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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 14 Dec 2016

Vol. 249 No. 5

Commencement Matters

Commemorative Events

I thank the Minister for coming to the House to deal with this matter. While this month will see the end of the 1916 Rising commemorations, centenary commemorations will commence again on the anniversary of the death of Thomas Ashe who, of course, was born in Lispole, County Kerry. He was involved in the 1916 Rising, tried on the same day as Éamon de Valera and sentenced to death, a sentence which was commuted to one of penal servitude. He went on hunger strike with another Kerry man, Austin Stack, during which he was forcibly fed.

While we celebrate and commemorate the bravery of the men of 1916, the 100th anniversary of the death of Thomas Ashe is relevant because the forcible feeding of prisoners continues to this day, most notably at Guantanamo Bay. While we mark the anniversary of his death, we must also highlight the fact that the death he endured and the punishment he received - he remained on a cold prison cell floor in a weakened condition for 50 hours before being subjected to forced feeding - constituted human rights abuses that continue to happen today. That is part of the reason we must highlight the injustices that continue to happen today, even though we will be commemorating an event that happened 100 years ago.

What does the Government plant to do to commemorate the anniversary of the death of Thomas Ashe and highlight human rights issues, in particular the abuse of the rights of prisoners and the abuses perpetrated by countries with which we are great friends? That friendship does not mean that we will not criticise them when they are wrong. When the United States of America engages in the form of punishment it uses for prisoners, we must not be silent. We must stand up for the rights of prisoners, irrespective of the reasons for which they are imprisoned. I look forward to hearing what the Government plans to do to commemorate the anniversary of the death of Thomas Ashe.

I thank the Senator for raising this Commencement matter. I am taking this item on behalf of the Minister, Deputy Heather Humphreys, who unfortunately cannot attend the House.

On Easter Monday of this year, 28 March, a State ceremony took place in Ashbourne, County Meath, to remember Commandant Thomas Ashe and all of those who gave their lives arising from the events of the Battle of Ashbourne. This was one of a number of formal State ceremonial events to take place around the country this year to reflect the special significance of key regional locations in the events of the 1916 Rising and to honour and remember those who fought and those who died. I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge the assistance of Meath County Council and Fingal County Council in supporting this very special commemoration.

Some of the most significant Volunteer action outside of Dublin took place at Rathcross, Ashbourne, under the leadership of Thomas Ashe, Richard Mulcahy and Frank Lawless. Thirteen men in total lost their lives in Ashbourne on 28 April 1916. Commandant Thomas Ashe was tried by court martial and his death sentence was commuted to penal servitude for life. He died in September 1917.

This year, we have remembered and reflected upon the ultimate sacrifice made by Ashe and all those who gave their lives in order that Ireland’s dream of self-determination could become a reality. My Department is currently considering how the centenary of the death of Thomas Ashe should be appropriately marked and is being assisted by the guidance and advice of the expert advisory group on commemorations in these deliberations.

The 1916 centenary commemorations were inclusive, respectful and measured, and sought to strengthen peace and reconciliation on the island of Ireland. The Ireland 2016 centenary programme met with widespread support across the political, academic and community sectors. It has engaged our communities at home and abroad in an unprecedented way and the benefits at community level and indeed nationally cannot be underestimated. The inclusive nature of the programme has enabled citizens to really examine our history and has encouraged them to consider the future of their communities. It gave people scope to think about the events of 1916 and its legacy in a way that is personal and meaningful to each individual. The Government will continue to mark significant events throughout the decade of centenaries and the State's commemorative programme will be based on the inclusive, open and consultative approach that has worked so well this year.

At all times, the Government has been supported in its plans by the guidance and advice of the expert advisory group on commemorations and the Oireachtas all-party consultation group on commemorations. The expert group is currently considering the issue of guidance around the approach to the second half of the decade of centenaries. The centenary of the death of Commandant Thomas Ashe will be marked on 25 September 2017. In addition, next year we will remember the battle of Messines and will commemorate the death of Francis Ledwidge in the third Battle of Ypres on 31 July.

