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SELECT COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORT debate -
Tuesday, 16 Jun 2009

2009 Annual Output Statement.

I apologise to the committee and to the Minister and his officials but I was delayed by a little emergency.

Members will be aware, that as part of the budgetary process reform initiated by the Minister for Finance in his Budget Statement 2006, each Department must now publish an output statement for consideration by Oireachtas committees. In line with that reformed budgetary process, an output statement has been provided and has been circulated along with a briefing to the members. This is a very important initiative and is intended to facilitate better parliamentary involvement in the budget and Estimates processes. In addition, the Minister for Finance, in letters in 2008 and 2009, respectively, requested that the Estimates debates should have a particular focus on the outputs to be achieved for the moneys voted.

In the 2009 letter from the Minister, the committee has again been asked to undertake a similar critical and co-ordinating role in respect of this round of 2009 annual output statements. If this committee has any constructive criticisms on the quality and nature of the documents and how they might be improved I ask that they be articulated so that they can be brought to the Minister's attention.

The clerk has circulated a draft timetable for consideration. Is it agreed? Agreed. On behalf of the select committee I welcome the Minister for Transport, Deputy Noel Dempsey, and his officials Mr. Pat Mangan, assistant secretary, Mr. Dan Commane, finance officer, Ms Noeleen Diskin, finance division and Mr. Maurice Treacy, principal officer. I now call on the Minister to make his opening remarks.

I thank the Chairman and members for the opportunity to present the 2009 Revised Estimate for the Department of Transport for consideration.

The revised gross expenditure provision for my Department in 2009 is €3.1 billion, comprising €2.4 billion for capital projects and €705 million for current spending. The capital allocation does not include a sum of €78.5 million carried forward from 2008 that is also available for spending this year. This year my Department will spend €970 million on public transport, close to €2 billion on roads, including €37 million on road safety, €49 million on the maritime sector and €30 million on the aviation sector and regional airports. Of the €2.4 billion to be spent on capital investment, €2.04 billion is for Transport 21 projects.

My Department's Estimate was adjusted by a total of €315 million as part of the very necessary reductions in public expenditure agreed by the Government in the supplementary budget — a €15 million reduction in current expenditure and a €300 million reduction in the capital provision.

I will briefly outline where those reductions have been made. The €15 million reduction in current expenditure is comprised of a reduction of €5 million on national road maintenance, bringing the revised provision to €44 million; and a reduction of €10 million in public transport service payments to CIE, the revised provision being €303 million.

The €300 million reduction in capital expenditure is in the following areas. There is a €150 million reduction in the capital provision for regional and local roads, bringing the revised total to €321.5 million. The current expenditure allocation for regional and local roads is unaffected and remains at €126 million. The capital provision for public transport is reduced by €150 million to €628 million.

Despite this very significant reduction, public spending on transport is still at a very high level and we will continue to make real tangible progress during 2009, building on the sustained investment over the past decade. For example, as recently as the year 2000 total expenditure on national roads was less than €700 million compared with €1.5 billion today.

The €628 million provision this year for investment in public transport will maintain the momentum of our investment programme to date and continue the transformation of our public transport system. Several important projects will be completed this year. The Luas extension from Connolly Station to the docklands will be completed, with services due to start early next year. Phase 1 of the western rail corridor from Ennis to Athenry will be completed during 2009. The Cork-Midleton rail line will re-open, leading to a major extension of commuter rail services in Cork. Services will commence this summer with 20 trains a day in each direction. Work will continue in 2009 on several important projects: the Luas extension from Sandyford to Cherrywood; the Citywest Luas extension; phase 1 of the Navan rail line; the Kildare rail project; and the Dublin city centre rail resignalling project. Planning will continue on metro north and DART underground, two critical transport projects that will provide the backbone of an integrated public transport system in Dublin. The year 2009 will also see the continuing phased introduction into service of 183 new inter-city railcars nationwide and the remaining 118 provincial buses of the 239 new buses delivered at the end of 2008.

Investment in bus priority in Dublin and the regional cities will continue. A total of €40 million will be provided for projects in Dublin including the elimination of pinch points on the bus network such as the College Green bus gate; enhancements to north Clondalkin and Rathfarnham QBCs, an inbound bus lane on the N3 from Clonee to the M50, an extension of the Blanchardstown QBC and phase 1 of the Castleknock QBC. Funding of €15 million is being provided for bus priority in provincial cities, including: the completion of the Farranree-Blackpool green route and making substantial progress on the Ballincollig green route, both in Cork; the completion of phase 1 of the Dublin Road green route by Limerick County Council, and the completion of bus priority works north of Claregalway and on the Dublin Road in Galway. The accessibility programme will continue also with expenditure of €20 million on the roll-out of accessible coach services on the Navan-Dublin Airport-DCU and the Cork-Waterford bus routes; the continuation of the programme to make bus stops in Dublin more accessible; and improve accessibility of railway stations on the Dublin-Galway line.

I am also pleased to say that the development of the integrated ticketing system, for which there is a provision of €20 million this year, is at an advanced stage. It is being introduced initially in the greater Dublin area on a phased basis, using smartcard technology over the period to the end of 2010. All the Luas network and the Dublin Bus fleet have been fitted with smartcard readers and the fitting of smartcard readers is under way at Irish Rail commuter stations. The next step will be the launch by Irish Rail of an interim smartcard scheme from late this summer. It is planned later this year to commence the introduction of a single smartcard on a progressive basis for Dublin Bus and Luas services which will have an electronic purse capability which facilitates cashless travel. Later next year the single smartcard, with electronic purse capability, will replace the interim smartcards and be extended to DART and commuter rail services. Discussions are being held with private bus operators on their participation in the scheme over this timeframe.

