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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 5 Nov 1997

Vol. 152 No. 10

Adjournment Matters. - Carton House, County Kildare.

I am happy that the Minister has agreed to take this matter. He will be aware of some of the material contained in my brief because the Irish Georgian Society has been in touch with him. I hope he will show his usual forbearance if I repeat some of this material, but I will provide him with an opportunity to reply in public.

I speak with particular passion about Carton House. It is appropriate that we should be especially sensitive to it as we approach the bicentenary of 1798 because it was the home of Lord Edward Fitzgerald and the State has made no real provision for marking the 200th anniversary of the death of that great patriot. It would be appropriate that the State should take a particularly sensitive view of this matter in the light of that particular piece of political and historical, as well as architectural, heritage.

It is important that Carton House be seen in its context. Architecturally, it is the most significant house in this country. There is no question or doubt about that. It survives uniquely with its demesne intact. There is an 18th century parkland deliberately landscaped with water courses and diverted rivers, all part of the coherent, artistic and ascetic composition. The State should be extremely reluctant to upset this particular form of ascetic balance which exists uniquely in Carton House.

One should bear in mind what has happened at Marino with the casino, which is another of Europe's great architectural gems. It is an almost perfect architectural jewel, but a jewel shines best in its correct setting and at Marino we have the unpleasant intrusion of irrelevant housing which need not have been put there.

Kenure Park, Rush, County Dublin, the home of the late Colonel Frederick Palmer, one of the most stunning houses in Ireland, has been completely demolished. All that is left is the portico facade, which is dangerous and may be demolished.

Carton House is unique. It should not be just left to commercial exploitation by any international group in the interests of attracting niche market tourism. I know the Minister's brief is tourism and of course this is what he must concentrate on. He is a man of talent and energy. I know of the wonderful work that people in Bord Fáilte, such as Mr. Matt McNulty, have done in rescuing the Dublin Writers' Museum, Parnell Square, Dublin, and Newbridge House, Donabate, County Dublin. That is the kind of thing we must envisage for Carton House because it extends beyond tourism — I should not be dismissive of tourism — into the area of architectural and cultural heritage. If we spoil Carton House, we are less likely to attract tourists. We must think in terms of a long-term product, not just a short term gain to the Sheraton Hotel Group, which I understand is subject to a takeover bid in the US — the future plans may, in fact, be all up in the air.

It would be regrettable if we were to collaborate in the acquiring of £6 million of EU funding which would be used by a commercial operation to significantly damage the environment. I am afraid that this is what might happen because the plans for Carton House are unpleasantly familiar. It is a little like what happened in Castletown House, that other great house which was rescued by the Honourable Desmond Guinness and his wife, Riga, 30 or 35 years ago. Before they were able to save the whole place, parcels of land had been sold off and there is now this quite anomalous housing development all the way up the avenue. The permission was granted in 1992 by Kildare County Council after some degree of wrangling. We have moved on since then. Governments have moved on. They are much more sensitive now. I do not believe planning would have been granted now, but the permission which exists is for nine new crossings over the Rye Water and the serpentine sheet of water interrupting this carefully constructed landscape, 29 conference units which could be converted into houses, 119 golf villas — I ask the House to imagine how they would fit in to the composition of an 18th century great house and demesne — 40 demesne residences, 48 staff accommodation units, three golf courses and a 201 bedroom hotel stuck onto the main house — what is that going to do for the compositional balance of that house? This is all in the light of a report which was undertaken on the royal golf club at St. Andrew's in Britain which is for rich people, but the market has changed since then, particularly in Ireland which is a more democratic country. What the public seem to want is pay-as-you-play golf and we should not spoil our heritage just for the rich niche market. There are to be maintenance buildings, an indoor riding school, equestrian centre and car park, conference and executive facilities and a country club. The permission was given on the old grounds that jobs would be created and secured in the tourism industry but what is the point in destroying one amenity in order to create another?

The strongly held view of the Irish Georgian Society and the Honourable Desmond Guinness, who advised me, is that this money should be secured and used by the State to acquire Carton House as a heritage item for the State rather than for this commercial exploitation which will destroy it.

