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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 19 Oct 2023

Vol. 296 No. 9

Situation in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories: Statements (Resumed)

There is not much I can add to what has been said today other than to first of all share the outrage and horror of all right-thinking people at the latest outbreak of terror in Gaza and its consequences for the most vulnerable people. Nobody can be in any doubt that the Palestinian people in Gaza are in the grip of a terrorist group, Hamas, whose mutilation, murder and hostage-taking is unconscionable and must be part of every conversation about what ought to, should and can happen into the future.

Just as clearly, how Israel responds to such provocations can never escape scrutiny. We have to engage with the reality that the existence of the people in Gaza and the occupied territories is a very cruel one indeed. While we must always unequivocally accept the right of the Israeli people to defend themselves and support them in that, no state can ever go unchallenged on the question of whether it is engaging with the long-established principles governing whether a war is just and how a war, when there has to be war, can be prosecuted justly. They are long-established principles, not just in the Judeo-Christian tradition but going back to the ancient Greeks. It is never a luxury to reflect on things like proportionality, the ability of the response to deal with a threat and many other considerations that have to be grappled with in international forums.

As a small country, Ireland can feel very powerless. We are part of a wider European Union response mostly, although these days I think it is fair to say that Ireland's distinctive voice is being heard to some degree on this issue. While I am not always sure about whether it is appropriate for our President to speak in a given context, I think he was at least partially right in some of the sentiments he expressed recently.

I remind Senators that when discussing the President, whether for him or against him, they have to be very cautious.

I am always cautious-----

-----and I am not in any way holding him to account.

I thank the Senator.

I want to conclude on a practical point. It may seem like a very small effort, but one of the things that has been very good about our response to the refugee crisis in recent years has been community sponsorship, which has enabled communities to operate together to bring Afghan refugees, for example, the families of judges and women judges, to safety with their families in our country. I understand that this is also operated - in fact, I know this is operated - in the case of Syrian refugees as well.

As it happens, I know of one community that is in a position to bring to safety a family trapped in the south of Gaza, a family who would not be a security threat to our State - it is very legitimate to always consider that dimension of issues too - and that wants to help. I would like to ask the Minister of State, and maybe I ought to know if there is already, whether there is a possibility of operating something along the community sponsorship model to bring people in Gaza to safety where it is possible for them to get out if they are appropriate people to assist, namely, innocent civilians, and where there is a realistic community possibility in Ireland to bring such families to safety. Is that already possible? Is this something the Government will consider now in light of the unique circumstances that prevail in Gaza? Right now, people are in immediate danger of their lives. Whether we call it collateral damage, unjust collective punishment or the unwitting endangerment of innocent civilians does not matter to the people who might be most vulnerable. Is it possible to look at whether that could operate in light of the current circumstances were it possible for them to get out and were it possible to be processed in an acceptable way? No matter what happens in the coming weeks, life in Gaza is not something that can be compared with normal living, as we all know. I would be very grateful if that is a response the Minister of State can give either now or if I can engage with him. This is a question I should have been asking anyway, but it is coming on the back of a particular inquiry I received and with which I want to help.

Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire Stáit. In the context of this debate, it is important, as many have done in this House, to express our strong solidarity with the people of Israel and the people of Palestine who are going through untold horrors at present. The approach as outlined by the Tánaiste has been correct and measured. It is key to avoiding further escalation that we look for a ceasefire and that international law would be followed. I agree with Senator Moynihan. There was much hope when the Oslo Accords were originally signed that this would be a signpost towards attaining peace in the Middle East. This State has always supported the concept of a two-state solution, recognising the right of Palestine to its own statehood but also, very importantly, recognising the State of Israel. It is important that we maintain strong diplomatic relations with both and that we do whatever we can as a small nation both on our own and, indeed, as part of multilateral organisations such as the European Union and United Nations to support peace in that area.

