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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 9 Nov 1960

Vol. 184 No. 5

Private Members' Business. - Mentally Handicapped Children: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann is of the opinion that present facilities in this country for the treatment, care and education of mentally handicapped children are deplorably inadequate and calls on the Government immediately to ensure that adequate facilities are made available so as to remedy the present unjust situation.

The object of this motion is to draw attention to a national scandal, to awaken a dormant consciousness in our society to a great social evil and to urge the Government to take action to alleviate a gross injustice in our midst. It has, let me stress, no political overtones. Considerations of Party politics do not motivate it. For too long have the plight and condition of mentally handicapped children and of their parents been neglected and their tragic situation been avoided. For too long have apathy and indifference contributed to official inactivity.

There are too firm official statistics dealing with the extent of the problem but reliable estimates have been made and the facts which there estimates demonstrate are eloquent and require little embroidery. There are approximately in this country 2,000 beds available for mentally handicapped children. It has been reliably estimated that 7,000 more are needed. There are approximately 500 to 600 places in special schools for mentally handicapped children. It has been reliably estimated that 5,000 are needed. It has also been reliably estimated that approximately 10 per cent. of all our children are either mentally handicapped or educationally retarded and need special care and treatment.

There is in this whole country one child guidance clinic. There was up to recently only one qualified educational psychologist. There is no psychologist attached to any local authority. There is no official or one body responsible anywhere in the State for dealing with this problem. There is no proper system of diagnosis. There is no after-care system for children who may benefit from education and treatment at special schools and there is no placement system for such children after they leave school to ensure that they get adequate employment. These are the facts of the situation. This is the neglected system which for one reason or another has been permitted to develop in this country over the years.

I have said at the outset that this has no political overtones and it is not my intention to apportion blame to any one Government, to any one Administration, to any one group of local authorities, but it is my intention that the Dáil should put on record its grave concern at this situation and endeavour to see that the Government takes action to deal with it.

I do not want to minimise the problems which the Government and local authorities may have to face but I do believe that those problems could be, at any rate to some extent, minimised if a favourable body of public opinion were behind the Government taking those measures. One of the objects of this motion is to try to foster a public opinion of that sort which would in itself assist the Government in the steps and in the measures which it must, I believe, take.

One of the things urgently needed in this country is proper legislation to deal with the problem. I do not for a moment accept the statement in the White Paper published recently by the Government that our existing legislation is sufficient to deal with the problem. I feel certain that there was some debate in the Cabinet as to which Minister would be responsible for this motion; was this a health problem or was it an education problem; should the Minister for Health or the Minister for Education deal with it? In the White Paper recently published by the Department of Health reference is made to the fact that there are educational problems involved in this subject.

What has happened is that neither the Department of Education nor the Department of Health has any direct single responsibility for this matter, that the responsibility is diffused through these Departments and through local authorities and as a result the situation has not been properly dealt with.

I suggest we need legislation in this country, legislation similar to that which exists under the provisions of the Education Act, 1944 in England. I would suggest that the Parliamentary Secretary should have a look at that Act. He will see there that, under Section 34, the educational authorities throughout England—and this applies to Northern Ireland also—are given a statutory obligation to inquire into the mental health of the children in their area and to provide special educational facilities where they are required. No such legislation exists in this country. There is no legislation in this country requiring any local authority to give special education to our mentally handicapped children. I would suggest that it is a sine qua non of progress in this regard that a proper legislative framework be established to deal with the problem.

Legislation, of course, will not cure it and legislation is only the framework in which the problem will be tackled. What is urgently needed in this country is a proper system of diagnosis, treatment and after-care. It would not be a difficult task to set up immediately a diagnostic clinic, for example, in the City of Dublin. Suggestions have been made by a responsible person intimately connected with this problem that such a central diagnostic clinic could be attached to one of the Universities in the City of Dublin where a qualified staff could be present, where the extra facilities needed would not be very great and where general practitioners could send for diagnosis and report children with special problems with which they are not qualified to deal. It should be possible to establish such centres in other parts of the country also.

One of the important aspects of proper diagnosis of children is in relation to those suffering from suspected mental disturbances, mental illness or mental defects. That problem could be solved comparatively easily, in the City of Dublin at any rate, and not at any great cost. From my own knowledge I can say there is great need for a proper system of diagnosis of children suffering from mental handicap, mental disease or mental defect. The tragedy of this situation is that a number of these children, not of course all, can be cured or at any rate have their condition considerably alleviated but because of lack of diagnosis they go through life handicapped, wrongly handicapped, because of inadequate diagnosis.