The 2009 capital allocation for national roads is €1.44 billion, including a carryover of €37 million from 2008, reflecting the very high level of contractual commitments on this programme. This will allow the National Roads Authority to sustain the unprecedented progress on the national motorway network which is on schedule to transform the road links between Dublin and the main regional cities of Cork, Galway, Limerick and Waterford. These major interurban routes are on time and budget for completion by the end of 2010. By that date the country will have over 750 km of motorways and dual carriageways, a huge achievement in the past decade.

The NRA expects that eight major projects, totalling 156 km of dual carriageway road, will open to traffic this year. These are listed in members' briefings. Work will continue on a range of other important projects, totalling 328 km of road. Again, these are listed in the briefing. Over €320 million is being provided for local authorities for the improvement of regional and local roads. This will allow them to continue renewal and improvement works on the extensive non-national road network. While we have found it necessary to reduce the 2009 provision, it is important to recall that we have made a huge investment in these roads in recent years. Over €5 billion of Exchequer capital and current funding has been provided since 1997. This unprecedented spend has tackled investment backlogs and funded a major renewal, reconstruction and new works programme.

Our recent investment in the country's transport infrastructure is paying dividends. We will have finished the five major interurban motorways by the end of 2010. We have revitalised the national rail network, renewing the infrastructure, improving safety, replacing the fleet and making a step change in the quality of services. We have doubled the passenger capacity of the DART in the past ten years. Luas is carrying 28 million passengers a year and three extensions are under construction. Dublin Bus passenger capacity has expanded by over one quarter and over 80% of its buses are accessible for people with disabilities.

In 2009 my Department is providing almost €17 million to maintain the existing network of PSO regional air services and help the regional airports with their day-to-day operational expenditure. My Department will provide €6 million in capital funding for the regional airports to meet existing contractual commitments.

The current expenditure allocation is €705 million which will allow my Department to provide funding for a range of expenditure programmes. Some €328 million is being allocated to support the provision of public transport services throughout the country, while €170 million is provided for the maintenance of national, regional and local roads. Some €39 million is allocated for maritime safety measures and the Irish Coast Guard; €37 million will be spent on road safety programmes and, as I mentioned, €17 million will be expended on supporting regional air services.

I promised in my budget speech last October that the Government would finalise a new policy framework for transport and travel in Ireland. I have since published that policy, Smarter Travel. It is a radical new approach to travel which aims to deliver on the Government’s vision of having a sustainable transport system by 2020. This new framework underpins all of the activities of my Department and reaches across all areas of government. At the launch of Smarter Travel in February I emphasised that the scale of the investment envisaged in the policy would not be available in the short term and that, therefore, the focus needed to be on demonstration projects and developing plans to move the policy forward. I have retained the allocations needed to begin this work. The €10 million for carbon reduction measures remains in my Department’s Vote, as does the €2 million to support the green schools travel initiative.

I am providing €37 million for the Road Safety Authority and the Medical Bureau of Road Safety. Road safety continues to be an important priority for the Government and the road safety strategy 2007-12 provides our road map which is being successfully implemented with the involvement of a number of Departments, the Garda Síochána and other agencies. We have seen a sustained reduction in the number killed on the roads. The number of road deaths dropped by 30% in the period from 1997 to 2007 and 2008 saw the lowest number of fatalities on record — 279. The welcome downward trend continues this year and has been achieved despite the fact that there has been a large increase in the number of drivers and vehicles on the roads.

Funding for the Irish Coast Guard and maritime administration is being increased by €2 million on its 2008 level to €44.5 million. There will be an additional €1 million in capital funding which was carried over from 2008. The decision to allocate this level of funding, in spite of the financial restrictions, reflects the vital nature of the services being provided. The allocation for 2009 provides for expenditure of €4 million on essential upgrading of radio communications at the marine rescue centres.

The Government had to take the difficult decisions necessary to tackle the unprecedented decline in the public finances. This required a number of reductions in public expenditure, while seeking, as far as possible, to protect front-line services, sustain employment and support the productive capacity of the economy. We have faced difficult choices. Notwithstanding these major difficulties, we will spend €2.4 billion on transport capital investment this year. This shows our continuing commitment to improving the transport system and our determination to deliver on the projects contained in Transport 21. This investment will sustain over 24,000 jobs and create the conditions necessary for renewed economic growth when the international recession is over. We have also sought, as far as possible, to sustain our expenditure on public service obligations and to meet our regulatory obligations and safety imperatives. We have got the balance right.

I commend the Estimates to the committee and I will be happy to take questions from members.

The Fine Gael and Labour Party spokespersons each have ten minutes to make their opening statements.

Given the current economic climate, cuts have to be made and everybody accepts we must get value for money. In transport, in particular, we must concentrate on core issues. The cuts announced and implemented by the Minister raise serious questions, particularly about the road safety programme in the context of the number of deaths which, sadly, continue to happen on the roads. The Garda Síochána website tells us that 107 people have been killed this year, compared to 111 this time last year. The key indicator is that in May there were eight more fatalities than in the same month in 2008. The Minister did not mention that statistic, but it is very important because it reverses the trend. The website also points out that 15 deaths have occurred so far this year in the two hour period between 6 a.m. and 8 a.m., compared to seven in the same period in 2008.

I have obtained figures from the Road Safety Authority for the numbers of fatalities in the five years up to 2007. I have put them in the context of the cuts the Minister has made in the budgetary allocation to a number of counties. In County Donegal there has been a very high number of deaths, with 120 people dying in the past five years, but the Minister has cut back the allocation to Donegal County Council by €9.7 million. There have been disproportionate cuts in those areas where the number of fatalities has been higher. The Minister has cut between 3% and 4% in respect of all county councils, but it would have been more effective to look at where most deaths had occurred and cut back least in these areas. In County Tipperary, north and south, there were 99 deaths in the five years to 2007, while the cutbacks amount to €7 million. In County Meath there were 102 deaths and the cutbacks amount to €4.7 million. In County Kildare there were 86 deaths and the Minister has cut back the allocation by €8.8 million. There are grave concerns in local authorities that the road network is crumbling owing to budgetary cutbacks of €150 million across all councils. Councils with a high proportion of deaths per head of population have not been assisted in resolving the road network problems in their areas, which is absolutely disgraceful. I ask that the Minister respond to that issue in his reply.

