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Seanad Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 2 Feb 2010

Vol. 200 No. 6

School Transport.

I propose at the outset to give an outline of the issues surrounding this catchment area question and then to make a comment or two. First, I will give the Minister of State the factual background, as I am aware of it and as I have been briefed on it. I have carried out all possible investigations.

In mid-October, the principal of St. Aidan's comprehensive school, Cootehill was made aware of an incursion into the catchment area of her school, that is, a change of pick-up point and drop-off point from the Five Crosses in the Ballybay catchment area down to Latton national school, which is in the Cootehill catchment area. There had been a move approximately 1 km from the Five Crosses to a pick-up point outside Latton national school and Latton church.

When the principal initially inquired about this, she was told the bus was turning only. She went out and observed it herself on a couple of occasions and she found that approximately ten students were using the new pick-up point.

When the principal telephoned Bus Éireann after her inspection, she was told the chief executive officer of Monaghan VEC, who is transport liaison officer in Monaghan, had directed Bus Éireann to cease using the Five Crosses point for pick-up and drop-off due to health and safety considerations.

After approaches from the principal, the County Cavan transport liaison officer, Mr. Colm McEvoy, issued an instruction to CIE to have the incursions stopped. On 20 January last, the principal was advised by Mr. McEvoy, the CEO in Cavan, that, in fact, the incursion had not stopped. The transport liaison officer had contacted both Mr. Gerry Gannon, general manager of Bus Éireann school transport section, and Mr. Hogan in the school transport section of the Department of Education and Science.

Normally, I would prefer if names of such persons were not mentioned. The Senator may mention the relevant sections.

I take the Cathaoirleach's point, but they are relevant in the context. I am not being pejorative towards them, but I accept the Cathaoirleach's ruling. Neither person to whom I refer thought it was serious or, indeed, a breach.

On 21 January, the principal put it to a senior official in Bus Éireann, a regional co-ordinator, that if a breach of health and safety at Five Crosses were at issue, why not solve it by going further into the Ballybay catchment area, which is the affected catchment area and the catchment area of that school. Why go into the Cootehill catchment area to solve the problem? Logically, the reverse should be the case. She was told in response that there was a continuous white line there. She logically responded by asking why not follow the white line to its conclusion to find a pick-up point, which seemed a reasonable course of action.

One might think, on the face of it, this was something of an over reaction from the school principal. However, the school principal of Cootehill has to go outside her catchment area to Latton primary school, which is in her catchment area, which is reasonable to protect her school and her teachers and maintain the school's critical mass and its numbers, to recruit students for the coming academic year, but she would be doing so while outside the door of the school there is a bus stop, because of this change, that will take the children to Ballybay. In fact, she is almost going against the grain. The children will see the bus stop, the kids can go to Ballybay from there and it is wrong. Obviously, there are some children in this area going to Ballybay and some going to Cootehill, but Latton is in her St. Aidan's catchment area and she would encounter considerable difficulty in recruiting students in that situation.

For her, there are teachers' jobs at risk. It is not that she has lost students, but there is potential for loss of students. It is not a fanciful notion of hers because the ASTI has officially approached her on the issue and ASTI head office is supporting her call for a change because it is concerned about its members' jobs and the impact on St. Aidan's school.

Although not germane to the motion, St. Aidan's is a wonderful school doing a significant job in its community which supports its demands rather than putting it in an unfair position.

This is what I want to put to the Minister. None of us — the school principal in St. Aidan's, the ASTI, the parents of pupils in St. Aidan's, the board of management nor I — are adjudicating on the health and safety issue. Assuming there is a health and safety issue at Five Crosses, we want a resolution of that within the Monaghan Ballybay catchment area rather than bringing the bus into the Cavan catchment area to solve the problem.

I note that Mr. Gannon, in a letter to the CEO in Cavan, makes the point that health and safety transcends boundaries. Of course it can, and nobody is arguing with that thesis, but it is a reasonable proposition that one would solve it within the area.

It is open to the Cootehill principal to go out and scout her territory on the borders with Monaghan along the whole catchment area to identify other health and safety risks — there are many areas one can identify as health and safety risks — and propose them as health and safety risks and that they be solved by incursions into Monaghan, and one would have bedlam.

I ask the Minister of State to bring order to this and resolve the matter within Monaghan. I appeal to him that it is common sense the matter needs. There is nothing sinister at stake on the part of a school in trying to preserve its numbers and its catchment area.