I do not think we should wait until a committee is set up, until a committee has sat for two or three years and has sifted all the evidence, to know what any of the experts on this question will tell the Minister and the Government tomorrow, that the first thing that would help in a material way would be the establishment of an adequate system of diagnosis and that such a system could be started without too much difficulty, in the City of Dublin and elsewhere.

Up to recently, as I have said, we have had one educational psychologist. There was a course started recently in educational psychology and it is in my information—and I understand it to be fairly reliable—that a small group of people who qualified from that course could not get jobs and had to leave the country. That is a deplorable situation. I see no reason why groups of local authorities should not have the assistance and service of one education psychologist. It would be a simple matter to work out according to area and population how many groups of local authorities should combine and how one could serve several areas at the same time. The courses are available; I think the applicants are there but the jobs have not been created.

The problem goes beyond mere legislation and more diagnosis. Treatment is necessary and I think it would be proper if a tribute was paid by me and by this House to the voluntary organisations who have been dealing with this problem, particularly the Religious Orders, the Hospitaller Order of St. John of God, the French Sisters of Charity and the Brothers of Charity who have brought their own vocation to this problem and who have given such tremendous assistance in the past. There have been also a number of voluntary organisations who have alleviated the problem to some extent. The fact remains that the efforts which have been made by the Religious Orders and by the voluntary organisations have been entirely inadequate. We need a great increase in the number of people teaching and nursing mentally handicapped children.

The problem can be divided into two sections: the problem of children who need institutional care and the problem of children who do better in day centres. It is generally accepted that at a certain level of intelligence quotient it is better for a mentally handicapped child to attend a day school or a day centre rather than get institutional treatment. Up to a few years ago there was no day centre in the whole of this country. There has been one started recently in the City of Dublin which copes very inadequately with an appalling problem. There has been one started recently in Cork and also in Waterford. Beyond that and beyond the efforts of some voluntary organisations there has been no proper system of day centres. It has been estimated—again on a perfectly reliable basis—that at least six day centres are needed in the City of Dublin and there should be at least one in Cork, Limerick, Waterford, Galway and Sligo in order to start dealing with this problem.

The teachers who deal with mentally handicapped children require a special vocation and special training. It has been said in an endeavour to excuse official inactivity that it might not be possible to get the necessary recruits for this work. I do not accept that. I know of people involved in this work who would gladly take it up as a career, who would gladly undertake it as a vocation if it was organised on a proper basis, if they knew there were going to be schools and that they could make their career out of it. However, there has been no opening and no career. I should say, however, that the Department of Education has been endeavouring to get some of its national teachers to interest themselves in this problem and to undertake training in England. There has been some response to this appeal, a response which has been entirely inadequate.

At present we have a tremendous percentage of persons qualified to deal with mentally handicapped children, and the point I wish to make is that this is not one of the insuperable problems, that I believe there are people who would come forward to follow this vocation and who would be qualified to do so if, in fact, the machinery of the system were properly developed. Of course the low grade mentally handicapped children require institutional care and treatment. I know there is not a Deputy in this House who does not know of parents with mentally handicapped children and of the terrific struggle they have to get them into one or other of the institutions. These institutions are appallingly overcrowded. There is an appalling shortage of beds for mentally handicapped children and the position is that many of these children will not get into institutions because the accommodation is just not there for them.

The provision of hospitals and an adequate number of beds would cost money. It has been estimated it would take between £5,000,000 and £7,000,000 to produce the facilities which would be needed to deal adequately with the institutional side of the problem. Is that an insuperable difficulty? Can we not find £5,000,000 to £7,000,000 to provide proper accommodation? If the public were informed that it might have to put up with a penny extra on income tax in order to provide this, do you think would it accept that? If the public had to do without some item of capital expenditure in order to provide this £5,000,000 to £7,000,000 do you think the public would willingly forgo some item of, perhaps, a luxury type of capital expenditure? I think the public would.

I think our people, if they were informed of this, would be willing to make whatever sacrifices would be necessary in order to provide the money needed to supply this extra accommodation, and we are fortunate in that we are not approaching the problem without any resources. We have already the resources offered and given by the religious societies which are dealing with a certain percentage of mentally handicapped children and, therefore, our problem is not one of extraordinary difficulty. It is one in which, perhaps, sacrifices would be required but I, for one, feel confident that if the situation were adequately explained to our people and public opinion informed, whatever sacrifices were needed would be forthcoming.

Of course the problem continues after a child has grown up and left a special school. The experience elsewhere has been that a child who gets proper treatment, who is fortunate enough to be attended by a qualified teacher, who is fortunate enough not to be too greatly retarded can, in fact, become a useful citizen and can fulfil himself or herself in a way which would be impossible and it not got this treatment, but we have no proper system of after-care treatment. We have no proper system for placing them in jobs. Young boys and girls who have gone to one of our special schools and who come out at the ages of seventeen or eighteen, without having anybody to look after them adequately for after-care treatment, are in a bad position. Part and parcel with the legislation which I suggest is necessary, there should be a system of after-care for children who are attending special schools, and a placement system which would see to it that suitable jobs are made available for them so that they can play a useful role in society.

