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Select Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport debate -
Wednesday, 7 Dec 2016

Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport (Supplementary)

The meeting has been convened to consider the Supplementary Estimate for Vote 31, Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport. I remind members that the Estimates are supplementary, rather than the totality. As we are in public session, I request that all mobile phones would be switched off, as distinct from being put on silent mode.

I thank the Minister, Deputy Ross and his officials for attending and assisting in our consideration of the Supplementary Estimates for 2016. I remind members that we are only considering the Supplementary Estimates and that while members may discuss issues relevant to the individual subheads they may not recommend increases or decreases in the Supplementary Estimates. There are no votes. I invite the Minister to make his opening statement.

Thank you Chairman. I will be seeing some members again this afternoon in the Dáil. I wish to address the Supplementary Estimates today and thank the committee for the chance to present the details of the Supplementary Estimate for my Department.

The winter of 2015 to 2016 will be remembered as an exceptional one across Ireland, with many climate records broken and high impact weather events causing considerable disruption from flooding in particular, but also from high winds. A succession of winter storms tracked across the country, bringing persistent and, in places, record-breaking rainfall, most notably from Storm Desmond between 4 and 6 December 2015. In total, six storms occurred during that winter period starting with Storm Desmond and finishing with Storm Imogen. Records were set for both monthly and seasonal rainfall accumulations widely across Ireland. That had a severe impact on the road and rail networks.

In response, the Government decided in January 2016 to allocate extra severe weather funding to address the damage caused to the road and rail network. The total funding package agreed was €106.1 million, with €96.1 million to be provided by the Exchequer and €10 million from within the Department's existing allocations for regional and local roads. Therefore, the amount being sought in this Supplementary Estimate is €96.1 million. The breakdown of the extra spend during 2016 was regional and local roads - €80.1 million; national roads - €8 million and Irish Rail - €8 million. The amounts were advised to Transport Infrastructure Ireland, TII, in respect of national roads and to Irish Rail in respect of the rail network.

Regarding regional and local roads, my Department requested local authorities to submit an immediate list of proposed road repair works by 5 February 2016. It was indicated to local authorities that funding would be allocated in two tranches, with the initial allocation facilitating local authorities to start repairs as quickly as possible and the allocation of a second tranche in May intended to allow some time for the further investigation and evaluation of proposed works, for example in relation to bridges.

All of the moneys under the different headings have since been spent and are in the process of being claimed through the normal end-of-year processes. With regard to the rail network, as the Deputies will recall, many lines on the rail network were badly affected by the storms with sections on some lines closed for short periods and, in the case of parts of the western rail corridor, closed for a number of months.

The €8 million in funding provided for repairs to the rail network includes funding for the following projects - repairs to railway bridges and culverts; track repairs and alignments; drainage repairs and remediation; significant coastal protection works for the rail line in Murrough, County Wicklow and dredging at Rosslare.

I would be happy to address any questions that this committee may have.

I thank the Minister. Deputy Munster is top of the list.

I am the only one here. I can have a field day.

Has that additional money been spent already? Was that the additional money agreed in January because of the storm damage etc. or is it additional funding from the Exchequer?

Yes, the money was additional and the €8 million has been spent.

I am talking about the figure of €96 million.

Yes, that was additional money.

The Minister suggested in his ministerial briefing in May that there would be more funding for the roads. Has that come on stream and if so how much was it?

There was a tranche in February and one in May. That has all come on stream and will all be spent.

How much was secured in May?

It was €9 million for local and regional authorities in May, €72 million was applied for and €9 million was given.

Is that funding additional to the original budgetary allocation?

There were two tranches.

In his briefing for 2016 the Minister referred to the local and regional roads network requiring €540 million but the allocation is €334 million, which is significantly short of the amount needed. Given the deterioration of regional and local roads could the Minister not have secured a little more funding? It will require €580 per year to keep them in a steady state.

This was specifically for storm flooding repairs. The allocations were made on that basis. This was not an extra allocation to improve roads willy nilly. It was for specific problems which arose as a result of the storms.

I am talking about the deficit in respect of the regional and local road funding. It was stated that €580 million per year was needed to keep them in a steady state but in the overall budget the allocation is €334 million. That is far short of what is required.

It is short of what is required. I agree with the Deputy. Under the capital plan the moneys are due to increase.

I have now secured the first significant step towards restoring funding to a sustainable level in the medium term, particularly for the regional and local roads that the Deputy refers to. The capital expenditure on the regular maintenance of local and regional roads will increase from €250 million in 2016 to €275 million in 2017 which is a 10% increase excluding the emergency funding provided for storm and flood damage in 2016.

With respect, that is still far short of the €280 million to keep them in a steady state condition. It will cost more in the long term.

By 2020 it will reach a steady state condition. We will be short of a steady state condition until then. It is regrettable but it is not something we can resolve without more funds.

In the Minister's briefing he stated that national roads were seriously or grossly underfunded but there was an allocation of an additional €8 million which seems minuscule in comparison to what is needed.

That was what was requested. That was all Transport Infrastructure Ireland, TII, looked for and that is what it got. I was not going to give it more than it looked for. The capital plan will provide for the steady state situation. This was very specific. TII looked for €8 million and that is what it got.

That was all it felt it needed.

Yes, in response to the crisis.

I thank the Minister very much for his presentation. In the context of the requirement for additional funding in the event of adverse weather conditions, while I am conscious that this morning the temperature is 17 or 18 degrees and the highest risk is of the tar melting on the road, how prepared are we for any future adverse events, storms or very cold weather such as we had in 2009-2010? Is there an emergency task force or some group that is ready to meet in such a situation? In the event of there being serious storms or a cold snap in winter 2016-2017 would the Minister be confident of being able to secure funding similar to that secured in early 2016?

I think 40% of the money has been given for preventative measures. The ratio is 60:40, with 60% for a response to what happened and 40% for preventative measures. We hope that it will not repeat itself because the preventative measures will be effective and there will not be such a crisis or a need for such large funds in the future. We cannot guarantee that, despite the weather today, because we are in a very volatile climate situation. We do not know what will happen.

I have raised the issue of a contingency fund and there is no contingency fund but it is being addressed across Departments. We in the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport certainly do not have the money to suddenly find €80 million or €96 million or €106 million. I think €10 million came from our resources for this. This is being addressed across Departments because it affects, for example, the Department of Communications, Climate Action and the Environment and others. I cannot predict the future but it is being addressed because it has caused very great difficulties and there is certainly no contingency fund of the size necessary to meet such a situation. That does not mean that if there is an emergency we will not find it but it is not there at the moment.

Is the task force waiting on the sidelines in the event of an emergency or does it meet regularly? Does it change with a change of Minister?

It does not change.

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