In 2018, we will mark the end of the First World War and the general election of 1918 and then move on to commemorate the First Dáil in January 2019. Commemorating the period of the War of Independence and Civil War will present its own challenges. However, I strongly believe the same open and honest approach which we used for this year’s successful commemorations, which allowed all narratives to be heard, will ensure we will be able to reflect appropriately on the all of the major historical events as they unfolded.

In terms of funding for commemorations, the Department is considering the funding breakdown for commemorations in 2017 in the context of finalising the commemoration programme for next year.

I know that the Minister of State is only reading the answer but, for his benefit, the question asked the Minister "to outline the Government's plans to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the death of Thomas Ashe and to state the budget allocation for the commemorations". The last few lines of the Minister of State's reply stated: "In terms of funding for commemorations, the Department is currently considering the funding breakdown" and so on. Therefore, there was no answer to the question, although there are only nine months to go. The reply also referred to the Oireachtas all-party consultation group on commemorations but that group has not met since January this year.

I thank the Minister of State for attending the House and know that the reply he was given is the only one he can provide. In the light of the fact that the centenary is only nine months away, however, I had hoped to get an answer to my question.

As a week is a long time in politics, nine months is an awfully long period concerning issues such as this one. The Minister, Deputy Heather Humphreys, is considering the State's commemorative programme for the second half of the decade. As I said, she is being supported by the expert group. I will ask her why the Oireachtas all-party consultation group on commemorations has not met since January. Although the Senator did not say so, I am sure he agrees that the celebrations and commemorations for the last year have been excellent. They have received cross-party and community support, which must be acknowledged.

The Minister has indicated that the Thomas Ashe centenary committee and others are also discussing their plans to commemorate this significant event next year in Ashe's birthplace in Lispole, County Kerry. The Senator is probably involved in that himself. There will also be commemorations in Meath, Dublin and abroad. The Department will be happy to engage with relevant groups, including local authorities and third-level institutions on how the centenary of the death of Thomas Ashe might be appropriately commemorated next year. The inclusive, respectful and measured approach which characterised this year's centenary commemorations will continue to shape the State's commemorative programme for the remainder of the decade. The close collaboration and engagement between Departments and other stakeholders will continue to suggest significant events and themes for commemoration for the next five years, which will be marked with respect, sensitivity and openness. I am confident that the centenary of Thomas Ashe's death will be acknowledged. I will bring to the Minister's attention the Senator's concerns about the all-party committee not having met since January, as well as the issues regarding the budget outlay for that event.

Addiction Treatment Services

Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire Stáit. I am glad the Minister of State is attending the House to address this serious and urgent issue that has come to my attention. It concerns an e-mail sent to personnel in HSE West, which baldly states any patient attending addiction counsellors in the mental health services must have co-morbid mental illness and addiction and be under the care of the relevant catchment area consultant. It states anyone who is not under the care of a consultant should be discharged back to their general practitioner. The same e-mail asked its recipients to please confirm that all addiction counsellors in their areas only treat people who have mental health issues as well as addiction.

This is a very frightening turn of events in the Galway west and south Mayo area, in particular, but I know that the mental health services also cover Galway and Roscommon. It has been brought to my attention that GPs will no longer be able to refer patients with an alcohol addiction to the HSE services unless they have been diagnosed with a co-morbid mental health illness. That means that scores of patients receiving support will be left high and dry in the run up to Christmas and that GPs will have nowhere to send patients who present with alcohol addiction problems for the foreseeable future unless they have the additional diagnosis. I find this decision to be totally unacceptable. Christmas is obviously a pressure point for families where someone has an alcohol addiction problem. I understand that this decision was taken on the advice of senior psychiatric personnel and that people working in this sector have been completely taken aback by the decision and the fallout that will ensue. According to the recent Galway city alcohol strategy, a total of 38% of alcohol drinkers screened positive for alcohol problems, 22% for alcohol abuse and 11% for alcohol dependency. One in five reported one or more harms due to their own drinking and one in four people reported one or more harms as a result of someone else's drinking. Therefore, this is an issue which affects families of people with alcohol-related problems, as well as those with such problems themselves.

