies must continue to evolve in such a way as to reduce the imbalance between the poorer and the wealthier regions.

Senator Lanigan touched on this topic. For my own part, as one who has studied, watched and was very much involved with the funding of the Regional Fund in 1974 and 1975, it is a disappointment that the regional policy, which in theory is a marvellous system and one which surely must hold out tremendous hope to people especially in the peripheral, disadvantaged or poorer regions, even though a considerable amount of money has been expended on it, has not altogether succeeded. For some extraordinary reason the imbalance between the richer and the poorer areas — the central wealthy triangle of Europe and the peripheral regions — is not getting smaller. For that reason, in any reform of policies there must be greater examination of why despite the expenditure of considerable amounts of money via the Regional Fund, this does not reflect in the various national and regional statistics.

In keeping an eye on the ordinary policies and day-to-day administration in Europe I am quite surprised that the Council of Ministers at one of their recent meetings proposed a reduction in the budget for the coming year of something like £31 billion. This is some £4 billion or £5 billion less than what was originally suggested by the Commission. At a meeting last week the European Parliament, in an effort at conciliation or mediation, have suggested 33 billion ECUs.

I welcome the expansion of the Community not just because I see the possibility for us as producers, manufacturers or sales people to avail of the opportunities presented but also because I see two states coming in who just less than a decade ago did not enjoy living under democratic rule. I am glad that people should come along when they got the opportunity of changing. I am glad that the very few short years it has taken them to change to bi-cameral, democratic systems they have been able to reorganise not just their economies but their administration systems as to be able, with the aid of some derogation for teething purposes, to join the European Community as equal partners. As Europeans we should be there to extend to them a helping hand and give them the benefits — economic, moral and social — that companionship in a Community such as ours must surely mean to them. From that point of view we can, through closer working relationship in the Council of Ministers, in the Parliament and in the Commission, ensure henceforth, with the involvement of Europe, problems that may arise between member states will be argued out and will find solutions agreeable to all sides. Therefore, we are indeed ensuring that, for the foreseeable future, Europe is going to be bathed in an atmosphere of significant peace. It would be nice to think it was going to be all sunshine and all peace but nevertheless, by and large, as we move closer we are cementing and guaranteeing a peaceful existence within our Communities.

I should like to see the European Parliament and the Turkish Assembly Joint Committee being reactivated and I should hope to see solid and continuing contacts being made with both the Republic of Cyprus and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, as it is my belief that only through political and diplomatic dialogue advancement towards peace and harmony can evolve. Hopefully, the decision of the Parliament taken on 11 October last year to discontinue the joint committee will be reviewed early in 1986 because if we had that country included in our Community we would have a great European land mass where Governments would be working closely together in the interests of all the people in the entire region.

I should like to ask the Minister if it has been decided what competences the new commissioners are going to be allocated. I read where Senor Manuel Marin has been nominated as one of the Spanish commissioners in the Community and I should like to ask the Minister if the name of the Portuguese commissioner designate has been announced yet. From our point of view it is interesting to know the competences or portfolios that these people will be allocated.

Over a number of weeks the House has allocated a considerable amount of time to debating European issues and Community issues and our Order Paper still has a great number of reports of the workings of our joint committee. From that point of view, the House is devoting a considerable amount of time to the European Community. That is as it should be because of the importance that the Community has in the lives of the ordinary citizen at present.

The reforming of the Common Agricultural Policy is going at present and I see that the Commission have been working on reforming the cereal sector. This is a very important sector for a number of reasons. I am quite surprised that the Commission should start on this particular sector and the implication is that there will be the introduction of quotas which would fall in line with the views of a new organisation in Ireland which is dedicated to removing the food mountains. Since the cereal sector is the one source of food that can readily be transported and stock piled in the famine-stricken areas of Africa, I hope that the reforms will not go as far as eliminating that stockpile completely because that is the area where the Community can respond faster and more tellingly on behalf of people in the Africian regions especially those are experiencing famine situations.

Expansion of the European Community has advantages both for the Community as a whole and for the individual member states and the various populations but we must also recognise that there will be disadvantages also. It is good that we should be prepared for them. There will be some changes in the ordinary trading situation but, nevertheless, we have an obligation to maintain a balance and hopefully that will be in favour of our own people. As far as Spain is concerned we can expect — at least in the long term — changes in the fisheries situation. We have had long debates in this House on the fisheries sector. The apprehensions of our fishermen and the people close to the fishing industry have been mentioned and debated in the House on many occassions.

