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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 8 Jul 1987

Vol. 116 No. 15

Tourist Traffic Bill, 1987 [ Certified Money Bill ]: Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

As this is the first opportunity I have had to speak in the new Seanad Éireann, I want to congratulate the Cathaoirleach on being elected by your fellow Senators as Chairman of the Seanad. I want to congratulate the Senators who were successful in the difficult Seanad election, both those who are Members of former Seanaid and those who are new to this Seanad. My visits to the Seanad previously have been both enlightening and stimulating and I expect that will be my experience again.

This Bill provides for increasing the statutory limits on the total amount of grant-in-aid which may be paid out by Bord Fáilte for development purposes. The current statutory limit on grant expenditure for amenity development will be reached before the end of this year while the limit on Exchequer grant assistance for the development of tourism accommodation will be reached sometime in 1988. Consequently, it is necessary to increase the amenity limit immediately to permit Bord Fáilte to make full use of its capital allocations for 1987. It is also appropriate at this stage to increase the accommodation limit.

The statutory limits were last raised to £30 million and £14 million respectively by the Tourist Traffic Act, 1983. The increases of £6 million and £4 million on accommodation and amenity limits respectivley now being proposed in section 2 of this Bill could, under present policies, be expected to cover grant payments until at least 1990.

As I explained to the Dáil, this does not imply continuation of existing grant schemes or the introduction of new schemes in the foreseeable future. The existing schemes are subject to review each year during the annual Estimates exercise and their continuance will be subject to rigorous appraisal and will also require approval by the House.

Policy in relation to capital grant aid for tourism is based on the belief that selective and targeted aid acts as an incentive to the private sector to invest in new projects and to up-grade and develop existing tourist facilities.

These grants are only one of a range of incentives designed to stimulate investment in facilities for tourists, including the availability of concessionary finance from the Industrial Credit Corporation for working capital and long term investment requirements for which the Exchequer covers the exchange risk; investment capital from the National Development Corporation; and the recent extension of the business expansion scheme to export tourism.

Capital grant aid which is the particular subject of the current Bill has since its introduction stimulated investment in excess of £90 million in the case of accommodation developments and £40 million in the case of amenity developments. It is arguable that much of this investment would not have occurred without the incentive of grant aid. Considerable job creation has resulted over the years from this investment. For example, in 1986 it is estimated that investment aid by Bord Fáilte generated in the region of 950 jobs in the construction industry alone.

In their short term in office this Government have by their decisive action in their crash programme for tourism announced on 3 May last demonstrated their commitment to develop the potential for growth in the tourism sector. This programme was designed to achieve a substantial increase in tourist numbers in 1987 and subsequent years with consequential spin-offs for employment and wealth creation through a concerted national effort by everybody involved in tourism. The main elements of the programme were a series of major innovative measures on access transport including a £57 midweek special air fare from London to Dublin with an equivalent £67 fare to Cork and Shannon, special continental air fares, exempli gratia a Brussels-Dublin fare of £180, which was a reduction of 16 per cent, £182 from Amsterdam to Dublin, a special Greensaver fare of $399 from the United States of America, special promotional fares by the sea carriers, a new cheap fuel promotional scheme for UK motorists visiting Ireland under which vouchers worth £10 are given to the first 20,000 visitors who show evidence of a confirmed booking to Ireland from June to September, price reductions in hotel accommodation and meal prices, more aggressive and targeted marketing in foreign markets and a diversion of extra resources into tourism.

In addition, we announced that there would be a concerted drive to increase investment in specialised activities due to the business expansion scheme proposals announced in the budget and greater coordination of public sector activities in the tourism field.

We followed up this initiative by having intensive consultations with all sectors of the industry to see what contributions they would make to the drive for growth in tourism in 1987 and subsequent years. The speedy response of the industry was magnificent as shown by the following initiatives which I announced to the Dáil on 14 May 1987: The Irish Caravan Council recommended that all their members offer a 10 per cent reduction on direct overseas bookings for mobile homes caravans and that pre-booked pitches and tents be given four nights for the price of three; the Irish Boat Rental Association offered a 5 per cent discount on all direct overseas bookings and a 10 per cent discount to walk-in overseas visitors, that is overseas visitors who come into any boat hire base in Ireland; the Restaurant Association of Ireland launched a new initiative on the tourist menu scheme with a view to making it more widely available throughout the whole of the country. They also launched a third tier at £12 and asked all their members to participate in this for the present tourist season; SFADCo are offering 15 per cent off any booking for banquets in two of their castles; the Car Rental Council of Ireland recommend that with effect from 1 June 1987 their members offer 10 per cent off their national tariff rate for hirings of seven days' duration or more; the Self-Catering Association offered a 10 per cent discount off all overseas consumer bookings; CIE decided that rail/road unlimited rambler tickers sold in the US would be reduced by 25 per cent and they extended their validity to 30 days. The new cost is US $100. They also undertook a special printing and distribution of 250,000 brochures for US, Britain and the Continent, giving up-dated promotional information.

At this point, I would like to express my sincere thanks to these organisations for the initiatives they have taken to support the Government's drive for tourism growth in 1987. Individually and collectively they responded magnificently to this attempt, seeing it for what it was, an attempt to stimulate the industry and to arouse interest in our markets abroad.

Trends to date show that growth in the industry has picked up considerably. Bord Fáilte statistics for the first five months show an overall increase in visitor numbers of over 16 per cent. This includes increases of 17 per cent from Britain, 12 per cent from North America and 19 per cent from Europe. Indeed, the figures for France show an increase of almost 46 per cent and for Holland 31 per cent. We are attempting to target the European markets of France, the Netherlands and West Germany particularly, because the numbers of tourists who avail of holidays abroad in those countries are very high. Indeed, we have had a falling graph particularly with regard to West Germany for some time.

Preliminary indications for June show that this momentum has been maintained as evidenced by arrivals data for our three main airports. In June 1987 passenger numbers at Dublin were up by over 30,000 or almost 22 per cent, in Shannon by over 5,000 or 12½ per cent and in Cork by 4,000 or almost 25 per cent. Arrivals by sea in the same month were only marginally down on their 1987 level.