Galway has a population of over 75,000, but there is only one full-time and one part-time counsellor for over-18s who are problematic drinkers. Waterford, by comparison, which has a population of 47,000 has five counsellors that are accessible to drinkers, as well as one outreach worker, 1.5 workers for under-18s, a hospital liaison nurse, a liaison nurse in other projects and a clinical psychologist. Limerick and Tralee also leave us in the ha'penny place, given the level of such services provided there.

Galway has been historically completely under-resourced for dealing with the issues surrounding alcohol addiction. I note that the Minister of State was in Galway recently when we both attended a consultation on the future drugs task force policy there. When she was there, the Minister of State heard at first hand the problems being faced on the ground. We have seen cuts to services in Ballinasloe, Merlin Park, the western region drugs task force and elsewhere that have exacerbated the problems. However, this new cut to services is totally unacceptable and must be reversed immediately. I will write to the management of HSE West but a strong intervention by the Minister of State, who has responsibility for this area, would be very useful.

I note that there is a particular problem locally in Galway in that services tend to be pigeonholed either into drugs or alcohol services, where most people presenting with one or other of those issues have a poly-use problem. There are also issues with prescription drugs and other drugs people are using. There generally tend to be social and health problems associated with them. The fact is, however, that a vital service such as addiction counselling under the HSE is being limited in such a way that only people who have a dual diagnosis can be seen. That means that people who are currently receiving supports from the addiction services will no longer be able to avail of them. In addition, GPs cannot refer people who present as problem cases between now and Christmas.

That is totally unacceptable.

I thank the Senator for raising this matter, but I am afraid that he will not be very happy with my reply. I am not happy with it and will explain why.

The Government is committed to tackling alcohol misuse in Ireland and the widespread harm and pain it causes. Alcohol is causing significant damage across the population and in workplaces, families and communities and is a substantial burden on everyone in Irish society. Individuals with an addiction to alcohol access the full range of general health services, including primary care, secondary care, social care and mental health services. There are also specific addiction services. People who present for alcohol addiction treatment are offered a range of interventions, namely, initial assessment, comprehensive assessment, the Minnesota programme, brief intervention, individual counselling, self-help, peer support or a combination of these. The delivery of these services is based on the Four Tier model of treatment intervention and services are designed to respond to an individual's specific identified needs.

Responding effectively to the co-existence of substance use and mental health disorders presents a challenge for treatment services in several ways. Among the issues that make treatment complicated are those surrounding the assessment of patients, the types of combination treatment they require and the specific context and settings within which services are provided for them. The HSE has recently established a national clinical programme for co-morbid mental illness and substance misuse. This clinical programme will commence early in 2017 with the aim of recommending a comprehensive model of care to respond to this serious clinical issue. A national working group under the direction of a national clinical lead will be convened to progress this model of care. It will include an examination of residential co-morbid treatment and recovery settings. The existence of problems relating to the treatment and care of individuals with a dual diagnosis is common across European treatment services owing to the separation of mental health and drug use treatment networks. The establishment of the national clinical programme is a major step towards recognising this problem and taking specific steps to deal with it.

The current practice of Galway Mayo and Roscommon CHO Area 2 mental health services is that access to mental health services is via referral by a GP to a consultant-led multi-disciplinary team that will conduct a core assessment and arrange care, as appropriate. This principle applies to all services within our remit, including alcohol addiction services. In line with national policy, CHO Area 2 mental health services will continue to prioritise and respond to people with a co-morbidity of alcohol addiction and mental health problems.