There are other contributory factors to the road safety issue. The Garda Síochána states that the reason so many fatalities are occurring is that drivers are using excessive speed yet we still do not have the speed cameras promised by the Minister for Transport and the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

A significant issue on which I have been unable to get a clear answer from the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform is the level of cutbacks in respect of Garda overtime. Evidence provided to me suggests that Garda overtime has been cut. The Garda traffic corps must operate outside of the normal 9 a.m to 5 p.m. working hours, in particular at weekends and early in the mornings. I have been unable to get the figure in respect of by how much Garda traffic corps overtime has been cut but I believe it is significant. I believe that where cuts have to be made one ought to identify areas where lives can be saved. Cutting back on critical expenditure in respect of overtime at key weekend periods when gardaí must be on duty may be part of the reason for the change in trends, with more people dying than in previous years.

The influence of the Green Party on transport is amiss with cutbacks of €150 million in capital expenditure for public transport. I have debated with the Minister on a number of occasions in the Dáil the issue of bus transport in the city of Dublin. Dublin Bus has cut back significantly on its bus routes and private operators already operating in the system have now departed. There is no incentive in this area at this time for private bus operators. The Minister's policies in this regard have failed. The budgetary cutbacks in the transport area are having an adverse impact on road safety and the quality of our road network, funding for which has been cut back locally and nationally. The majority of our local and regional roads are used by approximately 60% of vehicles. The Minister and the Government have failed in this regard.

I have specific questions which I would like to put to the Minister later when we come to the page-by-page analysis of the Estimates.

I welcome the Minister and his team from the Department of Transport. The last occasion on which I recall meeting the officials is when they accompanied the Minister of State, Deputy Noel Ahern, who then had responsibility for road safety, to a meeting of the Joint Committee on Transport. Are there any plans to focus on safety issues given the loss of that particular function as discharged by Deputy Noel Ahern who was sacked from his position in recent months.

The Opposition could not wait to get rid of the Ministers of State and are now crying after them.

Some Departments do not require a Minister of State. We believe that the Department of Transport is such a significant Department it was useful to have a Minister of State there. Road safety and marine issues are areas wherein a Minister of State is probably required. I do not share the view of my Fine Gael colleagues in respect of cutbacks. In addition, I do not believe that huge resources should be paid to speculators and casino gamblers through the banking system while our public transport system is being devastated and slashed by the Minister for Transport, Deputy Dempsey.

The outturn for 2009, in the context of the overall budget, is astonishing and is now €530 million less than that provided last year. One would have to go back a long time to find a Department which in the past fulfilled the transport function whose budget was slashed by such a vast amount. This is having a major impact across the transport portfolio. For example, major public transport infrastructural projects are, according to the Minister for Finance, Deputy Lenihan, being deferred or rescheduled. These include metro west, the Maynooth line electrification, the opening of the Kilbarry rail station on the Cork-Blarney commuter line, Luas power upgrades and a whole range of items including a €20 million cut in respect of park and ride facilities. The Chairman spent a lot of time, and rightly so, demanding better park and ride facilities. That whole programme has been devastated. In addition, €5 million has been cut from the accessibility programme. The Minister spoke at length about the issue of accessibility. A further €3 million has been cut from the integrated ticketing programme. When will we see the new electronic purses? Will it be this year or next year? The Department of Transport budget was slashed in the budget.

One of the problems that my party has with the budget — it is astonishing that the vanishing Green Party is still involved in government — is that only €628 million out of €2.5 billion is being invested in transport. In general terms, public transport investment is only a small proportion of that required for the whole transport programme. Of crucial importance is what has happened to buses over recent months. The Minister referred to smarter travel policies. Surely bus transport is a key plank of any smarter travel programme. Deputy Dempsey is the Minister who removed 300 buses and many hundreds of workers from both bus companies even though Bus Éireann, we are told by Deloitte, was an efficient company. Even Deloitte could not say where cutbacks could be made in Bus Éireann. The Minister has acknowledged that we have the lowest public transport subsidy among European cities.

My colleague spoke about road safety. The figure for May 2009 — it is interesting that the Minister did not refer to the figures for 2009 — was disastrously worse than that for 2008. We have had a number of significantly bad months. Surely this is related to the slashing of the RSA's budget, as indicated by the chairman of the Road Safety Authority, Mr. Gay Byrne, and Mr. Noel Brett. Deputy Dempsey is the Minister who slashed its budget just when it appeared the road safety issue was reaching the top of the agenda. The advertising budget for the RSA has been slashed by €4 million or €5 million and other initiatives have been held up.

There does not appear to be any explanation, in terms of road safety, for why the Minister and the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Deputy Dermot Ahern, cannot roll out the speed camera network. We all know that speeding is the fundamental cause of collisions 95% of the time. The Minister said himself that more than 3,000 people had died in collisions during the lifetime of this Government. There has been a holocaust of casualties in this area, where with human error there should be only 20 or 30 casualties maximum per annum. There is no point in the Minister providing us with statistics in regard to the number of cars and so on on our roads. The number of deaths in absolute terms is disgraceful. What is the position in respect of the roll-out of speed cameras? Why is that process being continually deferred?

Every time we raise questions about drug driving and testing, the Minister gives us a lecture yet Australian states are operating perfectly efficient systems in this regard. The Minister has major questions to answer in respect of the cutbacks in the RSA budget. The Road Safety Authority has stated that the Minister is not discharging his duties to it in a responsible manner.

