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SELECT COMMITTEE ON COMMUNICATIONS, MARINE AND NATURAL RESOURCES debate -
Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004

International Telecommunications Satellite Organisation: Motion.

This meeting has been convened for the purposes of consideration by the committee of a motion referred to it by the Dáil regarding Intelsat and the Maritime Security Bill 2004. I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, Deputy Browne, and his officials. I suggest that we consider first the motion followed by the Bill. If we have not concluded by 6 p.m., a further meeting will be considered. If it is the wish of the committee, we may continue until consideration of both the motion and the Bill has been completed. Is that agreed? Agreed.

We shall proceed to the motion on Intelsat which concerns the proposal that Dáil Éireann approve the amendment agreed at Washington DC on 17 November 2000 by the 25th extraordinary assembly of the parties of the International Telecommunications Satellite Organisation to the agreement establishing the International Telecommunications Satellite Organisation adopted in 1971, copies of which, including the amendment, were laid before the Dáil on 4 May 2004. The Minister of State will make an opening address which will be followed by an address by each of the Opposition spokespersons. This will be followed by a question and answer session. I understand a briefing note on the motion has been circulated to members.

I am bringing before the committee a motion which seeks Dáil approval for the amendment made to the agreement setting up Intelsat, the International Telecommunications Satellite Organisation. Dáil approval is required to enable Ireland to ratify the amended agreement which allows for the restructuring of Intelsat from an intergovernmental organisation providing satellite services into a private company overseen by a restructured intergovernmental oversight body. This is a straightforward ratification of an internal international agreement. I shall deal with five main areas - the background to Intelsat, the reason for its restructuring, the implementation of the restructuring plan, the ratification process and its implications.

The genesis of Intelsat was in the 1960s when the possibilities offered by space were beginning to be recognised. During this period the United Nations passed resolutions calling for a global communications system. Subsequently, Intelsat was formed to provide international telecommunications services using satellites. In 1973 it was formally established as an intergovernmental organisation with member states investing in it, the level of investment being in proportion to their use of the system. In Ireland's case responsibility for these investments rested initially with the Department of Posts and Telegraphs, later with Telecom Éireann and finally with Eircom. In 1997, following authorisation from Eircom, RTE also invested in Intelsat. This enabled it to directly access the satellite network. Other Irish companies or individuals wishing to access the Intelsat satellite services could not do so directly; they could only do so by arrangement with Telecom Éireann. Since August 2000 Irish companies have been able to access Intelsat satellite services directly. ComReg now oversee the administrative regulatory aspects previously handled by Eircom.

Since Intelsat was set up in 1973 the international telecommunications market has changed dramatically. Increased liberalisation and ownership changes in telecommunications have contributed to a seismic change in the environment in which Intelsat was operating. Facing increasing competition, it was recognised that it needed to restructure if it was to continue to thrive and be in a position to meet its important core principles of ensuring the availability of global communications, serving less developed or under-serviced countries and ensuring non-discriminatory access to a global communications network by all member countries.

To meet these challenges Intelsat restructured in July 2001 from an intergovernmental organisation to a private company, Intelsat Limited, and an intergovernmental oversight body, the ITSO, based in Washington DC. This restructuring followed agreement in November 2000 by member states to amend the original agreement setting up Intelsat. The ITSO essentially oversees the company and ensures it meets key public service obligations. The relationship between the ITSO and Intelsat Limited is covered by a legally binding public services agreement. The ITSO has no operational or commercial role in relation to Intelsat Limited and plays no role in setting policy for its governance.

Before the restructuring Intelsat had been afforded certain diplomatic privileges. An existing Government order, the Intelsat (Designation of Organisational Immunities of Organisation, and its Officers and Employees) (Amendment) Order 1993, is in place under section 40 of the Diplomatic Relations and Immunities Acts 1967 and 1976, as amended. My officials are examining amending secondary legislation, if necessary, in order to amend the privileges and immunities in order that they are retained by the ITSO and removed from the company in accordance with the amended agreement. It is intended that this legislative issue will be tidied up following ratification of the amended agreement by Ireland.

The privatised company, Intelsat Limited, is owned by those who invested in Intelsat before its restructuring. Eircom and RTE are entitled to a shareholding of 0.037% and 0.086% of the company, respectively. When Eircom was privatised in 1999, its assets transferred with it, including its Intelsat shareholding. The RTE shareholding is currently held by RTE Commercial Enterprises Limited, a wholly owned subsidiary of RTE.