The issue of support for those with an alcohol addiction will also be considered as part of national strategy development, most particularly in developing the new drugs strategy and in the review of A Vision for Change. It is essential to have a public health policy response which seeks to reduce the number engaged in the harmful use of alcohol. The Public Health (Alcohol) Bill contains a package of measures aimed at reducing alcohol consumption in Ireland to 9.1 litres per person per annum, the OECD average in 2012, as well as the harm associated with alcohol. With other measures, the Bill will bring about a cultural shift in how we view and consume alcohol. As a consequence, we will see an improvement in both physical and mental health well-being in the population. The Bill commenced Committee Stage in the Seanad on 26 October and the debate will resume in the next session of the Oireachtas.

I appreciate the answer, but to be honest, it is nonsensical. I am told that it is untrue to say people who present for alcohol addiction treatment are offered a range of interventions in Galway; therefore, I refute that suggestion. Possibly the one sentence in the reply with which I agree is that it is essential to have a public health policy response that seeks to reduce the number engaged in the harmful use of alcohol. I am told that the limiting of the service whereby GPs can refer people to the alcohol addiction service in Merlin Park hospital in Galway flies in the face of that statement. It will cause huge problems for those who are already being seen by alcohol addiction services and will cause a lot of stress for families during the Christmas season when the problem is exacerbated and families find themselves in very difficult territory with a family a member who has an alcohol abuse problem. I implore the Minister of State to contact HSE West about this issue today to see what can be done in the interim until the new policy in which she is in investing is brought forward to have a stay of execution until at least after Christmas.

As I said in my initial remarks, I am not happy with the reply I received this morning and have already informed the HSE of this. I have asked it how it plans to reconfigure addiction services in the west to ensure all individuals who will present with an alcohol addiction will be catered for in the coming weeks. I will make it my business when I leave the Chamber to get back onto the HSE and impress on it how important it is to provide a proper reply to the Senator's question. I am not happy with the answer I received. I only received it before I came into the Chamber. I assure the Senator that since I left my office I have made provision to speak to HSE West to find out what is going on and will come back to him with a more comprehensive answer, I hope by the end of the day, but, if not, by tomorrow.

Rural Resettlement Scheme

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Damien English, who is a frequent visitor to the House and usually has reasonably good news. I hope he will have good news on this occasion too.

The Minister of State will be aware that Rural Resettlement Ireland, a housing NGO that was begun by Mr. Jim Connolly in Kilbaha in west Clare, has been responsible for relocating hundreds of families from Dublin to towns and villages all over the country. The children of those families went to village schools and their children are now going to village schools. Many schools were able to keep extra teachers, certainly in the 1980s and early 1990s, because of the wonderful families from inner city Dublin who had difficulty in finding housing in Dublin and were welcomed with open arms in rural communities. There are dozens of such families in west Clare who have successfully relocated from Dublin.

I have been contacted by people in counties Leitrim and Mayo to ask why the scheme is not being promoted more, channelled or energised by the Government. My understanding is Rural Resettlement Ireland no longer receives State funding. Will the Minister for Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government recommit to funding this concept? I have no doubt that many of the families who find themselves in the desperate position of being homeless in Dublin and who are living in bed and breakfast accommodation or hotel rooms would welcome the opportunity to relocate to a town or village that could do with the extra numbers because of depopulation. It is not the answer for everyone. Many people who find themselves in this situation want to stay in Dublin to be near their families and loved ones, but Government policy should support and facilitate those who wish to relocate to start a new life on another part of our great island.

What are the views of the Minister of State on this? Has he committed funding for 2017 and 2018 to this organisation or other organisations which do similar work? Rural Resettlement Ireland has demonstrated it has worked well in the past and there is absolutely no reason such a scheme cannot work in future. This is my position on the matter. We need to think outside the box. We need to view the housing crisis as requiring an all-Ireland strategy. Where there are difficulties and challenges there are opportunities for other communities, villages, towns, GAA clubs and schools. It is not a Dublin, Cork or Limerick problem. It is an all-Ireland problem and there is an all-Ireland solution. I look forward to hearing the response of the Minister of State.

I thank the Senator for raising this item and I am glad of the opportunity to clarify the Department’s position on this matter and to outline our plans to support the regeneration of rural towns and villages in the context of Rebuilding Ireland, the action plan for housing and homelessness.

