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Departmental Expenditure

Dáil Éireann Debate, Tuesday - 25 October 2011

Tuesday, 25 October 2011

Questions (106)

Anne Ferris

Question:

120 Deputy Anne Ferris asked the Minister for Finance if he will provide details for the years 2006 to 2011, inclusive, of the arrangements entered into by him, any body under his aegis or State agency for which he has responsibility, for the obtaining of advice from a senior or junior counsel and or a firm of solicitors; the subject matter for which advice was sought; the names of the barristers and solicitors firms concerned and the fees paid; the nature of the work concerned; if in each case the matter was advertised for competitive tender and if not, the reason; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [30968/11]

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In general, my Department uses the services of the Office of the Attorney General and the Office of the Chief State Solicitor. However, it also seeks outside legal advisors in circumstances requiring legal services of a specific nature. The costs associated with the Office of the Attorney General and the Office of the Chief State Solicitor are borne by their respective Votes. The following tables set out the detail sought by the Deputy in relation to the legal fees paid by my Department and by the Offices under the aegis of my Department for the years 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and to date in 2011.

The Deputy should note, that information in respect of my Department covers some activities for which responsibility transferred to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform from July 2011.

Both the National Treasury Management Agency and the Central Bank were unable to provide the information requested by the Deputy in the time available, however this information is being collated and will be issued to the Deputy.

Department of Finance

Advisor

2006

2007

2008

2009

2010

2011 (to date)

Reason

Tender Yes/No

Philip Lee Solicitors

18,501

0

0

0

0

0

Advice in relation to the drafting of construction contracts

Yes

McCann Fitzgerald

0

0

48,400

0

0

0

Advice relating to procurement of air/transport agency services

Yes

McCann Fitzgerald

39,325

14,664

0

0

0

Advice relating to Public Sector Standard Conditions of engagement for construction consultants

Yes

Matheson Ormsby Prentice

5,608

25,549

0

0

0

0

Advice relating to general supplies and services contracts

Yes

Max Abrahamson

18,150

12,100

0

0

0

0

Advice relating to Public Sector Standard Conditions and amendments to Arbitration and Conciliation regulations

Yes

Arthur Cox

0

1,628,024

5,875,869

4,804,884

962,579

Advice relating to bank guarantee scheme

No*

A&L Goodbody

440,556

137,090

182,007

0

0

0

Advice relating to Standard Public Works Contracts for works contractors

Yes

A&L Goodbody

29,310

66,657

0

0

0

0

Advice relating to Public Private Partnership, terms and conditions

Yes

A&L Goodbody

92,130

112,050

0

0

0

0

Advice relating to sale of ACC bank

Yes

Paul O’Higgins S.C.

0

0

0

15,125

0

Advice provided to Messrs Regling and Watson as part of their preliminary investigation into the banking sector

Yes

David Barniville SC

0

0

0

0

0

36,402

Advice in relation to Credit Institutions Stabilisation Act

No. SC Engaged by AG’s office

Niamh Hyland BL

0

0

0

0

0

24,657

Advice in relation to Credit Institutions Stabilisation Act

No. BL engaged by AG’s office

Lúan Ó Braonáin S.C.

0

0

0

0

0

2,226

Advice in relation to Outside Appointments Board

No. Nominated by Gen Counsel Bar of Ireland

Office of the Appeal Commissioners

Nil reply

Office of the C&AG

The C&AG's role as auditor of the accounts of all Government Departments, other Funds controlled by the State and many State Sponsored Bodies can lead to situations where the Office has to obtain independent legal advice as a conflict of interest could arise for the Attorney General as the legal adviser representing the body the Office requires legal advice on. The Office procures all legal services for a period of three years at a time, using a competitive open tendering process. It is not possible to set out the individual subject matter of advice sought over each three-year period. Indicatively, the Office seeks a firm of solicitors which can offer the following types of advice; Litigation, Contract Law, Defamation, Employment Law, Administrative Law and Legislation.

