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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 20 Jun 1991

Vol. 129 No. 12

Adjournment Matter. - Listed Buildings.

I propose to share my time with my friend from Trinity College. The purpose behind this motion is clear and straightforward and I believe the Minister will have no difficulty supporting what I propose.

A number of important listed buildings in Dublin have recently been destroyed in mysterious and suspicious circumstances, in some cases following the refusal of planning permission and in others apparently to force a situation where planning permission becomes inevitable, but in all cases to make a mockery of the planning regulations and the purpose behind the listing of buildings, which is to preserve intact buildings of historic and architectural value. We all know what happened recently to Merrion Hall, just down the road from here.

I want to concentrate this morning on a more recent happening — the destruction of 30 Kenilworth Square, Rathmines. This house was built by the Eason family in the mid-1800s. It was listed for conservation by Dublin Corporation in their development plan. It was soundly constructed and well maintained at the time of its sale to Galesberg Trading in 1989. Galesberg Trading sought permission from Dublin Corporation to demolish No. 30 and to build a block of 12 flats and four two storey houses at the rear. Permission was refused by Dublin Corporation on 25 January 1990. Galesberg, as was their right, then appealed to An Bord Pleanála. In August of that year An Bord Pleanála granted permission for the four two storey houses at the rear but there was no word on the appeal to have the main house demolished. An Bord Pleanála did not do then what they should have done, which was to send the developers off with a flea in their ear for their effrontery in seeking to have a listed house demolished. There then followed a sadly too familiar saga. No. 30 stood empty, showing every sign of neglect. The ground floor windows were broken. There were no locks or alarm. The inside was stripped and the power was cut off. Tons of rubble were dumped on the base of a listed cypress tree. Portaloo cabins were placed in the front garden, attracting vagrants and, most significantly of all, it was learned that there was no insurance on the building.

Various local groups were perturbed by what had happened. They made their views and fears known to An Bord Pleanála who were written to on the matter. Then, lo and behold, almost 17 months since Galesberg applied to have the house knocked down, with nobody having heard from An Bord Pleanála, on 13 May this year there was not one but three fires in this house. There was evidence of petrol used in substantial quantities. There is no doubt among those who have investigated the matter that the house was deliberately torched. As there was no insurance, there was no insurance investigation although the Garda are actively pursuing their inquiries and they have no doubt that the fire was started on purpose.

Following the fire, Dublin Corporation examined the building. They said the walls were sound. When An Bord Pleanála were informed of this by the local residents, who made very clear their concern at what might have happened, within a matter of weeks the board awoke from its slumber, broke its 17 months silence, and gave permission to have the house demolished. This was done within a matter of hours. A listed building became once more a heap of rubble. The law and by-laws were shown to be totally ineffective.

What happened in Kenilworth Square is not an isolated case. It is happening far too frequently and it is becoming a national scandal. In this case the primary responsibility lies with the developers — Galesberg Trading Limited. They allowed the house to remain open, unprotected and uninsured. They allowed it to be there as a target for vandals. If they did not cause the fire directly then they made it possible by their neglect. They, in a sense, invited the fire to take place. They are the only known financial beneficiaries. They stood to gain substantially from what happened. The whole thing stinks to high Heaven.

An Bord Pleanála, too, must take a major share of the blame. From the word "go" they should have said what Dublin Corporation said: this is a listed building, it will not be demolished, end of story, go away. They did not. They delayed for 17 months and they took no action whatsoever during those 17 months to ensure that a listed building was preserved and within weeks of the fire taking place they said it could be demolished in spite of the fact that Dublin Corporation had said it was structurally sound.

Any public process must be open and accountable. An Bord Pleanála have shown in this case, as in others, that they are neither open nor accountable. The low level of public credibility in An Bord Pleanála at present is a national scandal. That is a horror story in the area of conservation that I want to put on the record.

The vast majority of developers are responsible. They have the conservation of the area at heart and if they want to make a profit they also respect the architectural integrity of where they are working. In this case that has not been so. Through the failure of the law and An Bord Pleanála something has happened which has deprived this area of Dublin of a very important architectural asset.