The plain truth is that 70 or 80 miles from here, across the Border, mentally handicapped children are much better cared for, and the same is the case in Great Britain. That is because somebody, some central organisation, has been made responsible and because the necessary funds have been made available. I would suggest that this is something of which we cannot be proud in this part of the country but it is something which should spur us to greater effort. The tragedy of the situation is that many of the children, who to-day are deprived of the services they could get in other countries, could have their lives bettered, could fulfil themselves to a much greater extent if they were given the treatment and care that is necessary, and some hope and happiness could be brought into the lives of parents who have to shoulder this great burden.

We should not forget the problems of parents of mentally handicapped children. One of the matters to which I wish attention directed is the fact that mentally handicapped children are somewhat in the position of persons suffering from tuberculosis some years ago. At that time tuberculosis was a dreaded disease which people were afraid to discuss, were even afraid to admit, and because of that its onslaught was made all the worse. I am sure Deputies know of parents— I know of several to my own knowledge—who have had mentally handicapped children and who have been afraid to admit it to themselves. I know of one mother of a boy of five who did not know he was a mongol child who would be permanently mentally handicapped and the shock to her, following her unstinted devotion and personal training of this little child, was made all the more appalling when she learned that the child would be permanently mentally handicapped. Following on that I think the position of parents could be greatly relieved by a proper system of approach to this problem, a system of education of the parents, a system which could have the assistance of qualified people.

I want to deal briefly with the terms of the amendment that has been tabled. I regret that the amendment has been put forward. I feel it is bringing into the discussion an element of contention, if you like, an element of Party politics which should be absent from it. First of all, the amendment suggests that Dáil Éireann:

while conscious of the fact that due to historical causes present facilities for the treatment, care and education of mentally handicapped children are inadequate, realises that it has been the constant purpose of successive Governments within the limits of the resources in money, personnel and accommodation available to them to remedy this situation...

I regret that I must differ from that statement. I do not think it has been the constant purpose of successive Governments, within the limits of their resources, to deal with it. I believe it is a problem which has been largely ignored for one reason or another, a problem which people have not been concerned with for one reason or another. As I say, I do not wish to apportion blame but I do not think there has been a public consciousness in this country among people in public life, among Deputies, among journalists, among editors of newspapers, among teachers, among those responsible for guiding public opinion or dealing in public affairs, of the greatness of this problem until comparatively recent years. That is something we should try to remedy.

The amendment suggests that we should welcome the Government's White Paper entitled The Problem of the Mentally Handicapped Children which outlines the chief aspects of the problem and the progress which has been made in regard to it. I do not see there is any reason to welcome the Government's White Paper. I do not think it is a White Paper at all in anything but the name. As I understand it, a White Paper is an official statement of Government policy in dealing with a given subject. There is no policy in this so-called White Paper. It is a statement of a very serious situation. Information is given to the public on this problem in the form of an official document. In the words of the White Paper itself it is stated that “the primary object of this paper is to outline what is involved in the problem, what has been accomplished already and to inform the public as to the salient difficulties involved in making provision for further expansion of the services of the mentally handicapped.”

There is no statement of Government policy, no statement of what the Government proposes to do. There is in this White Paper a statement of the number of beds available, the deplorable shortage of accommodation and the statement that it would cost many millions of pounds to remedy. There are a number of questions at the end dealing with the problem, how to deal with such-and-such a problem, but, as a statement of Government policy, it is certainly inadequate. I do not think this White Paper is something the Dáil should recommend.

The amendment suggests that the Dáil "should note with satisfaction the accelerating rate at which deficiencies in institutional accommodation are being made good." I do not note with satisfaction the accelerating rate at which deficiencies in institutional accommodation are being made good. I would suggest that no reasonable Deputy would note with satisfaction what is a deplorably slow rate of progress. I am not denying for a moment that extra beds are being made available, but I would say the rate of progress is entirely inadequate and that certainly this Dáil should not note with satisfaction the present rate.

We are also, the amendment suggests, to note with satisfaction the attention which is being given to the development of day training centres. What the White Paper says is that a day training centre has been set up in Cork. Dealing with how many children? Ten. What the White Paper says is that a day centre has been established recently in Waterford, a sort of créche rather than a day training centre. It notes also that a day centre is being established in Dublin. I do not note with satisfaction that the Government have attended to these facts. If in fact there was an indication that legislation was to be introduced to give power to establish day centres and to man them adequately. I would certainly note that fact with satisfaction. But it does seem to me that we are using diplomatic language in a very extreme form if we are to suggest that we should note with satisfaction the fact that the Government have noted the developments of private organisations.

