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Select Committee on Enterprise and Economic Strategy debate -
Wednesday, 12 Jan 1994

SECTION 5.

I move amendment No. 11:

In page 4, subsection (1), line 36, after "earnings" to insert "in excess of the personal tax free allowance, prevailing in the year in question under the Income Tax Acts, of the said contributor".

While the Minister argues that the ¼ per cent levy applied only to employers, everyone now recognises that much indigenous industry in particular is relatively low paid and has been particularly disadvantaged by levies with no threshold. It would be in the interests of all concerned that where the average wages are small, the levy would not be exacted from the whole lot. In the interests of equity there should be some figure below which an employer paying such earnings is not levied. It has to be borne in mind — the economists will confirm this — that at the end of the day there is a wage fund from which people's wages are paid, and if one puts a ¼ per cent levy on the employer, at the end of the day half of it is paid by the employee and half by the employer. That is the way supply and demand works. Any basic economics textbooks will show that that is what will happen.

The argument that just because it is levied, the incidence is on the employer does not mean that the employee is not affected as well. It would be progressive and a good signal of concern to low paid workers that we would establish this levy in a way in which it had built-in favouritism towards the low paid. Indeed, I would argue, if I had the chance and if we had the Minister for Finance here before us today, that he also should be looking at a similar threshold for PRSI levies generally. The clothing and baking industries and industries traditionally not very highly paid are the ones being pushed to the wall by PRSI, not the multinationals. I realise it would be quite a reform for the Minister to embrace, but I ask her to consider it and maybe even signal her willingness to talk to other Ministers whose approval would be necessary before she could accept such an amendment.

I support the amendment. The principle is very good. We have arrived at a time when, in budgetary terms, we must now find ways of excluding very low paid people from the new levies or new taxes we intend to impose on an annual basis. That argument has been made very cogently and consistently over the years. We talk about it sometimes in overall terms as the tax wedge and the very heavy burden we have put on people who are not in a position to pay. Very often the consequences of that is that we are pushing people from the very narrow line between holding a job and losing a job, or losing heart and giving up the job and opting to go on unemployment benefit with all the other benefits that brings. This is as good a place as any to start dismantling that principle and setting out that there are people in certain income categories who ought not to be asked to pay certain levies. I would ask the Minister, in support of Deputy Bruton's amendment, to take that principle on board.

In this we would be putting the cart before the horse. I am not the Minister for Finance, much as I would like to be. The levy is collected through the PRSI and levies are calculated on the gross wage bill of the employer, so the thrust of the Bill is to keep it in line with the PRSI. If changes in the PRSI system are to be introduced, obviously if they are favourable and in line with what Deputy Bruton is saying, they will affect this. If there is to be a two-tier PRSI system in some shape or other — and the omens and auguries do not look good for it from what we read — then obviously it would reflect on this. We cannot begin with this and go on because it is linked to the PRSI system.

I intend to withdraw this amendment at this stage, but I ask the Minister to perhaps consider talking to the Minister for Finance on this issue. He has rejected the idea of selecting sectors that have low rates. Exempting some of the income from the bottom will effectively be of benefit to the low paid sectors and it does not involve him in having to make selections between other types of employers. I will withdraw my amendment but the idea is worthy of consideration by the Government.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Sections 5 and 6 agreed to.
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