Dublin Corporation, led by former Senator Alexis FitzGerald, recently passed a motion on the destruction of the house in Kenilworth Square. I want to put on the record what Dublin Corporation have asked the Minister to do. They want a Bill to be taken through all Stages before the summer recess which would place the full responsibility of caring for listed buildings on the owners and that in advance of purchasing such a building the potential purchaser should be made aware of his or her responsibility. The corporation in their all-party motion, passed with the support of all parties on Dublin Corporation, asked:

That the Bill would delete section 56 (2) (a) of the Planning and Development Act, 1963, relating to compensation and the two year period following a fire and instead request the Minister for the Environment to permit the chief planning officer or the assistant city manager responsible, Dublin Corporation or with an appeal, the Board of An Bord Pleanála, who believe that damage to a listed building, the subject of a planning application was damaged or destroyed maliciously (whether or not anyone was convicted for causing such damage or destruction). (b) To refuse any such planning application, unless and until the said listed building has been reinstated, to the condition it was in prior to such damage or destruction. (c) Where possible that ownership should ensure that listed buildings are not vacant and instead are occupied at least temporarily whilst reasonable planning applications are made; if this is not possible that they either instal an alarm system or at least block up the structure to a standard provided by way of regulation under the Act and ensure that the building is inspected by a competent architect, engineer, building surveyor at least every three months and a written report provided to the owner and that the report include a comment on the state of the roof, walls, gutter and downpipes and the electrical installation. (d) That the Bill would include severe penalties for not observing the intended purpose of the Bill and that ownership should by an appropriate period following the passage of the Act consult with the relevant planning authority, satisfy them on the adequacy of the intended protection and advise the relevant authority in writing when this protection is in place and furthermore as to who is responsible for the keeping of the relevant file relating to the property in question. (e) That the same provisions be applied to State or semi-State owned listed buildings and that the "consultation" privilege in the 1963 Act be removed.

I do not expect the Minister who is not from the relevant Department to answer me this morning but there is great concern and justified outrage at the failure of the due process to protect listed buildings.

Until we can establish the principle that just as in environmental matters the polluter pays so too will those who have responsibility for protecting listed buildings who stand to gain from their destruction, and until we can ensure that they will not gain from what is happening in mysterious circumstances, then unfortunately this saga will continue.

I thank Senator Manning for raising this very important matter in the Seanad and for sharing his time with me. Listening to the very accurate forensic presentation of the evidence by Senator Manning, it struck me that in addition to a dangerous building section in the corporation there should be a dangerous board section. It would not be any harm if An Board Pleanála were demolished because listed buildings appear to be in as much danger from An Bord Pleanála as they are from developers. It is a cause of concern. I am aware that this house has been destroyed and that the architectural integrity of the square has been diminished by its destruction. There ought to be an appropriate punishment for this kind of public vandalism.

This is by no means the first time such matters have been raised. There was an equally scandalous situation some years ago with regard to Drogheda Grammar School where a listed building was also vandalised and demolished illegally. We are still waiting to see if the processes of law will be powerful enough to ensure that the remains of the building, which were ordered by the courts in Dublin to be numbered and maintained, will be employed to reconstitute the building as far as possible. Even if this is done, the interior is lost forever. It is not enough to maintain an external fabric. This is what happened in Hume Street. This is what was allowed to happen a few months ago to a major list one building on St. Stephen's Green. A planning application was received and accepted for the demolition of the building the reconstitution of the external fabric of the facade and the development of a modern office block inside behind the shell with the entire loss of the interior, its ceilings and so on.

There is no point under present legislation in listing buildings. Ink and paper will not keep a building up. There are no effective teeth in the legislation. There are no serious penalties to act as a disincentive to unscrupulous developers to engage in what used to be known as northside planning permissions where a building is deliberately left open, slates taken off the roof and then there is encouragement for it to go on fire. There have been a number of examples of this, one not too far from here, No. 29 Clare Street, a significant building with a most beautiful staircase richly adorned with 18th century plasterwork. The person whose firm engaged in that act of vandalism which the Lord Mayor, it appears, and the corporation attempted to oppose, was subsequently rewarded by way of glowing tributes as a man of culture when he was applying for one of the radio licences. This kind of devastation should not be rewarded; it should be penalised and the persons engaging in it should be subjected to the full rigours of the law and the public humiliation that would ensure.

