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Seanad Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 13 Feb 2024

Vol. 298 No. 11

Social Welfare and Civil Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2023: Second Stage

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

I am very pleased to have the opportunity to discuss this Bill with Senators today. The purpose of the Bill is to change the means test for social welfare payments so that child maintenance payments will no longer be assessed as means, remove the liable relative provisions from social welfare legislation and change the supports provided to newly arriving beneficiaries of temporary protection who are resident in designated accommodation centres.

Two key elements of the Bill, which relate to child maintenance and the liable relative provisions, stem from the Report of the Child Maintenance Review Group. As Members are aware, in line with a programme for Government commitment, the Government set up the review group to consider and make recommendations on the current treatment of child maintenance payments in the Department of Social Protection, the current provisions regarding liable relatives managed by the Department and the establishment of a child maintenance agency in Ireland.

The group’s report was published in November 2022 and the Government accepted its three recommendations with regard to the social welfare system. The first such recommendation relates to the so-called "efforts to seek maintenance" requirement. Previously, recipients of the one-parent family payment and jobseeker’s transitional payment were required to prove to my Department that they had made efforts to seek maintenance from their child’s other parent. Often, this required parents to go to court who would not have done so otherwise. The Government accepted the group’s recommendation to abolish this requirement. As a result, my Department, on an administrative basis, stopped applying this requirement from late 2022. Last year, I signed regulations to remove the requirement from the Statute Book. I know this requirement was something that could cause additional stress for lone parents. As such, I am very pleased to have removed that requirement. It is a progressive step.

The other two recommendations made by the review group were to change the means tests for social welfare payments so that child maintenance payments are no longer assessed as means, and to remove the liable relatives provisions from social welfare legislation. The Government also accepted these recommendations and both are provided for in the Bill. The combined effect of these three measures will be to decouple child maintenance from the social welfare system.

I am very pleased to be providing for a significant change to social welfare means tests. This change will be of benefit to lone parents who, as we all know, are a very vulnerable group. I am changing the means test across all social assistance payments so that where a person is in receipt of a child maintenance payment, the amount of that payment will not be assessed against them. In doing this, we are taking the view that a child maintenance payment is for the child. As such, it should not have the effect of reducing their parent’s social assistance payment. I meet many lone parents in my work, as I am sure Members all do. I also met many lone parents when I worked in the credit union and I saw close-up how maintenance payments were very important to them. I often saw situations where the child maintenance payment was paid some weeks but not others. It was paid for one week, skipped for a few weeks and then maybe paid for another one. Sometimes, the full amount due might not be paid at all. I know this causes difficulties for people within the social welfare system as they could be assessed as having a certain amount of maintenance, which they might never actually receive. That is why this is a really important change. We are removing that difficulty and worry by not assessing the child maintenance payment at all. In some cases, people will receive a higher payment as a result of this measure. In other cases, it will mean that people will now qualify for a payment for the first time. We estimate that this measure will be of direct benefit to approximately 16,000 lone parents at a cost of some €10 million per annum.

The Government also accepted the group’s third recommendation, which was that the liable relative provisions should be removed from the social welfare code. Where a person is in receipt of the one-parent family payment, the liable relative provisions provide the Department of Social Protection with a legislative basis to assess the child’s other parent. The Department can then issue a determination order for that other parent to pay a contribution towards the costs of the scheme. I should clarify that under the liable relative provisions, the Department is not arranging maintenance but ensuring, where possible, that where there is a one-parent family payment in place, the other parent makes a financial contribution towards the cost to the State of providing that support. These provisions are being revoked by this Bill. This means that the Department will no longer seek to recoup a portion of claim costs from the non-resident parent in these cases. On an administrative basis, the liable relative provisions have not been applied to new claims for one-parent family payment since the Government decided to revoke the provisions in late 2022. In 2022, cash receipts to the Department as a result of activity carried out under the liable relative provisions amounted to less than €400,000. That is in the context of expenditure on the one-parent family payment of approximately €614 million in that year. Parents have obligations under family law with regard to the maintenance of their children. Nothing in this Bill cuts across those obligations in any way. It is important to stress that.

The child maintenance review group was also tasked with considering issues with regard to the establishment of a child maintenance agency. The group considered and discussed that issue at great length. The submissions to the consultation process and the position in some other countries were also examined in detail. In the end, there was no consensus among the group with regard to the establishment of a child maintenance agency. This matter falls under the remit of the Department of Justice. It is not within the scope of this Bill.

