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Children's Rights Referendum

Dáil Éireann Debate, Tuesday - 18 December 2012

Tuesday, 18 December 2012

Questions (61)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin

Question:

61. Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin asked the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs the reason, despite the recorded concerns of the Referendum Commission chairman in the previous referendum (details supplied), the Government proceeded with the publication of a parallel information guide to that prepared and distributed by the Referendum Commission in the children's rights referendum, running the risk of confusion; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [56971/12]

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Oral answers (5 contributions)

I wish to reiterate the need to be mindful of court proceedings with regard to the referendum result and the particular constraints which I face as a defendant in the High Court application at this stage. I should point out that the activities of the Referendum Commission in respect of the recent referendum were funded by way of an allocation of €1.9 million from the sum of €3 million provided in my Department’s Vote for a referendum on children’s rights. The balance of €1.1 million was used by my Department for the provision of information to the public relating to the referendum.

It is important to be clear on the fact that the report of the Referendum Commission on the stability treaty did not call for a prohibition on the Government providing information to the public in respect of referendums. This is evident in the commission's recommendation to the effect that "where a Government Department or agency produces an information guide to a referendum proposal, its design and content should ensure that it is clearly distinguished from Referendum Commission material. Any such guide should contain full contact details". This was the approach taken to the design and production of the information booklet issued by my Department in the children's referendum.

The approach adopted by the Government to the provision of information to the public in the recent referendum reflected information initiatives used previously on such occasions. As regards learning from past experience about potential confusion with the materials of the commission, specific efforts were made to avoid this happening. The Department’s main information tools were a booklet and a dedicated website. The print and limited broadcast advertising sought to draw attention to these sources of information and to call attention to the Saturday voting day. The booklet identified the Department on its cover and prominently displayed the Department’s contact details in the text; this was done twice in both the English and Irish language versions. At the conclusion of each website page, the Department’s name, logo, address and contact details were carried.

Additional information not given on the floor of the House

Comments or complaints about distinguishing between the Department’s information initiatives and those of the Referendum Commission were not a feature of the many verbal and written queries my Department received in the period before the referendum polling date.

The Government aimed, through its information materials, to encourage the maximum public debate on, and participation in, the referendum. In doing so, it was conscious of an acknowledged gap in information that can attend referendums. Indeed, in the passage of the Thirty-first Amendment of the Constitution (Children) Bill 2012 through the House in late September, speakers on all sides identified as a particular challenge the need to engage the general public with the debate, to provide explanation and to encourage turnout to vote. In that context, the House was informed during the debate on 26 September that the Government was committed - as with the European stability referendum earlier this year - to ensuring that people had all the information they needed to make an informed decision on 10 November. It was further informed that to facilitate that situation, an information website, www.childrensreferendum.ie, had been set up by the Department of Children and Youth Affairs which provided information on the constitutional amendment as well as details of the wider reform programme under way in the area of child protection. It was also made known to the House on that occasion that a government information booklet would also be sent to each household in the country.

A significant gap in the public’s information was indicated in opinion polls taken during the course of the referendum campaign. An Ipsos MRBI poll for the Irish Times of 20 October found that in response to the question, "How well do you feel you understand the issues in the children’s referendum?", 10% said they had a good understanding, 28% said they understood some but not all the issues, 37% said they were only vaguely aware of the issues involved and 24% said they did not know what the referendum was about at all. The Government considered that in preparing information materials it was paying appropriate regard to the McKenna principles. All the publications were issued with a view to informing the electorate about the referendum.

The Supreme Court has found that the Government at all times acted in a bona fide manner. As I said, the Government acted in good faith in the preparation of its information materials, which aimed to encourage the maximum public debate on, and participation in, the children’s referendum. The failures identified by the Supreme Court are fully acknowledged and greatly regretted. The Government is committed to working within the parameters of the judgment in the conduct of future referendums, and is carefully studying the conclusions of the court. It will have regard to the Supreme Court’s detailed judgments and the guidelines contained therein as part of its full consideration of the implications of the judgments.

I do not doubt the Minister's intent, and that is clear from the question I tabled. My concern is that if we have not already done so, we must learn from the lessons of the past. Last August, Mr. Justice Kevin Feeney, the former chairman of the Referendum Commission for the fiscal or austerity treaty referendum, depending on one's point of view, cautioned against this approach on the basis that it could cause confusion. It was his experience as chairman of the Referendum Commission in that case that it perhaps had contributed to the creation of confusion.

I note the point about not identifying where it had emanated from and that it did not apply in this instance under the direction of the Minister. We must be mindful in respect of the existing rulings, including the McKenna judgment. I ask the Minister whether the dissemination of independent information and assessment should be left wholly and solely to the Referendum Commission of the day. I strongly recommend the commentary to which reference has been made.

Following the McCrystal judgment, the Minister Deputy Pat Rabbitte said, "the Government seems to be impeded from advocating its convictions in a matter like a referendum". I reject that, it is totally untrue. What is a requirement is that the component parts of the Government, such as opposition voices, must be responsible for funding whatever it produces, either collectively or through independent action by party components. Does the Minister accept there are lessons to be learned and the best practice for the future is to allow the Referendum Commission of the day to take responsibility, wholly and solely, for the dissemination of independent assessment?

While I would like to engage in a long debate on the issues raised, I reiterate that I am constrained in terms of the hearing in January. The issues raised will be considered by the Government. In the conduct of future referendums I am committed to working within the parameters of the judgment delivered. I agree with the Deputy that we must carefully consider the conclusions of the court. The Government will do so. For the first time since 1995, the Supreme Court has provided some important guidelines on the application of the principle in the McKenna judgment. With regard to the recent campaign, it is interesting to note that distinction between the Department's information initiatives and those of the Referendum Commission was not a feature the comments or complaints received from the public. Deputy Ó Caoláin has acknowledged this point and I thank him for doing so. This aspect was not a feature of the many verbal or written queries to the Department. When we initially discussed the referendum on 26 September, all sides were concerned about getting out a great deal of information. There were issues in respect of the complexity of material. People in the House identified the need to engage the public with the debate to provide explanation and encourage turnout to vote. On 26 September, I said we were committed to ensuring people had all the information they needed to make an informed decision on 10 November. I also referred to the website. Much of the research on the referendum shows significant gaps in information. The Government agrees that these matters must be considered and will be considered.

I welcome the Minister's response, which I take as a positive indication that the Government is taking the decision on board. It cannot be more clear and, no pun intended, it is crystal following the recent judgment.

I hope we will arrive at a space where the Referendum Commission is seen as the independent voice for the dissemination of that independent view to the wider public, and anything else that has the imprimatur of Government is seen to be in competition with the role of the Referendum Commission. Better that the component parts of Government - today it is Fine Gael and Labour but it could be any combination of voices - should get it right and know exactly what we can do in the future.

We are all disappointed that there was not a greater turnout for the referendum. There is a range of reasons for that being the case. Is there a question in the Minister's mind or in any of the assessments since that confusion was contributed to by the second information document? I just pose the question.

My reply to that question has to be that there is a hearing in the High Court. To give further comment would not be the right thing to do. I recognise the importance of that case and of not making any comments that might prejudice its outcome.

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