Legal advice was sought on a case-by-case basis, where the primary provider of legal services during the period concerned suffered from a conflict of interest. Where the Office procures legal advice separately to this draw down arrangement, the subject of the advice is given in the table below.

Office of C&AG

Advisor

2006

2007

2008

2009

2010

2011 (to date)

Reason

Tender Yes/No

Matheson Ormsby Prentice

14,621

37,842

0

0

6,007

0

Variety of issues relating to day-to-day work of the Office

Yes

William Fry

0

2,315

0

0

0

0

Work relating to chapter in Annual Report

No— specialist single issue.

Maurice G Collins

0

3,025

0

0

0

0

Advice in relation to an audit

No— specialist single issue.

Mason Hayes Curran

13,078

16,568

8,030

Variety of issues relating to day-to-day work of the Office

Yes

Philip Lee Solicitors

0

0

0

0

0

10,568

Variety of issues relating to day-to-day work of the Office

Yes

Philip Lee Solicitors

0

0

0

0

0

48,599

NAMA due diligence advice

No. Firms approached to participate in tendering process all had a conflict of interest.

Revenue

I am advised by the Revenue Commissioners that the Revenue Solicitor provides legal services for Revenue and in that capacity engages external barristers in circumstances that require specific legal advices and legal opinions on issues in Tax, Customs and general litigation, for advising proofs for Court and Administrative Tribunal cases and for providing full advocacy services in the conduct of Tax, Customs and general litigation (both civil and criminal) before the District, Circuit, High and Supreme Courts, Appeal Commissioners and other administrative tribunals. The use of a competitive tendering process for these services is not feasible.

Virtually all the fees paid to Counsel relate to tax and customs compliance, including tax avoidance. The requirement for legal advice arises in the context of individual tax and customs cases, which cannot be detailed for reasons of taxpayer confidentiality, where Revenue is challenging, or being challenged. Other than the figures in Table 2 below, it is not possible to disaggregate the fees paid for advice from those paid for litigation and advocacy services.

For completeness, I am advised by the Revenue Commissioners that following competitive tender they entered into contracts with firms of solicitors to provide legal services associated with debt collection and recovery. These are essentially outsourcing contracts and the expenditure is set out in Table 3 below.

Table 1: Total fees paid to Counsel in respect of services provided to Revenue Commissioners, including VAT.

2006

2007

2008

2009

2010

2011 (To 30/09/2011)

1,346,003

1,315,252

1,949,170

1,660,464

1,489,762

889,130

Table 2: Fees paid to Solicitors firms for advice, including VAT

Year

Firm

Fees

Purpose

2009

Philip Lee

€10,518.42

Procurement and contract advice for the provision of Legal Services associated with Debt Collection and Recovery.

2009

Arthur Cox

€12,413.93

Advice — Employment Law

2010

Philip Lee

€2,099.81

Procurement and contract advice for the provision of security services.

2010

Philip Lee

€15,447.40

Contracts relating to ICT External Resource procurement

2010

Arthur Cox

€656.80

Advice — Employment Law

2011

Arthur Cox

€2,922.15

Procurement Advice

2011

Arthur Cox

€14,345.18

Advice — Employment Law

Table 3: Expenditure on Debt Collection and Recovery, including VAT and outlay.

Firm

2006

2007

2008

2009

2010

2011 (to date)