The amendment also proposes that the Dáil should endorse the policy which the Government has outlined and is confident that it will be given effect with all possible speed. I do not know what policy the Dáil is to endorse. I know Ministers have said: "This is a serious problem and we are doing everything we can to deal with it." I know we have official statements from Ministers replying to debates from their Departments saying: "Yes, this is a serious problem. Officials of my Department are considering it and, within the limits of our resources, we are doing everything we can." That is the sort of official statement which a Government or a Minister will make to excuse inactivity. I do not see why the Dáil should be called upon in this amendment to endorse the policy the Government have outlined. I do not think the Government have outlined any policy in this subject.

May I just refer to the only recent statements I have been able to find in this matter by different Ministers? The Minister for Education very briefly dealt with it when replying to the debate on the Estimate for his Department. In a very short paragraph at Column 402, Volume 182 of the Official Report, he said:

The question of the mentally retarded child as an educationaly problem is always before our minds in the Department of Education. We have at present provision in eight centres for such children and the full accommodation available in these centres is not being used. In spite of that, plans are in train for increasing the accommodation, for making more educational provision for mentally handicapped children.

He left it at that. I have no doubt the Minister for Education, as a responsible person concerned with this problem, has asked that plans be put into operation to deal with this problem. However, we are not told what progress has been made. We are not told how many national school teachers have gone to be trained in England. Is it half a dozen, a dozen or 20? I would suspect it is probably the middle figure. If that is so, then the number being trained at present are entirely inadequate for our needs.

The Minister made a statement on that which, if one interpretation is put on it, is certainly not accurate. He says that we have at present provision in eight centres and that the full accommodation in these centres is not being used. If that is to be interpreted as meaning we have enough day centres, that is certainly not correct. If it is to be interpreted as meaning that the people for lack of transport or knowledge, for one of many reasons, are not sending those children to one or other of those institutions and that that there are places available, that may be true. It is not true to say or imply—I do not know whether the Minister so intended— that we have adequate facilities to deal with day centres and accommodation. The Department of Health White Paper establishes that beyond any doubt.

The Minister for Health also dealt with this problem. In answer to a Parliamentary Question on the 25th May this year, at Column 232, Volume 182, he said:

I have been giving considerable thought to the general problem of the mentally handicapped and have recently had a White Paper published on the subject. As the Deputy may see from reading that Paper, the subject as a whole needs a great deal of study. As regards accommodation, there are 2,620 beds now available, and a further 600 beds are in prospect. It is estimated that as many as 4,000 further beds may be needed, the capital cost of which might come to between £5 million and £7 million. It would be quite impossible at the present time or in the foreseeable future to make funds of this order available for the purpose.

I do not know whether that is the statement of Ministerial policy referred to by the persons putting forward this amendment—"the whole problem needs a great deal of study." I do not think that is a statement of policy. Or does the statement of policy refer to the fact that we need £5 million or £7 million and that it would be quite impossible at present or in the foreseeable future that funds of this order would be available for the purpose? If that is the statement of Ministerial policy, I disagree violently with it. If that is the sum necessary to make institutional treatment available. I think it should be provided and that it is not exorbitant in current circumstances. May I say that if you were to sell the jet aeroplanes, you would get very nearly £5,000,000.

I do not want to interrupt the Deputy but the time allotted to him, 40 minutes, has now expired.

I shall finish now. I say in conclusion that the money could be made available and if we have a shortage of capital and if we have to choose between one thing and another, I should give priority to the £4 million, £5 million or £6 million that is necessary and do without the transatlantic air service. I have stressed from the beginning that this is a matter on which the Dáil should place on record its view that the present facilities are inadequate and should ask the Government if that is so and have them do something about it.

I feel that there are children in need of attention—are we assisting them? I feel there is a necessity for the diagnostic services. How are these requirements to be satisfied? If legislation is to be introduced, is it being drafted? Is this not a grave social problem and is it not being largely neglected? If that is so, should we not do something at this stage?

Before I call on the proposer of the amendment, is the motion being formally seconded?

I formally second the motion.

I move the following amendment:

To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and to substitute therefor the following: "while conscious of the fact that due to historical causes present facilities for the treatment, care and education of mentally handicapped children are inadequate, realises that it has been the constant purpose of successive Governments within the limits of the resources in money, personnel and accommodation available to them to remedy this situation; welcomes the Government's White Paper, entitled The Problem of the Mentally Handicapped Children outlining the several aspects of the problem and the progress which has been made in regard to it; notes with satisfaction the accelerating rate at which deficiencies in institutional accommodation are being made good, as well as the attention which is being given to the development of day-training centres; endorses the policy which the Government has outlined and is confident that it will be given effect to with all possible speed.”

