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Dáil Éireann Debate, Thursday - 19 October 2023

Thursday, 19 October 2023

Questions (86)

Mairéad Farrell

Question:

86. Deputy Mairéad Farrell asked the Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science further to the announcement of the significant funding that Magee University would receive from the shared island initiative to expand its capacity, if he will provide details of the nature of the arrangement; the way it will work in practice; the benefits it will bring in terms of workforce planning; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [45696/23]

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In recent weeks I have met students in the North. I ask the Minister to provide more detail, as per the question.

I really want to work with the Deputy and other Members of the Oireachtas on student mobility on the island of Ireland. The Deputy probably saw the ESRI report. We can do so much more on this. Perhaps we can return to it another day. We can all do good work together on this.

Following a Government decision in June, my Department is responsible for management of the implementation of this very exciting project relating to the Magee campus of Ulster University. It will see the construction of a new teaching block in the University of Ulster's Derry campus. The estimated cost is £45 million over a four-to-five-year timescale. Ulster University, UU, has committed to providing 15% of that cost, while the Department of the Taoiseach has committed to funding the balance, up to a limit of €44 million, from the shared island fund. As the project progresses over that time, moneys from that fund will be transferred into my Department's Vote. Officials in my Department are working with the senior management team in Ulster University, as well as officials in the Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland, to establish an appropriate framework to oversee the delivery of this complex cross-Border capital project. I will visit both Belfast and Derry before the end of the year.

The positive collaboration with Ulster University arising from this project has now led to further opportunities for collaboration outside of the shared island initiative. Specifically, a separate opportunity across the healthcare domain has now arisen, which has allowed me to secure additional places in Ulster University and Queen's University Belfast in key therapies and nursing for students from this jurisdiction. It is important to note that these places are funded by both my Department and the Department of Health. I am pleased to be able to confirm to the Deputy today, fresh off the presses, that we will see further college places ring-fenced for therapies students this year, and we believe we will be able to increase the number of places in this academic year. We intend to go further next year with medicine places ring-fenced for students from Ireland.

The Magee campus provides us with a huge opportunity. Magee now has a medical school. Derry has been underserved as regards education for so many years. We know that. It is a city larger than other cities on this island which have had much smaller student populations. Expanding the campus provides real opportunities for north-west collaboration. I was in Letterkenny recently and I know that the people there are very excited about the opportunities for Atlantic Technological University and Magee to interlock and work together on a cross-Border basis.

That is interesting. What additionality does that new teaching block entail? I would be interested to hear about that. I am from Galway, and anytime I am in Derry I always think they are very similar cities. The benefit a strong university town can have for everybody across the city is really powerful. I therefore welcome this funding and the expansion in the form of the new teaching block. I would be interested to hear, though, exactly how that will work out and what it will entail.

I agree 100% with the Minister that it would be really good if we could work together to try to look at the student mobility issue. We know the difficulties with the differences between the CAO and the Universities and Colleges Admissions Service, UCAS, and schools not knowing them and not being able to explain them to their students. Then there is a massive issue now whereby people are expected to have four A-level subjects.

The Deputy is entirely right. I really welcome the fact that Universities Ireland has now set up a group specifically to look at what I call CAO reform. It is chaired by the excellent Professor Pól Ó Dochartaigh from the Deputy's parish, Galway. It is due to report by the end of the year. It is a matter for the group, but I stand full ready to support it with funding or whatever else. There are now ring-fenced places in Northern Ireland for students from this jurisdiction. Why can there not be the same in reverse? Student mobility is key not only in terms of educational access but also in terms of building peace and prosperity and getting to know one another better on the island of Ireland. I will work with the Deputy closely on that.

As regards the project at Magee, the current enrolment number on UU's Derry campus is 5,227 students. I am informed that, with planned programme offerings, it is estimated that planned growth using existing infrastructure can reach only 6,000. As part of its campus master plan, increasing UU's estate infrastructure is a prerequisite to growing student numbers, and UU envisages a staged growth to 6,560 students at the Derry campus by September 2026.

I was recently at Queen's, where I myself studied for a period. I was with our spokesperson on further and higher education, Pádraig Delargy, and we met with Queen's management and students. We met many students as part of the freshers' fair as well. Another group we met with that I thought was very interesting was the secondary students' union. It really wanted to highlight the fact that it can be so difficult for students from the North to study in the South. It is welcome that that group has come together, and I look forward to what it will propose come the end of the year.

At the moment most students do not take four A-level subjects. That is just not a reality. Not only is there the issue of the four A-levels but there is also the fact of the extra bonus points in maths. Most students, obviously, if they do not plan to study maths, will not be doing maths for their A-levels. That is really important.

I really look forward to seeing what comes out of this. I hope it will be workable and helpful.

Me too, and I really look forward to meeting the secondary schools group from Northern Ireland, which reached out to me today. I am very happy to meet the students in the coming weeks and will keep in touch with the Deputy in that regard.

This just needs to be fixed. The two systems do not seem to understand each other, but that is not a reason not to find a workaround and a way to fix this. Huge progress has been made, and I thank the universities, UU and Queen's in particular, for that, with the ring-fenced places for students from here to go to the North and to be able to study medicine from next year, nursing from this year and therapies from this year. That is real progress the universities have delivered. We need now to return the favour and we need to make sure we can do the same here for students from the North. There is no doubt in my mind that we have very many great brains working in the higher education system. We will bring them all together through Universities Ireland and come up with an ask and a practical recommendation, and let us try to get this done by the end of the year.

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