Holmes O’Malley Sexton, Limerick

€587,967

€714,860

€838,145

€738,295

€716,246

€604,758

Ivor Fitzpatrick & Co, Dublin

€563,640

€643,981

€615,345

€1,155,081

€1,095,244

€827,894

Lavelle Coleman & Co, Dublin

Nil

Nil

Nil

Nil

€239,378

€434,590

Mason Hayes & Curran, Dublin

€750,780

€633,535

€773,212

€662,173

€615,068

€537,168

Matheson Ormsby Prentice, Dublin

€1,083,020

€916,064

€794,517

€746,975

€712,810

€780,719

Pierse & Fitzgibbon, Listowel

€773,524

€741,625

€846,706

€837,688

€730,065

€649,925

George V. Maloney, Cavan

€943,669

€686,751

€471,984

€598,573

€639,838

€111,745

Barristers Fees 2006

Name

Gross Fee + VAT

Aston, Anthony

€104,302.00

Barron, Robert

€7,925.50

Bourke, Conor

€51,773.88

Butler, Nuala

€17,000.50

Cahill, Dermot

€11,253.00

Clifford, Eoin

€1,996.50

Clohessy, Grainne

€90,852.85

Collins, Anthony M.

€61,014.25

Connolly, James

€26,015.00

Conway, Brendan

€73,592.20

Dillon, Justin

€28,737.50

Dwyer, James

€6,594.50

Farrelly, Marjorie

€11,446.60

Fennelly, Will

€5,445.00

Finn, Eileen

€14,025.11

Fitzsimons, Eoghan

€135,399.00

Fullam, His Honour, Raymond

€114,284.50

Gallagher, Lorna

€13,612.50

Gallagher, Paul

€19,844.00

Gilvarry, David F.

€701.80

Goodman, Aoife

€14,399.00

Grehan, Brendan

€1,875.50

Heneghan, Margaret

€3,569.50

J. Travers, Noel

€14,580.50

Kierse, Alison

€3,872.00

Lyons, Richard

€6,171.00

McBratney, R. John

€7,925.50

McDermott, Paul Anthony

€13,410.43

McDonagh, Feichin

€2,420.00

McDonagh, Sunniva

€3,012.90

McDonald, Denis

€27,184.66

McDonough, Donough M.

€1,028.50

McGarry, Paul

€8,530.50

McGinn, Dominic

€8,954.00

McGovern, Jeananne

€1,694.00

Murray, Brian

€21,810.25

O’Higgins, Paul

€20,691.00

Ó hOisín, Colm

€1,815.00

O’Keeffe, Daniel

€56,144.00

O’Mara, Helen

€1,391.50

O’Connor, Caoilte

€1,877.92

O’Donnell, Michael

€17,787.00

O’Hanlon, Niall

€30,262.10

O’Mahony, Mark

€113,810.59

Ramsay, Ciaran

€23,050.50

Smith, Kelley

€1,210.00

Spierin, Brian

€45,980.00

Tighe, Una

€95,729.15

€1,346,003.19

Barristers Fees 2007

Name

Gross Fee + VAT

Aston, Anthony

€97,545.80

Barron, Robert

€12,100.00

Bourke, Conor

€49,065.50

Cahill, Dermot

€17,061.00

Clarke, Douglas

€28,919.00

Clohessy, Grainne

€133,402.50

Collins, Anthony M.