My colleague, the Minister for Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, Deputy Heather Humphreys, has overall responsibility for regional and rural affairs and will advance a broadly-based rural development strategy in the context of commitments under the programme for a partnership Government. While my Department does not operate a specific rural resettlement programme, the recently published Rebuilding Ireland includes a range of measures supportive of the regeneration and renewal of towns and villages throughout rural Ireland, consequently ensuring a vibrant population in these places. As the Senator stated, there can be positive outcomes, and more than 800 families have been relocated with great success over the years, mainly from Dublin, to many of the counties he mentioned including Clare, Mayo, Leitrim, Roscommon, Sligo and Galway. I know some of the families who later relocated to my county of Meath. They were delighted to have had the opportunity to relocate from Dublin to Roscommon. It is important that we have an opportunity for this to happen. It makes total sense to facilitate people in unsatisfactory or temporary accommodation in Dublin who would like to resettle. I am very interested in trying to achieve this. We are interested in promoting a scheme such as this.

It is our aim that steps are taken to secure the reuse of vacant and underutilised properties for residential purposes, particularly in the many towns and villages in rural Ireland that contain a significant number of empty houses. Action 5.1 of the action plan relates to the development of a national vacant housing reuse strategy. The strategy will examine the potential for bringing existing but vacant housing back into beneficial use. I intend to examine mechanisms to match such accommodation potential to prospective applicants for social housing, through measures such as the repair and leasing initiative, which will see upfront financial assistance being made available to upgrade empty but substandard accommodation in return for leasing back the property for social housing purposes. We also intend to examine the potential to widen the geographical range of social housing location options available to persons seeking such accommodation. This ties in with what the Senator said. Perhaps people on a waiting list in Dublin would be happy to relocate to a vacant property in Roscommon, Leitrim or Clare. This would benefit the local community because it would create activity for shops, schools and transport. Everybody would gain, provided it is by choice. We will try to make this an option to make it happen.

Acquisition and leasing options are also available to local authorities to ensure that households needing accommodation may be provided with such accommodation. Rural Resettlement Ireland, RRI, mentioned by Senator Conway, has done a great job. Recently, Mr. Jim Connolly of RRI met departmental officials to speak about the history of the organisation and its recent work and to be part of policy-making on rural regeneration and housing. We had a successful meeting and more meetings are planned. We recognise his expertise in this area and what the organisation has achieved over the years. RRI was established in 1991 to encourage and assist families to relocate to depopulated rural areas. In 1993 it received approved housing body status under section 6 of the Housing (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1992 and over the years since then it has received capital funding of more than €5.81 million under the capital assistance scheme and the capital loan and subsidy scheme. This capital funding was used to accommodate 21 households in County Clare and households in other areas. In addition, RRI received a total of €1.26 million in grant aid, of which the most recent instalment of €10,000 was paid in 2012, towards administrative support for the provision of advice, research, training and other supports in its endeavours to assist families to relocate to depopulated rural areas. Recently I watched an episode of "Nationwide" which featured some of these families. It was clear they had a very successful outcome. This was because of the work put in and the support and research provided. It is a big move for anyone to leave a city with which they are familiar, such as Dublin or Cork, and move to a rural area. Those of us familiar with rural Ireland understand how great it can be, but it can be a big change. It is important work is done with the families.

The Department’s allocation for grant aid funding was significantly reduced in 2012, and grant in aid is now prioritised for those applicant organisations which contribute most significantly to meeting national housing objectives. RRI was advised on receipt of its grant of €10,000 in 2012 that, given resource constraints, it was unlikely the Department would be in a position to provide further funding to it under that scheme. However, to guarantee that the rental properties supported by RRI are sustainably managed and maintained, fees for the management and maintenance of capital loan and subsidy scheme supported properties continue to be available to it, subject to compliance with the relevant terms and conditions. These fees, together with loan and interest charges, amounted to more than €696,000 over the past five years.