The Minister for Justice is bringing forward a number of measures to reform the family law system in respect of child maintenance. A recent report, Review of the Enforcement of Child Maintenance Orders, set out 26 recommendations. One of these is the establishment of a group to devise a set of child maintenance guidelines for the courts. Such guidelines will be hugely beneficial by removing some of the uncertainty attached to the process of obtaining or making a child maintenance payment. Taken together, the changes to the social welfare system and the family law system represent significant improvements for lone parents and their children.

The third aspect of this Bill relates to the supports provided to newly arrived beneficiaries of temporary protection who are resident in designated accommodation centres. The changes we are bringing in with this Bill will more closely align us with other EU member states. We will of course continue to meet Ireland’s obligations under the temporary protection directive. As a result of these new arrangements, newly arrived beneficiaries of the directive who are living in designated accommodation centres will receive a new weekly payment of €38.80 in line with the daily expenses allowance paid to people in direct provision. This payment will be administered by the Department of Social Protection on behalf of the Department of Children, Equality, Integration, Disability and Youth.

As I mentioned earlier, the Bill is in three Parts. Part 1 sets out the preliminary and general provisions and encompasses sections 1 and 2. Part 2 provides for the removal of the liable relative provisions from the social welfare legislation. It also sets out the provisions required to change the social welfare means test such that child maintenance will no longer be assessed as means. It encompasses sections 3 to 8, inclusive. Part 3 sets out the provisions with regard to the supports for beneficiaries of temporary protection in sections 9 and 10.

I will now outline the provisions of the Bill section by section.

Section 1 provides for the Short Title, construction, and commencement.

Section 2 provides for the definition of relevant Acts that are referred to in the Bill. It defines “Minister” as the “Minister for Social Protection”. The “Principal Act” is defined as the “Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005”.

Section 3 provides for the definition of the “Act of 2015” for the purposes of Part 2 of the Bill. The “Act of 2015” is defined as the “Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2015”.

Section 4 amends the definition of “social welfare inspector” and the interpretation of “liable relative” to remove references to Part 12 of the Act. Part 12 sets out the "Liability to Maintain Family" provisions and is being repealed under section 7 of this Bill.

Section 5 removes a reference to Part 12 of the Act from the provisions relating to the role and duties of a social welfare inspector as set out in section 250 of the Act. Part 12 sets out the "Liability to Maintain Family" provisions and is being repealed under section 7 of this Bill. As a result of these provisions in sections 4 and 5, a social welfare inspector will no longer have any role regarding liable relatives.

Section 6 removes a reference to Part 12 of the Act from the provisions setting out the role and duties of deciding officers. As a result, deciding officers in the Department of Social Protection will have no role regarding liable relatives. Part 12 sets out the "Liability to Maintain Family" provisions and is being repealed under section 7 of this Bill.

Section 7 is a substantial amendment that repeals Part 12 of the Act, which sets out the “Liability to Maintain Family” provisions.

As a result, my Department will no longer seek to recoup a contribution from the other payment where a one-parent family payment is in place.

Section 8 provides for a number of amendments to ensure child maintenance payments are not assessed in the means tests for various social welfare schemes. The section inserts a new term “maintenance payment made to or in respect of a qualified child” into the Act and defines this to mean “any maintenance payment made to or in respect of a qualified child that may be prescribed”. Section 8 also provides for consequential amendments to the rules governing the calculation of means as set out in Schedule 3 to the Act such that child maintenance payments will no longer be assessed in the means tests for social assistance payments. This applies to a range of schemes such as jobseeker’s allowance, non-contributory pensions and, importantly, one-parent family payment and jobseeker’s transitional payment. Section 8 also defines the “Act of 2022” as the “Social Welfare Act 2022".

Section 9 amends the Social Welfare Acts to provide for changes in the support provided to beneficiaries of temporary protection who are resident in designated accommodation centres.

Can the Acting Chairperson indulge me for a few more minutes?

As quickly as you can make it.

I will make it as quick as I can.

You are doing a great job.

The current equivalence with Irish citizens in terms of accessing social welfare benefits will be removed for those beneficiaries of temporary protection who are resident in designated accommodation centres, while still meeting the standard set out in the directive.

Section 10 amends the International Protection Act 2015 to provide that beneficiaries of temporary protection with a valid permission under the directive to reside in the State will be entitled to the same social welfare benefits as Irish citizens, other than when that person is resident in a designated accommodation centre. Beneficiaries of temporary protection who are resident in a designated accommodation centre will instead receive a weekly payment to cover incidental expenses. As I mentioned, this will be €38.80 in line with the daily expenses allowance paid to people in direct provision. This payment will be administered by the Department of Social Protection on behalf of the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth.

