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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014

Vol. 234 No. 13

Adjournment Matters

Fish Farming

I welcome the Minister. I know he is directly involved with the issue I am raising and we have discussed it in the past. Will he clarify the import of the minutes of a meeting between him, the Taoiseach and a company called Marine Harvest about the Galway Bay sea farm project and licence? Will he clarify the ramifications of those minutes for the licensing process?

These minutes were brought to my attention. I did not seek them. They were the front page story of The Galway Advertiser last week. The Minister has always been very clear that in deciding who would eventually get the licence for the sea farm project, if it was to go ahead, based on having all the evidence, there would be an arm’s length distance between him and any company involved. I have evidence that a meeting took place between the Taoiseach, the Minister and the then Minister of State with responsibility for the Gaeltacht, Deputy McGinley, Deputy Joe McHugh and four members of the company, Marine Harvest.

Bord Iascaigh Mhara, BIM, says there are 21 expressions of interest in this licence. Why were not all the other companies, apart from Marine Harvest, invited to this meeting? It seems this meeting may have breached the rules regarding tendering regulations for salmon farm licences. I am asking questions.

I am asking questions. My Adjournment matter is to ask the Minister to clarify this. I am making statements but I am open to hearing an answer.

Why did this meeting take place while the Minister is still making up his mind? Why were the other 21 companies not invited?

There is a serious issue about Deputy McHugh’s role. He lobbied heavily for Marine Harvest on the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine. I have several quotations from him. We now know that as Minister of State he has responsibility for Inland Fisheries Ireland, IFI, and Údarás na Gaeltachta which funds fisheries in that area. Serious questions are being asked about that. According to the minutes, Marine Harvest says it needs a champion to drive forward the interests of the industry. The question I have been asked to put to the Minister is whether this champion is Deputy McHugh. He has lobbied for Marine Harvest for several years and according to himself was the person who facilitated this meeting with the Taoiseach and the Minister. He is now in charge of IFI, and Údarás na Gaeltachta, which has invested €1.3 million in the south Connemara salmon farms. Was the Minister of State given this responsibility to keep IFI in check because it opposes the fish farm proposals, to drive forward the industry and co-ordinate interactions with the EU Commission?

The signs in favour of the sea farm are no longer as clear cut as they were. I am on record as having supported this farm at the outset from the point of view of growth in the industry and of jobs, but it has been unravelling. The Minister says structural changes are taking place in the Irish Marine Institute to advance the science. Will the Minister clarify what that means? The size and bulk of the farm is also an issue because of the threat to the environment and the local fishing and angling industry. I am more concerned about what seems to be a cosy relationship. Since this was brought to my attention, it is important to have the truth on the record. This freedom of information revelation must rule Marine Harvest out of the running for this licence.

I am glad to have the opportunity to respond to this matter. The premise behind the Senator’s question is incorrect. The meeting to which she refers was not about the Galway Bay farm.

On 30 January, I met with representatives of the company referred to by the Senator. The meeting was chaired by An Taoiseach. Officials from the Department of the Taoiseach and my Department were also in attendance. The meeting was held at the request of the company to discuss licensing and industry development issues associated with the company's operations in Ireland. It is a very big employer here and happens to be the largest salmon farming company in the world. It is a huge multinational so there was nothing inappropriate about meeting it, just as I meet other multinationals seeking to invest in Ireland.

As is appropriate, it was explained from the outset that specific applications which the company submitted to my Department for consideration could not be discussed in detail in view of the statutory basis of the assessment process.

Bord lascaigh Mhara, BIM, and not Marine Harvest Ireland is the applicant in the case to which the Senator refers.

It is entirely appropriate for me as Minister to meet Marine Harvest Ireland on matters relevant to the company's operations in Ireland having regard to the important role it plays as a food producer from the marine resource. There is always a strict separation between my ministerial role as decision maker in respect of aquaculture licence applications and my ministerial duty to promote the sustainable development of the industry. This separation of duties is always strictly observed, including at meetings with industry representatives, as it is at meetings with NGOs, which have a contrary view at times.

The report of the meeting was put in the public domain on foot of a freedom of information request by a member of the public. The report is clear in setting out the limited parameters of the discussion and I draw the Senator's attention in particular to the specific statement at the outset of the meeting that individual licensing applications could not be discussed in detail because of the statutory basis of the licensing system.

The company in question plays an important role in the provision of employment in the aquaculture industry in disadvantaged coastal regions. It would be quite incredible if I refused to meet its representatives to discuss general issues associated with their activities in Ireland. Indeed, it would be negligent of me to remain aloof from key employers on the basis of a supposed conflict of interest which does not exist and in respect of which the strictest of protocols are observed by me as Minister and by my officials. If anybody reads the report of the meeting, it will be clear this separation of functions has been applied.