I remember visiting the city of Jerash, Jordan, which does not have all these facilities. They have carefully controlled, maintained and preserved the great Roman city of Jerash, not because they like it or have any feeling of sympathy for this particular form of architecture or culture but because they know that, preserved in its purity, it will bring tourists to that country. If Carton House is left more or less as it is and develops sensitively, it is capable of bringing tourists to this country.

Carton Demesne has been recognised by the International Council of Monuments and Sites, or ICOMOS. The current development will essentially alter the demesne landscape and irreversibly change the house and its heritage value. Since the original permission was granted by An Bord Pleanála the appreciation of the value of our built heritage has greatly changed. Previous Governments have proposed and participated in numerous activities relating to the protection and preservation of our built heritage, ranging from participation in conferences like "The Future of the Country House" to the production of important documents like the series of conservation guidelines produced by the Department of the Environment and Local Government, and two recent reports on "Developing a Government Policy on Architecture" and "Strengthening the Protection of the Architectural Heritage".

The greatest fear of those concerned with this area is the possible inability of the local authority adequately to monitor and police those requirements sewn into the planning permission and to secure compliance with the conditions attached to the granting of permission by An Bord Pleanála. One only has to look at similar developments such as Powerscourt, County Wicklow, where compliance with the original permission was not adhered to. The Georgian Society has expressed its concern about a number of the conditions attached to An Bord Pleanála's decision. The validity of section 38 agreements, mentioned in the fourth condition, has not been adequately legally tried, therefore the validity of securing their stated objective is unsure.

The sixth condition relates to the phasing of the development but in other cases it is clear there have been breaches of phasing plans. Many local authorities are unwilling to enforce conditions attached to planning permission, either due to the lack of adequate staffing or finances within the authority to ensure proper policing of planning permissions or from the fear of possible legal action due to the lack of either legal precedent or clarity in the existing legislation. The 11th condition of An Bord Pleanála's decision requires the submission of a construction procedures plan.

The Georgian Society has communicated its concern that the local authority may not have sufficient suitably qualified personnel adequately to assess the important nature of the proposed conservation works due to the scale of the development, which would probably require a full-time effort to ensure that the works would be carried out correctly and in accordance with the permission. Would it not be better to recommend that this plan be submitted either to the conservation advisory panel of the Department of the Environment and Local Government, the Heritage Council, or the heritage service of the Department of Arts, Heritage, Gaeltacht and the Islands? The society is aware that a cost benefit analysis for the proposed development has been requested but it is extremely sceptical about this.

The Minister has been to Carton House and I am sure he will agree it is remarkable. It is regarded as the most important of such houses on this island and this importance relies not just on its unique architectural beauty but on its setting. If a large modern Sheraton hotel is jammed onto one part of the house and several hundred golf chalets and nine bridges are built, the demesne will look like a Monopoly board. We will have destroyed the aesthetic integrity of the house and this cannot subsequently be recovered. What I am suggesting may be awkward for the Minister but we should be careful before doing irreparable damage. We should take the courageous step of bringing this wonderful house into public ownership on behalf of the people, making it available to them in consultation with the architectural archive, the Georgian Society and An Taisce, so that generations of Irish people may continue to enjoy its beauty. Bearing in mind that we are close to the bicentenary of the death of Lord Edward Fitzgerald, does the Minister not agree that this would be a fitting memorial to that remarkable patriot?

I thank Senator Norris for giving me the opportunity to address this historic House for the first time and for enabling me to reply to this Adjournment. I am fully aware of the Senator's deep interest in our architectural heritage and I trust that the explanation I give will be satisfactory. I doubt it will meet all his concerns but we will have to agree to disagree.

The matter refers to an application for EU assistance under the Operational Programme for Tourism, 1994 to 1999, towards the development cost of a major tourism project at Carton, Maynooth. The programme, which was agreed between the Irish Government and the European Commission in 1993, specifically identifies the small scale of many of our tourism enterprises and the relative absence from Ireland of the more prominent international players in the industry. Accordingly it provides for EU assistance towards the development of a limited number of larger scale national projects. The intention is that such projects will serve to add a new product dimension to the Irish tourism sector while remaining consistent with the nature and character of the Irish tourism product. They are also expected to be capable of generating extra tourism business for Ireland by virtue of their presence here, as well as contributing to the further extension of our tourism season.