My colleagues and I set down this amendment because we felt that the motion tended to give a distorted view of the position with regard to the care, education and treatment of mentally handicapped children by ignoring the historical background of the problem in this country, as well as by failing to recognise the very real advance which has been made in respect of this matter.

While recognising the serious problem facing us, we felt that it would not help to decry what has been done and what is envisaged to help handicapped children. We also believe, and I personally felt very strongly on this matter, that the inference from the motion, which was that nothing effective was being done to help these children and that it needed only simple Government action to provide us with a solution immediately, added a further burden of anxiety to the already heavy load of worry which is being borne by parents of handicapped children who have not yet been successful in having those children admitted to institutions.

Those of us who are in close touch with this problem realise only too well the very difficult road which faces us in attempting to effect a solution to the problem but we are also aware that we are progressing along the road. We are citizens of a very old nation but of a very young State. When we took over responsibility for our own destinies, we took over a country where conditions in the medical sphere were relatively primitive, particularly in the matter of hospitalisation and the treatment of the mentally ill and the care and treatment and education of mentally handicapped children. I believe it is greatly to the credit of successive Governments that, taking into consideration the limited resources available to them, we have advanced as far as we have in the treatment of our sick people. As was to be expected, we advanced more rapidly and achieved more progress in some branches of medical treatment than in others. Where a disease affected large numbers of people, where it was infectious, for example, public opinion saw to it that whatever money, accommodation or personnel were available would be utilised to curb and, if possible, to eradicate the disease.

The fact that we had so much leeway to make up determined, whether we like it or not, that illnesses which were not infectious, which affected individuals only, which had not the appeal at the time to make the necessary impact on the public conscience, would be the slowest to be tackled and would receive only the crumbs left after the more urgent problems had been settled. The care, treatment and education of mentally handicapped children unfortunately fell into that category. This was so, not because Ministers and Governments were hardhearted, not because they did not realise the sadness of what I might term this affiction, not because they did not fully realise the worry and anxiety of parents of children such as these, but because public opinion decreed that diseases which were known to kill should be tackled first and by the time this was done, there was little in the way of finance or time or effort left to cope with the problem of mentally handicapped children.

Although this was so, nevertheless, down through the years, considerable progress was made in dealing with this sad problem. If we consider the position as set out at the end of the White Paper, we find that where there were only 500 places for mentally handicapped children in 1932, there are 2,620 in 1960. From the White Paper, we also find there is a prospect of a further 600 places. Even during the war years, when the energies and efforts of our people were diverted into so many different channels, finance and effort were still made available to find further places for mentally handicapped children. But the most encouraging sign of a public re-awarkening, in my view, is the fact that the greatest progress in the provision of places for mentally handicapped children has been made in recent years. I feel that this augurs well for the future.

What are the problems facing us in this matter? How are we to deal with them? What can we do to speed up our efforts and bring about a happy solution? As was pointed out in the White Paper, this is a problem which does not lend itself to any easy or ready-made solution. It is a tremendous problem, not only in the numbers involved, not only in the cost of even attempting to overcome it, but in the fact that we cannot deal with it in the hope that whatever the expenditure now, we can be certain to overcome it in the future in the same way as we were able to cope with the problem of T.B. With our present knowledge, we cannot cure it: we can simply teach and train these children to a certain degree and then return them to the outside world to be cared for by their families or by their parents or retain them in institutions.

In principle, hospitalisation of mentally handicapped children is undesirable, except where it is imperative. That is understandable and it is in keeping with the modern outlook on this matter. We appreciate the wonderful manner in which hospitalised children are looked after, attended and loved by the various religious Orders. But those who lavish such loving care on them are the first to agree that there is no substitute for parental love, and, in particular, no substitute for the mother's love. An institution, no matter how well equipped, is a poor substitute for the home, and it is the environment of the home and family which is most conducive to the natural mental development of the child.

Dealing first with the very large group of mildly handicapped children, estimated at 18,000, it must be pointed out that these children are not in need of hospitalisation and it is only because other factors enter into the picture, such as unsuitable homes, that they have to be hospitalised. It should be our aim, if we can, to eradicate the other factors so that these children will be looked after at home. The question then arises as to the best way of helping these children.