€52,332.50

Collins, Michael

€2,601.50

Conway, Brendan

€66,138.60

Coughlan, Stephen

€6,534.00

Dillon, Justin

€10,587.50

Dwyer, James

€4,235.00

Farrelly, Marjorie

€10,369.70

Finn, Eileen

€25,601.18

Fitzsimons, Eoghan

€45,496.00

Fullam, His Honour, Raymond

€189,970.00

Gaffney, Brian

€5,687.00

Goodman, Aoife

€16,335.00

Gormley, Paul

€6,836.50

J. Travers, Noel

€23,312.47

Kierse, Alison

€23,776.50

Lyons, Richard

€1,815.00

McBratney, R. John

€3,025.00

McDermott, Paul Anthony

€21,780.00

McDonald, Denis

€61,226.00

McGinn, Dominic

€21,356.50

McGovern, Jeananne

€6,050.00

McGowan, Fiona

€1,089.00

Murray, Brian

€7,720.38

Naidoo, Kerida

€3,690.50

O’Keeffe, Daniel

€21,417.00

O’Hanlon, Niall

€107,861.65

O’Mahony, Mark

€102,335.75

O’Reilly, Patrick

€1,270.50

Ramsay, Ciaran

€98,212.07

Smith, Kelley

€10,950.50

Sreenan, Pearse

€2,420.00

Tighe, Una

€15,125.00

€1,315,252.10

Barristers Fees 2008

Name

Gross Fee + VAT

Aston, Anthony

€155,313.00

Barniville, David

€4,598.00

Barron, Robert

€12,221.00

Bourke, Conor

€79,375.40

Cahill, Dermot

€37,510.00

Clifford, Eoin

€17,605.50

Clohessy, Grainne

€288,803.50

Collins, Anthony M.

€121,910.75

Collins, Dorothy

€7,986.00

Comyn, Edward

€4,900.50

Connolly, James

€34,969.00

Conway, Brendan

€114,734.30

Dillon, Justin

€4,295.50

Farrelly, Marjorie

€10,043.00

Finn, Eileen

€27,406.50

Fitzsimons, Eoghan

€156,271.50

Fullam, His Honour, Raymond

€14,520.00

Gaffney, Brian

€18,694.50

Gallagher, Lorna

€2,178.00

Gallagher, Paul

€2,117.50

Goodman, Aoife

€11,162.57

Heneghan, Margaret

€3,388.00

Kelly, Kieran

€3,267.00

Kerr, Anthony

€31,157.50

Kierse, Alison

€35,150.50

Kilfeather, Jonathan

€1,893.65

McDermott, Paul Anthony

€8,414.50

McDonagh, Sunniva

€5,868.50

McDonald, Denis

€76,000.10

McGinn, Dominic

€18,210.50

McGovern, Jeananne

€3,085.50

McGowan, Fiona

€302.50

McGuinness, Diarmuid

€3,811.50

Murray, Brian

€2,541.00

O Drisceoil, Mr. Ross

€15,584.80

O’Donnell, Michael

€14,278.00

O’Hanlon, Niall

€38,296.50

O’Higgins, Michael

€1,210.00

O’Mahony, Mark

€178,838.29

O’Reilly, Patrick

€980.10

Ramsay, Ciaran

€197,149.94

Sheehan, Lisa

€250.00

Smith, Kelley

€98,198.00

Tighe, Una

€84,678.22

€1,949,170.62

Barristers Fees 2009

Name

Gross Fee + VAT

Aston, Anthony

€80,170.56

Barron, Robert

€33,881.49

Boland, Ray

€1,285.47

Bourke, Conor

€156,719.45

Cahill, Dermot

€29,266.92

Clifford, Eoin

€4,587.84

Clohessy, Grainne

€239,485.49

Collins, Anthony M.

€234,903.24

Conway, Brendan

€19,916.28

Finn, Eileen

€36,366.65

Fitzsimons, Eoghan

€64,108.26

Fullam, His Honour, Raymond

€2,642.63

Goodman, Aoife

€34,202.25

Heneghan, Margaret

€2,012.04

Kerr, Anthony

€3,632.85

Kierse, Alison

€53,948.43

Lucey, John

€1,397.25

McDonagh, Sunniva

€7,654.50

McDonald, Denis

€12,424.59

McGinn, Dominic

€21,990.29

McGovern, Jeananne

€3,688.74

McGuinness, Diarmuid

€21,900.38

Miller, Mary Geraldine

€2,126.25

Murphy, Shane

€17,437.68

O Mara,, Helen

€5,868.45

O’Doherty, Warren & Associates

€2,209.70

O’Donnell, Donal

€1,822.50

O’Hanlon, Niall

€36,430.56

O’Mahony, Mark

€115,688.66

Quinn, Patrick

€52,854.93

Ramsay, Ciaran

€161,026.04

Ramsey, Michael

€10,244.88

Shanahan, Rudi Newman

€2,346.00

Smith, Kelley

€128,159.42

Tighe, Una

€58,063.64

€1,660,464.31

Barristers Fees 2010

Name

Gross Fee + VAT

Aston, Anthony

€74,889.32

Barron, Robert

€834.90

Binchy, Kieran

€552.00

Bourke, Conor

€43,405.85

Byrne, John

€4,397.14

Cahill, Dermot

€53,940.74

Clifford, Eoin

€10,464.08

Clohessy, Grainne

€338,936.49

Cogan, Elizabeth

€1,753.29

Collins, Anthony M.

