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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 6 May 1924

Vol. 7 No. 2

MESSAGE FROM SEANAD. - PRIVATE BILL PROCEDURE.

It has been suggested to me that it would be for the convenience of members of the Dáil if I were to make a brief statement with regard to the present position of the Standing Orders relating to private business, giving in detail the various stages through which a Private Bill has to pass before it can become law. It has been decided by the Ceann Comhairle and the Cathaoirleach, in accordance with Private Bill Standing Order No. 6, to delegate to the Deputy-Chairman of each House the charge of Private Bills. The delegation of matters relating to Private Bills to the Vice-Chairman is usual in other Parliaments, and I would like to take this opportunity of emphasising the fact that the Deputy-Chairman, in moving the various stages of Private Bills, does so as an official of the House without expressing any opinion as to the merits or otherwise of the Bills so moved. It is not usual for the Deputy-Chairman in other places to vote on any stage of any Private Bill, and I do not propose to do so in the Dáil.

A Private Bill is described in the Standing Orders as a Bill promoted for the particular interest or benefit of any person, or that interferes with the private property of any person, otherwise than in the interests of the public generally and as a measure of public policy. It is important that members of the Dáil should distinguish clearly in their minds between a Private Bill so described, and a Private Member's Bill, which is a Public Bill which has not been introduced by the Government. Any person or group of persons desiring to introduce a Private Bill must lodge an application for leave to introduce such Bill in the Private Bill office in accordance with such conditions as are provided in the Standing Orders. After a period of one month has elapsed the Examiner of Private Bills publicly examines the Bill to see if the promoters have complied with the Standing Orders, both in regard to the Bill itself and in regard to the payment of fees, deposits, etc., which may be required. The Examiner will report to both Houses that the Bills either have or have not complied with the Standing Orders. The Examiner's report stands referred by both Houses to the Joint Committee on Standing Orders, and opportunity is given for an appeal to be lodged with the Joint Committee against the Examiner's decision within five clear days from the last day on which it was so referred by either House. Should no appeal be received, the Bill is then deemed to have been read a first time in the Seanad, provision being made in the Standing Orders that all Private Bills shall be initiated in that House. If an appeal be lodged the First Stage takes place in the Seanad if and when the Joint Committee on Standing Orders decide that the Standing Orders have been complied with. If the Joint Committee, in the case of a Bill which has not complied with Standing Orders, recommend in their report that Standing Orders not complied with ought to be dispensed with, the First Stage in the Seanad takes place when both Houses have adopted the report of the Joint Committee. The Second Stage takes place in the Seanad on a date suggested by the promoters not earlier than the 7th nor later than the 14th day after the Bill has been deemed to have passed its First Stage, provided that, if the Seanad be not sitting on the 14th day the period shall be extended until the next day on which the Seanad shall sit.

Each stage of the Bill, as I have already pointed out, is moved by the Deputy-Chairman of the House or by some other member, whom he may request to act on his behalf. The Bill having been read a second time in the Seanad, is referred to a Joint Committee of both Houses, unless the Seanad shall order otherwise. A Message is sent from the Seanad to the Dáil that the Bill has been so referred, and a notice may then be given of a motion that the Dáil concurs with the Seanad in the reference of the Bill to a Joint Committee. Upon that motion the discussion of the principle of the Bill shall be in order. If the motion be opposed, its consideration shall be postponed in the manner I shall hereafter describe. The personnel of the Joint Committee for the consideration of the Bill, consisting of three members of the Dáil and three members of the Seanad, not locally or otherwise interested in such Bill, is nominated by the Joint Standing Orders Committee, with a chairman appointed jointly by the Ceann Comhairle and the Cathaoirleach. If the Dáil do not concur in the reference of the Bill to a Joint Committee, the Seanad's order referring the Bill to a Joint Committee is discharged, and the Seanad may, if it desires, refer it to a Special Committee of the Seanad. Should the second reading or any other stage of any Private Bill be rejected in the Seanad, the promoters may request that a motion be made in the Dáil for second reading, in which case the Bill, if passed there, would be referred to a Special Committee of the Dáil.

After the Joint Committee has considered the Bill it returns the Bill with or without amendments to both Houses —this constituting the Third Stage. The Fourth, or Report, Stage is taken in the Seanad, when amendments may be proposed by any member of the Seanad. This is followed by the Fifth Stage in the Seanad, and the Bill, when passed in the Seanad, is sent to the Dáil, where it is received for final consideration, the First, Second and Third Stages of the Bill in the Dáil being deemed to have been passed. On receiving the Bill for final consideration, the Dáil may amend the Bill, or may re-commit it to the Joint Committee, or may refer it to a Special Committee of the Dáil. If any amendment proposed during the Fourth Stage, in either the Dáil or the Seanad, is one of substance or introduces new matter into the Bill the amendment is referred to the Committee which considered the Bill, the proceedings standing adjourned until the report of the Committee shall have been received. All amendments having been agreed to by both Dáil and Seanad, the Bill is finally passed and sent to the Governor-General in the same manner as a Public Bill.

In conclusion, I would like to draw the attention of members of the Dáil to Standing Order 100, which provides that Private Business shall be taken at the beginning of each sitting prior to Public Business, and also provides that when any stage of a Private Bill is first taken no discussion shall be allowed, and if the Bill is opposed it shall not be proceeded with on that occasion, but shall be placed on the Orders of the Day for the next sitting of the House. If the Bill be then again opposed, its consideration shall again be postponed, without discussion, and the Ceann Comhairle or the Cathaoirleach, as the case may be, shall fix a time for its further consideration. This means that at any stage of a Private Bill any opposition will secure its being postponed until a time fixed by the Chairman, when it can be discussed, and a division taken.

There are 116 Standing Orders relative to Private Bills, and I do not pretend that this statement is exhaustive. I hope, however, I have succeeded in explaining in as simple a manner as possible to members of the Dáil the stages through which a Private Bill must pass.

Can the Deputy inform the Dáil how we are to get possession of the details or terms of any such Bill? Are we to refer to the Table of the Dáil? Is the Bill in any way circulated, or may it be circulated?

The Bill is with the Secretary of the Private Bill Committee, and I understand that each member of the Dáil may be able to obtain a copy if he so desires. The present Bill in question, the Sligo Lighting and Electric Power Bill, is, I understand, a non-contentious measure, and there has been no opposition to it so far. If there be a contentious measure, I believe that it would be only fair to have each member supplied with a copy.

We want to know what it is before we know whether it is contentious.

It is supposed to be a Private Bill.

The Leas-Cheann Comhairle will make his motion, and if there is any objection to it, it will stand over.

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