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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 6 May 1992

Vol. 132 No. 8

Adjournment Matter. - Higher Education Grants.

I welcome the Minister to the House and look forward to working with him. I represent the largest, oldest and most widespread organisation in Irish education and I look forward to being available to him and to being helpful and supportive. I have no doubt but that he will bring to his Ministry the energy and commitment he brings to everything he does.

The issue I raise tonight is one where I believe the Minister and every Member of the House will acknowledge the unanswerable logic of the points I raise. The background to the issue is an unemployment figure of almost 300,000. Every survey carried out in Ireland or in Europe has proved that the more qualified a person the more likely they are to gain employment. Employment depends on qualifications, qualifications depend on education and we have lamented time and again the great resource lost to us in the untapped capacity of unemployed people. We have encouraged people to be flexible and ready for training and retraining, to further their education. We have encouraged people to develop their skills and to use their talents to the best advantage of the State. For that reason the Department of Education recently extended eligibility for higher education grants to mature students. Any of us who understand the importance of education will welcome that positive progressive move, which may also make some impact on the unemployment total.

My problem here tonight is that mature students who began courses last year are being excluded from the new higher education grants arrangements coming into effect this year. Students who took themselves off the unemployed list, worked their way into college, are prepared to work their way through college for whatever number of years required, did so on the understanding that they would be included in new grants provisions. They now find that that will not be the case. The net effect of all this is that the State is going to lose money. Those mature students who leave third level will have to go back on the dole and will ultimately cost the State more money than if they were to receive the grants necessary to continue their education. This does not make any sense. It is a bureaucratic mess. At a time when the new Taoiseach is talking about initiatives, flexibility, openness and removing the blocks to employment, this surely cannot be sustained.

We cannot say that we will extend grant eligibility — I am not talking about more money here but eligibility — to students at third level but not to students who already have places. We now effectively say to some students, "I am sorry you began your third level course last year. You came in before the new scheme so you are not eligible to claim or to seek grants this year." Those students will be obliged to go back on the dole which will cost the State more money than if they paid out grants. It is ludicrous, ridiculous, and against the spirit of everything this Taoiseach has been saying.

We need to clear the log jam on this issue. We are talking about people who expected grants eligibility to apply to them this year and who had got verbal reassurances — this is all it was, in all fairness — that grants would be available to them. They now find this is not the case. Failure to extend grants eligibility actively discriminates against those students already in college. First year students, if the restrictions proposed by the Department are carried through, may be forced to leave college because of the cost burden involved. I have met some students for whom this will be the case.

By introducing a grant for mature students, the Department recognise mature students' need for financial assistance. The Department's logic implies, however, that it does not recognise any financial need among those already attending university. These people have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps into university; they are people in whom we can place an investment and who will help this country along. We are saying to them that because they had the initiative, the push, the drive and the energy to get themselves into college last year, that it's tough luck; there will be no grants for them, they should have sat around for another year drawing the dole. This does not make any sense and I do not expect the Minister to try to justify it. I want to hear him say tonight that he is going to resolve this matter.

I am not gilding the story. Grants exist for mature students. There are mature students in the colleges. The application of this new provision means that people who have fought their way into college, gained acceptance, paid their way expecting to get a grant next year, are not going to get it. Employment depends on qualification which depends on education. We have people with initiative and drive who are now going to be penalised for not waiting another year. I do not believe that the Minister wants to do that. I know his views well enough on employment matters. He was actively involved in trade union and in other activities.

None of us can go along with this and I hope the Minister will not disappoint me by trying to justify it. Whatever is in the script, I want to hear that the Minister will take this matter and try to resolve it whatever its difficulties.

There is also a human story here. People have raised their expectations, have found dignity and planned a future on the basis of beginning their university courses. Let us not let them down. These are the people who hold the future of this country; we need them to create employment. These people have taken themselves off the dole queues. Let us give them the support they require.

I thank the Senator for his earlier kind remarks and for raising this matter because it affords me an opportunity to clarify the position at present in relation to the package of major reforms in the higher education grants and related student support schemes recently approved by the Government. In particular I want to clarify the situation in relation to mature students and how they will benefit from the improvements in the grants scheme.

I should state at the outset in relation to access to third level education for mature students that the broad statement of education policy in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress identified the facilitating of mature students within the education system and upgrading their education or training levels as a key objective. The commitment to facilitating access to third level education for these students is also emphasised in the introduction to the Green Paper which is of particular interest to the Senator.

Following on proposals contained in both the Programme for Economic and Social Progress and in the Joint Programme for Government the higher education grants scheme was re-examined in a number of key areas and the Government sanctioned a range of improvements. Those improvements will take effect in the schemes for 1992 and subsequent years.

The principal improvements are the income eligibility ceiling for families will be increased by £2,000 for each child after the first child attending third level education. Income eligibility will be assessed on current incomes and income limits in the year of entry into third level rather than as heretofore on the income limits in the year in which the student sat the leaving certificate. Mature students who secure a place in the third level institution will automatically be considered to meet the academic requirements for the awarding of grants. Mature students may be assessed on the basis of their own incomes and if married on spouses' incomes, rather than on their parents' income which has been the case up to now.

Welfare payments under the lone parent's allowance scheme will be excluded from the assessment of income for grant eligibility. Income limits and maintenance grants will be index linked in 1992. A working group has been set up in my Department to review the criteria for eligibility for third level student grants with a view to achieving greater equity and transparency. To give effect to a number of the improvements I have outlined minor legislative amendments required to the Local Authorities Higher Education Grants Acts, 1968 and 1978, and the necessary changes have now been put in train.

The local authorities are the bodies statutorily entrusted with the administration of the higher education grants scheme. My Department prepare and issue a specimen scheme each year for the guidance of local authorities. In effect, each local authority makes a new scheme for each year. The specimen scheme for 1992 which will include the precise details of the improvements I have outlined is in the course of preparation in my Department at present and will be circulated to the local authorities as soon as possible. As I have already stated, the recently announced improvements will take effect in the higher education grants scheme for 1992 and subsequent years. This means that mature students who will be new entrants to third level education in 1992 and subsequent years, subject to the other conditions of the scheme, will be regarded as satisfying the academic requirements for grants and will be assessed on the basis of their own and if married their spouse's incomes.

The position in relation to mature students already in third level education is that under the existing higher education grants scheme they must satisfy the same eligibility requirements as all other students in relation to residence, attainment in the leaving certificate examination and reckonable income. These include obtaining two grade Cs in higher level papers at the leaving certificate examination and their parents' income coming within the income limits prescribed in the scheme.

Having regard to the constraints on Exchequer resources, it has only been possible in years when there has been an improvement in the terms of the higher education grants scheme to introduce and fund the improvement with effect from the year in question. This has always been the position since the scheme was first introduced in 1968. When it was decided in 1990 to reduce the four Cs in higher level paper requirements to two Cs in higher level papers that improvement applied only in respect of the scheme for 1990 and subsequent years. If we were now to move away from that well established procedure and extend the improvements in relation to mature students in order to cover mature students already in college, there would be justifiable claims to have the other improvements being introduced in the 1992 scheme extended to cover those other students already in college. The sad fact is that we simply cannot afford such a move at present.

It will cost us more if we do not. That is the reality of it. We are going to lose money and resources. I will follow this up.

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