One thing that I should like to say to the Minister is that while I accept that the fishery negotiations have been very thorough and, from our point of view I think we can say, successful, nevertheless the experience would appear to be over the last year or two that the Spanish fishermen are either absolutely illiterate or have never had the opportunity of reading the agreements. The last straw was when a Spanish boat attempted to attack or hole one of our fishery protection vessels. I know that one swallow does not make a summer. We are not all so law-abiding in this country as not to attempt to get away with whatever is possible but our hope is that our Government, heeding the interests of the national fishing resources and the fishing stocks, would be able to make available whatever national resources are necessary. We know from the fishery agreement that aid from the EC is available to us to provide fishery protection vessels and we hope our facilities will be increased to a level sufficient to give adequate protection for the proper and long term development of our fishing resources.

I should like very briefly to impress on the Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs the importance of the Community increasing the budget for the proper implementation of European policies in the enlarged member states. Greater resources will have to be made available through the Regional Fund to the social action programme. It is important to recognise the Mediterranean problem and that the special funds that have been allocated to the Mediterranean basin region will now require significant inputs. It is important that the Community should have a significant increase in its own resources. The 1.4 per cent mentioned by the Minister must surely be inadequate now. It is ten years since the target of 1 per cent of own resources was set. In the last two years it has gone over the 1 per cent VAT. I believe the suggested figure of 1.4 per cent is quite inadequate. I accept that inflation is down right across the Community, which perhaps would mean some relief. It is important that the Community should continue to go forward; it should not be allowed to stagnate for the want of finance. The only way the community can be independent and can see the implementation of the the policies they want to try out is by having their own resources in order to pay for that exercise.

The areas deserving of greater input would be the funds for the Mediterranean basin problem, the Regional Fund and some close examination or updating of transport policies. The infuriating point about transport policies — I did spend a few years as President of the Transport Commission — is that the only movements which have been made in 27 or 28 years regarding transport policies have been in regulations governing drivers, such as the tachograph, some regulations on loading and perhaps a tightening up of some cross-border form-filling procedures. That in itself is absolutely useless. I understood that transport policies in Europe were going to assist in levelling out the difficulties, the expenses and the economics of producers, whether they are producing agricultural products or whether they are manufacturing consumer products. I understood that all producers would be assisted, by means of a transport policy, to be able to put their produce on the central, lucrative and better markets of Europe without disadvantage on account of distance from the market place. That has not happened. Now we are talking about a Community stretching from Greece to Spain and from Northern Ireland way down to the toe of Greece. Ireland is one of the more difficult peripheral regions; we have two very expensive sea crossings if we want ready and prompt access to the Central European markets. I do not know the Minister's view on the transport policy, but nevertheless the groundwork has been done more than 20 years ago and it has been stagnating ever since. I do not know why it has never been introduced.

The social action programme which President Hillery laid down so carefully, so thoughtfully and so well when he was commissioner in charge of it, has been of tremendous benefit especially to the younger population here and in all the underdeveloped areas throughout the Community. In the poorer areas of Spain and Portugal there is, as everywhere else, a high percentage of unemployed, including unemployed young people. Therefore, there will be a heavier demand on the Social Fund. It is setting off on the wrong foot to expand the Community without providing adequate funding for the programmes which the Community has developed and which are ready for implementation.

Also, we have the problem of industrial expansion and renewal, especially in Portugal. Here again, I would hope that the Community would be generous with those countries. It is important that they should see as early as possible significant benefits to the ordinary citizen in the street by virtue of their countries having joined the European Community which has to be perceived by the various electors and voters as a great and lasting and inspiring institution for all of us to enjoy.

I give this Bill a very sincere welcome. I am not looking at the problem with rosetinted glasses. I know that if we work at it hard enough our efforts in this direction can only lead to an improvement in the regimes and in the living and working conditions of all of our people. It is something that we cannot just accept and laud today: it is an area we must continue to work at. We must be prepared to give and take. The Government have an obligation to ensure that we as a country— listed by European standards in the various graphs and scales produced there about three quarter way down from the top — have aspirations to rise to at least middle level. Our young people should be given hope. Through the expansion of the Community and the building of a stronger European Economic Community there will be work and contentment for our whole population in the years ahead.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this legislation, the purpose of which is to seek approval from the Houses of the Oireachtas for the enlargement of the European Community in order to accommodate Portugal and Spain. They have concluded their negotiations on the question of entry and they will become members of the EC on 1 January, 1986.

This debate will provide us with an excellent opportunity to analyse the success or the lack of success of various European Community policies, how they affect us, how they fare today and how Ireland and the European Community will be affected by the addition of Spain and Portugal. Spain and Portugal have as much right as any country to membership of the EC. But we must ask ourselves the question; are we going to be better or worse off as a result of their inclusion in the Community? Has there been sufficient homework done by our own Government and by the Community to date to provide for the welfare of member states even at present, let alone what is likely to happen when membership is increased?