On road maintenance, a related area, the NRA has informed us that, due to the 2009 cutbacks and the projected 2010 NRA budget, there will be no money for the maintenance of NRA roads, including inter-urban and other major national roads. Despite the Government trumpeting the inter-urban network major roads are in very bad condition. For example, the N4, the Sligo to Dublin road, is in appalling condition for between 40 and 50 kilometres, though it is supposed to link a small city with the capital. There does not appear to be any plan to improve this in the near future.

One of the major problems facing the Department does not relate to money but to legislative performance. We are still waiting for the Road Traffic Bill, the bus licensing Bill and a plethora of other legislation. At long last there has been legislation in recent weeks, the final part of this session, but we are still awaiting some key legislation. Are there enough members of staff in the Department to do the work that needs to be done, especially the work relating to road safety?

The Minister only briefly referred to aviation in his introductory remarks; has an official stance been taken on the loss of Aer Lingus's services to Chicago and New York from Shannon Airport? This has been a very important issue for people in the mid-west in recent weeks. Aer Lingus has restored a service it should never have withdrawn, the Shannon to London service, but what plans are there regarding how an airline in which the State holds a quarter share should conduct connectivity between Ireland and America?

I welcome the smarter travel the Minister referred to but he seems to suggest there is no money in the kitty to assist local authorities, be they in Galway, Limerick or Dublin, in providing additional resources for cycling and pedestrian-friendly areas. Perhaps the Minister could return to this subject.

People would like the Minister to address the role of the Taxi Regulator. There is grave dissatisfaction among the almost 50,000 taxi drivers and this has been reflected in this committee, through the assistance of the Chairman. Given the budget before the Minister, does he plan any initiatives relating to taxis this year? On a related matter, when will the Dublin transport authority be up and running and when will it take over taxi regulation? Are any major initiatives planned in the area?

We had a dreadfully backward system of road transport and public transport until recently but there were major budget surpluses during the Celtic tiger era; given all this, the budget before us today is extremely disappointing. We hope it is not a prelude to further attacks that tip the balance away from public transport.

As indicated earlier the Minister for Finance is anxious to hear any comments on the output statements and how they might be improved. The programmes in the output statements are listed in the documentation given. Are there any comments on the first strategic objective relating to integration and sustainability?

Are we dealing with the Estimates or the output statement?

We will take the output statement first and then enter a general discussion on the Estimates.

I thought the Minister would respond to our points.

We must conduct this meeting in the way we were asked.

We can make our own rules because we are committee members. As Opposition spokesman, I do not have a problem going through all of these pages but I think the key points have been made.

We will just run through them.

It will take hours to go through them.

We will do it quickly. I have one question on integration and sustainability and it relates to aligned transport, spatial and land-use policies, as outlined in the document. Feasibility studies for light rail and rapid bus transport in Galway, Cork, Waterford and Limerick are mentioned; will implementation stage start in 2009?

I missed what the Chairman said; to what page is he referring?

Part 4.1 on page 12 relating to integration and sustainability.

I do not think the constitution of the committee allows for this. I think we must look at the Estimates.

I will just run through them and if there are no comments, that is fine.

There will be comments. The point is, our constitutional duty is to approve the Estimates. I am a member of the Committee of Public Accounts and it uses output statements but they do not have a directly linked audit function. They relate to the general performance of the Department. We have a timetable that relates to the various subheads; it is the same thing being done differently, the way it was traditionally done.

If the Deputy does not wish to follow the approach outlined I have no difficulty with that.

We do not want to go back over the same things. I could ask when the four bids——

We will proceed to a general discussion on the Estimates beginning with subheads A1 to A8 on administration. Are there any questions or comments?

First of all, with regard to decentralisation, can the Minister brief us on where the Department stands? In how many locations is the Department to be found and what plans are there for decentralisation? I asked a question on the dearth of legislation that existed until recently and the incredible slowness of the Department in producing urgently needed legislation, for example the Road Traffic Bill. Despite endless calls for that Bill and the horrific aftermaths of major collisions we are still awaiting the legislation. Why must we wait so long for the Department to produce legislation when other Departments are able to produce necessary legislation quickly?

We will run through the various headings and I will then allow the Minister to respond to the opening statements and the various comments made.

Are there any questions or comments on subheads B1 to B5 on roads?

We have asked already about the cutbacks relating to roads and local authorities. Some counties have a higher proportion of road deaths, per head of population, than others. Can the Minister consider giving more resources to counties that experience more road deaths per head of population?

Are we discussing everything down to B5?

Yes. The Minister will respond after the general discussion.

I thought we were going to go through subheads A1 to A5 separately and I still have a point to make on subhead A.3. The subhead covers incidental expenses and the out-turn for 2008 relating to costs arising from cases involving uninsured drivers in which claimants were unable to recover damages and costs from any other source. Do any cases remain under this subhead?

My next point relates to subhead A5. Does the Department of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources contribute to the safe seas programme or is it solely a matter for the Department of Transport? In regard to subhead A7, can the Minister provide specific details of projects which are being outsourced to consultants?

The general situation in respect of road improvement has been outlined but I ask for clarification on motorway service areas. The NRA originally announced plans to build 11 such areas but that number has subsequently decreased to two. I do not know whether this is the result of local opposition by towns which are being bypassed or because of a lack of funds. There are safety issues in terms of allowing drivers to exit motorways for rest stops.

The NRA has expressed concern that it will not have money for road maintenance this year and in 2010. Subhead B3 on road safety has been discussed extensively but what are the Minister's legislative intentions for mandatory testing of drug drivers? Subhead B5 provides for carbon reduction measures. We did not get an opportunity to discuss this issue earlier. The funding provided, at €10 million, is tiny in comparison with other countries. I ask for further information on the schemes mentioned in the subhead. We regularly receive information on transport and complaints from the European Commission about CO2 emissions. What is the story on the bicycle scheme?

I call Deputy Dooley.