In supporting solidarity with the Palestinians and noting very clearly their oppression, which there has been by Israel and that needs to be called out, I must also say that they have also been oppressed by Hamas. Hamas is no friend of the Palestinian people. Even in the context of a fully independent Palestine, and this is something to look at in the future, how can we ensure that the Palestinian people will be able to fulfil their full potential? They certainly will not do it under the influence of Hamas or Islamic Jihad.

The question needs to be asked as to why Hamas chose to attack as it did most brutally, the horrors of which were outlined by my colleagues, including Senator Clifford-Lee. Part of the reason that Hamas chose to attack right now was because of moves by Israel to normalise relations with other Arab countries. Hamas did not want to see Israel and Saudi Arabia have more normalised relations. That was very clear. Hamas's objective - its end game is very clear - is that it wants to wipe out the State of Israel. Hamas will not be satisfied until it destroys not just the State of Israel but every single person who is living in Israel. The brutality of its attacks on 7 October very clearly show that.

In seeking a ceasefire, and the humanitarian passage that has opened at the Rafah crossing is correct and to be welcomed, we also have to ensure that it is not just Israel that stops. While I strongly encourage the Israeli Government to stop any of its military action, we must also ensure that Hamas stops and will not continue to fire rockets into Israel and equally, that it releases the 200 hostages it is holding. These hostages are not just adults. As Senator Clifford-Lee said, there are young children who are being held hostage. Those who ally with Hamas need to know exactly who it is they are allying with. If we demand a ceasefire, which we do in order that peace talks can resume, we need to be able to ensure that Hamas will be forced to honour that ceasefire.

I will make one other point that is vitally important. In this time of difficulty, we are seeing in this country and around Europe the rise of antisemitism and Islamophobia; an intolerance of people because of who they are and what they believe. That is dangerous. It is being whipped up by people on the extremes. It is critical that as part of our education process, we talk about the importance of people being able to live together and work as closely as possible. I agree with some of Senator Mullen's suggestions in terms of safe passage to people here, but we also need to look at ways of capacity-building among ordinary Israelis and Palestinians to get them to work together to understand the homeland they share.

Much of our peace process, which was, as many people have said, not perfect, was done by ordinary citizens and civic society from the different traditions coming together and working together.

There have been many fine speeches this morning and a great many points have been covered. I really just want to make one. I commend the Tánaiste's speech and those of people like Senators McDowell and Black, but we have arrived at a good motion. It is a motion that this House can support and that the majority of those in the Lower House could support last night. It is possible and legitimate to be against terrorism, against the denial of human and civil rights and against apartheid. That is the space we should be moving forward on because, over recent weeks, there has been a rush to create sides, to put people on them and to generate a kind of "gotcha" culture or energy as to who believes what and what values they have. The energy that we, as Ireland, must show is the one that stands to our experience. We know what it is like for ordinary people to suffer and we must play our role in the de-escalation, in bringing about a ceasefire, in upholding international law and in coming to an agreement that supports the ordinary people of both Israel and Palestine. We have memory and experience and that is in the Good Friday Agreement. If we are going to be an outlier, that is the outlier position we should take. We have experience of an international peace agreement after a conflict that saw thousands of people needlessly die and that has left a legacy we are still living with today. After the last couple of weeks of sides and trying to put people in boxes, today we have said that we are against terrorism, the denial of human and civil rights, apartheid and indiscriminate attacks. We in this country stand for peace so let us move forward together on that.

There is an eerie silence around here today because we are all genuinely in deep shock after what has happened recent events. You look at the blood-splattered faces of kids on the TV, whether they are in Israel or Gaza, and you see them holding on to one another so tightly with fear written all over their faces. I have kept some of those pictures and every night, no matter what time I get finished, I look at them. It just rips me apart. I advise the Minister of State to go back to that because you then realise that it is adults who are doing this to children and to women.

One good thing has come out of our debates, which is a realisation that Hamas is no friend of the Palestinian people. I remind the Minister of State - I hope I have the dates right on this - that it was 2006 when Hamas came to power in Gaza. Who did it oust? It ousted the Palestinians. That should be remembered. There was an election, although there are question marks over it, but Hamas ousted the Palestinian people, whom they now claim to represent. If you read about that Hamas Government and its goings on, you will see it does not make for pretty reading. It is time that this country realised that Hamas is a very evil organisation.