The provision of special schools is one answer to the problem. We have already an example of the type of school and I have no doubt particular regard will be paid to the results obtained in this particular school by the commission envisaged in the White Paper. The question of a special class, or classes, in the ordinary school is also a possible solution. To my mind it is worthy of serious consideration because when these children go to school with ordinary children they have a feeling of belonging. They go to school with other children; they play with them; they go home with them. At the same time they progress with children of their own type and are not given a complex by being, as we used to call it, "at the bottom of the class," or in a class with children who are much younger and, very often, much smaller than they are.

There is, however, one drawback. Mildly handicapped children can be taught to read and write, understand money, and so on. When taught and trained to the limit of their ability they can take their place in society. Their parents are naturally delighted with the improvement they find in the children; but at the back of their minds there is always the nagging worry as to what they will do with them when they leave school. In view of that, perhaps a special school is the best solution because in such a school, especially in large centres of population, there can be special classes. Many of these children are very mildly handicapped and in special classes they can be taught the rudiments of a trade so that when they leave school they can apprentice themselves to a particular trade and be able, to some extent at any rate, to support themselves. The question of trained teachers to staff such schools arises. What should such training consist of? Have we any teachers qualified to teach children of this type? If we have not got them, where can we get them? How can they be trained?

The second group of children, the moderately handicapped, comprising some 4,800 children, in most instances needs hospitalisation, not necessarily because they are mentally handicapped but because of other factors which enter into this particular type of mental handicap. They need protection, security, and guidance. If they are manageable, they can be kept at home and brought to occupational centres. This would be the best method for the reasons I have already mentioned when dealing with mildly handicapped children. In such centres the emphasis would be on training and occupationally therapy.

Again, we come up against the question of teachers. What type of teacher would be best? Is it a teacher-cum-nurse? Where can we have these children trained, and so on? All these problems have got to be examined. As has been mentioned in the White Paper, there are already some clinics in the country which are doing very good work. The moderately handicapped child will not usually take its place in society. Some may and it should be our objective that they ought to. If they are trained to the maximum extent possible when they reach the adult stage, because they are easy to manage, they work very well in groups, particularly on farms. The ideal solution would be the environment provided by a suitable home with a farm attached to train these children in the kind of occupation that suits them best. They could do all kinds of farm work, looking after vegetables, milking, and so on. The farm could be run as an economic unit. I think the White Paper envisages something along these lines. The main thing is that these children will be usefully employed, that they will be looked after, that they will enjoy certain amenities, and live a suitable community life which appears to suit them best.

With regard to the third group— the severely handicapped; this is the smallest group—these must have hospitalisation. They will always require to have institutional treatment. They always need the services of a trained nurse. Our objective here should be to ensure that these are not sent to mental hospitals. It is, I agree, difficult at times to differentiate between the severely handicapped and the mentally ill; but, no matter how severely handicapped these people are, they are not mentally ill.

Considerable provision has already been made in the provision of beds for mentally handicapped children. As outlined in the White Paper, there are prospects of a further 600 beds being provided. It is also recognised in the White Paper, however, that the number of places available for these falls far short of the number needing institutional treatment. It was with this in mind that I made the suggestions regarding the future of trained adults in the mildly and moderately handicapped categories because it is here that we come up against the hard core of the problem—the provision of a suitable outlet for trained adults, the provision of the necessary training in hospitals, and the training of suitable staff.

I put the provision of suitable outlets for the mildly and moderately handicapped first because in our particular circumstances more places can be made available in existing hospitals and institutions if we can find suitable employment for the trained adults. It is recognised in the White Paper, as it is generally recognised, that in order to gain the maximum advantage from teaching and training it is essential that these children should be admitted to hospital or school at as early an age as the ordinary child is expected to attend school, and, if we consider the fact that these children are handicapped, even younger, we know that once they have reached a certain standard nothing further can be done for them in that particular line and by remaining in the institution they are depriving others of training and care. That is a matter which will have to be given first consideration. The provision of future plans for institutions is also important but it is of relatively minor importance in comparison with the need for trained staff. In the future the training of staff and the provision of accommodation must run along parallel lines. The care of mentally handicapped children is of first importance and the provision of further accommodation without providing the staff is, in my estimation, of little value.

We have on record the example of a kindly-minded group of people who had what would be, to our minds, unlimited resources. They bought up a considerable number of mansions for the purpose of dealing with mentally handicapped children. They equipped them with all the most modern equipment and then they advertised for trained staff but that was not forthcoming. I may say that that was not in this country. We have begun to train nurses here and provision has been made for the registration of nurses for the mentally handicapped. I should like here to pay tribute to the religious Orders who have undertaken this work. Both religious and lay nurses will be trained under the scheme, and it is envisaged in the White Paper that when staffs have been trained further accommodation will be provided in our hospitals.

