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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 28 Apr 1994

Vol. 140 No. 4

Order of Business.

It is proposed to take Item 1 without debate and to proceed to Item 2, the Local Government Bill, 1994. It is not an ideal situation to have legislation transfer from one House directly to the Seanad; however, it was well indicated that the House would deal with this Bill this week.

With the agreement of the House, I hope that Second Stage of the Bill will be taken today and that only Parts I, II and III of the Bill will be taken on Committee Stage. If that is agreed, it is proposed to have a sos between 1 p.m. and 2 p.m. and between Second Stage and Committee Stage. I suggest 20 minutes per spokesperson and 15 minutes thereafter on Second Stage. It is hoped to conclude by 8 p.m. and to take the Adjournment Matter at the end of business today.

This Bill was passed in the Dáil at 7 p.m. yesterday. To expect it to be passed by this House in under two days is not a satisfactory situation, especially if it is as important as this Bill is. I realise that in this case there were special circumstances; but the situation is not satisfactory, although we do agree to it.

It is also unsatisfactory that our spokesperson and a number of other Members have still not received copies of the Bill as it was not in the post this morning. This is placing some people at a disadvantage. However, I accept the comments of the Leader of the House that this is not standard practice, nor, in fairness to him, has it been.

This may appear to be over-repetitive, but eight terrorist attacks have taken place in Northern Ireland over three or four days, which resulted in seven or eight deaths. These random, pointless, barbaric, tit for tat killings must bring enormous sadness to the hearts of people on all sides of the House. All sides in Northern Ireland find themselves in a position of helplessness with regard to finding an end to the violence and bringing about meaningful political progress. What we in this House can do is very limited, but I appeal to the Leader to seek to make time available in the near future for a full debate on Northern Ireland. There is a now a realisation that there has been no response to the generous impulses behind the Downing Street Declaration and that there is little hope of any real progress. All of us would like to apply our minds to seeing if we could offer some help to both Governments in finding a way forward.

I ask the Leader to consider arranging a debate in the near future on the number of homeowners who are having difficulty repaying their mortgages. It is important that we have such a debate. A much publicised case at the moment involves Twink, about whose home discussions are taking place——

We are not dealing with Twink.

Senator Enright is showing marvellous taste.

She is a highly talented young lady.

This is not relevant to either Item 1 or the Local Government Bill, 1994. The Senator should make a general point.

I am anxious to protect animals, but I am equally anxious to protect people who fall into arrears. Once homeowners fall into arrears on their mortgages, they face penalty clauses regarding interest. On many occasions building societies who speak a great deal about wanting to discuss matters with homeowners, go ahead with proceedings and cause many problems for families. In Dublin and throughout the country a sizeable number of people are losing their homes on a regular basis. This is worthy of discussion.

As a member of the British-Irish Inter-Parliamentary Body, I was privileged yesterday to hear the Taoiseach give a wide-ranging and comprehensive statement. It was apropos what Senator Manning has said. I was probably the only Member to have that privilege. The Taoiseach referred to the issue raised by Senator Manning, that is, the campaign of naked sectarian assassination. The only certainty we have, based on the current pattern, is that by the time we meet tomorrow two, three or four more people will be murdered — like the newsagent who was murdered at five or six o'clock this morning — simply because they are Catholics.

Some Members of the House are in South Africa helping to form the basis for democracy there and others are trying to make a contribution in Yugoslavia. In the same spirit we can make a contribution by making our British colleagues aware of the fact that what is happening in their jurisdiction is worse than what is occuring in some of the places to which Members are going to provide help. The Leader and all of us are anxious to act responsibly on this issue. The Taoiseach's statement yesterday was appreciated by all as being wide-ranging and comprehensive. Our British colleagues do not seem to have a sharp awareness of the responsibility required of them in their jurisdiction. I hope that by the time we meet tomorrow two or three more people will not have been murdered simply because they were Catholics and lived on the perimeters of Catholic areas. This is intolerable at any time in any place. I hope we can have this debate as soon as possible.

Could the Leader inquire of the Government the measures it proposes to take to avert the threatened rail strike, which will affect many people, including Members who regularly commute on trains?

A motion will be put to the House providing for the Earlier Signature of the Local Government Bill, 1994. I appreciate the co-operation of Members on the other side.

This House must condemn what is happening in Northern Ireland. We and those we represent must extend hope to people there. I hope we have an opportunity to have an extensive debate on this issue and I am working behind the scenes for this to happen soon.

With regard to home owners, I will not refer to any personalities. On a day to day basis all of us deal with people in this position. Senators may be right in saying we should discuss how building societies deal with situations which affect many people.

Yesterday Senator Honan asked about the programme recently produced by the Department of Health, Shaping a heal-their future — A strategy for effective health care in the 1990s. We will discuss it in the next few weeks.

Order of Business agreed to.
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