This goes wider, however. It goes wider from past times. We should remember people like Yasser Arafat and the former Israeli Prime Minister, Yitzhak Rabin, today. They came so close to peace with the Oslo agreements. Times are different now. I believe that the hands of Iran and, stretching further, those of Russia are becoming involved in this. As a parliamentarian in this House, I cannot go outside the gates on Kildare Street to show support for the Iranian women and then come in here and refuse to recognise the damage Hamas is doing. It is a total contradiction. That should be remembered. You cannot stand on a platform and talk about the terrible and appalling things that are happening to women in Iran, which everyone in this House agrees are shocking, and say that we are with those women before coming in here and subtly denying that Hamas is causing untold damage. It is also very interesting that, this year, for the first time in six or seven years, Hamas visited Russia and met top Russian people. I would like to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting.

I warn people within the confines of this House that we are living in extremely dangerous times. We cannot be without hope, however. This morning, the Tánaiste spoke a women's movement for peace in Israel. Perhaps that could happen on the Palestinian side as well. We have to realise that, in the coming months, the story of how Israeli women and children were killed will only develop. The hairs will stand on our heads when some of these stories come out. We have not had the full story yet. It is going to shock us all and leave a lot of people traumatised. I again refer back to looking at those pictures in the paper of poor innocent boys and girls holding onto one another. Their lives are totally destroyed and they will never get over this. It is a shame. We make so much of children's rights in this world and yet this is happening. In many respects, the saddest thing about it is that the world seems helpless to do much about it. It is a terrible and worrying situation but we cannot be without hope. We have to live with hope and work to make peace. Most politicians, including our Tánaiste and the Government, have been pretty level-headed and even-handed on this. That is very important at this point in time. The final thing I will say is that we now see what Hamas is up to. I know I have said this before but I will repeat that it is not friend of the Palestinian people.

A Robert Burns poem from 1784 reads:

Man's inhumanity to man,

Makes countless thousands mourn.

Today, in 2023, it is deeply disturbing and depressing to think that we are talking about such real-time and immediate inhumanity of man to man. This inhumanity and these atrocities have convulsed the Middle East and revulsed those of us in the West who value human life and basic human rights. I thank the Minister of State for being here. This House offers its deepest condolences and sympathies to the ordinary people of Palestine and Israel. I believe the Seanad unanimously and unequivocally condemns the atrocities that have been and are being committed in Palestine and Israel. Ireland has a unique voice in the international community. We are a very small county but we have a unique history. The international community must take really decisive action to assert and protect human rights, to absolutely condemn the war crimes that have been committed and to seek independent investigation and effective prosecution of all crimes that have been committed.

I commend the announcement by the Tánaiste and the Government regarding the provision of additional humanitarian aid, but we must use our strength as a country and our place in the international context to ensure that every power and resource to obtain a ceasefire, ensure that humanitarian aid is provided and establish some semblance of peace so that there can be respect for diversity and a basis from which a two-state solution can be pursued.

I thank the Minister of State for his time and urge him and the Government to keep up the work and the pressure for the ordinary people of Palestine and Israel.

I thank Senators for their attention and valuable contributions today. I echo the horror expressed by all Members at the tragedy enfolding in Israel and Gaza as we speak. I think I can say that the level of brutality and bloodshed we have witnessed over the past few days has left us all shaken. I restates that I unequivocally condemn the attacks by Hamas on Israel and the systematic targeting of civilians, including young children and the elderly. Unfortunately, as Senators will all be aware, a young Irish woman was killed in the first wave of the Hamas violence. The loss of Kim Damti is truly heartbreaking. I offer my sincere condolences to her family, who happen to be immediate neighbours of mine in County Laois. The family is from a village called Coolrain. I know many members of her family, but I did not know Kim or her mother personally. It is a tragedy felt right across Ireland. I also acknowledge the heartbreaking story of Emily Hand's father on television. All I can say is that it says it all. I understand that up to 28 members of the extended family of Yara Alagha here in the Oireachtas and her sister Lara have been killed in the past ten days so it hits all of us no matter where you are in the world.