We must cast a critical eye at European Community policies. There are several policies we could refer to but the European Regional Policy, I think, has failed. It has failed to prevent an increase in disparities between rich and poor regions and nations. It is good to go out into the country and see certain projects funded by the European Regional Fund and to see that there is progress in our infrastructures. However, many of our roads are still in a poor state, especially our main roads. The county roads and byroads are a lot worse. Comparing the conditions of our roads, even since our entry into the EC, with that of roads and infrastructure of other countries we are very far behind the times. This is a trend that will have to be rectified. The EC should ensure that disparities between rich and poor regions are checked.

The Regional Policy, with the Common Agricultural Policy, is one of the most important policies. The Common Agricultural Policy accounts for approximately 42 per cent of the total European Community budget and the proportion for Ireland must be very relevant to the Community. We must look at Spain and Portugal, especially Spain, with their growing populations as further outlets for our agricultural products. We must look at the accession of these two countries from the point of view of third country agreements which will affect the Common Agricultural Policy. The Common Agricultural Policy has been a success and is the cornerstone of agriculture of the Community. It has given us a security of supply. It has given Europe valuable international trade. It has given us price stability and spectacular gains in agricultural products. It has raised the standard of living of our farmers. It is of definite benefit to the Community as a whole. If agriculture is thriving, the whole economy benefits.

The secrecy which surrounded the enlargement negotiations led to serious anxiety in many sectors of the economy. Have the implications of enlargement been put properly before us? Have the Government done everything to see what the implications will be and how the enlargement will affect the Community and our own country? The Government did very little by way of research. I am sure there will be damage done to existing industries. There may be opportunities for some other industries. The tourist industry could benefit from the enlargement of the Community. The development potential of the tourist industry must be considered in terms of closer liaison with Spain and Portugal.

Enlargement of the Community will have a most detrimental effect on the fishing industry which is at present in a hopeless state. I know that restrictions have been limited. Restrictions have been negotiated, but are they sufficient to ensure the expansion of our industry? Prospects for expansion are, indeed, very limited. That is the one fear this country has concerning the accession of Spain and Portugal to the European Community. It will have a severe and damaging effect on the fishing industry. I have a cutting from The Irish Press of Tuesday, 30 January. The heading is “Barry says ‘no’ to Spain's fish demands”. It says:

Mr. Peter Barry, Minister for Foreign Affairs rejected Spanish demands for fishing rights in Irish coastal waters as soon as Spain joins the Common Market.

On Monday, 11 February there was a heading: "Spanish entry proposals — a sell out IFO". It reads:

The Irish Fishermen's Organisation yesterday strongly condemned the latest EEC fishery proposals for Spanish entry as a sell out to political convenience. The organisation in a statement, said the proposals do not contain a single safeguard to prevent a massive and uncontrolled invasion by Spanish vessels within the 200 mile limit. The statement emphasised that Spanish vessels have no permanent rights within the 200 mile zone and that this position must be maintained, especially as these vessels have a total disregard for regulations of any kind. The IFO pointed out that the EEC was negotiating from a position of strength and called on the Irish Government to ensure that the fishing industry is not sacrificed in the negotiations.

I would appeal to whoever is involved in negotiations to ensure that our fishing industry is safeguarded. The people in that industry are very concerned. Anybody who is familiar with the Spanish fleet will know what damage can be done as regards fishing illegally. They resist arrest and they cause trouble to the Navy and whoever else is responsible for ensuring that illegal fishing is not taking place. They will definitely overfish our waters and, given an opportunity, will fish in other waters. The Spanish fleet represents 75 per cent of the entire fleet in the European Community. They have 17,500 vessels with a 750,000 tonne capacity, compared with 1,600 vessels in Ireland with a capacity of 3,600 tonnes. While I do not visualise the entire Spanish fleet working off our shores, if 500 vessels worked off them they could do immense damage to our fishing industry. They have engines of 700 horse power compared with our vessels which have only engines of 20 horse power at the maximum or usually between 15 and 16 horsepower.

I do not know whether the Minister for Foreign Affairs or the Minister for Fisheries whose participation in the Spanish accession negotiations is occasional, have full knowledge of the damage that the accession of Spain and Portugal will do to our fishing industry. I would appeal to them to ensure that our fishing industry will be safeguarded. I hope, by the enlargement of the Community through the accession of Spain and Portugal, that we will prosper in areas such as tourism and agriculture.