I will wait until we reach the section on aviation, if the Chairman does not mind.

As Deputy Broughan has addressed a variety of subheads, members may raise whatever questions they wish.

I welcome the Minister and his delegation. Aviation is facing a difficult period. Has the Minister or his Department given consideration to the identification of strategic routes which, while vulnerable in the current economic climate, were previously viable? Is it possible to develop a mechanism whereby the State can support strategic routes, such as the Shannon-JFK and Shannon-Heathrow routes? While Aer Lingus intends to increase services on the latter route, its decision to cut services between Shannon and Chicago and JFK will be difficult for the mid-west region.

Business and tourism interests welcome the commitment by Aer Lingus to return to these routes after the winter. While I accept that the Government is required to take a hands-off approach on commercial decisions, the turbulence which the economy is currently experiencing puts pressure on strategic routes. Will the Department consider identifying such routes with a view to providing a financial mechanism to support them?

I compliment the Minister and his officials on their approach to Aer Lingus. Through the appointment of directors to the airline's board, they have brought a sense of realism and strategic thinking to a management which previously preferred the slash and burn approach.

Do members have further questions on miscellaneous appropriations-in-aid?

I thought we were dealing with road issues.

I thought we were dealing with subheads A and B.

Perhaps we can get a debate going.

Are we not going through the Estimates?

I do not mind.

Perhaps the Minister can address the questions already raised.

The questions have varied but I will attempt to address them as quickly as possible. In regard to decentralisation, the Department has completed its decentralisation programme under phase 1 to Shannon, Loughrea and Ballina. Phase 2, which involved Drogheda, Ballinasloe and Cork, has been deferred until 2011 for further consideration. We are up to date in that regard.

Under subhead A3, 130 cases are outstanding. These cases were held up for many years because of liability issues. They have caused me to review our agreement with the Motor Insurers Bureau of Ireland but they remain to be resolved.

The safe seas programme is the sole remit of the Department of Transport. This programme commenced shortly before I was appointed as Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources but departmental responsibilities were subsequently reassigned.

The reduction in the budgeted provision for consultancy and public relations contracts is the result of directives from the Department of Finance which were strongly supported by all sides of the House. This also affected the RSA. We cannot have it both ways in terms of shouting and roaring for reductions while also seeking to protect specific contracts.

While plans remain in place to provide a range of motorway service areas, thus far only two have reached tender stage. The provision of additional areas will be dependent on the resources made available in future budgets. A decision will have to be made at some stage on whether road maintenance and safety on secondary routes should take priority over service areas. It is open to the private sector to provide service stations and rest areas for drivers, provided planning permission can be obtained. The shortage of finance does not automatically mean rest areas cannot be provided. They could be provided by the private sector, subject to planning permission.

A total of €14 million is allocated for various schemes under the smarter travel document, including the national cycle policy framework. A number of policies and actions are included in the document, which must be implemented. The green school scheme is in place, which will reach 450 schools and 140,000 schoolchildren. The Deputy referred to a sum of €10 million, which is being used to deliver a number of the smarter travel policies. This is National Bike Week and I hope I will see my Opposition counterparts on a bike before the end of the week. Tomorrow might be a good day to start.

Is rain forecast? That would quieten them on the Order of Business.

I might even be able to supply the bikes if they need them. I encourage colleagues to do this to give a good example.

We are supporting the Sutton to Sandycove route, National Bike Week, European Mobility Week and work travel plans in major employers across the country and we are developing smarter travel demonstration projects. I will make an announcement on the outline of the scheme shortly. Money will be made available for these and the smarter travel town scheme as well. A sum of €2 million is being provided for the green schools programme and €2 million is also being provided for sustainable travel and transport.

Deputies asked about the DTA. We are in the recruiting process. Interviews for the chief executive officer post have taken place. Subhead C3 is just a holding allocation of €1,000. Once the chief executive officer is in place and discussions are finalised with the Department of Finance, we will put the budget and staff of the authority in place.

I do not wish to make a political football out of road fatalities. People can cite whatever statistics they like to suit their argument. I was disappointed with the May figures, as they were a reversal of a consistent trend over the previous six to eight months. Compared with this time last year, 17 fewer people have been killed so far this year, which is a welcome trend. A total of 115 people have died on our roads in 2009, which is 115 too many, but so far this month just three people have been killed on the roads, although I am always wary about using statistics. I would love that trend to continue for the rest of the month. However, the trend is downwards.

I was Minister for the Environment and Local Government when we started out on road safety strategies and setting targets. I was warned at the time that it was dangerous to do that because if targets were not met, I would be ballyragged by the Opposition and the public, but it is still important to set targets because it means people will try to achieve them. We are meeting them. I hope the number of road deaths in May was a blip and the downward trend will continue.

I do not accept Deputy O'Dowd's contention that the road network is crumbling. Serious questions would have to be asked of local authorities if, after they have been asked to take a reduction in local and regional grant funding for the first time in ten years, the road network started to crumble within three months. That would mean we did not achieve good value for money over the past ten years.

I refer to other road safety issues raised. I explained the cut in the RSA public relations budget. The authority received a substantial increase last year, €11 million of which was to deal with the backlog in driving tests. The RSA could not maintain that funding but it did a fantastic job in reducing the waiting times for tests to an average of eight weeks. The authority was granted substantial increases this year in the cost of tests and, therefore, it has sources of income.

An issue has been raised about the Garda traffic corps and overtime. If we have a dedicated traffic corps, overtime should not be an issue.

Why are these officers never seen on the roads? I only see them around Dublin. Where are they?

I travel around the country and I have seen them everywhere. These officers are active but overtime is not needed to ensure they enforce road traffic laws. They are part of a dedicated corps and we know the danger hours for traffic.

The Commissioner does not agree with the Minister.

They are on the roads during those hours and the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The numbers are coming down.