With regard to the Galway Bay deep sea project, an application by BIM for an aquaculture licence for the cultivation of finfish near Inis Oirr in Galway Bay was received by my Department in 2012. The application and its accompanying environmental impact assessment are being considered under the provisions of the Fisheries (Amendment) Act 1997 and the Foreshore Act 1933.

A determination in respect of the application will be made as soon as possible following completion of the necessary assessment process. This assessment process will take full account of all national and EU legislative requirements and will reflect the full engineering, scientific, environmental, legal and public policy aspects of the application. The fullest consideration is being given to all submissions received as part of the statutory and public consultation stages of the process. As the application is under active consideration as part of the statutory process, it would not be appropriate to comment further at this time, apart from saying what I have said many times publicly. I will not grant a licence to any aquaculture or finfish farm application unless and until I am fully satisfied on the basis of scientific evidence from the Marine Institute that it is appropriate to do so. It is important to put on the record that I have not granted a licence in my three years as Minister for salmon farming to Marine Harvest Ireland or anybody else. I act on the basis of the advice I get from marine biologists and marine scientists and I take issue with the insinuation of what the Senator said because it suggests that both the Taoiseach and I are involved in an inappropriate relationship with the company, which simply is not the case. The company employs many people in Ireland. Its chief executive officer was in Ireland and he wanted to get an understanding of the systems here and the ambition within government for the sector. That is what we discussed.

There is no mystery. A meeting was held with a major employer, at its request, to discuss a broad range of issues. It was a perfectly appropriate meeting at which clear parameters were set down on the State's side in respect of "live" applications. That was done by the Taoiseach at the beginning of the meeting. The meeting was the subject of a standard report, which in due course was put in the public domain on foot of a freedom of information request. The minutes of the meeting have no import beyond what is clearly stated in the relevant minutes. The only mention I made at that meeting of any application related to Shot Head was when I was asked a question on when there was likely to be a decision on it, which has been under consideration for at least two and a half years. I said, because of information I had received from my Department, that we were hoping to make a decision by Easter, which was a few months after that meeting. I had absolutely no indication as to what that decision would be or the parameters of the decision or the considerations I needed to make on the back of that application. I did not have recommendations on my desk and, therefore, I could not do that. All I did was update them on a likely timeframe and, as it happens, there has been no decision on Shot Head just in case anybody thinks the meeting resulted in an early decision on that application.

I thank the Minister for the clarification and that is why it is important that this debate is taking place. The purpose of the debate is to clarify the import of the minutes and their ramifications. I accept the distinction the Minister made. However, it is clear when reading the minutes that Marine Harvest Ireland was trying to rush the licensing process not just for this application, but for all applications, as the Minister said. It finds the process tedious and it spoke about "the need for a predictable licensing system which would facilitate investment". I accept Marine Harvest Ireland is a large employer but it is important to put this information in the public domain because doubt is being raised about the bona fides of this project and the licensing arrangements on an ongoing basis. I thank the Minister again for the clarification and I will watch this closely.

Marine Harvest Ireland has nothing to do with this application. Like many other companies, it is watching the process because this is a new departure. This relates to offshore deep sea salmon farming and it is the first time we have received an application of this scale off the Irish coast. Everyone interested in salmon farming is watching what happens with the application, including many NGOs, which is why we are being so careful with it to make sure the process is appropriate and is followed. If that results in a rejection, scaling down or granting of the application, so be it. I will take responsibility for that on the basis of all the scientific advice and the stakeholders' input which has gone into the lengthy process

It is going on for years.

This started in 2012 and, therefore, nobody can accuse me of rushing anything in this space. I sometimes make the distinction between aquaculture and finfish farming because I see aquaculture as shellfish. People are looking for certainty regarding a likely timeline relating to when they apply for something and when they get a decision and we are trying to put systems in place that can give certainty, whether it is a positive or negative decision. We need to be able to make decisions with proper scientific advice in a reasonable timeframe and we are trying to put systems in place that can do that. I assure the Senator we will not make irresponsible decisions or decisions on the basis of lobbying by any company, regardless of its size or scale. We will make decisions on the basis of the advice I get from experts in the Marine Institute and others who have an input into the licensing process and who deserve to be fully heard as well. That will be the only criterion for making decisions.

Concussion in Sport

I welcome the Minister of State to the House. The matter I raise is a follow-up to a presentation to the Joint Committee on Health last week. The GAA made a submission calling for the establishment of a task force on concussion injury comprising representatives of sports organisations, sports medicine bodies and primary and post-primary schools. The main focus of the task force should be to review successful public health campaigns in countries such as Canada and the United States in relation to concussion injury; plan and implement a national awareness campaign; run a targeted awareness campaign in primary and post-primary schools for pupils, parents and teachers; and develop educational resources such as online training courses, educational videos and information leaflets.