As the Tánaiste and the Taoiseach have made clear, the actions of Hamas were vile and barbaric but we need to distinguish between Hamas and Palestinian civilians in Gaza. We cannot seek collective punishment of the civilian population for the crimes of Hamas. Over the past week, we have witnessed horrific bombardment of Gaza, which has left thousands dead and many more wounded. Over 1 million people were given an order to evacuate north Gaza by the Israeli military. This is simply not workable and impracticable. The number of civilian deaths is increasing. We watched the horror of the appalling strike on the hospital in Gaza on Tuesday night. Many civilians - patients, staff and those seeking shelter - have died as a result of that. The full facts must be established and those responsible must be held to account. We do not know the full facts on this issue yet.

I agree with the sentiments expressed by many Senators regarding the continued bombardment of Gaza. Israel has the right to defend itself and its people from attack but it is critical that this be done within the parameters of the law. International humanitarian law and the principle of proportionality exist for a very good reason. They are universally applicable for this reason. The overarching aim is to limit the inhumanity of war, including by protecting civilians. This has been the Tánaiste's message to all his counterparts in Europe and in the region with whom he has been speaking over the past week or so. It will be my message to my counterparts as well. However heinous the attack that prompted the right of self-defence, namely, the initial attack by Hamas on communities in Israel, we are obligated to protect civilians. Attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure are a breach of international humanitarian law. In the law of armed conflict, there is no hierarchy of pain and suffering. The rules of war exist to help humanity in its darkest moments. It is crucial that those rules are followed today. They are and should remain our compass to ensure we put humanity first. The rules are clear and apply to all sides in all conflicts everywhere - state and non-state armed groups alike.

Another key condition beyond the ongoing bombardment affecting civilians and the risk of further action is the lack of basic resources available to the civilians in Gaza as a result of the continued restrictions preventing necessities from entering the area. I have seen increasingly worrying reports in the past few days regarding the hardships faced by civilians in Gaza. The Tánaiste mentioned his call with the commissioner general of UNWRA, who has described the situation on the ground in Gaza as an unprecedented humanitarian catastrophe. I understand that many in Gaza are without access to the basics of water and electricity and that many hundreds of thousands have been displaced from their homes. We are seeing the terrible humanitarian consequences. Our partners in Gaza have informed us that the situation is dire and likely to worsen in the coming days unless aid arrives fast. I echo the Tánaiste's call for a humanitarian ceasefire and pause to allow aid to reach those who are now in desperate need in the Gaza region. Humanitarian corridors must be established as a matter of urgency in order that vital humanitarian assistance can be delivered to Palestinian civilians. It is extremely important that this happens immediately.

As Minister of State for international development, I am proud to confirm that it remains Ireland's firm stance that our support for those most vulnerable through the development and humanitarian activities in the occupied Palestinian territory must be maintained and increased. The support provides a crucial source for interim and longer term stability. We do not support the suspension of aid to the Palestinian people. Our assistance programme this year was to amount to €16 million. It will be almost double that after the Tánaiste's announcement yesterday of a further €13 million in light of the extensive needs in Gaza. Ireland's assistance programme to the Palestinians has been in existence since 2000. Only last week, I met 32 Palestinian students who are here to do a master's degree course under a fellowship programme and have just commenced a year of studies in Ireland. It is important that we maintain those links. This is happening every year and we are increasing the numbers. It is not just for Palestine. A group of about 160 arrived this year and the largest numbers attending on this occasion were Palestinian and Vietnamese. Our funding for this year amounts to €29 million and is more important than ever. This will continue. The support goes primarily through UN organisations such as UNWRA.