€113,701.28

Conway, Brendan

€6,062.10

Cush, Michael

€38,962.00

Dignam, Conor

€194.81

Dunford, Mr. Craig

€1,011.54

Dwyer, James

€4,230.16

Farrelly, Marjorie

€12,634.82

Fennelly, Will

€11,813.72

Ferriter, Cian

€6,066.94

Finn, Eileen

€34,166.04

Fitzsimons, Eoghan

€1,948.10

Foley, Sarah-Kate

€552.00

Gallagher, Lorna

€1,227.51

Gillane, Sean

€929.28

Goodman, Aoife

€49,426.08

Healy-Rae, Rosemary

€4,731.10

Kearney, Brian

€8,642.94

Kelly, Kieran

€8,111.84

Kerr, Anthony

€6,044.43

Kierse, Alison

€32,402.40

Lucey, John

€10,464.08

McDermott, Paul Anthony

€946.22

McDonald, Denis

€23,321.54

McGinn, Dominic

€72,822.64

McGovern, Jeananne

€17,995.20

O Floinn, Benedict

€3,347.81

O’Connell, Jennifer

€9,907.48

O’Hanlon, Niall

€67,394.82

O’Mahony, Mark

€93,197.98

O’Reilly, Alice Mary

€10,000.00

Quinn, Patrick

€3,673.56

Ramsay, Ciaran

€109,037.94

Ramsey, Michael

€2,417.58

Smith, Kelley

€107,100.01

Spierin, Brian

€12,021.35

Tighe, Una

€72,367.68

Travers, Noel

€1,713.84

€1,489,762.63

Barristers Fees 2011

Name

Gross Fee + VAT

Aston, Anthony

€21,651.74

Barron, Robert

€13,915.00

Beck, Andrew

€7,792.40

Binchy, Kieran

€2,070.00

Bourke, Conor

€52,487.38

Byrne, John

€17,757.96

Cahill, Dermot

€50,567.11

Clarke, Seamus

€1,029.71

Clifford, Eoin

€3,005.64

Clohessy, Grainne

€142,530.74

Cogan, Elizabeth

€11,298.98

Collins, Anthony M.

€64,398.62

Connolly, Lorcan

€1,463.86

Conway, Brendan

€3,228.28

Cunningham, Arthur

€3,395.26

Dillon, Justin

€723.58

Farrelly, Marjorie

€8,349.00

Fennelly, Will

€2,170.74

Finn, Eileen

€17,054.95

Fitzsimons, Eoghan

€19,703.64

Gallagher, Lorna

€9,642.54

Goodman, Aoife

€26,772.46

Grant, Maddie

€445.28

Healy-Rae, Rosemary

€2,783.00

Kearney, Brian

€5,399.02

Kerr, Anthony

€4,843.39

Kierse, Alison

€8,738.62

Lucey, John

€7,263.63

McDermott, Paul Anthony

€2,783.00

McDonald, Denis

€5,677.32

McGinn, Dominic

€15,167.35

McGovern, Jeananne

€11,132.00

Mulloy, Eanna

€16,113.57

Murray, Brian

€21,335.93

O Mara,, Helen

€1,335.84

O’Connell, Jennifer

€9,684.84

O’Hanlon, Niall

€890.56

O’Mahony, Mark

€70,465.56

Quinn, Patrick

€17,978.18

Ramsay, Ciaran

€129,975.78

Shanahan, Rudi Newman

€1,168.86

Smith, Kelley

€60,022.05

Tighe, Una

€14,916.88

€889,130.25

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