I would like to make a comment with regard to those statistics. Some people say we are comparing 1987 with 1986 at a time when certain factors militated against the tourist industry here. I want to point out that these statistics are for the early months of this years, 1987, and they correspond to a period last year before Chernobyl, before the United States President told its citizens to stay at home and before the factors that fought against a successful tourist year in 1986 came into play.

I must emphasise that the Government are not concentrating solely on the overseas market. As an earnest of our commitment to the domestic market an extra £75,000 was allocated to Bord Fáilte for promotion in the home market this year. I an confident that with these extra resources and some fine weather the important domestic market will also show growth this year. In relation to Northern Ireland, prospects for the remainder of the season are optimistic with one quarter of hoteliers anticipating some increase in their Northern Ireland business.

There is, I believe, growing confidence within the industry itself. It is important that this confidence manifests itself in a willingness to reinvest in and develop all aspects of the Irish tourism product. The series of incentives which I have already outlined ranging from attractive loan schemes to easier access to venture capital through the BES as well as grant-aid, are provided in the belief and expectation that the industry will respond positively, and play their part in putting growth back into tourism. The Government for their part will do all in their power to provide a regulatory framework which will both stimulate and facilitate growth in this crucial sector.

But expansion, increased profits and additional employment can only come about from the efforts of those businesses directly involved in the industry itself. It is up to them to seek out viable projects, identify the markets which offer potential for growth and take advantage of all the opportunities available — many of which have been made more attractive by a series of incentives provided at no small cost by the Exchequer.

In considering this Bill Dáil Deputies referred time and time again to the need for a more specific and targeted approach in marketing Ireland as a holiday destination. I am in complete agreement with those sentiments. In these competitive days it is vital for Ireland to be seen as more than just a green, beautiful and unspoilt destination, although it is important to try to keep it green, beautiful and unspoilt and we are not absolutely dedicated to that in all areas of the country as yet. These worthy attributes, which are rarities nowadays, are not sufficient in themselves to capture a large segment of the world tourist market. We must also appeal as a place which offers the potential visitor a wide range of things to do. The modern tourist expects and, indeed, demands activities and entertainment. We in Ireland have a lot to offer to those looking for satisfying activity-related holidays — namely, angling, water sports, cycling, hiking, equestrian pursuits, walking and golf to mention but a few.

Considerable work has been done with walkways. I had the privilege of opening a walkway in my own county, in the Cuilcagh Mountains, earlier in the summer and it links up with a walkway in the Six Counties. They join at the BelcooBlacklion Border area. There is a Táinway, a Wicklow-way and a Kerry-way and I look forward to a time when there possibly could be a competition organised walkways for encircling the whole country, a kind of tour d'Irlande which many people would be interested in. I have already made contact with the development officer in County Fermanagh who would be anxious to link up the walkways. We have had co-operation with the tourist people in the Six Counties for some time. We hope to develop and strengthen it because, apart from the fact that it is the best province of the four provinces, there is great potential in that development.

Indeed, demand for this type of specialist holiday constitutes one of the fastest growing segments of the international tourist market. With our wealth of natural resources, unpolluted environment and temperate climate, we have a strong competitive advantage to exploit. This, however, is not in itself sufficient to attract additional visitors to Ireland. We must also pay increased attention to protecting and developing the basic facilities which nature has endowed us with and use our marketing skills to build good quality attractive holiday programmes around them.

The specialist holiday market is one which, it must be admitted, has to a considerable degree been under-exploited by the Irish tourist industry. It offers tremendous scope for generating increased tourist traffic and revenue, especially off-peak, from key foreign markets like Britain, France and Germany. This is one of the major areas into which the Government will be encouraging investment and channelling grantaid.

Returning to the Bill now before the House, I should explain that the main elements are contained in section 2. Section 2 (1) deals with the limits on grant-aid to holiday accommodation. Grant assistance of over £5 million has been provided by the Government, through Bord Fáilte, for the development of holiday accommodation since the limit was last raised in 1983. This grant expenditure has had a positive effect in the upgrading and expansion of our accommodation stock. Specific grants have been available at various stages for the hotel and guesthouse sector, the caravan and camping sectors, town and country homes, farmhouses and also for the expansion of the youth hostel network.

Accommodation schemes in operation at the moment are for caravan and camping and for the supplementary holiday accommodation sectors which cover town and country homes and farmhouses. There is a special need in these areas to continue to improve standards and upgrade facilities. They represent a very important element of the accommodation sector and are particularly well suited for growth, in line with the trend towards more outdoor activity type holidays. The feedback from tourists who have used the facilities of farmhouses and the type of accommodation being talked about now has been more than encouraging. In fact, it is regarded as some of the best value in Europe in tourist terms.

The scope of the supplementary holiday accommodation scheme was extended earlier this year, and now applies nationwide. Previously the scheme excluded County Dublin and premises within a seven mile radius of Cork city and three mile radius of towns of over 3,000 population. However, the widening gap between standards of similar accommodation in urban areas and in rural areas in recent years justified this extension.

By the end of this year Bord Fáilte will have paid out almost £29.6 million in grant-aid for accommodation since first introduced by the Tourist Traffic Act of 1959. This leaves less than £0.4 million remaining before the statutory limit of £30 million is reached. I therefore propose that the statutory limit be raised now from £30 million to £36 million. This will be adequate to cover existing accommodation schemes until 1990, at the earliest, as well as allowing some leeway for their extension or the possible introduction of new schemes should the Government and the Oireachtas decide this is warranted.

Section 2 (2) deals with grant expenditure for the development of tourism-related facilities and amenities. The existing statutory limit on grants of this nature is £14 million and expenditure up to the end of 1986 amounted to almost £13 million. The 1987 allocation for this type of grant expenditure is just £1.2 million, bringing aggregrate expenditure on amenity development by the end of this year to over £14 million. The current statutory limit of £14 million must, therefore, be increased now to ensure completion of this year's amenity development programme.

Since 1983 the Government, through Bord Fáilte, have provided almost £4 million in grant assistance for the development of tourism amenities and facilities in the non-accommodation area. This expenditure has stimulated the development of a wide variety of facilities including angling, inland waterway development projects, heritage centres an the up-grading and extension of the local tourism information network. Other areas of major grant expenditure include water sports facilities, equestrian centres, historical and cultural sites, parks and great houses and gardens.

