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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 12 Oct 2000

Vol. 164 No. 2

Adjournment Matters. - Decentralisation Programme.

I welcome the opportunity to raise this serious matter on the Adjournment. It was totally shocking to read earlier in the week that the Government was shelving or abandoning its major decentralisation programme. There has been a great deal of publicity, promotion, discussion and preparation in regard to the programme at national and local level with 120 towns, two of which are Ennis and Kilrush in my constituency, making submissions in regard to the scheme.

There was huge interest in this matter in Kilrush. The urban district council made a very positive and concrete case to the Minister and people awaited the announcement with high expectations. The initial suggestion was that the announcement would be made at the start of the summer; that changed subsequently to mid-summer, then to autumn and media reports now indicate that it will not be made until the end of the year. This is a very disheartening development.

I note that the Minister for Finance has not come into the House himself this afternoon but, instead, has sent the Minister of State, Deputy Cullen. That may indicate what the realities are on the ground. The Minister for Finance is on record from 21 March as stating that the "current programme of decentralisation . . . is expected to be completed in the early part of next year, 2001". The Minister stated that he was fully committed to the programme, which followed his announcement in the budget of the Government's intention to embark on a new and radical decentralisation programme involving the transfer of the maximum number of public sector jobs from Dublin. The Minister went on to outline the many benefits of the programme and stated that the announcement of the programme endorsed the commitment outlined in an Action Programme for the Millennium in regard to a balanced regional development policy, one of the key priorities of which was the channeling of public sector jobs into provincial areas.

What has happened in the past seven months to make the programme fall on its face? It is disastrous that in the seven months which have passed since the Minister put on record the fact that it would be necessary to identify appropriate blocks of work, select and train staff and source suitable accommodation, we are now in a "no-go" situation. The front page article in last Monday's Irish Independent stated that there was an acceptance in Government circles that the sheer scale of the programme means that the process will take longer than originally anticipated and will not now commence prior to the next election. We have seen Fianna Fáil engage in a cynical exercise for political gain which raised hopes and expectations throughout the country and now sees those hopes being dashed. In the meantime, local communities, urban district councils and landowners were making preparations for an influx into their towns in order that the necessary facilities would be available for people moving into the area.

The Minister visited Kilrush two months ago and said that he was looking very favourably on the town and that it was to the forefront of his mind. Needless to say, the Minister could not come into this House today because of his record on this matter. That is why the Minister of State, Deputy Cullen, was sent into the House to take the debate.

On the occasion of the Minister's visit to Kilrush, Deputy Daly and I showed the Minister around the town and pointed out three suitable sites for office accommodation which could house up to 300 public servants. We showed him the plans which were in place in the town, the properties which were available for housing and the developmental land for which planning permission was being sought.

People have awaited this announcement since the start of the summer but everything is now up in the air. Does the Government actually have a policy on decentralisation or have we witnessed the Minister engaged merely in an exercise in verbosity? The Minister is great at making statements and engaging in consultation but there does not appear to be any outcome to the consultation. I wonder whether there is a split in Government in the approach which should be adopted to decentralisation. I cannot understand how simple matters such as the identity of suitable blocks of work or staff training are causing delays. Public servants are competent and intelligent people who are capable of being trained and many of them are willing to relocate to provincial towns which are ready to welcome new people into their area.

Where does the problem lie? It lies in the fact that the Minister lacks willingness, ability or focus in this matter. It is time he stood up and accepted responsibility. It is disgraceful that he has put so much on record over the past year on this matter but we are now being told that nothing will happen until after the next election. That is nothing more than unacceptable cynical political manouevring.

It is unfortunate that the Government has engaged in these tactics at this juncture. There has been talk of consultations with the trade unions. The trade unions will behave reasonably if they are consulted but the level and manner of the consultation which has occurred were obviously higgledy-piggledy.

The Government should adopt a phased approach to this programme. The transfer of 10,000 people would require a great deal of organisation but surely that transfer could be carried out in a reasonable, co-ordinated and phased manner. Public service personnel who have already been decentralised are more than happy with their move into provincial towns.

This matter should be given serious priority at the next Cabinet meeting. I regret that the Minister for Finance did not come into the House today. It is very unfair that communities throughout Ireland were given false hope and are now being left in the lurch, not knowing what will happen or when it might happen. Can we expect the Government's decentralisation programme to be completed by the end of this millennium? This is a farcical situation and the Government stands condemned for its approach to the matter.