I assure the House the Government is committed to ensuring that rural towns and villages are not forgotten in our ongoing implementation of Rebuilding Ireland. The development of a rural resettlement programme will be considered further, in conjunction with the Department of Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, in the context of taking forward these measures, the details of which are set out in the action plan. We are committed to this. It is something that makes total sense. If 100, 200 or 1,000 people who today are in emergency accommodation and on a waiting list would like to move to a rural area we should facilitate it, particularly when there are vacant properties in the high streets of towns and villages which need to be used. It would breathe some life back into these rural areas and give them a chance to maintain the services they have.

I thank the Minister of State for endorsing the ethos of the case I have made. I am delighted a positive meeting was held between departmental officials and Jim Connolly of Rural Resettlement Ireland, who is based in Kilbaha in west Clare. I hope the meetings in the new year will be even more positive, because Rural Resettlement Ireland has a proven track record going back to the early 1990s. It certainly has expertise, which the Minister of State has recognised. It can play a significant part in the housing crisis which bedevils the country at present. I will bring up with the Leader on the Order of Business that in February or March we will have statements in the House on rural resettlement, at which stage the Minister of State might have developed a more advanced policy platform, with targets for rural resettlement. Rural Resettlement Ireland has a role to play not only in developing this new policy but also in implementing it. I thank the Minister of State for one of the more comprehensive responses to a Commencement matter debate the House has had in some time.

This is what we are trying to do. It is about having rural regeneration. The Government is very focused on this and taking the lead will be the Ministers, Deputies Heather Humphreys and Simon Coveney, along with the Minister of State, Deputy Michael Ring and myself. There is a chance that in an effort to solve some of the housing situation with the housing budget we can fund rural regeneration. It makes sense that if people want to relocate that we would facilitate it at the very least.

Jim Connolly understands the necessity of rural regeneration, which includes housing. I chair an urban renewal working group, which includes small villages and towns, and we are examining a range of plans to breathe some life back into rural areas which have suffered decline not only for the past seven or eight years but perhaps for 20 or 30 years. If we look at the Westport example, where over 20 years there was investment of more than €180 million in a logical and planned way, we can see the difference it has made in those 20 years. We need the same type of plans for other rural areas and villages throughout the country. This is what we are trying to do through the Department, the working group I chair, and the Minister, Deputy Simon Coveney, to drive the action plan. We are working with the Minister, Deputy Heather Humphreys, the Minister of State, Deputy Michael Ring, and other Departments to address this and put in place long-term sustainable plans to rebuild rural areas. I am very familiar with many towns and villages throughout the country which, over 20 or 30 years, have suffered decline. We need to have a plan to bring them back, which means having an economic plan and a vision.

The first question often concerns the economic future, the best way to create jobs and how to give people a reason to live in an area. That is key. We are very clear. The housing budget comprises €5.5 billion of taxpayers' money in the next three or four years. We can use that funding quite cleverly to solve many problems, including the housing problem, and help rural Ireland. That is what we will try to do.

Search and Rescue Service Provision

I thank the Minister of State for taking this Commencement matter.

Sub aqua clubs engaged in underwater search and recovery provide a vital service at a time of great heartbreak for many people. Much of their work focuses on cases where the time for a rescue has passed and the focus is on recovery of a deceased person in order that a body can be returned to a family.

By its very nature, search and recovery is very costly. Equipment required for search and recovery operations needs to be of a high quality and durable and includes diving suits, diving communication units, other technologies, boats and the cost of training, all of which are extremely expensive. This equipment is currently being funded by clubs across the country through voluntary contributions.

I recently met members of the Roscommon Sub Aqua Club which is one example of a sub-aqua club in real need of funding and support. It is one of the largest in the new affiliated grouping in the midlands, with 14 fully-registered divers to support the Irish Coast Guard. Each diver has to be in the water regularly in order to ensure their bodies are conditioned for deep sea diving and to meet standards required to engage in search and recovery operations.