We do not share the same objectives regarding this issue. I have spoken to gardaí and road safety officials. Garda overtime has been reduced and the problem is that most accidents occur at weekends or early in the morning and so on. If overtime is reduced, the traffic corps members will be not be out as much as they should be because funding is not provided for them to do so.

I do not accept that the traffic corps should be working overtime.

I do not disagree on that principle. However, officers are not out as often as they should be. More people died in May 2009 than in May 2008. The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform has refused to give me the facts in reply to my questions in the Dáil about cutbacks in overtime for the Garda traffic corps. If we had those facts, we would know who is right.

I did not make an assertion about whether overtime has been cut. If this is a dedicated traffic corps, officers should be on the roads at the times they should be and overtime should not have an effect on that. Officers should work a 39-hour week and they are doing that.

At a previous meeting the Garda Commissioner sat in the chair in which the Minister now sits and I asked him about the role of a dedicated traffic corps. He told me not to suggest some gardaí work only on traffic duties. When they were needed, he said, they would do other things. There have been 16 gun murders since the start of the year and we have major crime issues. After the banking and financial crisis, the biggest crisis facing the country is crime. The Commissioner said he would use his 14,000 men and women as he saw fit and, as such, might not be able to allocate sufficient manpower to the traffic function. That is a fundamental problem.

The Minister has seen the statistics from the United Kingdom. When the members of the traffic corps of its 43 police forces were out and about on the roads and after installing a camera network, the numbers of collisions and casualties dropped dramatically. Many think the Minister should be more proactive in this regard.

That is precisely the point I am making. The numbers of road deaths in January and February were the lowest we have ever had.

It is astonishing that the chairman of the Road Safety Authority, Mr. Gay Byrne, had to publicly ask for the money which had been cut from his advertising budget to be given back. Although the June figures are welcome, it is horrific that there have been three casualties. The advertising programme has been resumed and seems to work, with the other measures taken. Mr. Byrne also called on the Minister to get the speed cameras operational, as the failure to instal them was the problem.

The key measure is the provision of speed cameras.

The provision of speed cameras is a matter for the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

It is also a matter for the Department of Transport.

No, the implementing agency for the road safety strategy is the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform which is finalising discussions with the successful tenderer.

Is the Department of Transport not involved, with the Garda Síochána and the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform?

No, the implementating——

What about policy?

The policy has been decided. We will have speed cameras.

The fact is they have not been put in place. Road safety is a key aspect of the Minister's responsibility. The Garda Síochána states, on its website, that speed is the single greatest contributory factor in road deaths and serious injuries, but speed cameras are not being put in place. The Minister sits around the Cabinet table with the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, but the policy is not being implemented.

One of the things I did in devising the road safety strategy was to ensure the person or Department responsible for any one of the 126 recommendations would be part of the strategy. Speed cameras are the responsibility of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

The public sees a Government which has not acted; the Minister cannot avoid his responsibility.

Why does the Minister not go to the Taoiseach and ask him to be given responsibility for the whole programme? The Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform has enough issues to deal with. The Minister should take responsibility and provide the cameras this year.

The Deputy should not make a nonsensical suggestion. I will not run the Garda Síochána as I have enough to do in running the Department of Transport.

The Minister for Transport is responsible to the people for road safety, not the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

Deputy Broughan will not make "Oireachtas Report" as its producers will already have put together their package for tonight's programme.

I resent Deputy Dooley's comment. This is a very serious issue.

I accept that, but the Deputy has misrepresented what the Garda Commissioner said at a previous meeting of the committee.

I am asking the Minister to accept responsibility for the issue. We have always adopted an all-party approach and it is not only Gay Byrne who is frustrated — we are all frustrated on this side of the House. We would like the Minister to take charge. In the past he made decisions and, while we may not have not agreed with them, at least he acted. It seems as if the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform is swimming in a sea of treacle; therefore, why does he not ask to be given responsibility for the programme?

We are discussing the Estimates for the Department of Transport.

The number of deaths on the roads has decreased significantly in the past six months.

I remind Deputies that we are dealing with the Estimates for the Department of Transport. They are free to raise the role of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform in that context.

We are asking for joint responsibility.

I wish to ask the Minister about the national vehicle and driver file. Some 200,000 motorists escape penalty points because they are not officially holders of a driving licence. Not all live outside the State, although I accept that a significant number live in Northern Ireland. An automatic fine was introduced to avoid the need for people to go to court and to ensure only those who did not pay the fine were summonsed. Last year, however, there were almost 90,000 such cases in the District Courts and, of the 80,000 who should have paid, only 14,000 did so. There is a serious issue in following up these cases. Does the Minister propose to change the law to deal with the matter? Rather than providing for a mandatory return to court within 120 days, the fine could be increased after that time, perhaps to twice or three times the original fine. The District Courts are being clogged up with these cases and ordinary business cannot be done. People have a right to go to court to challenge a fine, but there should be a default position, whereby if they do not go to court by the date in question, they are required to pay an increased fine.

There are 196,000 cases where drivers did not present an Irish driving licence after incurring penalty points. Of these, 143,000, or 74% of the total, were holders of foreign driving licences.

Is that a fact? I never heard that figure before today.

Yes, the information I have shows that 143,000 cases involved foreign driving licences. Of the remaining 53,000, 48,000 were recorded following conviction by the courts and approximately 5,000 were selected to make the financial payment associated with penalty points because they did not present details of an Irish or any other licence. The question of following up on these cases is one for the Courts Service. I agree that people who do not pay fines should be pursued, but it is a matter for the courts system and the Garda Síochána. Details of those with foreign driving licences, while not in the NVDF, are kept on record.

Is that in case they come into the system at some other time?

Yes. We are finalising the details on the mutual recognition of disqualification which will be of some help, but it will probably be another three or four years before we can get agreement on the way forward on penalty points.