If we are to compete effectively for an increased share of the growing world tourist market our amenities and facilities must be of the highest standard and comparable to those available elsewhere. However, we need to continue to spend available money wisely so as to achieve a real return in terms of increasing tourism numbers and revenue. It is, therefore, paramount that the funding available to Bord Fáilte be used in so far as it is practical to further and complement the board's primary role — the promotion and marketing of Ireland as a tourist destination.

Assistance provided for many projects in the past may have enhanced general tourism amenities in particular areas, but from the point of view of the generation of additional tourism traffic the effect has been negligible. It is my intention that future assistance under this scheme be channelled towards projects which enhance and complement the existing tourism product and which offer a clearly identifiable return in the form of additional tourism revenue. Bord Fáilte will continue, of course, to maintain considerable discretion in the day to day allocation of these grants.

As I have said earlier, the statutory limit covering this particular area will be reached during the current year and I am accordingly proposing that the limit be increased from £14 million to £18 million.

Tá súil agam go nglacfaidh Seanad Éireann leis an mBille seo agus leis an dearcadh atá agamsa gur tionscal antábhachtach ar fad tionscal na turasóireachta. Tá mé réidh chun éisteacht leis na moltaí — tá a fhios agam go dtiocfaidh siad — ó Bhaill an tSeanaid agus tá súil agam go mbeidh Bille againn a bheas chun sochair na turasóireachta agus na tíre.

I congratulate the Minister on his appointment and I welcome him on his first visit to the Seanad. I am sorry we were not in a position to welcome him to our own Chamber, but I am sure he realises the difficulties we have been having there and he is at home in this Chamber anyway. I would also like to compliment him for his efforts since his appointment. He has certainly brought flair to the office and we will be anxiously awaiting the results of that enthusiasm. I wish him well.

I have often felt that we never made the most of our potential as a tourist nation. We have miserably failed in the past to sell our advantages and attractiveness for a relaxing vacation to the average busy European businessman or woman. I welcome the Minister's remarks today in regard to his concentration on mainland Europe. We are blessed by heaven in having a most magnificent varied coastline, one that cannot be matched in the world for variety. We are an island outpost of Europe steeped in history and one can scarcely travel a couple of miles without discovering something different, something historic, something interesting. Thus, Europeans can enjoy a landscape and climate unparalleled in mainland Europe. Above all, we have a relaxing atmosphere not easily found by those same Europeans in their own countries.

Europeans have easy access to Ireland because it is comparatively near their homeland and yet to them it can be a different world. Many of these people know very little about us or what we have to offer. Here I believe we have failed in the past and it is time to put that right. I do not know if Bord Fáilte have ever considered employing an officer from one of those countries from which we are trying to attract tourists. It would be a good idea to advertise in these countries for a suitable officer to come here and tell us what is necessary to encourage tourists to glance in this direction.

For many years we expended our energies, money and determination to get the British tourists here. We succeeded mainly by our own efforts but we were helped by world events. In the fifties and sixties our greatest number of tourists came from Great Britain and they were very welcome. Unfortunately that was interrupted in the late sixties and seventies by events on this island but we had no substitute ready. At that time, Bord Fáilte could have paid more attention to the European market seeking the tourists I have just spoken about — the busy European businessman who wanted a quick vacation in a country which was easy to get to and relatively near home.

There are a number of things we must do to make tourists feel wanted. We need to pay attention to quite a number of items in many parts of the country and I want to refer briefly to some of them. The Minister would do well to have a word with local authorities — even in these stringent times when capital is scarce — to impress upon them the importance of paying attention to improvements in order to attract tourists. Most of us know how inadequate road signs can be, as we have found earlier this year and at other times when travelling the country. Very often they point in the wrong direction. It baffles me that so many local authorities have done so little about that, that they cannot design a road sign that cannot easily be moved by vandals or the weather. I believe such a road sign is possible — perhaps they could put a screw in the arm that grips the upright post or even weld it. There are many road signs which are misleading for the Irish and foreign tourists.

There is also the terrible publicity our beaches got at the weekend when we had the first burst of continental weather. One of our beaches was described in a national newspaper as an unflushed toilet. That is not good publicity. It is about time our people woke up to the fact that what they do and how they behave has a bearing on our tourist trade, one of the most important industries the country has today. It might be no harm if the Minister were to give some attention to educating our people on how they should treat the environment. No matter how far advanced we seem to get along that road, there is always some section of the community or some area which will let us down and, we were sadly let down by many, not all, of those who went to the beaches at the weekend. This has been going on for a considerable time. I remember passing through a very famous County Waterford seaside resort about six years ago and I have to say I would be reluctant to visit that resort again. I had a swim in the sea and I was only about 15 yards out when I felt I was in a cess-pool. That is no exaggeration. What was found on the beaches was similar to what the newspapers said was on the Dublin beaches this weekend.

It baffles me that the Minister for the Environment in recent weeks made an order disbanding the Dublin Metropolitan Streets Commission. I sincerely hope that, while it is not this Minister's responsibility, he protested at the Cabinet table. An effort was being made to make Dublin more presentable not only to its citizens and those who come into it from other parts of the country but to foreign tourists, many of whom have strong words to say about the condition of Dublin. I have spoken to some tourists who are frequent visitors to Ireland and they cannot get over the deterioration in the city. Last year I was told by a tourist who has visited Ireland 11 times, spending more than a week each time in Dublin, that when he travels the city streets today he scarcely recognises them. Buildings that were there two or three years ago have disappeared with nothing to replace them but derelict sites.

I urge the Minister to take up with his Cabinet colleague the question of having the Dublin Metropolitan Streets Commission reconstituted as quickly as possible. This was a step in the right direction and the commission would have been of enormous benefit if they had been permitted to perform their duties. I hope the Minister will have something to say in that regard although I know that, perhaps for political reasons, he might prefer to stay silent. If he remains silent in this House or outside the Cabinet room I hope he will not remain silent within the Cabinet and that he will make every effort to have the Dublin Metropolitan Streets Commission or some similar body in place as quickly as possible.