Members of the club have told me that, for example, their boat has to be on the water every week in order to support training and search and recovery operations. The club currently has a 13 year old boat which is completely unsuitable for the work it carries out. I have been told it is not fit for purpose. A new rescue boat would cost approximately €70,000, which the voluntary club simply cannot afford. However, it is a cost that needs to be met in order to further support the vital work carried out by t his club and others across the country.

In the past three months alone, the club has been involved in three separate search and recovery operations. One recent incident involved a number of people who got into difficulties while out on water in rough conditions. The Roscommon Sub Aqua Club was called in and was involved in a recovery operation which lasted approximately 20 days. The cost of this operation amounted to €100 per hour in fuel costs alone.

It is clear that the operations in which it is involved are extremely costly, yet the service provided is invaluable and priceless for the families affected. Roscommon Sub Aqua Club and other clubs need to be supported by the Government. Page 52 of A Programme for a Partnership Government states: "We recognise the need for a grant aid scheme for underwater search and recovery, in line with the state support currently available to mountain search and rescue."

The members of the Roscommon Sub Aqua Club and others across the country are very committed and carry out their work to a very high standard. They carry out very important work which involves very high risk. The value of the service to families cannot be underestimated.

A situation where clubs like Roscommon Sub Aqua Club have to spend a significant amount of their time fundraising to support vital operations means they cannot be where they need to be, namely, effective in terms of supporting the Irish Coast Guard. Therefore, I call on the Minister of State to provide an update on plans to introduce the grant aid scheme for underwater search and recovery, in line with the commitment in A Programme for a Partnership Government.

Following discussions with various Departments over the past number of months, I am aware this issue is within the remit of the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Deputy Shane Ross. I also ask that the Minister of State make the Minister very aware of the demands being placed on Roscommon Sub Aqua Club and others right across the country and to support the vital work they do.

I thank Senator Hopkins for raising this very important Commencement matter which concerns Roscommon Sub Aqua Club and other clubs all over the country and the great work they do. I am taking this Commencement matter on behalf of the Minister for Transport. Tourism and Sport, Deputy Shane Ross.

The Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport has recently been assigned responsibility for this matter under A Programme for a Partnership Government. I take the opportunity to clarify the Department’s role in regard to search and rescue. The Irish Coast Guard, as a division of the Department, has the delegated responsibility for maritime search and rescue. The Irish Coast Guard provides maritime search and rescue through its three rescue co-ordination centres and dedicated search and rescue units. These search and rescue units comprise the search and rescue helicopters and Coast Guard volunteer units. Search and rescue units are also declared to the Coast Guard from the RNLI with which the Irish Coast Guard has a very close working relationship.

As is recommended practice worldwide, search and rescue in Ireland is built upon the rescue centres listening for and receiving distress messages and responding to, sending and co-ordinating search and rescue units to the scene of an incident. The Irish Coast Guard uses the search and rescue helicopters, Coast Guard volunteer units and RNLI lifeboats to respond to vessels or persons in distress at sea.

The network of search and rescue units has been built up over many years and today provides a first-class response to persons and vessels in distress. The location, distribution and response services provided with these resources are kept under review, with a view to development and improvement in the delivery of search and rescue services. In addition, the Irish Coast Guard engages and co-operates with neighbouring states as part of the global search and rescue system. Irish Coast Guard volunteers, search and rescue helicopters, rescue co-ordination centres and full-time Irish Coast Guard staff are managed and funded on foot of the Department's responsibility to provide and support search and rescue services in line with Ireland’s international commitment.

Turning specifically to the matter of underwater search and rescue, I should state that owing to the very recent assignment of responsibility to the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport I understand there has not been an opportunity for any in-depth analysis to take place. On initial examination of the matter, it should be pointed out that to draw a comparison between underwater search and rescue and mountain rescue is not quite as simplistic as it may appear.

Mountain rescue is carried out by dedicated mountain rescue teams who are declared resources to An Garda Síochána to aid in the search for missing persons, in addition to assisting those who get into difficulty on our hills and mountains. There is a systematic procedure involved for their tasking and there is no other entity in the State directly tasked with this responsibility. Mountain rescue teams are charitable organisations run by volunteers. They are in receipt of modest grants from the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport which do not purport to cover all costs associated with the running of the teams.