Another building, No. 7 Bachelors Walk, is a very fine 18th century panelled house, the houses on both sides of which have been allowed to disintegrate. There were mysterious fires. The roofs caved in and the buildings were demolished on foot of a dangerous buildings order. Number 7 is still there but the developers, Arlington Securities, a subsidiary of British Aerospace, refuse, I understand, to maintain a caretaker there. They say it would be too expensive to do so. They assembled that site and and are now going to let one of the last intact panelled buildings on the quays be destroyed. I would like something to be done about that.

A building also close to here, Sweeney's chemist's shop in Lincoln Place, the only circular 18th century building in the city, is currently causing concern because of the fact that the upper windows are being left open. In addition to being a fine 18th century building that is a haunt of Joycean pilgrimage because of Leopold Bloom's purchase of a bar of lemon soap there. I hope that it will not be added to the list of casualties by next Bloomsday. I ask that the Minister take an interest in that one.

There is also a scandalous lack of responsibility by some publicly accountable bodies. I instance the buildings in Parnell Square though I am very grateful that they are being rescued by Dublin Tourism for use as a writers' museum. These buildings were in the possession of the Dublin Vocational Education Committee for many years but they left them open to vandalism. There was no caretaker. Many people in this city warned that they would be vandalised. Fireplaces were taken out, ceilings and staircases disappeared. In other words, all the items of architectural significance in the interior of the building were taken away and sold, a number of them, I understand, in the North of Ireland. Yet, the VEC can hand those premises over to Dublin Tourism to restore them to the position they were in when the VEC began the neglect of them. There is another VEC building in North Great George's Street which is the subject of controversy also. The VEC acquired the Jacobs biscuit factory and it burned down. I should like to see some public accountability not just by An Bord Pleanála but also by bodies which employ public funds and are negligent in their responsibility towards our heritage.

It is very important that we be aware of the importance of our heritage. We spoke this morning about tourism. It is almost a clichè now that cultural tourism is one of our principal assets but if we destroy our heritage rather than cherish it and allow it to be be destroyed in this scandalous manner which Senator Manning gave details of this morning, we are literally killing the goose that laid the golden egg. I noticed, as Senator Manning said, an article in the Irish Times the other day which indicated that Councillor Alexis FitzGerald had placed this item on the order paper. I was struck by the fact that it was passed unanimously and certainly with all party support. There could not be greater endorsement for the necessity for this kind of legislation than the passage of such a resolution through Dublin City Council.

I place on the record my appreciation of a section of the corporation that does not often get a kind word, that is the dangerous buildings section of Dublin Corporation who do fine work in ensuring the citizens of Dublin are not threatened by the collapse of buildings. They have now come around to the notion of cooperating with local groups in alerting us to buildings that are being neglected and getting our co-operation so that our heritage may be protected and, in particular, a number of buildings in North Great George's Street which might have been pulled down. I am glad to say they have been saved with the co-operation of the dangerous buildings section but only in the nick of time and despite the clear deficiencies in the Derelict Sites Bill.

No amount of pious aspirations in the form of placing buildings on a list will preserve a building. It needs the watchfulness of people like Senator Manning, of An Taisce and so on but it also needs strong legislative support. Otherwise we will have these continuing cases of vandalism.

I express my appreciation of the motion put down by Senator Manning. It is something we are trying to address. Judging from the contributions of both Senators, más mall is mithid. Senator Manning's contribution in particular raised many issues of legislation and procedures. The motion relates to the need for the Minister for the Environment to issue guidelines to local authorities to ensure the preservation of listed buildings in order to avoid any further destruction of such buildings. I will address that motion first.

By law, the Minister is precluded from seeking to exercise any power or control over particular planning cases and cannot comment on individual cases. The response I will give, therefore, will deal with the position generally. At the outset, I wish to outline the extensive powers at present enjoyed by local authorities to ensure the preservation of listed buildings. Senator Manning need not doubt that I have sufficient knowledge to respond to this motion. I have been a member of a local authority for 19 years, unfortunately I am now an outgoing member.