I would like to see greater efforts being made in the Dublin area to attract not only foreign tourists but also the domestic market. While Bord Fáilte and those in the tourist trade try to attract city people to country areas, beaches, parks and mountains, little effort is made to encourage country people to spend their vacation in Dublin. Little publicity is given to Dublin. The Dublin street carnival held recently has been a great addition to the Dublin scene in recent years. There is musical entertainment in St. Stephen's Green about twice a month at present but bands should be encouraged to play there at least twice weekly.

Unfortunately, I have to refer yet again to another black spot in the Dublin area, where not a day passes without a tourist being relieved of his wallet. I referred to that two years ago and I was critical of the Garda activity in and around O'Connell Bridge and St. Stephen's Green. A friend of mine who is a Dubliner but looks like at tourist because his hair is very fair, unlike an Irish person, was approached on his way to the bank while he was carrying a sum of money. He knew that while the person in front was speaking to him the danger was behind him. He used his foot to hurt the person who was about to relieve him of his wallet although he ran the risk of being criticised by passersby for kicking a young person. He has seen this going on so often with little or no action by the Garda and he deplores it. This happened outside the gates of Trinity College and is happening every day of the week. Events such as this are being reported in tourist offices in Great Britain and the Continent and are not doing our tourist trade any good. I ask the Minister to pay some attention to this and to direct the relevant authorities to take the necessary action.

I live in a scenic area visited by many Dubliners and foreigners. The Dublin mountain area is used in particular by Dubliners for picnics, evening drives and so on. We have been scourged, particulary this year, by unauthorised dumping in picnic areas. I have been battling with the local authority to have these cleaned up and they have done so two or three times in the past few months. There was a difficulty because one of the main tipheads was closed. It will be open again for a few hours this week and I understand that in about one month's time it will be fully open. What happens then? The local authority now impose a charge on people who go to the tiphead to dispose of their rubbish. There are instances of shopkeepers who tidy up their entire area consisting of, perhaps, six to eight local shops. These people will now be charged for disposing of their rubbish in the tiphead. This is a step in the wrong direction; a charge that should not have been imposed. For political reasons the Minister's own party refused to have anything to do with water rates and opposed their imposition in the Dublin area. Instead there is a charge on tipheads which is having a detrimental effect on the environment. It is also a disincentive to encouraging visitors to the area.

There has been criticism of the fact that there are only two sites for caravan holidaymakers in Dublin, both of which are on the Wicklow border at Ballybrack and Shankill. I understand there are no camping facilities on these sites. The Minister should have a word with Bord Fáilte to see if it would be possible to have a caravan and camping site provided in the Dublin mountain area or in the west county area because the existing sites are in densely populated and built up areas. Most people going on a caravan holiday want to be adjacent to a city but not in it. Serious consideration should be given to this as it would be a tremendous asset to such holidaymakers.

The Minister commented a great deal on the success of the Government's efforts since coming into office which resulted in increased tourist traffic which we all welcome. He attempted to explain that the comparison between this year and last year is not as relevant as might appear at first sight on paper because of the difficulties encountered by the tourist industry generally last year. Let us hope that we are overcoming those difficulties and that the improvement will continue and that many more foreign visitors will be attracted to our shores. The initiative taken by Northern Unionists in recent days may be significant in this respect. The less we in the Republic say about that for the moment the better. It is a very welcome step and should be reflected in the efforts of both Bord Fáilte and other tourist agencies engaged in the business of attracting tourists here.

I do not have to remind the Minister of the apparent lack of success on the domestic scene. Over the years insufficient attention was given to encouraging Irish people to stay at home. A greater effort could be made at making our people realise the value to the country of spending their pounds here in Ireland and at the same time, seeing more of the country. There must be many thousands of Irish people who know more about the coastline of the Canary Islands or of Spain or Portugal than about their own. Our people are bombarded by television advertisements and tourist operators here offering cheap holidays abroad. Of course, the great attraction is the sun. For whatever reason this year we seem to be failing more than ever in encouraging our people to remain at home. I am sure every Member of this House and the Minister who enters Leinster House from Kildare Street will see the hundreds of people queuing for passports at the Passport Office in Molesworth Street. Many of them may be emigrating — I hope that proportion is small — but a large proportion must be going abroad on holiday. If we could only persuade 10 per cent of those people to stay at home think what it would mean to the country, to employment generally. I would ask the Minister to devote as much attention as possible to this matter. Thankfully, over the last six or seven years inflation here has dropped to almost 2 per cent, whereas — as far as I can remember — when the Coalition Government who have just left office came into power, inflation was at 18 per cent. That is a big reduction in inflation and must encourage people to holiday at home and, indeed also, foreign visitors to come here.

There should be more incentive to Irish people to spend their holiday at home. When I mentioned this recently to some Irish people who had arranged to spend their holidays abroad, their response was that all Government encouragement was directed at foreign visitors. They referred to the petrol allowance and other incentives to foreign visitors. I am not complaining about these incentives. I am telling the Minister about the perception among our people that more attention is given to attracting foreigners here than to encouraging Irish people, man or woman, to spend their holidays at home. I am well aware that it is not an easy task. Many people will go abroad seeking the sun whereas the reverse is the case with regard to continentals coming here. They do not come here for the sun. They are not the people who frequent our beaches. They come here for a leisurely holiday in a different atmosphere and climate and we should recognise that.

I hope that Minister will redouble his efforts in encouraging our people to spend more time at home seeing and learning more of our beautiful land. I related in the House last week my experience in the west of the previous weekend which was not very encouraging. Unfortunately, I had gone there the wrong weekend. It would have been different had I gone this past weekend when we had such glorious sunshine. When we get sunshine there is no better place throughout the length and breadth of Europe in which to spend one's holiday, even for our own people. We should remember that foreign visitors do not come here seeking sunshine. Many have told me so. Last weekend in the west I met some French people to whom I apologised for the bad weather. They replied that they did not come here for sun, that if they wanted sunshine they would go elsewhere. They were quite happy, even delighted with the prevailing weather.

