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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 3 Feb 2000

Vol. 162 No. 4

Adjournment Matters. - Hospital Services.

I thank the Cathaoirleach for allowing me to raise this matter and I welcome back the Minister of State who was in the House yesterday. I raise this matter to get the Minister of State to outline the reason acute hospitals are penalised for keeping patients for too long without due regard to the medical need of the patients whose interests should be the priority consideration. This has come to light in recent weeks where about ten hospitals have been fined almost £2 million for apparent delays in discharging patients. There is a worrying trend that patients may not be given priority consideration and that hospital administration will take precedence to the point where doctors will be concerned that patients are staying too long.

All of us have been or have had relatives who have been in hospital. Doctors will usually say that one will be discharged within a few days, a week or whatever. However, various factors can delay that, such as the patient not responding quickly, their contracting an infection or the doctor being very busy in theatre and not being able to discharge the patient until the next day. There are various average lengths of stay in hospital for various medical procedures. For pneumonia, the average stay is 15 days, for angina it is seven days, for cataracts it is three days, for hip replacements it is 17 days, for a coronary bypass it is 15 days and for a hysterectomy it is five days. Obviously no two cases are alike so it is important that the signal be sent out that decisions on the length of stay and when a person will be discharged will be made on medical grounds and not on the basis of financial considerations.

I accept that hospitals must be run on an economic basis and that, for administrative purposes, it is important that a bed be cleared after a week or ten days. However, a patient's health must be the priority and doctors must make decisions on medical rather than economic grounds. The health, care and welfare of the patient must always come first. I accept the medical service is sometimes top heavy with administration and that there is room for improvement in the running and operation of health boards and hospitals and the administration of procedures. Part of the problem is that a patient may go to convalesce in a nursing home for post-operative care and a bed in such places may not always be immediately available. That is an area which should be examined.

I hope the Minister of State can reassure us that primary consideration will be given to the health and welfare of patients, that it will the number one priority and that doctors, in consultation with nurses, will make the decision whether it is prudent to discharge the patient or to move them to another place. We are all aware of the chronic situation surrounding the admission people to nursing homes, the operation of the homes and the manner in which beds become available in them. I hope it is not the case that the Department is seeking to penalise hospitals because patients' care and welfare have been put first.

A case in Drogheda attracted a great deal of attention and Professor Jimmy Sheehan, one of the leading orthopaedic surgeons, wrote to the papers saying it is imperative that the doctor or surgeon makes the decision and that, while there is an average length of stay for cases, every case is different and people could have a setback. He also said that people should not be put under unnecessary pressure because they stay longer in hospital than the average for their condition. I remember a case some time ago in my constituency where a seriously ill woman left hospital early, suffered a relapse and died.

Perhaps the Minister of State would take on board what I have said and reassure us that, while she would wish to be prudent, in certain medical cases there is more to it than just balancing the books.

Tá áthas orm an deis seo a ghlacadh atá tugtha ag Senator Cosgrave to clarify for the House the arrangements in place to ensure the interests of patients are central to all aspects of our hospital system, including hospital funding.

The motion from Senator Cosgrave refers to the system of what is known as casemix budget adjustments. That forms part of the process by which funds are allocated to hospitals. I reject the suggestion that this system places financial considerations ahead of the welfare of patients. The decision to admit or discharge a patient is, as Senator Cosgrave rightly said, a clinical decision to be made by the individual doctor in respect of the individual patient. The manner in which hospital services are organised, including the contract hospital consultants hold, explicitly recognises this clinical autonomy.

The casemix system uses clinical information based on the practice of medicine in hospitals to determine the proportion of funding for hospitals. To understand how the casemix places the patient at the centre of the resource allocation process, it is necessary to explain the background to the Department's casemix programme.

Casemix was introduced in an effort to collect, categorise and interpret hospital patient data related to the types of cases treated. It is an internationally recognised means of allocating funding to hospitals.

The casemix programme was introduced to the Irish hospital sector in 1993 and has been expanded, with the support of all who work in the hospital system, including doctors, each year since then. The data gathered from patients' clinical records are collected under the national hospital in-patient inquiry programme which operates in 61 hospitals and cost data are collected under the speciality costs programme in 31 of those 61 hospitals. The data collected in respect of each case include the age, gender, diagnosis, procedures performed and status of each patient on discharge.

In order to make the data more meaningful, they are grouped using a classification system known as diagnosis related groups, or DRGs, with each recorded in-patient care falling into any one DRG. The whole system consists of approximately 500 DRGs. The system is developed on the basis that cases falling into any one DRG will be similar from both clinical and cost perspectives. It is, therefore, possible to compare medically similar cases within each DRG with regard to factors such as cost and length of stay. Medical similarities and differences are therefore taken into account in this system.

Regarding length of stay, a measure of the average length of stay is arrived at by evaluating clinical practice as it relates to over 340,000 in-patient cases in the 31 casemix hospitals nationwide. The measures against which hospitals are evaluated in respect of length of stay are, therefore, set by the practice of doctors in the Irish hospital system. Cases with a longer than average length of stay actually attract additional credit under the casemix system. Length of stay is only one of many factors affecting any individual hospital's casemix adjustment.

All funding allocated under casemix remains within the hospital system and any funding deducted from hospitals is distributed to the other hospitals on the basis of their positive performance under casemix. It is also important to bear in mind that casemix is only one of a number of factors affecting hospitals' budgets. The amount deducted from hospitals under the programme is just over £2 million in a general hospital programme of approximately £1.7 billion.

Senator Cosgrave made it quite clear that he recognises the need to be prudent and to have a system which cuts costs, but I share his view that the interest of patients must be central to any practice. It would be regrettable if the system which transparently allocates funding on the basis of information derived directly from patient care were represented as an attempt to impose arbitrary limits on clinical practice. I reassure the Senator that in all practices it is the intention that the patient should be central.

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