Ireland's support to the Palestinian people builds capacity through the provision of quality education and contributing to ensuring that human rights and accountability are upheld, that humanitarian relief is provided to those in need and that the needs of the Palestinian refugees are met. We all know the level of aid people in the Gaza Strip receive each year from international aid programmes, including our programme, is phenomenal compared with the level of income they have from their own resources. It must be one of the poorest countries in the world when you take that into account.

I am very glad to hear the announcement that the EU's humanitarian funding to Palestine will be tripled to a total of €75 million. Although the Commission is reviewing development assistance to the Palestinian people, I welcome its confirmation that no payments will be suspended while this review is ongoing. The review should be completed as soon as possible.

EU member states are united in condemning the Hamas attack on Israel and insisting that Israel's response must be within the parameters of international humanitarian law. This has been clearly outlined by all EU leaders. The EU has a key role to play. Our common foreign and security policy, which all member states share and are required by the treaties to implement, is based on the clear statement that the Union's actions on the international scene shall be guided by the principles of the UN charter and international law. Across the EU, every member state has issued statements of condolences to Israel and condemnation of the attacks by Hamas and we are united in this. The EU needs to achieve and be actively engaged in all international discussions to resolve this crisis. We can do this and can only be in any way relevant with a clear and unanimous message. We need to move towards de-escalation as early as possible.

The potential for wider regional conflict is incredibly high. It is dangerous and must be avoided.

On 10 October, an extraordinary meeting of the EU Foreign Affairs Council, at which ministers unanimously condemned the attack and reasserted Israel's right to defend itself in line with international law, was held. The Tánaiste highlighted the protection of civilians as the most immediate priority, universal responsibility of proportionality and the need to consider humanitarian corridors and the continuation of humanitarian aid at this critical time. Ministers discussed the European Commission's review of development assistance to Palestinians and, as humanitarian access will be critical in preventing the loss of even more lives, the Tánaiste underlined the importance of ensuring access to humanitarian aid in Gaza. The issue of safe passage for some people in that area has been mentioned in this debate. The Senator can contact me later. I will not know the answer until I receive specific details. It is essential that UN agencies, most crucially the UNWRA, are not part of any review being carried out and that they continue with the life saving work they can do in Gaza.

There is a significant level of public interest in this crisis - we will all be surprised by that - as evidenced by the solidarity marches in many cities across the world. It is appropriate that the Oireachtas should also express itself on this matter. I was impressed by one person I listened to this morning on social media, namely, Mohamed Salah, who is a famous Egyptian soccer player. His message was simple: stop the killing and let the relief supplies through. More than 130 million people have listened to that message this morning already. It is good to see civil society and people who are in a position to influence others being so clear and upfront in what they say about this. As we all know, one of the first casualties in every war is truth. We have all seen a lot of misinformation on social media. It is good to hear someone in his position commenting. Perhaps some of the people who listen to him do not listen to debates in houses of parliament and it is good that message is being delivered clearly across the world.

I do not know whether the up to 500 members of the Defence Forces who are in Lebanon on UN peacekeeping missions were mentioned much in the debate. We have a strong tradition of peacekeeping. Since we became involved 60 years ago, there has not been a single day when there were no members of the Defence Forces on missions as part of our peacekeeping tradition. They are respected in many places around the world. We acknowledge the work they have done in this area over many years and hope that, in due course and as soon as possible, they can get back to normal activities. There is a heightened awareness about their security and we thank them for their work.

There has been a deep emotional reaction to the scenes we have witnessed. The Government will continue to support our citizens on the ground and call for a humanitarian pause, for the de-escalation of the crisis and for work towards a just and lasting peace.

Gabhaim buíochas leis an Aire Stáit I thank the Minister of State and Senators for their contributions.

Cuireadh an Seanad ar athló ar 11.53 a.m. go dtí 1 p.m., Dé Máirt, an 24 Deireadh Fómhair 2023.
The Seanad adjourned at 11.53 a.m. until 1 p.m. on Tuesday, 24 October 2023.
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