Perhaps the Minister would also consider my suggestion of employing somebody from, say, France, Germany or wherever Bord Fáilte decide each year to encourage visitors to come here so that they could familiarise themselves with the holiday scene in Ireland. If say, the Spanish or Germans were encouraging Irish people to visit their countries I am quite sure they would endeavour to find a qualified Irish person to assist them in their objective. There is no reason why we cannot do likewise. I would ask the Minister to seriously consider having a highly qualified, well-paid senior officer of Bord Fáilte from continental Europe to assist them in their efforts in attracting continentals here.

I and my party support the Bill, as we did in the Dáil. I am glad the Minister has noted some of Deputy Deasy's remarks in the Dáil because he has included some of them in his speech to this House which is somewhat different from what he said in the other House. I wish the Minister well in his capacity as Minister for Tourism and Transport — both related — and I hope that his efforts will pay dividends.

At the outset I, too, would like to be associated with Senator McMahon's expression of welcome to the Minister and to wish him well in his office. The signal success which the Minister has had to date in this Ministry should be recorded here. It is an indication of his commitment to the wellbeing of our tourism industry. A recent article in the Stokes Kennedy Crowley Commission report to the Irish Hotels Federation states that it would be possible to double the real value of tourism in six to seven years if the Government recognise the significance of tourism to the economy; if a detailed co-ordinated plan is developed in conjunction with State interests involved in tourism; if the Department is strengthened; if funds are provided to invest in a growth plan; and if substantial increases are introduced in the level of promotion in key markets. An additional £3 million to £5 million will be required each year for the next five years.

It is obvious that the Minister has committed himself to a practically identical programme because, after two to three months in office, his own programme was launched on 4 May, which is a little over two months ago. Significant success has been achieved already in commitment to the programme as outlined in this suggestion by Stokes Kennedy Crowley. If for no other reason, the Minister must be congratulated for that. There is already evidence of success. We have seen in the media over the past two or three days that arrivals for the first quarter of the year are up by 19 per cent. Some word of caution might be sounded here because I am aware that the hotel industry people are saying they do not see evidence of this increase.

It is obvious at the early stage of the reduced fares that that has made quite a substantial impact on the ethnic market in the UK in that it was an inducement to people who have, in the main, quite recently gone as emigrants to the UK, to avail of the reduced fares. They are not staying in hotels and guesthouses but are coming home. It should not be lost sight of that these people make a significant contribution to the economy, despite the fact that they do not avail of tourism facilities as we know them. They are still visiting public houses, shops and whatever other facilities they make use of when they are at home. We in the hotel industry quite often tend to cry crocodile tears. It has been brought to my attention over the past few days that there is not much evidence of the 19 per cent increase manifesting itself by way of increased bed nights in hotels but these are early days yet and we are really only into the peak of the tourism season this week, so people should be conscious of that.

We should also take the opportunity to congratulate the Minister on his outstanding success in the area of reduced fares. The initiatives taken by his predecessor should not be lost sight of and, indeed, the outstanding contribution being made by our EC Commissioner, Mr. Sutherland, in this whole debate on reduced fares. If ever there was an impediment in the way of the development of Irish tourism, it was the cost of access fares into this country and the success in this area is nothing short of outstanding; everybody involved in it is to be congratulated. The tourism industry people have been saying for years that it could be done. This Minister has now proved that it can be done and is being done and this will manifest itself in a sizeable increase in tourism traffic into this country over the next four or five years.

However, now that we have removed that sizeable impediment, it is important that the Minister should — and I have no doubt he will — now produce a development plan for a five year period. We have had over the past number of years a kind of hotch-potch development in the tourism industry. One year a lot of money was provided, the next year, none, and so on. As a consequence, we did not have a development plan as such. That must be a priority and I have no doubt the Minister will commit himself to providing a five year plan. Growth targets must be decided upon and in this context an independent study has shown that it is possible to double Ireland's foreign tourism earnings over the next six to seven years, with the consequential creation of in excess of 40,000 jobs into the Irish economy.

It is also important to state at this stage that, if the existing tourism agencies and organisations cannot deliver this kind of growth, we must seek new organisations and new people who will deliver. This is important and this assessment must be done soon. It must be done quickly and if the Minister is satisfied that the existing structures cannot deliver, he should not be reticent about providing new structures. There is evidence on the ground that in the recent past we have not gained the kind of market share we may have felt entitled to.

In relation to market share, somewhat belatedly—though better late than never — we have gone back into the British market. Tragically, over the past few years we lost sight of what was the backbone of our industry. Emphasis should be put on the fact, however, that the UK scene has changed substantially and we now have two or three generations of UK citizens who have become totally sold on the concept of the sunshine holiday. We should not endeavour to compete in this area, but should direct our attention towards the kind of environmental attractions we have that still appeal to a very large segment of the UK traffic.

There is an additional dimension to that traffic, I would suggest, that is, the one described by some segments of the industry as the golden years element. There are now over 10 million people on retirement pensions in the UK between the ages of 60 and 70. It is a sizeable market that is not adequately focused on. These are quite a well-off section of British society, quite often having two pensions each. Many of them have been here in the past. They are not particularly well disposed towards language difficulties on the Continent, food difficulties quite often and traffic difficulties in particular. The kind of autobahn concept of France, Germany and Spain does not appeal to the older generations, whereas they can drive here in safety without any let or hindrance on practically all our roads and enjoy the environment at the same time. It is a market that should be seriously focused on.

There are a few other points I would like to bring to the Minister's attention while we are debating on tourism. I mentioned last week in the debate on the Finance Bill a significant element of tourism that quite often tragically is lost sight of, and I hope I will not labour the point too much today. One great common denominator with regard to complaints about the tourism industry here is the cost of drink. It is something that we do not like to discuss publicly very often, either, but it is a serious deterrent to our efforts to attract tourists to this country.

Another serious matter which we need to address very earnestly, is hundreds of tourists finding themselves standing outside hotels and pubs at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night. It is very difficult to reconcile that with holidays. People visiting this country at Easter find every pub and every hotel bar closed. How one reconciles that with Ireland of the welcomes I do not know, but it is something we need to address very quickly. I know there are proposals to come before the Houses of the Oireachtas over the next few months in relation to opening hours but I am addressing myself only to the tourism dimension of this problem today. It is one to which the Minister for Tourism and Transport should address himself.