This, all these incursions taking place on the border, sounds dramatic but, in fairness to Senator O'Reilly, I am familiar with this case. I thank him for raising the matter as it provides me with an opportunity to clarify the general position regarding post-primary school transport and, in particular, the change of pick-up point at Latton.

The Senator will be aware that the provision of school transport is a massive logistical operation involving the transportation by Bus Éireann of over 125,000 children using over 6,000 routes each day to primary and post-primary schools, including over 8,000 children with special educational needs.

Under the terms of the Department of Education and Science post-primary school transport scheme, a pupil is eligible for transport if he or she resides 4.8 km or more from his or her local post-primary education centre, that is, the centre serving the catchment area in which he or she lives.

The scheme is not designed to facilitate parents who choose to send their children to a post-primary centre outside of the catchment area in which they reside. However, children who are eligible for transport to the post-primary centre in which they reside, may apply for transport on a concessionary basis to a post-primary centre outside their own catchment area — otherwise known as catchment boundary transport. I should emphasise, however, that these children can only be facilitated if spare seats are available on the bus after all other eligible children travelling to the post-primary centre in which they live have been catered for. Children availing of catchment boundary transport must make their own way to the nearest pick-up point within that catchment area.

The specific case raised by the Senator involves two catchment areas, namely Cootehill and Ballybay. Traditionally, children from the Cootehill catchment area availing of catchment boundary transport to Ballybay Community College travelled to a pick-up point known as Five Crosses, which is located within the Ballybay catchment area. In the past, Bus Éireann considered the pick-up point at Five Crosses to be safe.

I emphasise that my Department's position on matters in connection with the safety of pick-up points is that they are a matter solely for Bus Éireann which operates the scheme on behalf of my Department. Bus Éireann, at its absolute discretion, implements changes on safety grounds where this is deemed necessary. It is a matter of policy generally that the integrity of the catchment area of each school is respected. Services provided under the school transport scheme do not, as a rule, pick up children in a neighbouring catchment area. In exceptional circumstances, Bus Éireann has been obliged for operational reasons and on safety grounds to make a minor encroachment across a boundary, either temporarily or permanently which has taken place in this instance.

In line with well established Bus Éireann procedures concerning ongoing reviews of the safety of pick-up points, a detailed assessment of the case was conducted. Bus Éireann has confirmed to the Department that the pick-up point at Five Crosses is now considered unsafe for use because there is a hazard to school children and other road users. As a consequence, a decision was made by Bus Éireann to move the pick-up point to a more suitable location for this purpose at Latton church, less than 1 km away from the old pick-up point at Five Crosses. This new pick-up point is also less than 1 km inside the Cootehill catchment area. This means that currently there are two buses picking up children at Latton church, one bringing children to Ballybay community college, which is in the Ballybay catchment area, and the other bringing children to St. Aidan's comprehensive school, which is in the Cootehill catchment area. This point is considered safe by Bus Éireann because there is ample room for parents to park their cars while waiting on the bus.

The location of a new pick up point is an operational matter for Bus Éireann. The Department of Education and Science has no input, beyond taking the boundary issue into account if it is feasible from a safety perspective. Bus Éireann continues to examine the situation and the relevant transport liaison officers will be advised when a final decision has been taken.

The value for money review of the school transport scheme, including catchment boundaries, is being finalised and when completed will be published and sent to the Select Committee on Education and Science. I thank the Senator for raising this matter. The issue is being actively examined in consultation with my Department and I expect a decision will be finalised shortly.

I thank the Minister of State for his reply. Every time I raise a matter on the Adjournment it seems to be relevant to the Minister of State's Department and I acknowledge on the record that he is always very helpful in his responses. The Minister of State stated that it is a matter of policy generally that the integrity of the catchment area of each school is respected, which is what I am calling for. The difficulty with the Five Crosses situation should be resolved within the Ballybay catchment area. There is potential for this, either by creating a lay-to there or by considering a new location. I appeal to the Minister of State to liaise with the transport people and not to break the boundary. That would cause bad feeling there and it would create a precedent. This is all we ask for. I am pleased the Minister of State indicated the book is not closed on this yet but I appeal to him to ensure the policy is kept in place in the meantime.

I will endeavour to solve this problem along the lines suggested by the Senator.

I thank the Minister of State.

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