I have one further point to make on this issue. Approximately 90% of those who have penalty points for driving without insurance do not have a driving licence. A disproportionate number of those caught driving while using a mobile phone do not have a driving licence. We need a strategy to deal with this cohort who do not have a driving licence because they are breaking significant and serious rules. While I do not state they are getting away without penalties in court, they are not receiving the penalty points associated with these offences. Perhaps there should be a meeting with the Garda Síochána to deal with the issue, as it would make the roads safer for everybody.

I will raise the matter at the next meeting on road safety because it is relevant.

Deputy Dooley asked a question on aviation.

On the general point about aviation and strategic routes, at the time the problem arose when Aer Lingus came off the Shannon to London Heathrow route — as Deputies acknowledged, it is now back on the route and last Friday's announcement means it will provide an extra flight which will be helpful — we went into the matter in great detail because a number of people had claimed we could get support for it and operate a PSO service. The secretary general, Mr. John Murphy, was involved in that process and knows his way around the system very well. However, there was no basis on which we could get support for routes such as this. Once commercial airlines operate on a particular route the type of support mentioned by Deputy Dooley would constitute state aid and is not eligible. However, that does not stop us from trying and we will inquire about the matter.

I share the Deputy's concern about the Shannon to JFK route. Every route into and out of Ireland is important and we emphasise time and again the need for connectivity. I would not like all of us to be dependent on having to travel via London or Amsterdam to JFK. At a time when we are discussing the preclearance agreement which was finalised in the Seanad today I would not like to see anything happen to services on that route and if there is anything we can do to try to avoid this, we will do it. I have spoken to Aer Lingus about the matter and will do so again.

Was any other issue raised in the general questions put to the Minister?

I think I have covered most of them, unless someone can tell me I have missed one.

On the speed camera issue, is Go-Safe still the preferred bidder? Do we have any idea of the cost involved? The chairperson of the RSA must have considered that costing was an element of the provision of speed cameras.

With regard to aviation under subhead D2 and to follow up on Deputy Dooley's point, last year we committed to a spend of €44.5 million on the three year PSO contracts to support regional airports. In the 2009 budget before us there is a spend of €14.78 million provided for. Is this spending ring-fenced for the three years in order that we will not be able to interfere with it and, therefore, not damage our regional airports? Is it the case that Ryanair is still running to the European Court of First Instance? Money has been allocated in the budget and I presume it is to be used to fight the case.

The Ryanair case is still ongoing and it is expected it will be dealt with during the second half of the year; therefore, we have to provide for it. With regard to PSO services to regional airports, they remain intact, but they are subject to the same reviews as every other programme in place. However, the contracts have been signed in these instances.

That is the position, for example, in the case of the airport in Galway for three years.

Yes, for the three-year period. If the contracts were to be broken, I think the position is that six months notice would have to be given one way or the other.

With regard to speed cameras, as I am not privy to the discussions which have taken place between the contractor and the Garda, I cannot provide the Deputy with the details he seeks. All I know from speaking to my colleague is that discussions have continued with the preferred bidder. As happened with regard to other proposed contracts, in the light of the current economic circumstances discussions took place on the issue of cost to try to ensure the best possible value was achieved. I will have a better idea later in the week, but I understand good progress has been made in the discussions and that the details should be finalised sooner rather than later in the coming weeks.

I asked a question about a controversy that occurred some time ago with regard to a road haulier who had drug convictions and obtained a licence from the Department. The matter is being investigated by the Garda Ombudsman. I asked a number of questions of the Department of Transport to establish how many, if any, other such cases had occurred and was told that it would be far too difficult to obtain the information sought. I would like a report from the Department on the number of complaints received in the past two years from those who believe individuals might be disqualified by reason of having convictions for serious offences such as drugs. It is an important issue; a lot of concern was expressed about people in the road haulage business who had convictions for drugs offfences and about whom complaints had been made and who still had a licence. Is this true? I do not want to waste the Department's time, but let us have a clear picture of what is going on.

As the Deputy is aware, I asked for a review of one specific case and a more general review in that context. That report is now with me; I received it earlier this week and it contains recommendations, about which I must speak to the Attorney General's office. Part of the difficulty in the one specific case about which we know is that initially it was not declared in the self-declaration process and afterwards the Garda had to give a report on whether a person was of good repute. The legislation was interpreted as applying to certain drugs offences only. That is the difficulty in trying to pin down this matter. If we received a self-declaration form or a Garda clearance certificate, we would not necessarily be aware whether the person concerned had a conviction for drugs offences. That is the difficulty.

I refer to circumstances where somebody has made a complaint. The answer I received referred to a conviction for driving with illegal diesel, for example. However, if people are involved in significant breaches of the law, for drugs offences, for example, it must be taken into account.

I certainly agree with the Deputy. The system needs to be tightened considerably.

Will the Minister be in a position to publish the report about which he spoke?

I do not believe there is a significant problem associated with the report. What I do will be subject to legal advice and confidentiality must be borne in mind.

Let us consider subhead C — public transport. The Minister is remarkable for photocalls and opening facilities and events; his performance in respect of the Cork-Midleton line is one of the most astonishing. According to the Irish Examiner today, he travelled down to Midleton, sat in a train that did not move and which was not certified to move or carry passengers, and made an announcement about the €75 million Cork-Midleton commuter rail service. The local Deputy, Deputy Stanton, noted the timetable was such that the commuter service would be useless because the first train from Midleton would arrive eight minutes after the Dublin-bound train had left Kent Station in Cork. It is astonishing; perhaps it is a metaphor for much of what has been happening with public transport this year. The Minister made a big, fancy announcement and, according to the Irish Examiner, the earliest date on which the Cork-Midleton line will be in operation is 27 July. It is like when the former Taoiseach, Deputy Bertie Ahern, had the Luas carriages installed outside the gates of the Dáil for months or years before we saw an actual Luas engine. The Minister was in that league a few weeks ago, given the developments concerning the Cork-Midleton line.