Section 10 also provides for the definition of a “designated accommodation centre” as a premises so designated by the Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth. The section also provides that where the Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth is satisfied that a premises is suitable, he or she may designate it as such in writing. As soon as practicable after such a designation has been made, it should be published on a Government website.

I wish to advise Senators that I intend to bring forward an amendment on Committee Stage relating to the child benefit scheme. In budget 2024, the Government decided to extend the payment of child benefit to 18-year-olds who are in full-time education. This was one of my key priorities in the budget. With many children now starting primary school at five years old, together with the increase in pupils doing transition year, there has been an increase in the number of 18-year-olds who are still in secondary education. I believe the extension of child benefit to 18-year-olds who are in full-time education is a long-term change for the better and will support families across Ireland into the future. This is a significant change to the child benefit scheme. It requires technical and operational changes before implementation. We had originally provided that the change would take effect from 1 September this year. However, I am very pleased we will now be able to bring this important change in from May and I received approval from Government this morning to fast-track this measure. This change to the effective date requires a change to primary legislation and that is the amendment I intend to bring forward on Committee Stage.

The provisions of this Bill with respect to child maintenance and the liable relative provisions will have a positive impact on the lives of lone parents and their children. In addition to having a positive outcome in terms of poverty levels, the changes to the social welfare system will also remove aspects of the system which have been a cause of concern or anxiety to lone parents accessing our payments. These are very positive measures which modernise our system and make it more straightforward and less stressful for people to access and navigate.

The changes we are making with respect to the supports being provided to newly arrived beneficiaries of temporary protection resident in designated centres will ensure the sustainability of the system in the long term and will bring us in line with other EU countries. This will allow us to continue to welcome and support beneficiaries for as long as they continue to come here, something we all want to do.

I look forward to hearing Senators' contributions and I thank the Acting Chairperson for his indulgence.

While I was lenient, it was important that the Minister got to speak about the amendment she proposes to table on Committee Stage. Before we proceed, I welcome members of PDG Rotary Ireland and Dr. Aziz and his family to the Gallery. Tá fáilte romhaibh go léir.

I welcome the Minister to the House, and I wish her well with this Bill. It is a short, small Bill, but it is very important and it covers quite a considerable amount, given its size. I welcome the amendment the Minister will table relating to 18-year-olds. As she has rightly pointed out, many kids do not now start national school until they are five years of age and are still going to secondary school at 18 years of age. That is a very important amendment, and we will fully support it when it comes before the House on Committee Stage.

The Bill covers two main areas, namely, the two changes the Minister is making to social welfare systems. Child maintenance payments will no longer be assessed as means and there is the discontinuation of the liable relative provisions. Those are the two main provisions of the Bill, although it deals with other issues as well. Those are two very important issues.

The biggest issue in the courts at the moment is family law. The legal people tell me that nearly all legal cases relate to family law, maintenance, and you name it. All aspects of it are in the courts at the moment. This will help clear up a lot of it. The main thing is that the kids are not the losers in all of this and, as the Minister has said here, that the maintenance is going to be paid. The maintenance will be paid regardless of whether one or other of the spouses does not pay the maintenance. They are obligated to do that, of course, but heretofore, all this maintenance money was held up to families. I know for a fact that there are quite a considerable number of Members of this House who have themselves paid money to people who have come into their offices, who are in desperate situations and did not have enough money to buy a cup of tea. Members of the House paid. This will put an end to that. I compliment the Minister on bringing that forward because the main issue is that kids do not go hungry and this maintenance fee is paid to them. The Minister is to be congratulated on bringing that forward.

I welcome the Bill and I wish the Minister well. I hope the Bill passes speedily through the House on this Stage and Committee Stage. I wish her well with the Bill.

The Minister is very welcome to the Seanad. This is an important Bill and I very much welcome it. I will deal with a couple of issues before I address the Minister’s speech.

By amending the Social Welfare Acts to exclude the assessment of child maintenance payments from the social welfare means test, the Bill can potentially alleviate financial burdens on custodial parents and ensure children's welfare is not affected by such assessments. The repeal of provisions relating to liable relatives can simplify the social welfare system, removing complexities associated with holding relatives financially responsible for social welfare payments.

The Bill makes provisions for individuals granted permission to reside in the State under section 60(6) of the International Protection Act 2015, potentially offering supports and assistance to this specific group of individuals aligning with humanitarian and immigration consideration. This Bill includes provisions for the Short Title, construction and commencement, which can provide clarity and guidance on the application and interpretation of the amended provisions, thereby promoting legal certainty and consistency, especially relating to the International Protection Act 2015.

This legislation is long-awaited by custodial parents and I very much welcome it.

