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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 3 Jun 1998

Vol. 155 No. 17

De Valois Centre.

This is an important matter, a request for assistance by the De Valois Centre for Dance and the Performing Arts. I am sure the Minister knows that Dame Ninette de Valois is a most distinguished Irishwoman from Baltyboys House in Blessington. She is one of the great figures of twentieth century dance, along with some other Irish people like the late Anton Dolin. I saw her on television not so long ago. She will be 100 years old this month, so this is the month to do something for her. She was wonderfully interesting, but scathing about the Irish. She said "We tried. I did as much as I could to encourage dance"— she spoke about Joan Denise Moriarty in Cork —"but I am not bothered with them anymore because they will not do anything for us. They do not care. They are wasting the talent." This is the problem. We have shown in the past that in this important cultural area we have wasted the talent. It reminds me a little of the food industry. We always knew in this country that we had the most wonderful raw material but we did not seem to have the skill to develop it. Thanks to institutions such as Cathal Brugha Street we are now able to do something about this. It is the same with dancing. We have a natural talent for dance as was shown in "River Dance" and so on.

The De Valois Centre has a board which includes distinguished people such as Alan Stanford, actor and theatre director; Joanna Banks, a professional dancer and teacher; Michael Conaghan, alderman of this city; Bernard Ryan, a quantity surveyor and Maeve Clegg, a company secretary. They moved from Digges Lane in 1995 to a warehouse factory building in the market area of Mary's Abbey, which is a very historic area of Dublin. The one time warehouse has been transformed into De Valois House with fully equipped studios and office space. I have been there on a tour and it is absolutely marvellous. It is charged with excitement, energy and interest, but like many old buildings — I remember because I was the first person into Temple Bar to develop an old loft — one of the principal problems is that of fire escapes. They must provide a fire escape in order to receive proper recognition and be safe to continue their work. They have a phased budget. Phase 1 can be completed for £57,200 and phase 2 for £177,200. These are not enormous sums of money, particularly when put in context. When Michael D. Higgins became Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht his budget was £10 million. By the time he left office it was £21 million and it is now £26 million. There is some leverage here. If one looks at the glorious story of the Wexford Opera, which started off in similar circumstances, and the way in which it has grown and blossomed, something should be done for dance.

Dance was never mentioned in the various Bills that passed through this House and the Lower House. Now, at least, we have a dance officer in the Arts Council. But what is the point in having a dance officer if there are no facilities through which dance can be taught, particularly with an important group such as this? They applied for grants from the Arts Council and were turned down. There was a further meeting and they were given a grant retrospectively and unconditionally of £10,000. Then the Arts Council tried to make it conditional on the board stating that at the time the board were fully satisfied with the fire precautions. Of course, they could not do that. It seemed like a Catch 22 rule to prevent the grant being given. In other words, they were saying "We know you are in dire straits financially, but if you do £200,000's worth of work we will give you £10,000." That is not a businesslike proposition. When one considers that the centre received no proper funding, the matter must be seen in that perspective.

It is also worth pointing out that they have a good relationship with their landlord. He is happy to have them there and he has promised them a long-term lease under favourable cheap conditions in order to encourage them. If a private landlord can do that, surely the State can match such vision and providence?

I do not have time to list the many activities which take place there. The following hold rehearsals there: Cois Céim, Irish Modern Dance Theatre, independent choreographer Ms Liz Roche, Diana Richardson's up and coming tap company, Tapestry and large and small theatre companies, such as the Gate, Olympia, Druid, Bickerstaffe, Gaiety, Barabbas — the company, Royal Court Theatre and Second Age. The Professional Dancers Association starts its classes in the morning in the De Valois studio and the College of Dance holds its classes upstairs. Six days a week the Russian Ballet Centre is with them. The weekends are no less hectic with the Dublin Theatre Arts School booked in for the full year each Saturday. Evening classes of flamenco, ballet, tap, jazz, belly dancing, salsa, African and contemporary dance and drama are also available.

There is a tremendous bond with the local community. It has continued its association with the Catholic Youth Council based on Arran Quay which holds its evening dance classes there with promising young dancer, Mr. Kevin Murphy, as tutor. The De Valois Centre for Dance and the Performing Arts also has facilities for full-time professional training at the highest level. The college's two year foundation course provides training for students wishing to pursue careers as professional dancers. Students are accepted by audition only and undergo comprehensive training in classical ballet, contemporary dance, jazz, tap, anatomy and vocal studies. Ms Joanna Banks, a distinguished woman whom I have had the pleasure of meeting, is the principal of the college. To foster true talent, scholarship places are possible for students unable to meet the fees or obtain funding. Dance training is not funded by the Department of Education and Science.

The aims and objectives are to provide and maintain a centre for dance and the performing arts in a fully equipped and permanent premises, supported by experienced professional staff; the centre is to cater for the immediate needs of professional dance and theatre companies and community groups; to make the performing arts in all forms truly accessible to all; to foster theatre and dance and encourage interest and participation by the community with the provision of affordable quality facilities and resources in a convenient location; to make available quality facilities to groups working with small budgets that otherwise would not be in a position to afford quality rehearsal space; to continue to provide an amenity to the local area and community and to foster training of excellence in Ireland for the professional performers of the future.