Public transport investment seems to be subject to remarkable cutbacks. Since the fleets of Dublin Bus and Bus Éireann were slashed, has the Department monitored the impact of the cutbacks on commuters? What is the impact on the national bus network of Bus Éireann which facilitates small towns and villages nationwide? Subhead C2 shows a decrease of 29% in public transport investment. This is an astonishing development for any Minister to preside over. My party and Sinn Féin tabled a joint motion to be taken at 7 p.m. on jobs and making economic progress. In this context, the transport budget should be sacrosanct. The Minister needs to fight for that budget and ensure public transport will not be decimated.

What is the position on metro west? Was it a fantastic pipe dream for Clondalkin, Blanchardstown and the other areas of the western part of the capital city? They have been waiting for it for a long time. Will anything happen in this area? What is the position on the Broadstone Luas connector? Has the timetable been pushed beyond 2016? What is the real impact in terms of the key Transport 21 projects?

I hope the Minister is correct about metro north and the interconnector. We strongly agree they are vital to finally providing a modern public transport network in the city. What will happen in this regard? Will any significant pre-construction works begin on the large boxes on O'Connell Street, as the tenderers call them? Will the bus gate works begin in addition to the intense preparatory work? Given the current state of progress, it is beginning to look as if the project will not be completed by 2016. I understand the position of An Bord Pleanála on metro north, on which we have heard disturbing reports that the leader of Fine Gael seems to be getting a bit shaky. I hope he was misreported.

I believe Deputy Broughan is reading Deputy Kelly's press releases.

I hope they were misreported because, if not, there will be a very significant impact.

Does the Deputy believe in fairytales?

Is this a united Opposition? The Mullingar accord.

I never accepted any Mullingar accord or any others.

I can see that.

As Deputy Gilmore says, we are not Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael but the Labour Party.

We might not be going into any alliance with either of the conservative parties.

Joe Higgins.

Poor old Frank Cluskey, may the Lord have mercy on him——

I want to bring the meeting to a conclusion. Deputy Broughan should be allowed to continue without interruption.

There will never be difficulties in obtaining a Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael majority in current circumstances.

With regard to metro north and the interconnector, the two flagship projects, as well as the other projects, will the cutbacks the Minister is overseeing this year under subhead C involve very bad news for public transport?

With regard to section 4.1 of the annual output statement, pertaining to integration and sustainability, when can we hope to receive conclusions and implementation proposals regarding the feasibility studies carried out in Limerick, Galway, Cork and Waterford? They are very important to the future of public transport in these cities. I compliment the Department on funding the initiatives.

I will address the Chairman's point first. In all cases, the reports are almost complete. Earlier today the Cork and Galway city managers brought me up to date on the status of their reports. They are almost completed and it is expected they will be fully completed by the end of July. The managers want to submit them to their new councils — probably in September. Once they are signed off by the councils, we can make decisions on them. The authorities in Waterford started a little later than the others; therefore, the report may take a little longer to complete. The one for Limerick will be submitted to me in September.

Deputy Broughan referred to metro north and the DART interconnector. The application for metro north is with An Bord Pleanála and I have absolutely no control over how long it will take to be considered. The inspector has requested geological and other surveys which have been made available. I understand he said consideration would be adjourned for a four-week period, which has probably passed. The matter is in the lap of the gods until it is dealt with by An Bord Pleanála, but the Government remains committed to the project. We would like to see the project leave the An Bord Pleanála stage quickly and consistent with doing a good job, but we have no control over the matter. For this reason, I do not make predictions about when works will start or finish.

Regarding the DART interconnector, Iarnród Éireann expects to submit an application for a railway order to An Bord Pleanála by the end of the year. It is making good progress, but the matter will be one for An Bord Pleanála to decide once the application is made. We do not intend to work on the Luas line BXD to Broadstone during the construction of metro north, except for works that are compatible between the two projects. The starting date for work on the line is 2016, but we will try to ensure we get through the planning processes and the project is ready to start on time. We will try to carry out any accommodating works to coincide with the metro project.

The metro west business case has been submitted to the Department for consideration based on the alignment chosen. If we agree with it, I presume the next stage will be the seeking of a railway order.

I had a pleasant day in County Cork and took the opportunity to visit the new station at Midleton where great work has been done. It is one of the first railway lines to be opened for many years. I was treated hospitably by the people of County Cork and was pleased with the way the whole day went.

Did the Minister subsequently telephone Iarnród Éireann about the issues involved?

I did not notice any. A fantastic job has been done.

The media seemed to notice them.

The media notice all sorts of things. In 1997 we spent €6 million on public transport. This year we will spend more than €600 million.

That was in the last century.

It represents a great achievement. Recently I visited Limerick to see a tunnel on which approximately €800 million is being spent. Significant progress has been made.

If there are no other questions, I will make a final comment on Iarnród Éireann, although I do not want to end on a negative note. I apologise for being delayed, but one of my guests today became ill at the Department of the Taoiseach. The members of the group had travelled from Galway, but they could not get a cup of tea on the train because there was not enough boiling water available. This is the third time I have heard such a complaint in as many weeks. That Iarnród Éireann would run a new train system and find it impossible to give passengers a cup of tea is not acceptable in this day and age. Will the Minister bring the matter to its attention, as I also intend to do?

Has the service been outsourced? According to another report in today's newspaper, the service has been outsourced on the Cork train.

It has been, but it is still the responsibility of Iarnród Éireann to ensure a basic level of service is provided. It is not good enough.

That concludes the select committee's consideration of the Revised Estimates for Vote 32 — Department of Transport for the year ending 31 December 2009 and the annual output statement. I thank the Minister and his officials for attending and assisting our consideration. I also thank his other departmental officials who are always most cordial and responsive to me, as Chairman, and members when we seek assistance with briefings and so on.

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