Decisions on grant applications under the programme are made by autonomous management boards which include not only the State sector but also independent professionals. For projects such as that proposed for Carton, costing in excess of 15 million ECUs, the agreement of the Government and the European Commission is also required on foot of a cost/benefit analysis conducted in accordance with Community law. The application is currently going through this process and the Government has recently decided to forward the management board's decision on the application to the European Commission for its agreement to proceed. The matter is being considered at present in Brussels.

The Carton House development involves the provision of an international destination resort at the Carton Demesne, County Kildare. Its overall aim is to create Ireland's foremost luxury resort with global recognition. The Carton House project will be owned, developed and operated by Carton Sheraton Limited, an Irish company 75 per cent owned by ITT Sheraton. The estimated total cost of the project is £52 million. It is expected to generate more than 300 direct jobs, over 150 indirect jobs and some 1,220 man years spent on construction.

As the Senator said, when completed Carton House will be the 50th resort contained in the ITT Sheraton luxury collection and will involve the following developments: a five star 140 bed hotel, including 12 suites; 76 residential conference lodges in 13 units; conference and executive meeting facilities; a Gleneagles golf and country club comprising two 18 hole championship golf courses and a spa leisure centre; a boathouse adapted as a bar facility and shell cottage used as a bar/dining facility; a car park and a new entrance on Dunboyne Road. Most importantly, the project will result in an extension of public access to the historic building at the demesne beyond what has been traditionally available.

Full planning permission for the development has been granted following the completion of a comprehensive environmental impact assessment. The project will ensure the restoration of the existing Carton House to produce world class facilities while preserving the culture and heritage of the demesne. It will provide for maintenance of the historic landscape, formal vistas and visual interrelationships which contribute to the character of the demesne, and of the profile of the existing woodlands.

The design concept embodies a number of principles to ensure that new developments are in sympathy with the planning principles and architectural expressions of the existing house. These principles will also ensure that the development is accommodated in such a manner as to maintain the visual primacy and the dominance of the house, its relationship with its associated outbuildings and park land and to deflect the pressures of the new development away from sensitive interiors. Internally, sensitive or vulnerable visual elements or interiors of architectural significance are to be protected as a design priority.

The key point to be borne in mind in relation to the heritage preservation aspects of this project is that the proposal to provide European Regional Development Fund grant assistance does not override the original stringent planning permission requirement. I passed on specific concerns expressed to me by the Irish Georgian Society and An Taisce about underlining the importance of the heritage dimension of this project to the director general of Bord Fáilte, who was directly involved in the assessment of this project. He subsequently informed me that he would be glad to meet with concerned groups and take them through these aspects of the project and the steps being taken to address them. Furthermore, although the granting of that permission is a matter for the relevant planning authorities, the independent management board for product development in Bord Fáilte in assessing this project retained independent architectural advice in relation to the heritage dimension.

The question of State acquisition of Carton House and the demesne was considered in the mid-1980s but was ruled out on the grounds of the major Exchequer funding which would be required to acquire, refurbish and maintain the house and the estate in the absence of a definable use for it. To paraphrase Tennyson, author of the other Ulysses, the proposed development will ensure that Carton House is not ".left to rust unburnished, but to shine in its use". Cynics might say that the Duke of Leinster's country house, Carton House, has been put to better use than his town house.

If I was remiss in welcoming the Minister to the House I do so now. I am glad to see him here. I wish the Hilton Hotel in Dublin had gone ahead rather than the Sheraton hotel at Carton House. I am concerned when I hear phrases such as "in sympathy with the architectural fabric". I have heard it so many times and it is almost always rubbish. It invariably means something which clashes with what exists already. The Minister indicated that the director general of Bord Fáilte will meet with concerned groups and ". take them through . the steps taken ." but that does not sound like listening to them. Perhaps the Minister would consider, with the director general of Bord Fáilte, meeting with the groups to see if an accommodation can be reached. It would be most desirable if we can collaborate on this.

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