I will not detain the House very long. I would just like to add a few comments to what has been said already. The first thing I would like to say is that when the business of negotiation for Spanish and Portuguese entry to the Community started the most popular thesis bandied around among Community member states, and within this country, was that it would be far better for the Community to put its own house in order, to consolidate and develop its own resources and then to take on board the idea of further development, particularly taking in two countries such as Spain and Portugal, both expecting to draw substantial funds from the EEC, from which we are large scale beneficiaries.

Like other Senators, I welcome the Bill. I welcome the accession of Spain and Portugal to the EEC. Like Senator McDonald, not looking through rosetinted glasses, as good Europeans — and sometimes we are classed as being too good Europeans — we have to welcome two additional members despite the fact that in taking them on board we are taking the risks, hazards and challenges that this addition brings. We can record our satisfaction and cause célèbre that it was during the six-month Irish Presidency that the most difficult area of negotiation in relation to accession was overcome. We owe a vote of congratulations to all the Ministers involved who as Presidents of their respective portfolios did a magnificent job: I mention in particular the Taoiseach, the Minister for Foreign Affairs and the Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs for the manner in which they applied themselves to the task.

Spain and Portugal are two countries which are valuable components in the new European Community; they are two countries which have a proud history; we will have two additional languages, which will pose a considerable threat for Irish members who have not been noted for their mastery of linguistic gymnastics. This is something which must be developed, because enlargement and consolidation at the same time, are a cause for jubilation and celebration. We can justifiably celebrate that the land mass of the European Community has expanded to such a degree that it encompasses virtually all Western Europe with the exception of the Scandinavian countries. These are exicting times and there are opportunities there for us.

As a State which has a large fishing resource that is under-developed and where we have sat on our hands in relation to its development, it is not easy to take the membership of Spain without the consequent apprehensions and worries. Despite Senator Kiely's allegations that there was seen to have been a capitulation after a period of 12 days, the deal that was worked out ultimately was a good one. It is a deal that protects our national interest and it strikes a balance between national and Community interests. The box deal adequately protects our coastline for 50 miles out. The limited access afforded to Spain of 300 vessels, with a limited number of 150 which have a horse power of 700 or over, safeguards us adequately in terms of our national interest.

At the end of the day the question that had to be answered in relation to Spain's accession was whether we could put our own national fishing industry at risk, with the minimal threats — in view of the fact that we were given a 50-mile limit, exclusively — or hold up accession of Spain and Portugal. We have the best of both worlds: we have Spain and Portugal and we have the benefit of their membership. At the same time we have protected our national fishing interests.

One of the factors which will become obvious when Spain and Portugal gain accession to the Community is the fact that Commissioner Sutherland will have to shed one of his areas of responsibility. We recall with some pride that he managed to wrest from the Commission the very valuable portfolio of Competition. This is an area in which he has gained an adequate mastery. He was also given the added embellishment of the Social Affairs portfolio; this is one into which he has also thrust himself with the necessary dynamism and imagination. Because of the accession of Spain and Portugal there will have to be a redeployment and redistribution of areas of responsibility. We retain the confidence that Commissioner Sutherland will have the main area of responsibility, which is Competition.

The emphasis has been on the dangers of accession from our national viewpoint. The fishing industry has been discussed exhaustively here and in the other House. This is also an era of opportunity. We are opening up a vast new reservoir of markets — a market into which we can gain entry in time if we apply ourselves with the necessary confidence and determination. We are also in the process of seeing new development within the Regional Fund, which is the concept of integrated planning. Heretofore, it was the practice within the Regional Fund to allocate funds to specific isolated projects. The new development of the promotion of integrated plans, balancing all the various components within particular regions and areas, rather than isolated projects, is a far more sensible approach. It can be recorded with satisfaction that in County Mayo there is, as a result of a visit some time ago of the Director General of the EC Regional Fund, Dr. Pierre Matheisson, and an ongoing high-powered study group, an undertaking regarding the formulation of an integrated plan. We are hopeful, when such a plan is presented to the Department of Finance, that it will receive the necessary encouragement and imprimatur in order to have it brought further afield for adoption by the EC Regional Fund.

The Dooge and Spinelli reports have been debated at length at Committee level in this House. They have been debated in the other House also. The broad thrust of both documents is that we are moving towards the creation of a United States of Europe. We welcome anything which breaks down barriers — tariff barriers, prohibitions or misunderstandings. The more fusion there is, the better it is from the point of view of the long term prospects for the survival of the Community. We hope that the broad thrust of the Treaty of Rome in relation to achieving an equilibrium and an equality of resources within the Community and an equal distribution of resources, will diminish the glaring disparities within the Community. Various bodies have done great work but we have got to address ourselves to these problems. Just as the United States of America, which have a far longer existence than the United States of Europe, have their disparities, and just as there is poverty on the slopes of the Appalachian Mountains while a few thousand miles away there is the staggering wealth of California, so also within this Community we have similar problems which have to be addressed.