We talk about transport, suitable accommodation, the quality of food and the environment, but we must never forget that people enjoy the night life in a resort just as much as the day life. This is very important and in Ireland we tend to lose sight of it. A significant attraction to foreigners coming to this country is the whole aspect of the pub culture. We tend to play it down, whereas it is significant. So long as we continue to close pubs on a Sunday night at 10 o'clock and to close pubs in resorts at 11.30 p.m. in the summer time we are harming very seriously the people in the marketplace who are trying to sell Ireland as an attractive tourist destination. I suggest to the Minister that we should seek to have a tourism input into this debate as well as the other considerations which the Minister for Justice will have to address.

Another problem which is related to the somewhat jaundiced eye with which people in the hotel industry sometimes look at the Bord Fáilte suggested upsurge in tourist figures is that many thousands of tourists who arrive in Ireland each year find themselves in unapproved accommodation. This is a subject that has been put before successive Ministers for Tourism and has been shirked because there are some constitutional ramifications in addressing it.

A couple of years ago I was chairman of a group in a regional tourism board. At the end of each year we used to examine written complaints submitted by tourists at ferry ports, airports, hotels, and regional tourism offices. On one occasion in excess of 50 per cent of the complaints related to problems in unapproved accommodation locations. You can imagine the invidious position we found ourselves in as a regional tourism board with statutory establishment having had to write back to these tourists and say: "We are very sorry but we have no control over these people. They can carry on without let or hindrance from the Government, the county councils, the planning authorities or anybody else." In many cases next door to an unapproved accommodation operator there is an approved guesthouse operator who is subject to investigations by a Bord Fáilte quality standards inspector, a fire inspector, a hygiene inspector or a revenue inspector while the person operating in perhaps the same terrace can operate without let or hindrance and can ignore every regulation as he sees fit. This is a serious problem and it is the classic black economy in the tourism industry. The unapproved accommodation operators are creaming from the top of the deck. Hoteliers, registered guesthouse owners, town and country home operators and farmhouse operators have to subscribe to various standards and legislative controls and until such time as everybody is obliged to be registered by the State or some licensing authority, we will not have the uniformity of standards that we and, in particular, tourists are entitled to.

In regard to the involvement of local authorities in tourism generally much has been said in recent days at various conferences, and so on, about the desire of county councils and corporations to have a greater involvement in tourism. As a member of a local authority for 15 years I know there is more than enough for public authorities such as councils and the corporations to do under existing legislation if they would only do it.

Senator McMahon referred to the nonchalant attitude we have to the problem of pollution. There is a sizeable number of pollution Acts, litter Acts and other legislation in place to control litter and dumping. One has only to look at local or national newspapers to see how few prosecutuions there are in regard to pollution. As a race of people we are indifferent to problems of the environment. There is little point in putting into position reams of legislation to control pollution if we are not going to implement it. I suggest to local authorities that this is the area they should be addressing themselves to rather than looking for an additional brief in the tourism arena. On a daily basis there are fish killings in practically every river in this State but very few prosecutions are initiated. In my county last week farmers refused to allow the county council environmental officers onto their land in pursuit of huge fish kills in one of the best salmon and trout rivers in Munster.

Local authorities must act under their present brief to pursue the people who are polluting rivers and killing fish. This is having a huge effect on the quality of our tourism product. The impact this has on our native angler can be discussed another day because we are addressing the tourism industry today. The impact of a fish kill in a river in any part of this country on the tourism product is immeasurable. I discussed this with tourists in my constituency recently. These tourists come to Ireland on the basis that the rivers are pollution free, that there are adequate fish stocks and so on. However, they may be fishing for only ten minutes when they see the contents of a slurry pit passing down the river and within hours hundreds of fish are dead on the river bank. This cannot be allowed to continue. The legislation is in place and all we need is a commitment to take on the people who are causing pollution. With proper confrontation by the public authorities we will stop them in time.

I could go on and on about our indifference to litter. Senator McMahon referred to the litter problem on the beaches in County Dublin over the holiday weekend. It is a problem on every beach. This pollution is being caused by our own citizens. When non-nationals have picnics in caravan parks and the other places they reside in during their holidays they collect their debris and refuse, take them to a receptacle and put them away. Unfortunately the same cannot be said about Irish tourists. The disarray on our beaches over this weekend with disposable nappies and so on is inexcusable.

We will have to continue to exhort people to be conscious of the importance of the environment. We are a little blase when advertising our beautiful rivers and countryside abroad because we are slowly but surely eroding the beauty of our countryside by our own indifference. This is a programme local authorities could address themselves to on a local basis by going into the school and convincing children that littering is a serious problem, a blot on the landscape and will ultimately contribute substantially to the demise of the tourism industry in Ireland.

I want to refer to the area of planning and, in particular, our general indifference to street planning. I know the Dublin street plan was referred to but there are problems in every town and village in relation to street planning. There is a proliferation of neon signs and so on. Thankfully this is changing due primarily to the success of places like Kinsale, Dunmanway, Tyrrellspass and other small towns and villages in the Tidy Towns Competition. These towns and villages were transformed by local people in pursuit of prizes in the Tidy Towns Competition. By removing the neon signs and replacing them with handpainted signs made by native craftsmen people saw that a village landscape could be enhanced in a matter of days. With a proper commitment this kind of transformation can take place in days rather than years.

On the converse side there is the continuing disarray in relation to the cavities on streets, abandoned buildings and cars, indifference to the necessity to paint street shop fronts and so on. We will have to examine that area and again this is an obvious role for local authorities. We need to exhort local authorities when they give planning permission in scenic areas to ensure that the conditions laid down are being properly adhered to. This should especially relate to the provision of gardens and the laying out of a properly landscaped site in relation to house development. Quite often architects and planners send in very fancy plans to local authorities but when a house is constructed, the garden is forgotten about. We see nothing but disarray. I saw an example of this in the forest park in Glengarriff where very controversial planning permission for a house was given four or five years ago. The house was built but the concrete blocks that where there five years ago are still standing where the garden should be. A facet of that planning permission was that a properly landscaped garden would be laid out but nobody went back to see that it was done. This is a result of staffing ratios which is another day's work. There has been much comment in recent days about the anxiety of local authorities to get involved in the tourism arena. Legislation is in position for them already and all they need is a commitment to pursue the people who are abusing the environment.