The centre wants funding because there is such a huge demand for studio space and the situation has greatly worsened with the demolition of Digges Lane and the Multi Media Centre. It must make the premises safe in its own interests as well as the interests of everyone else. It is in the heart of the harp project and provides an enhancement for the entire area. It has security of tenure and a benevolent landlord. The premises has a wonderful Bohemian quality which one gets in the lofts of New York and around Temple Bar. The activities bring life into that part of the city. Many people who go there would not have any other reason for so doing. We should do our best to value this wonderful work.

The total number of courses is 27 and studio hours per week are 132 hours and 25 minutes. Some 25 people are sustained by the centre with this as their main income, while it is a source of additional income for 73 others. The number of students is 663. This is a considerable venture which has existed without central funding. I hope the Minister will be able to indicate that some degree of funding will be made available or that the centre is pointed in the right direction so it can get funding.

I am sure the Minister would agree that it would be a tragedy if the talent of the raw material of wonderful young people and their innate capacity to dance was extinguished for the want of a mere few thousand pounds when we have an expanding economy and more money in the arts than ever before. I recognise that the great institutions, such as the Abbey Theatre, Gate Theatre and the Dublin Grand Opera Society, get massive funding, but there should be some crumbs from the table of the feast of arts to give a small amount to such a wonderful group. In the centenary year of one of our most distinguished citizens, it would be a fitting tribute if we were able to indicate that there would be some movement in this area.

Ba mhaith liom buíochas a ghlacadh leis an Seanadóir as ucht an cheist seo a thógáil. Ba mhaith liom freisin an deis seo a ghlacadh le chomhghairdeas a dhéanamh le Dame de Valois as ucht 100 bliain a shlánú. Go maire sí a nuacht.

This motion refers to the De Valois Centre for Dance and the Performing Arts, named after the world renowned Irish born ballerina, Dame Ninette de Valois. Dame de Valois will celebrate her 100th birthday on 6 June and I would like to avail of this public occasion to extend the warmest congratulations on behalf of the Government and the people on this special event.

From her debut as a principal dancer in 1914 until her retirement in 1961, Dame de Valois travelled the world performing in many of its great theatres. In the early part of her career she worked with some of the great figures of 20th century culture, people like herself who had a vision and transformed the arts completely in a period of the most extraordinary creativity and innovation.

The Senator will be aware that the body charged with the promotion and funding of the arts in this country is An Chomhairle Ealaíon or the Arts Council. My role and that of my Department is the formulation of policy and the provision of funding through the cultural development incentives scheme for the development of capital arts and culture projects throughout the country. The CDIS, or cultural development incentives scheme, which is financed through a combination of Exchequer and Structural Funding under the Operational Programme for Tourism 1994-99, was designed to assist the four main categories of the visual and performing arts — arts centres, museums, theatres and galleries.

No application has ever been submitted to my Department for funding in respect of the De Valois Centre for Dance and the Performing Arts under the cultural development incentives scheme. If the centre's management is considering submitting an application at this stage, I will not be in a position to give it consideration for some time as funding, which was available under the CDIS, has been fully allocated to a total of 39 projects around the country. I will be seeking to secure further funding for the development of additional capital arts and cultural projects in the period post-1999, but the level of funding that will be available to me for such projects will not be known for some time.

As I said earlier, the Arts Council is the body charged with the promotion and funding of the arts. I am sure the Senator understands that the Arts Council is independent of the Department in terms of its day to day operation. I understand that the council provided funding in 1996 to allow the De Valois Centre for Dance and the Performing Arts to secure a portable floor, mirrors and other material, such as sound equipment, to allow it to begin operating in its current premises. The Arts Council is autonomous of my Department but I suggest that, if the centre requires funding for a specific project at this stage, an application should be made to the council which can be adjudicated on by the council in the normal way.

I have been advised by the Arts Council that it decided at its March meeting to allocate a sum of £1 million over a period of five years for the development of a state of the art dance building in Dublin. I understand that discussions are ongoing with Dublin Corporation about a site and a funding package to enable this project to become a reality in, I hope, 2001. Given the Senator's interest in the area of dance, I know this is a project he will welcome and support.

Ba mhaith liom buíochas a ghlacadh leis an Seanadóir as ucht an cheist seo a thógáil. Tá spéis faoi leith ag an Aire, an Teachta de Valera, i gceist an damhsa mar atá tógtha ag an Seanadóir agus is féidir leis bheith cinnte go mbeidh tacaíocht go ginearálta le fáil le haghaidh damhsa an fad a mbeidh sí ina hAire.

Ba mhaith liom cúpla focal a rá. I am grateful to the Minister, particularly for his wonderful introduction about Dame Ninette de Valois, but I am bitterly disappointed we did not get anything. I am aware of the funding for the dance centre by 2001 but that is three years away. The life of a dancer is terribly short and, in the meantime, there will be nothing. I am also aware of the Arts Council. I dealt with some of the people involved in it because I was involved in Temple Bar long before any of them heard of it. They made similar mistakes in Temple Bar where, instead of growing organically the good things which were there in the arts, they insisted on their own grandiose schemes. I know the Arts Council is independent but I hope a copy of this debate will be sent to it and that a word will be dropped in the right place. We cannot celebrate the centenary of Dame Ninette de Valois simply with rhetoric, however wonderful and justified, and allow this marvellous artistic endeavour to stifle on the basis of the old proverb which the Minister and I know well, live horse and you will get grass.

Mair, a chapaill, agus gheobhar féar.

The Seanad adjourned at 8.35 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 4 June 1998.

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