I apologise for delaying the House. I was put on notice at 12.20 p.m. today that I was required in the House at 1 p.m. I have rescheduled five meetings and it has caused me untold difficulties to get to the House. I got here as soon as I could and did not intend any disrespect to the House by my late arrival.

We appreciate that.

I hope Senator Taylor-Quinn will acknowledge that I have dealt with this matter more often than any other Minister, both in the Seanad and in the Dáil. She should not take the Minister's non-attendance as a slight.

The Minister visited Kilrush.

I am merely outlining the position. The property aspect of the programme, which would be central to its delivery, would be my direct responsibility.

I am particularly pleased to have this opportunity to clarify the Government's position on a new programme of decentralisation. The Government is every bit as committed to the new programme as it was when my colleague, the Minister for Finance, first announced it in his Budget Statement last December. Despite recent newspaper suggestions to the contrary, the Government has not abandoned the new programme of decentralisation. Moreover, the Government has recently taken certain initiatives, to which I will return, which will assist in taking decisions on the new programme by the end of the year.

Senator Taylor-Quinn and most of her colleagues in this House are acutely aware of the widespread interest in decentralisation, which will hardly come as a surprise. Many have seen at first hand the benefits decentralisation has brought to provincial centres. The Government is conscious of this economic dividend and anxious to see it extended further.

While it is the case that we had hoped the Government would have been in a position to take decisions on the new programme by the end of the summer, this was not possible due to the scale of the proposed programme, including, for example, issues relating to the identification of those who would relocate as well as the centres to which they would relocate. The Department has received submissions from and representations or inquiries on behalf of 120 urban centres. It is only right and appropriate that due recognition be given to those who have gone to such lengths to articulate the merits of their respective towns.

This consideration of the submissions and representations is, however, only one element which will contribute to informing the Government's ultimate decision. The Government has also invited the views of Civil Service management and the civil and public service staff unions and is confident that these groups will bring to bear their considerable experience of decentralisation and contribute significantly to informing the decision making process. The Minister for Finance has personally met almost all those involved in this process of consultation and is anxious on this occasion to convey publicly his appreciation of their constructive approach to the issue.

The decision to proceed with this consultative approach is not, as described recently in one newspaper, "a significant climbdown," rather it reflects a desire on the part of the Government to take a decision which will have at its heart the interests of those communities for which decentralisation can provide an economic boost, Departments, offices and agencies which, through decentralisation, can maximise the efficient and effective delivery of public services and the staff for whom there may be significant benefits in relocating from our overly congested capital.

The Government has established a Cabinet sub-committee on decentralisation which includes the Taoiseach, Tánaiste, Minister for Finance and Minister for the Environment and Local Government. This sub-committee is looking forward greatly to receiving the views which have been invited and taking these into account fully as significant elements in our deliberations. The Government is anxious to learn any useful lessons which can be put to good effect in the new programme.

This programme is the most ambitious in the history of the State and the Government is conscious of the difficulties ahead in ensuring its effective implementation. It is for this reason it has invited the views of those most closely associated with it and I am confident that, with their active assistance, the target of up to 10,000 can be achieved. I want to put to rest some further speculation that the Government has taken certain decisions on the forthcoming programme. That is not the case. The Government has had and is maintaining an open mind. All cases made will be considered fully.

Many areas have been looked at. Like the Senator, I am under pressure in my constituency. There are excellent proposals and they deserve analysis. We will, as a consequence, end up with a far better decision on decentralisation at the end of this process. There is no prevarication. This is a programme the Government wants to deliver, but there are elements, to some of which the Senator referred, which have to be considered. As an experienced politician, the Senator understands this.

The Government has had the opportunity to discuss the new decentralisation programme on a number of recent occasions and Members can be assured of an absolute commitment to proceed with it. While the deferral of the decision has caused some concern, those advocating decentralisation should know that I and my Government colleagues can be counted among their number. This debate is timely in so far as it provides me with the opportunity to reassure those who may have feared that we were heading for the abandonment of the programme. Nothing could be further from the truth. While the engagement of a process of consultation may have delayed the decision, it will provide for a better and more informed one.

The Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, said that the consultative process would be completed early in 2001. When does the Minister of State envisage it being completed?

I hope this part of the process will be completed by the end of the year. It is a long and difficult process. Suitable sites have to be acquired and each of the different areas has to be visited. I have said all along that the programme will not be delivered in the next 18 months. It will take a number of years to put it in place.

The Government wants to get to the point where we know where we are going as quickly as possible.

Therefore, the target is "as quickly as possible".

I am being realistic. All the various elements have to be brought on board.

Two, three, four years.

I would not accept that at all.

After the next general election.

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