When speaking on this matter on the Health Bill, I said that sanatoria which are no longer in use are ideally suited for the accommodation of mentally handicapped children. I should like this matter to be carefully examined. If it is, I think it will be agreed that the lay-out of these sanatoria is very similar to the layout of our more modernly equipped children's hospitals. I again suggest that part of the training of doctors and nurses should include the care of mentally handicapped children. I think that our county medical staffs should attempt to detect this illness during their inspection of schools. Generally speaking, this is not done at the present time. I am not blaming anybody for that; the school may not be a suitable place, the facilities may not be available there and the staffs may not have the necessary time at a school medical examination. However, I feel that something could be done in this field.

I would also suggest that a certain part of a teacher's training should be devoted to learning methods of training mentally handicapped children. I am not suggesting that that training should be utilised for the training of whatever defective children a teacher might find in his own school. That would be impossible but teachers should be trained to give simple intelligence tests so that they could detect disability and so inform the parents and the proper authorities. We have courses for teachers in music and kindergarten and I would suggest that we should have summer courses given by experts in mental treatment and that teachers should be invited to attend them, in the same way that they attend other courses.

From the White Paper and from what I have said it can be seen that we face a problem of a very complex nature in the provision of accommodation, the training of staffs, the provision of methods of treatment, suitable employment, after care and so on. That problem can be dealt with only by way of a planned programme. Like myself, other members of the House who are deeply interested in this problem are in a hurry to set matters right. We may ask ourselves why a programme was not planned five, ten or twenty years ago and we may be told, with some reason, that other urgent health problems had to be dealt with then.

While we appreciate the excellent work that has been done we realise that to give ourselves a reasonable chance of solving this problem we must first have prepared a carefully considered programme based on the best advice available. That is the reason we welcome the commission of inquiry which it is proposed to set up but I would ask the Minister to set a time limit to its deliberations so that, when its findings are known and reduced to a programme, it should be pushed ahead to the limit of our resources.

We are making progress. Progress in this field could not be too rapid to satisfy me but I want to make sure that it will be progress. Haphazard methods will not achieve the progress that we are all so anxious to see. That is why I stress my belief in a soundly-based programmes.

I have dealt only in broad outline with this matter. I could say much more but I realise that there are other Deputies who wish to speak. I believe that we are now setting about solving the problem in the right way by setting up a commission of inquiry so that we can lay down a comprehensive plan, while at the same time pushing ahead with the provision of further facilities which we agree are inadequate for the reasons I have stated. This is a serious problem. It is a complex problem. It is a sad problem and I feel that only by facing up to the realities of the situation can we solve it.

I formally second the amendment.

As the seconder of this motion, I was rather shocked when I saw the amendment. The motion was not put down just for political advantage. It was put down to call the Government's attention to a terrible state of affairs. All parents have to rear their children and they often have much trouble in rearing them while they may suffer from various complaints, and diseases, diseases that can be dealt with, but the parents of a mentally handicapped child are the people who know what real trouble is.

The amendment shocks me. As a matter of fact the proposer of the amendment, Deputy Faulkner, shocks me. He wants to convey to us that everything is all right and he seeks to evade the issue by saying that the best thing to do is to set up a commission of inquiry. Goodness knows, a commission of inquiry, in the experience of many people, is an indication that the Government have an urgent need to bury something. The record, as shown by the White Paper, is astounding. There are now 2,620 beds available and the prospect of a further 600 beds being made available. That is a prospect that would bring the figure to 3,220. From something over 1,000 in 1932—that is, in 28 years—we have shown that we have only 3,220 beds, 600 of which are merely in prospect. It is estimated that the cure of those needing institutional care may be as high as 7,000. It took us 28 years to go halfway in this.

The Government should have taken this motion in a better spirit. Deputy Faulkner at one point in his contribution—he can see it, when he reads the Official Report—asked where could teachers be trained and then went on to tell us about children. I should like to know what is being done about having teachers and personnel trained who could deal with this problem. I have here a clipping from the Waterford News-Star which gives an account of a meeting of the Waterford friends of mentally handicapped children. In it, it is stated that they were very glad to see that a special class had been established for slow learners in Lady Lane Convent which now had 17 girls. Mr. Liam Raftis, God rest him, the chairman, said that the slow learners' class was a class which he never thought would be started in the city as there were only two trained nuns in the country capable of training such children. They were lucky enough in Waterford to have secured one of them.

It is a deplorable state of affairs that there are only two there and that Government Deputies should put down an amendment to steamroll the motion put down by my colleagues and myself. This should not be a matter to be used as a political shuttlecock in this House. I was very glad to hear Deputy Faulkner say that an immediate inquiry should be made into the position of some of our sanatoria here. There may be a good many beds vacant and an immediate census should be taken of people who are competent to deal with handicapped children. An effort should be made in the very near future to ensure that a great many more beds are made available. That is the way we should go about this matter.