The Bill references the provision of certain matters relating to the individual granted permission to reside under the International Protection Act 2015, but without specific details, the potential impacts and practical implications of these provisions remain unclear. The proposed changes to the International Protection Act 2015 would disqualify certain individuals from receiving assistance specified in section 139(1) of the principal Act if they are resident in a designated accommodation centre. These changes will also amend section 60 of the International Protection Act 2015 to include the definition of a designated accommodation centre and specify the entitlements of individuals with valid permission to reside in the State.

There are concerns about accountability and implementation. The repeal of provisions relating to liable relatives may raise concerns about accountability for financial responsibilities within families, potentially shifting the burden onto social welfare systems and raising questions about equity.

The Bill’s impact on the broader legal and policy framework, including its implications for family law, child support and immigration policies, needs to be considered. Individuals with permission to reside in the State will be disqualified from certain social welfare benefits if they are resident in these accommodation centres. The changes to the International Protection Act may lead to a shift in the allocation of resources and funds within the social welfare system that could impact taxpayers, who will bear the burden of the additional costs associated with providing medical care and supplementary welfare allowances to such individuals, given that they fund these services through their contributions.

There are some ways in which these changes could be abused by individuals living in designated accommodation centres. There may be individuals who falsely declare their residency status in order to continue receiving benefits despite residing in designated accommodation centres. Without proper checks and monitoring, some individuals may attempt to exploit loopholes. Individuals could claim to have dual residency, providing false information about their living situations to continue receiving benefits from the designated accommodation centres and other sources. There is the possibility of collusion between individuals residing in designated accommodation centres and external parties where false information is provided to maintain eligibility for benefits. There may also be legal loopholes or ambiguities in the legislation that could be exploited by individuals or groups seeking to continue benefiting from the social welfare system despite the intended disqualifications outlined in the proposed changes. These changes could place additional strain on the Department of Social Protection’s staff working in the area of designated accommodation centres and related supports and welfare, including the citizens’ advice centres in various areas. The reductions in financial assistance may drive increased demand for assistance in other forms, including the supplementary welfare allowance, further stretching available resources. While I welcome the decrease, I wonder whether an assessment of HR and other costs has been carried out? It is essential that we have robust monitoring and enforcement mechanisms, establish clear guidance and procedures for assessing residency and eligibility for benefits, and apply consistency to prevent any potential abuses of the system.

I wish to make a couple of points about what Minister said. I am disappointed that the child maintenance agency has not been progressed. It would be an important agency for custodial parents, but it seems to have been sidelined because a consensus could not be reached. That is a great shame, and I might take the matter up with the Minister for Justice.

I welcome this morning’s announcement about the changes to the child benefit scheme being brought forward to May from September. I do not know why the Government announces these carrots in its October budget and dangle them in front of parents when they could be implemented sooner, but I welcome the decision. I am sure that many parents with 18-year-old schoolgoing children in secondary education will be able to avail of it.

I wish to digress for a minute, and I hope the Minister will be able to help me. The Minister met some people from the Irish Deaf Society this afternoon regarding the voucher scheme for sign language. I do not know whether it was the Minister or someone from her Department who met them. Will she provide an update, if she has one-----

We are dealing with the Social Welfare and Civil Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill.

I am well aware, but-----

If the Senator wishes, she can table a Commencement matter to discuss another issue with the Minister.

-----this is a matter of social welfare.

I know what the brief is. We are dealing with this Bill now.

Maybe the Minister will kindly answer my question. It is such an important service-----

The Senator can table a Commencement matter and the Minister will come to the House to address it for her.

-----for our deaf community. Maybe the Minister could update me. It is an awful pity that the scheme will be taken away from these vulnerable people in our society on 20 February.

I thank the Senator. Our next contributor is Senator Ardagh, who has ten minutes on the topic at hand.

I thank the Minister for attending. Fianna Fáil supports this Bill. It is a small, but practical, Bill and has three elements. It started its life in the Dáil mainly as a child maintenance Bill but has since grown practical legs.

Regarding the International Protection Act 2015, it is important to have on record that Ireland has welcomed 2.3% of those who have fled Ukraine to the EU since the war began. This has been a significant response from Ireland. The number of weekly arrivals remains high. That number, including secondary movements from elsewhere in Europe, is challenging and unsustainable under the present accommodation policy. Therefore, the Government has announced changes to how beneficiaries of temporary protection will be supported under the temporary protection directive so as to more closely align with our EU neighbours and ensure that Ireland can continue meeting its obligations under the directive.