The starting point is the development plan which is the charter governing development in an area for the following five years. A planning authority is empowered to include as an objective of that plan the preservation of features of artistic, architectural or historic interest. Where the planning authority consider it appropriate, the interior features and the fixtures of buildings can also be included. These provisions are the basis for the listing system. Where buildings or features are listed in this way their demolition or alteration, which otherwise might be exempt, are brought within the planning control process.

The planning control process is an important force for the preservation of listed buildings included in the development plan. Effectively, any material change of use or demolition requires planning permission. In granting planning permission for development, the planning authority or An Bord Pleanála can attach wideranging conditions requiring the preservation or the restoration of buildings or parts of buildings such as the facades. We have evidence of that all over the country——

Too much.

In this way it is open to the appropriate authorities to require the restoration of damaged buildings as a condition in a wider planning permission for their development or change of use. Any damage caused by a developer, or allowed to happen by him, could prove very costly in the long run.

Under the Planning Acts planning authorities are empowered to contribute, whether in cash or kind, to any persons or bodies concerned with the preservation of listed buildings. Some planning authorities, including Dublin Corporation, have used these powers in the past to establish grant schemes and to support worthy efforts by individuals and groups. Planning authorities also have wide enforcement powers under the Planning Acts. They can prosecute anybody in breach of the Planning Acts, or who acts contrary to the terms of a planning permission. Penalties on conviction are fines of up to £10,000 and/or up to two years in jail.

Any person, including a planning authority, may seek a High Court order and injunction under section 27 of the 1976 Planning Act: to prohibit unauthorised development, including unauthorised demolition or alteration of a listed building; to prohibit the continuance of unauthorised use; and to ensure compliance with the terms of a permission and the conditions attached to it. The High Court is empowered to order a developer to undertake works, or not to do something, or to cease to do something, as appropriate. The courts in the past attached onerous conditions to such injunctions. They have required expensive work to be undertaken by the developer to rectify damage done.

The urban renewal scheme offers another avenue of protection for listed buildings. In addition to the normal incentives available to developers under this scheme, the Finance Act, 1989, made provision for income tax relief in relation to houses in designated areas which are deemed by the Office of Public Works to be scientifically, historically, architecturally or aesthetically significant. These incentives are geared to encouraging not only construction but also reconstruction of buildings in the designated area. I should add that the Derelict Sites Act, 1990, is relevant to the protection and safeguarding of listed buildings. This Act places a new emphasis on the prevention of dereliction. It gives local authorities power to serve notice on owners and occupiers requiring them to take specified steps to prevent their premises from becoming derelict. If the notice is not complied with within the time allowed by the local authority, the local authority itself can carry out the preventive action and recover the cost from the owner or occupier. I am sure Members of the Seanad will agree that this power could be a very useful means of ensuring that owners of listed buildings do not allow the property to fall into a state of disrepair or dereliction.

I would like to explain also that the Derelict Sites Act provides for an annual levy on certain derelict sites in urban areas. This levy, which initially will be charged at the rate of 3 per cent of the property's market value, will come into operation next year. I believe it will be a significant disincentive to dereliction and will strongly encourage owners to keep their property in good order.

The foregoing is an impressive range of powers available to local authorities. I am pleased to say that these powers, properly used, provide a significant degree of protection for listed buildings. As I said earlier, as a member of a local authority I acknowledge the point made by Senator Manning when in his contribution he mentioned a period of 17 months for which a decision was awaited for the particular item he was dealing with. The normal time for dealing with appeals is up to six months at the moment, but we are all well aware of longer, and much longer, periods in certain cases, and one has been quoted.

And a very odd one in this instance.

I acknowledge that. The Minister's priority in the area of planning legislation — and all of us in local authorities will surely welcome this — is to amend the appeals process to ensure the speedy disposal of appeals within a four month timespan. I know the Minister has announced his intentions in this regard. I am sure that Members of this House, members of local authorities and, indeed, everybody associated with planning and development, will be glad to hear that we have a commitment from the Minister on this appeals aspect of planning and development. We had a two month period for the planning application before a decision would be reached, but there was no time limit up to now on appeals. I am glad the Minister is putting that as his priority under planning legislation.

The motion from the Dublin Corporation quoted by Senator Manning has been received by the Minister and is being considered by him. I thank the Members for their contribution and for giving me the opportunity to take part in the debate.

The Seanad adjourned at 1.35 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 3 July 1991.

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