The amended agreement to restructure Intelsat has been applied provisionally, pending entry into force. Ratification by two thirds of member countries is needed for the agreement to formally enter into force, that is, 96 of the 144 countries party to the agreement to restructure. The latest figure we have from the ITSO is that as of 15 May 2004, 93 countries have ratified the amended agreement. It is also necessary that the total shareholding associated with the ratifying countries or entities from those ratifying countries represents two thirds of the total shareholding. This second condition has been achieved.

The proposed amendments have no implications for Exchequer costs or staffing. There is no subscription charge for membership of the ITSO which is financed by retention of certain financial assets when Intelsat Limited was set up. The ITSO remains in place as an intergovernmental oversight body to ensure the company continues to meet its core obligations.

I thank the Minister of State for the explanation. It seems we are moving towards a model of privatisation and that on a worldwide basis, even UN or international institutions are being set up on a privatised basis. If that is what is required for such a body to compete on the international stage, it is no bad thing. As I am not an expert in the area, I have to withhold judgment.

I am keen to hear the Minister of State's response to a number of my questions. Will he indicate the current value of the shareholdings? Will he give an approximate value of one third of 0.1%, the Eircom shareholding, and almost 0.1%, RTE's shareholding? Does access to the Intelsat shareholding give Eircom a competitive advantage in the market in term of global communications over other Irish operators? Is it the case that the satellite services are used mainly for broadcasting or telecommunications?

This is one of three possible countries that could bring this new company into effect, given that 93 of the required number of 96 counties have ratified it. It terms of international agreements, would it not be very nice if some important agreements such as the Kyoto Protocol were also at the gift of an Irish Government signing them into force? Are there competitive implications in terms of access to such satellite services, given that private companies such as Eircom have had this asset handed on to them? It was included when the company was sold by the State.

I have not studied this agreement and do not have the knowledge to make an accurate comment on it. Obviously, I would be concerned from a privatisation point of view. As Deputy Ryan said, this seems to be the global trend. The matter is out of our hands. I welcome serving the less developed countries and ensuring non-discriminatory access to a global communications network by its member states. It is stated Intelsat is serving less developed or under-serviced counties. What does the Minister of State mean by under-serviced countries in this context?

On the question of how much Intelsat is worth, as the company has not been floated, it is hard to put a value on it. The Intelsat quarterly report gives an unaudited figure for a total shareholding equity of around $2.36 billion. The debt figure available from the company is around $2.2 billion. Therefore, it is difficult to estimate the exact value of the company.

On commercial viability, I am informed there is no disadvantage. Intelsat is a global communications company providing Internet, broadcast, corporate network and telephony services around the globe via capacity on over 20 satellites. It is a private company which people can access on a commercial basis. There is, therefore, no advantage to RTE or Eircom.

On a point of clarification, on the $2.36 billion shareholding, does the Minister of State have figures for turnover in the last audited accounts?

No, we do not have that information but will get it for the Deputy.

I am working on a shareholding of $2.3 billion. I would have to go back to my accountancy lesson of a long time ago but a 1% shareholding in such a company would give RTE a cash benefit, if the book value equated to the market value, of approximately €20 million, if my maths are correct.

The equity is $ 2.36 billion but in its last report the company states the debt is $2.2 billion.

Many companies will be leveraged.

We will get the figures for the estimated turnover for the Deputy.

Will RTE or Eircom be able to sell this shareholding once the company is privatised?

Eircom can sell its shareholding.

Can RTE sell its shareholding?

RTE would have to get approval from the Government.

It could be similar to the Cablelink shareholding which RTE held and sold a number of years ago. Even the fact that Intelsat has borrowings in excess of $2 billion shows it is a valuable company. Given a gearing ratio of 50%, it is still worth several billion. Therefore, a 1% shareholding is still a significant cash asset.

It is a substantial amount.

It is a significant cash asset for RTE which could be used in future.

Is the Minister of State saying the State will maintain its interest through RTE?

I will have to seek clarification for the Deputy. RTE is a State company and answerable to the Department and Minister of the day. Deputy Ferris asked about under-serviced countries, those without a high class telecommunications network or access to high standard communications services.

The committee has completed its consideration of the motion and it is a requirement that it report to the Dáil. The clerk to the committee will arrange to have a draft report prepared, copied and circulated to members. It will be taken when consideration of the Maritime Security Bill 2004 has been completed.

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