I would like to refer to the payola industry that is starting to rear its ugly head in the tourism industry. It is a very serious problem. People are making arrangements with coach drivers and tour operators to go to certain shops and stores to the detriment of all others — if you are not contributing to the wellbeing of these people you do not do business with the passengers on the coach. That has to be stopped. I understand people have examined the type of income these people can expect at present which can amount to £40,000 and £50,000 annually. That cannot be allowed to continue.

Other Ministers in this Government have already committed themselves to fair play in the marketplace. It has to come into play in the tourism industry as well. We must ensure that people who have craft shops, restaurants and so on are allowed the same access to the customer as everybody else and are not dictated to by the operator, the courier or anybody else. That must stop. I ask the Minister to address himself seriously to this whole business.

In conclusion, it is important for people in the industry to respond to the commitment they are presently getting from the Minister and the Department of Tourism. It is not enough any more for Irish people in the hotel and guesthouse industry to expect that people will be conveyed up to their front doors by virtue of Government initiatives taken in the marketplaces of Germany, France, the United States or wherever. They will have to come together and will have to do more. Unfortunately, at present, in workshops abroad and so on the primary representation is done by the chain hotels and so on who are giving huge employment, and so they should, as they have the resources to be in the marketplace. Other strata of the hotel industry do not have the funds at their disposal to go abroad. They are dependent entirely on Bord Fáilte to market them abroad.

A welcome initiative was taken last year and the year before in relation to branding but that needs to be extended to the entire spectrum of the industry. We are picking only at the surface at present. It is not enough for foreign tourists to have a perception on Ireland that every hotel is costing £60 per bed without breakfast, because that is not the case. You can still get good quality hotels in this country. Grade A, Grade B, and Grade C, offering accommodation for as little as £12 and £14. It is not necessarily the preserve of guesthouses. Unfortunately there is that perception and one has only to listen to the current affairs debates on radio and television to realise that hotels are costing a fortune. If there are segments of the industry that can get £60 for bed only or for bed and breakfast c'est la vie so far as I am concerned and the best of luck to them, but everybody in the industry should be exposed to the marketplace.

Much of the initiative must come from the industry itself but I put it to the Minister that we should be looking at the possibility of allowing others greater exposure into the marketplace. The obvious vehicle for that is greater exposure for the regional tourism organisations in the marketplace. At present there is a statutory constraint on regional tourism boards. They cannot advertise abroad except with the specific permission of Bord Fáilte in certain specialised areas like angling and so on. There is a definite role for regional tourism companies in the vanguard of the kind of initiative that Bord Fáilte will take. Following that up, when the initial shock troops have gone through from Bord Fáilte, a specialised group from the regional tourism organisation would them come into that same marketplace and sell individual packets on the ground whether in trade fairs in Frankfurt, Paris or wherever. Bord Fáilte's job is to sell the total Irish product. They have done that very well. It would be tragic if we got into the knock Bord Fáilte league at this stage when there is a hiccup in the marketplace because they have done an extraordinarily good job over the years and that should be recorded here. There is need also for a more localised and more personalised involvement in the marketplace once the Bord Fáilte initiative has been taken.

We must examine Ireland as a tourism destination. Is this the Ireland of the fáilte we knew ten or 15 years ago? Is it the Ireland of the welcomes we knew 15 or 20 years ago that made us different from every other tourism destination in this Continent? We should say that it is not any more. It is an aspect of the development and the training of our tourism people, particularly through CERT, that will have to be projected to a much higher degree than is being currently done. We are unfortunately getting into the business of the mechanical tourism operator. Even though a Senator was taken to task in the House last week for making a similar comment I am fortunate in that Senator Daly is not present at the moment so I can say it with some degree of freedom.

It is a serious problem and it is a matter that is commented on by tourists who were here in the past and have come again now that we have become a little indifferent, we do not seem to be as concerned with the wellbeing of the tourist as we were in the past. He does not get the same kind of welcome he used get when he went into a pub, a restaurant or a shop where people bent over backwards to ensure that that tourist got to his destination. If a product he sought to buy was not available in a particular shop he was directed somewhere else where it was available. This is the kind of thing we must do again. It is a natural phenomenon for the Irish to welcome people into their homes, town or business. We have lost sight of how significant it is in the tourist perception of how much he enjoyed his holiday. I ask the Minister to pass that on to the training agencies currently involved in the industry.

In conclusion I will read the final conclusions of the Stokes Kennedy Crowley report, in relation to the potential of the tourism industry as related in a recent report to the Irish Hotels Federation. The report states that if tourism could be doubled in five years the real GNP would increase by £208 million, the balance of payments would improve by £126 million, employment would increase by 40,000 jobs and Government borrowings would fall by £143 million. This is an indication of the market and the potential this tourism industry has. If the initiatives and the thrust the Minister has given to the industry and the new impetus he has given it in the three months he has been in office is any indication it augurs well for the well being of the tourist industry in the future.

Cuirim fáilte chroíúil roimh an Aire. Seo í an chéad uair a chonaic mé é sa Seanad. Tá aithne againn ar a chéile le fada an lá. Bhaineamar tráth leis an aon cheard amháin agus deirtear, "is báúil iad lucht aon cheirde". Tá aithne againn ar a chéile agus, má deirim é, meas againn ar a chéile. An post atá anois aige, ar shlí tá sé níos tábhachtaí, déarfainn, ná aon phost a bhí aige cheana. Tá a fhios again go maith gur fheidhmigh sé mar Aire Oideachais ach ó thaobh na heacnamaíochta de i láthair na huaire, do tharlódh go bhfuil an post atá anois aige chomh tábhachtach ar a laghad le aon phost a bhí aige cheana. Faoi mar a léirigh an Seanadóir O'Callaghan ansan, níl aon teora leis an fhorbairt atá i ndán dúinn má éiríonn i gceart leis an turasóireacht.

