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SELECT COMMITTEE ON JUSTICE, EQUALITY, DEFENCE AND WOMEN'S RIGHTS debate -
Tuesday, 17 Nov 2009

Bilateral Agreements: Motion.

This meeting has been convened for the purpose of consideration by this committee of the proposed approval of the terms of agreement between the Government of Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China and the Government of Ireland concerning mutual legal assistance in criminal matters; and the Fines Bill 2009. I welcome the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Deputy Dermot Ahern, and his officials to the meeting. The motion states:

That Dáil Éireann approves the terms of the Agreement between the Government of Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China and the Government of Ireland concerning Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters which was signed at the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region on 19th September, 2001, copies of which were laid before Dáil Éireann on 1st October, 2009.

I advise members that the committee is required to consider the motion and report to the Dáil by 25 November. Accordingly, when we dispose of the debate on the motion and report thereof, we will consider Committee Stage amendments to the Fines Bill. Is that agreed? Agreed.

As we are in public session I request that all mobile telephones be switched off. The Minister will begin with the proposal regarding the approval of terms of agreement between the Government of Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China and the Government of Ireland concerning mutual legal assistance in criminal matters.

I thank the committee for considering this motion. Mutual legal assistance, in simple terms, enables one state to provide within its own jurisdiction a service to another state related to the administration of justice in the latter.

Co-operation and mutual assistance in criminal matters is currently possible between Ireland and Hong Kong on foot of our compliance with certain international instruments to which Ireland and Hong Kong are parties. However, the forms of assistance available are restricted to such areas as the service of certain documents and the taking of evidence for use in investigations and prosecutions. Bilateral agreement of this type allows both parties to set out and provide for their needs and requirements in more detail than would usually be possible in the context of multilateral instruments.

In effect, these bilateral agreements supplement the obligations arising under existing international agreements and conventions. The impetus for this agreement followed the resumption of the responsibility by the People's Republic of China for the foreign affairs of Hong Kong and the establishment of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, SAR. Provision was made for the Hong Kong SAR to make appropriate arrangements for reciprocal judicial assistance with foreign states. On this basis, the Hong Kong SAR expressed interest in the negotiation of bilateral agreements and mutual recognition in criminal matters with a number of third countries, including Ireland. Ultimately, an agreement was signed between the parties in September 2001.

At the time of the signature, legislation providing for the mutual assistance in criminal matters was contained in the Criminal Justice Act 1994 but certain forms of assistance under that Act were only available to countries, as opposed to territories. As a territory of China, Hong Kong could not be designated under the 1994 Act to the extent required under the agreement. Ratification of the agreement was postponed pending the introduction of legislation to ensure assistance would be available in all forms to territories.

The enactment of the Criminal Justice (Mutual Assistance) Act 2008, among other matters, repealed and replaced the relevant provisions of the 1994 Act. It allowed for the designation of a state for the purpose of mutual assistance in criminal matters and defines a state as including a territory. This agreement will be applied in accordance with the provisions of the 2008 Act. Thus, we are now in a position to proceed with the ratification of the agreement which, with the approval of this motion, will be concluded through the exchange of diplomatic notes by the Department of Foreign Affairs. The agreement facilitates co-operation by setting out an agreed range of procedures to be followed in dealing with requests for mutual assistance in criminal matters. Committee members will have received a copy of the briefing note concerning the agreement, with details of the provisions in it. However, I would like to highlight some of the main provisions.

Article 1 deals with the type of assistance which may be requested under the agreement and lists illustrative examples, such as obtaining evidence, service of documents, identification and location of persons. Article 2 confirms that the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform is the central authority for the purpose for making and receiving requests for assistance. Article 4 deals with the form and content of requests and specifies that requests must be made in writing, and in urgent cases may be accepted in another form, subject to confirmation in writing within ten days. This article also sets out the detail that each request must contain and certain further details which should, to the extent necessary and possible, be included.

Article 5 sets out the requirements for the execution of a request, including the request it would be executed subject to the law of the requested state. Article 6 sets out the grounds on which either state may refuse or postpone a request for assistance. Assistance may be refused for example where to grant the request would seriously impair sovereignty, security, other essential interests or public order. Assistance may also be refused where it relates to an offence which carries the death penalty, unless assurances are given that the death penalty will not be imposed, or if imposed, not carried out. While unlikely to be invoked, this article is an important safeguard and similar provisions exist in other international instruments of mutual assistance in criminal matters.