The Department does not exercise any operational oversight of mountain rescue teams owing to the fact that they are search and rescue resources and are tasked directly by An Garda Síochána. Responsibility for the recovery of bodies underwater rests with An Garda Síochána and the dedicated Garda water unit. The Garda authorities may request the assistance of Irish Naval Service divers. They may also seek the support of the Coast Guard, including the helicopter service, full-time Coast Guard staff and volunteers. The Coast Guard does not undertake diving activities. If necessary, specialist commercial diving resources may also be deployed.

These arrangements reflect the inherent risks involved in this type of activity. The Irish Coast Guard, when acting in support of An Garda Síochána in underwater recovery, does not as a general rule, request or avail of the assistance of divers who turn up at the scene of a maritime incident as a result of media coverage. In fact, in 2016 the Irish Coast Guard entered into an agreement with the Irish Underwater Council, the national governing body for recreational underwater sports, in order to clarify that the responsibility to manage such club divers rests with the Irish Underwater Council.

In the light of the above, and specifically the recreational aspect, it is important that this matter is thoroughly analysed and researched, in particular the relationship to the health and safety diving regulations and recreational divers, with a view to investigating fully the provision of funding to entities which the Department would not generally task with undertaking search and recovery on behalf of the State.

I very much appreciate the Minister of State's response on behalf of the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Deputy Shane Ross. I emphasise, however, that I am not particularly happy with it. It seems as if there has just been an initial examination of the matter and the outcome is not particularly positive. It is stated: "On initial examination of the matter, it should be pointed out that to draw a comparison between underwater search and recovery and mountain rescue is not quite as simplistic a similarity as it may appear." However, this falls within A Programme for a Partnership Government. We are talking about affiliated volunteers who complete training to meet standards to engage in search and recovery operations throughout the country. They need equipment to support these operations, but it is very costly. They need to be supported properly. They are committed individuals who, in co-operation with the Irish Coast Guard, wish to engage heavily in whatever operation they are called on to participate. I cannot accept the reply provided. Following a more in-depth examination of the matter by the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, I ask that we receive a proper update on plans to introduce a grant aid scheme. We have a written commitment to recognise the important work of the volunteers and their need for financial assistance and support. I am not at all satisfied with the nature of the reply provided.

I will relay the Senator's concerns to the Minister. To be fair, he states he has only recently been assigned responsibility for this area in A Programme for a Partnership Government. As I noted, the Irish Coast Guard has a suite of options to which it will resort in the event that it is called on to support underwater recovery activities. In the first instance, such activities are the responsibility of An Garda Síochána which has its own diving team. Second, the Naval Service can be requested to act in aid of the civil power using its own diving teams and equipment. Additionally, if circumstances so require, commercial diving companies can be engaged and specialised equipment such as remotely operated underwater vehicles sourced. In some circumstances, it might be the case that the assistance of private citizens or recreational divers who are members of diving clubs might be availed of. However, because of the inherent risks to which I have referred, such assistance must, of necessity, be limited. These activities must be undertaken by properly trained and equipped professionals under appropriate supervision such as members of Naval Service or Garda diving teams.

I acknowledge that some of the equipment used is costly and that the people mentioned are volunteers. Perhaps the Senator might request permission for a delegation to meet the Minister or his officials or she might write to the Chairman of the Oireachtas committee to ask that the matter be discussed. The committee could invite representatives of local or national sub-aqua teams to attend a meeting to engage in a more detailed discussion when it might be possible to achieve all-party consensus on the matter. I was involved in securing a once-off grant for capital infrastructure from the Department under the then Minister, Deputy Leo Varadkar, for replacement of mountain rescue vehicles. Perhaps that avenue might also be explored.

Sitting suspended at 11.25 a.m. and resumed at 11.30 a.m.
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