A part of the Minister’s package in this Bill includes amendments to the International Protection Act, ensuring that we have a more sustainable response in future to humanitarian crises. There is obviously the awful war in Ukraine, but we do not know what is down the road, so we need to ensure that we have a response that does not use up all of our resources. Failure to implement this new approach to accommodation and supports will undermine our overall approach and place the State in the position of being unable to impose any limit on the provision of accommodation to those in receipt of temporary protections.

In the context of the extension of the EU’s temporary protection directive to March 2025, the current level of support and accommodation provided to beneficiaries of temporary protection is unsustainable and needs to be amended to align more closely with other EU states. The Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth will introduce a time limit of 90 days on accommodation for new arrivals, amend the International Protection Act to remove the current equivalence with Irish citizens in terms of accessing social welfare benefits while still meeting the standards set out in the directive, and amend the Social Welfare Consolidation Act to provide for beneficiaries of temporary protection in accommodation designated by the Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth to be disqualified from receiving any benefit under Part 3 of the Social Welfare Consolidation Act except for supplementary welfare allowances under section 201. The Bill gives the Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth the power to provide for a payment to beneficiaries of temporary protection in designated accommodation centres. This payment would be administered by the Department of Social Protection by way of regulation and the primary legislation we are setting out today.

It is important that we clearly set out the facts, given that there is a great deal of misinformation about those in receipt of temporary protection, those seeking international protection and migrants who are working in Ireland and benefiting our State, for example, our doctors and nurses. It is important that we have a proper debate in the House and that the rationale for making these changes be set out clearly. I welcome these practical changes.

The changes to the child maintenance payment are important. It was disappointing to learn from the Minister that her Department was only able to recoup €600,000 of child maintenance from other parents. Clearly, the system was not working, so scrapping it is definitely the right decision. This amendment marries well with the referendum that is on the horizon in terms of acknowledging the different types of family in our country. We have to acknowledge the women of Ireland and that one quarter of all families are lone parent families.

I welcome the changes to the extension of child benefit in respect of those who are 18 years of age or older. I would be happy to table the amendment for the Minister in the House. This is an important payment for families around the country. The change will affect nearly 60,000 18-year-olds and their families. At €140 per month, it is a large amount of money.

I welcome the Minister.

We welcome the Bill and its attempts to reform the social welfare system with regard to maintenance. We are told the Bill is designed to give legislative effect to two changes in the previously mentioned social welfare system so that child welfare maintenance payments may no longer be assessed as means and the discontinuation of the liable relative provisions.

As other Members have already mentioned, I have sat in many clinics with completely stressed young women sitting in front of me. They have gone to great lengths to find details of the relevant fathers. As Senator Burke said, the Minister always strives to help such people. In all cases, as I have always said, the children are most important people in these situations. This is an important Bill from that point of view. I have attended too many clinics with such women sitting in front me having spent months, and sometimes years, chasing down those same fathers. They have been subject to verbal and, indeed, sometimes physical abuse in attempting to ensure that their payment and the money they were using to rear their children was not cut. It is important to state that and I welcome the fact the Government has recognised such situations and introduced this Bill. The previous circumstances were unfair and wrong. This Bill is to be welcomed from that point of view. As others have said, we hope we will not face the situation anymore where we are sitting in front of young mothers who are crying and telling us of the attempts they have had to make to identify the fathers of their children, etc. Those are, unfortunately, terrible circumstances that most us have come across in various advice clinics.

Another issue that arises at those clinics is mothers talking about getting a knock at the door from the social welfare inspector. I hope this Bill will change that and how it affects those young women. The social welfare inspector comes in and asks questions about who owns which clothes, etc. We have all heard of examples of that at various clinics and have been asked questions by particular mothers. It puts them under so much needless stress. In fairness, many groups, including SPARK and Women's Aid, have identified the fear that these young mothers feel in dealing with those calls and meetings. I hope this Bill will address social welfare inspectors and the need for them to go to those lengths. I hope that will change because it is wrong. The current system is outdated and I welcome the fact the Minister is now changing it. The emphasis on identifying the father and the blame have been placed on too many mothers in the State over many years.

I also welcome the provisions in the Bill that repeal the Department's responsibility for pursuing what are called "liable relatives" for maintenance. It is our understanding that the matter will now be dealt with by the Department of Justice. We will await further details in that regard.

We had a discussion with the Minister in this House on the social welfare Bill during which I raised the extension of child benefit to those up to the age of 18 and still in full-time education. That probably happened approximately two years ago. The Minister acknowledged on that day that she and her Department were working on it and I welcome the announcement that this payment will be in place from 1 May and will benefit some 60,000 18-year-olds who are in-----

May I interrupt?

Debate adjourned.
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