I welcome the Minister and I am glad to see him in his present incarnation. In my previous presence in Seanad Éireann it was very fruitful to engage in discussion with the Minister on educational matters. I know he has a particular crusading zeal in his present post which is very welcome because as Senator O'Callaghan said there is no limit to the possibilities inherent in tourism. I wish the Minister well and fully support this Bill. I listened with great interest to the previous speakers. Senator O'Callaghan in particular made some very arresting points but he is an expert in these matters and I fully endorse both his support for Bord Fáilte's achievement over several years and the necessity of regional tourism boards.

I am not sure that I agree with Senator O'Callaghan that our people have changed in their personalities. These are relative matters and certainly in comparison with other countries, even in a disintegrating social climate such as we are experiencing at the moment the natural courtesy of people irrespective, as they say, of class or age that you get in an Irish town can only be appreciated if you live for some time in Boston, New York or London. That warmth and informality are there. This is one of the things that attracts tourists here.

Unfortunately, the obverse side of that coin is the kind of informality which expresses itself in regard to the Environment. They are actually two sides of the same coin. Our task is to preserve the positive and beneficial traditional side of the Irish personality, while reforming what has become now a major threat not alone to the tourist industry but to our own environmental survival. We are, in short, a filthy people. The scenes that have been referred to here in recent days are inexcusable — the littering of the beaches. It is the same kind of mentality that accounts for, for example, the widespread disregard of no smoking notices in areas where smoking is prohibited. Again it is the same indifferent attitude that has been referred to, the same informality as it were. We have yet to discipline ourselves very much in these areas.

The Minister referred to the possibilities for walking holidays. We are at the beginning of the whole idea of expanding the walking dimension of tourism in Ireland. In a walk which is a favourite of mine in what I call inner west Cork, one comes to a spectacular summit of a country road and looks down on the lakes of Inchigeela. The place in question is called in English Mount Prospect but in Irish it is favoured with the much more romantic name of Mullach Méaróga Finn. At the top of this beautiful and otherwise unspoiled area, about two years ago somebody parked a truck. It is as if he deliberately selected the most scenic spot in which to dispose of his unwanted truck. My question is: why has nobody removed that particular blight on the landscape? It is all part of the same pattern. A historian is interested in the causes for this particular blight in the Irish personality. We are careless about these matters partly because, up to quite recently, it really did not matter. We were a rural people, an under-populated country, and if you threw litter here and there it did not matter. There is a timelag here in people's perception. We are now an urban people. It is vital for our own survival that we change our ways. There is something of the anti-authority element which accounts for it as well.

A fundamental point and a political point at best is that people will not treat the environment with respect unless they identify with it. It is no good talking about lack of civic spirit. That only begs the question. You cannot teach civic spirit in the abstract. Unless people identify with the scenery, with their parks, with public amenities generally, they will think of them as belonging to other people. Whatever has to be said about the deficiencies of the socialist society in Eastern Europe, nobody can be in any doubt that the Russians treat their public resources with great respect.

The reasons for this unfortunate propensity in our people are not for this particular discussion. Our task is to address how we should remedy this. It must be a combination of many things such as a permanent part of instructions in schools and public disappoval. I spoke about the indifferent attitude to smoking in train compartments, but I think that is improving. There is a growing climate of public disappoval which I hope will continue and be extended to other areas. In the end, the sanction of the law must be applied. As Senator O'Callaghan said, we must enforce as far as possible the existing laws.

I remember being here when the Litter Bill was going through the House some years ago. The fines mentioned in the Bill struck me at the time as almost excessive. It seemed to me that they were draconian, the idea that you could be fined £800 for littering the pavement. In theory this was true; in practice, of course, it has remained a dead letter. The Litter Bill is a dead letter. That is unforgiveable.

Some of the least noticed and yet most important aspects of our tourist traffic in Ireland are summer schools which are growing in the number of schools themselves and in the individual number of students. These are now becoming a feature of Irish universities during what is sometimes called the long vacation but, as those of us who are attached to these universities know, there is no such thing as the long vacation. In University College, Cork, — I have some direct responsibility for it — we have just begun a month long summer school in Irish studies. I submit that the students who come to these schools form first impressions and very often they are lasting impressions. We are very much aware of that in the provisions we make for the social side of the school. Sometimes even a very modest sponsorship from Bord Fáilte can make a big difference to the financial make or break of these schools. I know the Minister is aware of them but I plead with him to make a note of it that these schools are extremely important. Today's students are tomorrow's tourists. They will come back again if they are impressed.

Commercial operators are now recognising the need for an educational dimension for tours. It is very interesting that over the past few years, upmarket coach tours for Americans — in fact, Shannon Castle is one of the these tours — are recognising the need to get somebody to talk to their tourists at the outset of their Irish tour about the history of the country, about its culture and about is politics. These tourists come here, not to a sun-soaked resort as they know, but increasingly in pursuit of something more than the scenery and more than the people. They want to know something deeper about the country itself. This is a very creditable activitiy. It is very important that the people who give these talks are properly informed and that they can enhance and enrich the audiences to which they lecture. Despite the disparaging references earlier on to professors, professors have their uses in this context and are very much welcomed by these commercial operators for these scene setting talks.

I listened with interest also to Senator O'Callaghan's reference to unregistered and unlicensed guesthouses. I am not sufficiently well acquainted with guesthouses to be able to tell the distinction always, but I know that generally we should all be grateful to the legitimate bed and breakfast business. In a time of high inflation, which mercifully seems to be past, the bed and breakfast business provided sometimes the only way in which our own people or visitors could have a holiday. In that respect some of the most frequent users of the bed and breakfast trade were and are the British tourists. I endorse what Senator O'Callaghan said about their importance to the tourist economy and I am glad to see them back.

We should remind ourselves here again, that politics really enters into everything. Many British visitors still will not come to Ireland because of their perception of the political situation. Many of those who came to Ireland in past years got a very poor welcome from yahoos who went around burning buses and so on. We cannot welcome the British tourist on the one hand and hope we can indulge our emotional, sentimental feelings about past events on the other. These two things are closely related.

Debate adjourned.
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