The word "impetus" was used by Senator Lanigan, despite his reservations in relation to Spanish and Portuguese entry. The word "impetus"is the word we should be looking at. Hopefully, the old idea, which for a while seemed to be very much in vogue, and reflected disillusionment by the stronger, longer-established European States, that we should move towards a two-tier Europe, will now be scotched. Hopefully the entire Community will move in tandem and in unison towards a greater sense of convergence, unity and coherence.

Senator Lanigan and Senator Kiely mentioned that the Common Agricultural Policy would be under severe threat. Senator Kiely reiterated something which the leader of his party stated some time ago when addressing an IFA conference, that this Government should set down a balance sheet of the advantages and disadvantages that we expected as being part and parcel of our commitment to Europe. We have done this already. The record of the Government in relation to defending national interests at European level is of paramount importance. It stands unparalleled and unrivalled.

We consider with pride the stand taken by the Ministers for Agriculture, the Minister for Foreign Affairs and the Taoiseach, when it came to threatening a vital national interest in relation to the superlevy negotiations. When the negotiations were at a critical stage, reluctantly as the three Ministers in question took that stand, they were forced to withdraw until such time as there were adequate concessions in relation to the derogation. The derogation of 4.6 per cent which was subsequently granted made it the envy of the rest of Europe and, in particular, the envy of our peers north of the Border who did not get this derogation because of their participation within the United Kingdom. There is no need for anyone on any side of the House to have apprehensions or worries in relation to the Common Agricultural Policy. There are certain minimum price options and lines to be adopted when one enters a particular arrangement. I am sure that it is the policy of the Government that the minimum price for participation of our country in Europe in retention of the Common Agricultural Policy and, hopefully, the retention also of price supports.

The West is an area which is very often described as a disadvantaged area. Just as we have disadvantaged and severely handicapped areas in Ireland such as our mountainous perimeter, so also areas of Spain will have similar problems. We note in relation to the West that one area in France was granted a concession over and above the rest of the Community. That is the Cantal region on the slopes of the Auvergne Central Plateau. This area was granted the concession. It is one that Spanish membership will bring very much into vogue and focus, with the consequent aspirations on the part of Spain and Portugal that some of their mountainous regions might also be classified. The point at issue is that the Cantal region of France is granted special concessions in relation to grants, infrastructural and otherwise, by virtue of the fact that it is on a very high plateau, and that because of its high altitude, it suffers consequent handicaps in relation to a shorter growing period.

I validly make the point that the West of Ireland suffers similar handicaps, admittedly not through excessive altitude but because of rock formation, low permeability of soil, rapid transpiration, et cetera. It has been proven, and proven conclusively, by a well-established survey and study undertaken by north Connacht farmers that, in fact, the growing season — the number of daylight hours and the hours of sunshine et cetera in the West of Ireland — are shorter than those which pertain and operate within the Cantal. We hope that the submission which is made by the Government to the European Commission regarding reclassification will be followed up. A document went forward with a view to having certain areas reclassified as disadvantaged areas. That was successful and we hope that the other document, which is the one in relation to reclassification of regions in the West of Ireland will be followed up and pursued to its logical conclusion. I think we can do so without apologies to anybody. We are the most insular and the most handicapped and disadvantaged country in terms of distance within the Community. Might I say, because of our more than spirited advocacy of the European Community, the Community can justifiably, without fear of assault from other areas for similar concessions, grant this concession to the West of Ireland.

We have handicaps in the west. For example, anybody could have noted this year that despite the fact that we had a boom year, tourism-wise, and that we seem largely to have overcome the apprehensions and worries of people in relation to safety from the point of view of the Northern troubles, the West of Ireland did not have the boom year that other areas had. The ferries do not come to the West of Ireland. We have, at this point in time, the embryo of an airport, but it has been noted that the buses come to Bunratty, they do the Ring of Kerry and go back down to the Minister's constituency, and the tourists take off from Cork to Roscoff or Le Haver.

I again make a plea that the submission that has been made by our Government and by the Minister for Agriculture for reclassification for Western portions of Ireland should again be followed up with vigour.

Again, I conclude where I started by saying that as good Europeans we should be more than grateful for the fact that we have taken in two countries which I am sure will prove an embellishment to the already decorated crown of Europe.

Debate adjourned.
Sitting suspended at 5.30 p.m. and resumed at 6.30 p.m.
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