The deficiencies in care were highlighted in a submission by Professor John M. Ryan to the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Health and Children as follows:

Despite the increased publicity around the problem that concussion in sport presents and despite the increasing awareness around concussion, there remain deficiencies in Ireland in knowledge translation around the management of concussion particularly at local level. There is evidence that some athletes hide their symptoms deliberately or through ignorance to try and prevent being withdrawn from sporting activity. At a primary care level there are frequently reported deficiencies in knowledge around the identification and management of sports-related concussion. Similarly, at a secondary care level most sports-related concussions in Ireland are managed initially by senior house officers in emergency medicine. These doctors' experience in head injury management revolves around the management of traumatic brain injuries at the higher level, including skull fractures and traumatic brain haemorrhages. The approach to the concussed athlete frequently follows the approach of dealing with the worst case scenario. Such an approach is built upon undergraduate medical education where exposure to sports and exercise medicine is limited.

It is in this context that I draw attention to the proposal made to the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Health and Children that a task force be established which would examine this area and put in place a proper structure so that every organisation is singing from the same hymn sheet in terms of dealing with and managing concussion.

I thank Senator Burke for raising this very important topic. He refers to the need for the Minister for Health to establish a task force with representatives from sports organisations, sports medicine bodies and primary and post primary schools in order to devise an appropriate education programme to improve awareness of sport-related concussion, its management and possible consequences among players, parents, coaches and medics. I am taking this debate on behalf of my colleague, the Minister for Health, Deputy Varadkar.

The issue of concussion wherever it occurs needs to be taken very seriously as it is a mild traumatic brain injury. It is important to also state that it is not just during sport that the dangers of concussion arise. While we have seen some very public examples of concussion at major sporting events recently, I do not think it would be helpful to focus just on sporting occasions. There is always a risk of injury, however small, in all aspects of normal day-to-day activities whether in school, while commuting, at home or in the workplace which can result in concussion. The management of concussion includes evaluation, removal from active participation, medical assessment of symptoms, physical and cognitive rest until the acute symptoms resolve followed by a gradual return to participation. This is the case wherever it occurs, not just in sport.

I would like to acknowledge the work of a number of sporting organisations which have been very proactive in raising awareness of the dangers of concussion and in developing guidance on concussion for participants, coaches, officials and others. However, in saying that, I also call on the sporting organisations to ensure that they are visibly implementing their own guidelines and doing whatever they can to ensure the health and safety of all of those participating in sport.

Regular physical activity is one of the most important things anybody can do for his or her health. While the benefits are well known, we must also ensure that we do not discourage anybody from participating in sport and physical activity, either directly or as a volunteer, because of fears about sustaining injury or concerns about how to respond when in a position of authority or responsibility.

As the Senator is aware from his participation in the recent Joint Committee on Health and Children hearings on the implications of concussion in sport, officials in the Departments of Health and Education and Skills recently started exploring the issue of concussion in school settings. The two Departments brought together a small group of relevant experts from key organisations to have an exploratory discussion about the implications of concussion and to identify current shortcomings in concussion awareness and responses. This is an opportunity to build on work already undertaken to develop a uniform approach to understanding and educating people about concussion and creating a better awareness about injury prevention, risk reduction as well as response and treatment for concussion. While this is a complex issue, initially officials in both Departments will continue to work together and with the group of experts from key organisations referred to earlier to progress the development and distribution of information materials to reiterate that the management of concussion includes evaluation, removal from active participation, medical assessment of symptoms, physical and cognitive rest until the acute symptoms resolve, followed by a gradual return to participation.

I believe that a singular process with the backing of all relevant stakeholders will be beneficial in encouraging everyone to understand the true importance and implications of concussion. In the deliberations on concussion, the need to explore further what more needs to be done to ensure that concussion is dealt with in a safe manner was recognised. This work will continue in partnership with the key stakeholders from the sporting organisations and the medical professions.

I thank the Minister of State for his comprehensive reply. I accept that Departments are working together on this matter but in fairness to those who made submissions to the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Health and Children, they pointed out that this is not just an issue for schools but also for all of the sporting organisations. We must make sure that there is one set of rules across the board for all sports settings and all sports, including GAA, rugby, soccer and so forth. That is why the witnesses suggested the setting up of a task force to include the people in the Department who are already working on this issue, as well as the other relevant stakeholders. It is about getting everybody on board.

The representatives of Irish rugby who attended the hearings pointed out that there are world-wide regulations in rugby for dealing with concussion. There is a need for all sporting organisations to work together with the relevant Departments which is why a task force is a good idea. I am not saying that such a task force should meet every week for 12 months. I am simply saying that it is important for everybody to work together to provide the relevant information and to ensure that everyone is applying the same set of rules as regards players being removed from the field of play, when they can resume playing and how this is effected. That is very important.

The point is very well made by Senator Burke. This is an important issue which is not just relevant to sport but to schools and society generally. I will pass on the Senator's remarks to the Minister for Health.

The Seanad adjourned at 6.30 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 16 October 2014.
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