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Seanad Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 4 Nov 1997

Vol. 152 No. 9

Interpretation (Amendment) Bill, 1997: Committee and Remaining Stages.

SECTION 1.

I move amendment No. 1:

In page 3, subsection (2), line 25, after "offence" where it secondly occurs, to insert "alleged to have been".

I thank the Minister for his attention to this matter. I listened carefully to the debate in the Dáil this afternoon. My concerns in relation to this matter stand and I wish to proceed with the amendment. The Minister said that the amendment as drafted could be taken to read "any such offence or any other alleged offence". The proposal here is to insert the term "alleged to have been" after the word "offence" and before the word "committed". That may sound pedantic but there is a genuine purpose for it. I fear that, without this amendment, a similar challenge to that made to the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act could successfully be made in the courts.

Through this Bill we are attempting to outline the conditions under which proceedings can be issued regarding common law offences where such offences have been changed or abolished by statute law. This amendment relates to the conditions under which proceedings can be issued. It is our intention, in putting this legislation through the Oireachtas, to ensure that where such an offence was committed before a change in the law occurred it should be possible to institute, continue with or enforce proceedings under common law. We are all agreed on that. However, I am concerned that section 1, as worded, would seem to require proof that the offence was committed prior to the date of the abolition of the common law offences and that such proof would be required before proceedings could be instituted in the first instance. It would not require somebody very learned in law to argue to the court in a defence case that as it was not possible to establish that the offence took place prior to the issuing of proceedings, proceedings could not be issued. We should seek to ensure that we are not back here in six months following another court case trying to tidy up this matter. I accept that the Minister has received advice from the draftsman but I believe the advice is based on a construction of this amendment as referring to an "alleged offence" rather than an "offence alleged to have been committed".

It is a difficulty that, in order to successfully take proceedings, it would be required that the date of commission be established before the proceedings are instituted in the first place. For that reason, I ask the Minister to seriously consider accepting my amendment.

As I indicated earlier, this amendment must be opposed. I consulted the draftsman about the amendment and he feels that it would not be in accordance with normal drafting practices to insert the words "alleged to have been" before the word "committed" in line 25.

The Senator might as well have suggested, for example, that the word "alleged" should be inserted before the word "offence" in line 25. Legislation commonly mentions proceedings in respect of an offence, not proceedings in respect of an alleged offence. For example, section 21 of the Interpretation Act, 1937, which was closely followed in framing section 1, states in the equivalent provision to subsection (2) "Any legal proceedings in respect of any offence against the statute repealed may be instituted.". In other words, it does not say "any alleged offence" or "any offence alleged to be against the statute". I am satisfied that the amendment should not be accepted because it would not be in accordance with good drafting practice.

In relation to dates, there should be no difficulty in establishing that an offence was committed before a certain date. Indictments normally charge the offence as having been committed on a specific date. This legislation applies to common law offences which were committed prior to the coming into operation of the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act, 1997. To say that the legislation should only refer to an offence alleged to have been committed is to say that it should refer to an offence which was committed and to an offence which was not committed. I respectfully suggest that this makes no logical sense. The legislation is intended to apply to offences which were committed. Let it be said, that, with the best will in the world, the legislation could not conceivably apply to offences which were never committed.

This is the reason I am advancing the argument that the amendment should not be accepted. I cannot explain it further but I hope this assists Senator Gallagher in coming to the conclusion that well enough may be best left alone in this instance.

Having listened to similar points made by the Minister this afternoon, I sought further advice, as he did, on this. I accept that the Minister's contribution on this and the advice of the draftsman are made in good faith but I am sure that the draftsman or some lawyers who were advising the last Government advised that the Bill, as drafted, was proper and in order from a legal point of view also. There are good grounds for us to be very careful here in ensuring that a defending lawyer in a similar case in the next few months should not be able to find the type of loophole which I believe exists and which I have tried to address by tabling this amendment. Having given this issue attention in emergency session, I hope another criminal does not go free because we did not get it right.

I proposed an amendment to the recent Act dealing with the referendum on Cabinet confidentiality; that legislation was not taken by this Minister but the terms of my amendment were favourably received by all sides of the House and the Taoiseach said they had merit. Had they been accepted and included it would have been far easier to allay the concerns of those who voted against the referendum last week. If this amendment is not accepted we will have to return in a couple of months to undo the damage. I wish to press the amendment.

Amendment put and declared lost.
Section 1 agreed to.
Section 2 agreed to.
Title agreed to.
Bill reported without amendment, received for final consideration and passed.
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