Article 7 is another standard provision which lays down the expenses relating to the execution of a request or borne by the requested parties, except in specified instances, and limitations on the use of evidence or information obtained on foot of an agreement or contained in Article 8, including that such evidence will not be used for the purpose other than specified in the request. Article 9 deals with the provisions whereby a person from whom evidence is sought by the requesting state may be required to give that evidence from the territory of the requested state.

Article 10 provides for the taking of statements from persons for the purpose of criminal investigation or criminal prosecution. A provision is contained in Article 11 for ascertaining the location or identity of any person. As with all provisions of the agreement, the manner in which such assistance will be provided by the Irish authorities is set down in the corresponding provisions of the Criminal Justice (Mutual Assistance) Act 2008.

Article 12 deals with the service of documents by requested parties on behalf of the requesting state. Article 13 covers the manner in which the records and other documents or information, whether publicly available or available only to law enforcement or judicial authorities, may be provided. Provision is made in Article 15 for the transfer of persons in custody for the purpose of providing assistance under the agreement. Similar provision is made in Article 16 for persons other than prisoners. Article 17 is related, in that it provides for the safe conduct of persons transferred under Articles 15 and 16. Article 18 provides for the search, seizure and transfer of material to a requesting state.

The provisions of this agreement broadly replicate similar provisions of other international agreements or conventions to do with mutual assistance on criminal matters. The agreement will come into effect 30 days following notification of the requirements for its entry into force have been complied with. As I have previously stated, it will operate under Irish law in accordance with the Criminal Justice (Mutual Assistance) Act 2008. To this end, an order designating Hong Kong SAR for the purpose of mutual assistance would be required following the ratification. I recommend to the committee the approval of this agreement.

On behalf of Fine Gael, I welcome the introduction of this motion. We support it and acknowledge its importance. I thank the Minister for his briefing note. However, there appears to be an error in the title of the note in so far as it suggests the motion under Article 29.5.2o of the Constitution, seeking approval of an agreement between the Government of Hong Kong SAR and the People's Republic of Hong Kong. I presume that should read the People's Republic of China. In any event, I welcome the motion.

Will the Minister visit the issue of the length of time involved in bringing this agreement to fruition? The agreement was signed in September 2001, which is over eight years ago. Such a length of time is not the norm for such agreements. I assume from what the Minister said, in terms of Dáil approval for the agreement and the overview of it, that this is a standard agreement such as those agreed on an ongoing basis with non-European Union states and that there is nothing specific to Hong Kong in it that we would not have agreed with other such states. What likely benefits will accrue to this State as a result of ratifying this agreement? Is there a significant level of relations between the State agencies here and those in Hong Kong? For example, are there specific reasons this ratification will be of benefit to us? I think in particular of the area of international crime, drug trafficking and the likely or otherwise operation of Far Eastern or Chinese gangs in this city. Is there any reason to believe the ratification of this agreement will assist in the resolution of crime or act as a deterrent to crime in this jurisdiction?

On the basis of a likely change in the political administration of Hong Kong, which is currently a special administrative region, SAR, of the People's Republic of China, and in the event the administrative region may lose jurisdiction over criminal justice matters to the People's Republic of China, is there any way we can ensure — perhaps on the basis of this agreement — that does not result in a lapse in standards of human rights in the region?

I thank the Deputy for his questions. The Criminal Justice (Mutual Assistance) Act began in 2001 as an international co-operation Bill, but after a number of redrafts, it was published in 2005 as the Criminal Justice (Mutual Assistance) Bill. It was substantially amended in committee and because it related to at least five other international agreements, there was significant redrafting involved. Parliamentary time was spent on other issues also. There is nothing unusual in this particular agreement vis-à-vis any other international agreement with a non-EU country.

With regard to the benefits of the agreement, it obviously simplifies matters for both states. Given the geographic distance between us and them, there could be logistical issues about the presence of people here. With greater access to Ireland by Chinese nationals through Hong Kong, it is important we have more beefed-up liaison with Hong Kong, particularly with regard to issues such as false travel documents. The agreement will also help with regard to the UN convention against illicit trafficking of drugs and substances, an issue referred to by the Deputy. The agreement is reasonably simple and similar to other agreements. Given the importance of the Chinese market for us, it is important we pass the motion as soon as possible.

If there is a political change in Hong Kong and in China generally, which I do not envisage in the near future, I suspect this agreement will be rolled over by whatever new regime is in place.

Any there other questions? It seems everyone is happy enough and the committee has now completed its consideration of the motion.

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