The public in Ireland, taking them by and large, are not aware of the seriousness of this problem. They are not aware of the great sorrow this constitutes for many parents. Deputies cannot but be moved by the harrowing position in which parents often find themselves with lovely-looking children who are mentally retarded. We are only just grouping in respect of this problem.

I also appeal to the Minister to investigate the situation, through the various medical services under his control. He should also, as Deputy Costello said, investigate, through the Universities, the possibility of setting up a diagnostic centre in Dublin and Cork to which children could be taken and, if possible, have the diagnosis and treatment of experts.

I agree with much of what was said here in regard to what might be described as day treatment. It is very important and it is something that could be expanded much faster perhaps than the institutional treatment. In the centres that have been set up, these voluntary organisations are trying to cope with the problem and are doing great work. I am sure the Minister is aware of the work they are doing. If possible, they should be put in the position of employing staff or the Department and its officers could employ staff—nursing staff or teaching staff—competent to deal with this matter.

I would ask the Minister to approach this problem in the manner I have outlined. It is very hard to say what Ministry or what Department should be in charge—whether the Departments of Health, of Social Welfare, or of Education or whether it should come under all or a combination of them. I think we need some legislation by which we could say to the Minister for Health who is here to-night that he is dealing with this matter of mentally handicapped children and that in the matter of their education he has authority to do it.

Two previous speakers asked where teachers could be trained. I believe there are centres in England and in America. I am sure the Minister will be able to tell us more about these than we now know. If and when the Government intend sending personnel abroad to study and qualify to look after these handicapped children, it would be a good thing if they were sent to various countries. It is very hard to judge whether the British have a better way of looking after these children than the Americans or whether the Germans or the French have a better way. I would urge the Minister to do that.

There is a créche in Waterford and the men and women looking after it are volunteers. They supply cars to bring the children to the créche. They have done great work and they have brought lecturers, especially Sister Louise of the French Sisters of Charity, to direct them in a general way in the matter of running a créche and of helping these children.

I am very glad to see in the report I have before me, which I have already mentioned, that some of these children have improved very much under this treatment and by being brought from their homes to mix with other children. I should like to point out that the main funds for the purpose are derived from flag days. I would suggest to the Minister that he should cast a benevolent eye on these people in these various centres—not only in my own constituency but in other places—who are doing such very fine work.

In regard to retarded children, Deputy Faulkner mentioned that teachers should have summer schools. I hate to think of placing any further burdens on the shoulders of national teachers or of secondary teachers. I do not think that this is the way to go about the matter; it should be approached through the medical officers of health. The teachers might be able to draw the attention of the medical officers of health to such children. That is a matter which might well be considered. In other branches of the health services we provide special treatment and send specialists down the country at various times. It would be a good idea if the Minister would consider sending some outstanding specialist to diagnose this awful complaint. Outstanding specialists could be sent to these various centres, perhaps even once or twice a year. Arrangements could be made to have the children brought there; their case histories could be sent to the specialists beforehand. That is a matter to which particular attention should be paid because I am sure if a number of these children were submitted to the observation of a first-class specialist, it could happen—and the chance is well worth taking—that under his direction or directions given to the people in charge of the children, that these children could be improved in mind and in body.

In regard to children who must have institutional treatment, one man remarked to me that it did not make much difference if we had a big central institution. I thought that was a bit hard-hearted as parents would often like to come to see their children. He pointed out to me that if they did want to see their children, they could travel in the same manner as people who are brought to the various hospitals and sanatoria all over the country by the local health authority. Transport is provided for them. He pointed out that if there was a very large sanatorium which was not being used, and if the Minister was in a position to staff it in the near future, it would be better to have a centre there for the very bad cases in need of institutional treatment.

He considered this institutional treatment would be better because it would be centralised and there could be a concentration of specialists there. I am not altogether convinced on that because the human element is involved. A centre in the country might be very remote from the children's parents homes. I thought we might have three or four such places, but of course that is a problem for the Minister. I am not pressing that there should be one central place or three central places. The Minister will be able to examine that question and the officers of his Department will be in a position to give him a fair idea as to the best way of making a real impact on the problem of the large number of children in need of institutional treatment and for whom at present there are no beds or institutions.

It is really a pity that we have an amendment proposed to this motion. During the Recess, when my colleagues and I decided to put down the motion, we thought it would be a matter which would be debated in a detached way by Deputies from all sides who, I know, are interested in this great problem. The motion is a reasonable one. The facilities at present are deplorably inadequate. According to the White Paper, only half the children in need of institutional treatment are getting such treatment.

Debate adjourned.
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