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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 19 Feb 1942

Vol. 85 No. 14

Committee on Finance. - Vote 44—National Health Insurance.

I move:—

Go ndeontar suim breise, ná raghaidh thar £3,756, chun íoctha an Mhuirir a thiocfaidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh Márta, 1942, chun Tuarastail agus Costaisí i dtaobh Riaracháin na nAchtanna um Arachas Sláinte Náisiúnta, 1911 go 1936, agus na nAchtanna um Pinsin do Bhaintreacha agus do Dhílleachtaithe, 1935 go 1940; chun seirbhísí áirithe maidir le Liúntaisí Bídh (Acht Comhachta Práinne, 1939) agus chun Ilsíntiúisí agus Ildeontaisí, maraon le Deontaisí áirithe i gCabhair alos Costais Sochar agus Costaisí Riaracháin fé sna hAchtanna um Arachas Sláinte Náisiúnta.

That a supplementary sum, not exceeding £3,756, be granted to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending 31st March, 1942, for Salaries and Expenses in connection with the Administration of the National Health Insurance Acts, 1911 to 1936, and the Widows' and Orphans' Pensions Acts, 1935 to 1940; for certain services in connection with Food Allowances (Emergency Powers Act, 1939) and for sundry Contributions and Grants, including certain Grants-in-Aid in respect of the Cost of Benefits and Expenses of Administration under the National Health Insurance Acts.

An additional sum of £3,756 is required to meet expenditure out of the Vote for National Health Insurance for the current financial year. The principal item in the Estimate is £3,000 in respect of State Grant on expenditure on benefits and their administration. The expenditure on benefits in the current financial year has been higher than was expected when provision therefor was made in the original Estimate. When that Estimate was being prepared the indications were that there would be a decrease in the number of civilian men insured under the National Health Insurance Acts during 1941 owing to increasing unemployment and the enlistment of a large number of insured men in the defence forces. A substantial reduction in expenditure on sickness and disablement benefits was therefore estimated for, members of the defence forces not being entitled to these benefits. The reduction in the number of insured civilian men in 1941, however, proved much less than was expected, and the consequent reduction in benefit expenditure was less than anticipated by the amount now provided in this Estimate.

An additional sum of £220 is required under the sub-head for incidental expenses. Of this amount £218 is provided to repay to the National Health Insurance Society the cost of supplying information to the Department of Industry and Commerce in connection with the administration of the Emergency Powers (Food Allowances) Order, 1941. This order makes provision for the issue of food vouchers, exchangeable for food, to certain recipients of disablement benefit under the National Health Insurance Acts, who are in necessitous circumstances.

It has been arranged that the National Health Insurance Society issue to such members as are resident in the areas set out in the order and are recipients of disablement benefit, an official notification of the essential provisions of the order, and of the method of application for inclusion in the food voucher scheme. The society, in collaboration with the Department of Industry and Commerce, has compiled a register of members in receipt of disablement benefit who reside in the areas set out in the order, are in necessitous circumstances and have applied for inclusion in the scheme. The register is kept up to date by the society, and by reference to it the Department of Industry and Commerce issue the food vouchers. The number of such persons receiving food vouchers is 4,203.

An additional sum of £400 is required to meet the increase in the cost of travelling of insured persons to centres for examination by the district medical referees. This increase in cost is due (1) to the curtailment of railway and bus services, involving increased cost of travelling by cars, and (2) to the increase in rail and bus fares, and the abolition of return bus tickets. The number of persons examined by the district medical referees in the current financial year is slightly fewer than in the previous year, but the amount provided for travelling expenses was exhausted in the first nine months of the year owing to the increased cost. Hence the necessity for the additional sum of £400.

The three items of additional expenditure which have been dealt with amount to £3,620, to which has to be added a sum of £1,736, representing a short-fall in receipts to the Vote. The salaries of the staff engaged on work in connection with the Widows' and Orphans' Pensions Acts are recouped to the Vote by the Widows' and Orphans' Pensions Fund. Owing to changes in personnel, vacancies unfilled and reductions in staff, it is now estimated that the amount falling to be recouped will be £1,736 less than the amount for which credit was taken in the original Estimate. There is thus a total sum of £5,356 to be provided, against which there is a set-off of £1,600 which is the amount expected to be saved in the current year in respect of salaries, etc., of the staff.

Will the Parliamentary Secretary tell us what percentage of the total number of persons receiving payment from the Unified Society under the national health insurance scheme is receiving assistance under Emergency Powers (No. 107) Order in the shape of food vouchers?

I do not know that I can give the Deputy the information in the form in which he asks it. The society estimate that the number of insured persons residing in the scheduled area and in receipt of disablement benefit is 11,000. As the Deputy is aware, it is only those persons who are in receipt of disablement benefit who qualify under the food voucher scheme. Of the number I have indicated, 4,200 reside in Dublin City and suburbs. About 50 per cent. of the Dublin cases are in receipt of food vouchers. I understand that out of about 6,052 applicants some were drawing sickness, but not disablement, benefit. There was a large number of rejections. The people who applied were rejected largely because they were not resident in the area to which the scheme applied or were not in receipt of disablement benefit.

Vote put and agreed to.
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