Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 3 Dec 1963

Vol. 206 No. 4

Written Answers. - Vocational Schools.

44.

Mr. Byrne

asked the Minister for Education if he will state in respect of the school year, 1960-61, or such later year for which figures may now be available to him, the following particulars for each permanent vocational school in each county and county borough: (a) name and location, (b) capital cost and number of classrooms, (c) number of full-time pupils on rolls, (d) number of full-time pupils in average attendance, (e) number of part-time pupils on rolls, (f) total number of attendance hours made by such part-time pupils, and (g) number of full-time teachers and number of part-time teachers.

Dr. Hillery

In the school-year, 1961/62, classes and courses were given under the auspices of vocational education committees at 456 centres, other than permanent vocational schools, throughout the country. The types of premises used were very varied, and included parish halls, hospitals and other institutions, national schools, industrial schools and private dwellinghouses. The drawing up of a comprehensive list of the premises used for the purpose of these classes and courses and of the further information requested by the Deputy in regard to them would entail such an expenditure of time and labour on the part of Vocational Education Committees and the Department as would not be warranted by the result. In general, however, classes and courses provided at non-permanent centres are conducted by full-time and part-time teachers whose main employment is in permanent vocational schools.

45.

Mr. Byrne

asked the Minister for Education if he will state for each permanent vocational school in each county or county borough, constructed in the past 20 years, and not now in use as a vocational school, the name, location, capital cost, number of classrooms, date of opening, date of closing, the number of pupils and of full and part-time teachers at the date of closing, and the reason, if known to him, why such schools are not now operating as vocational schools.

Dr. Hillery

None of the buildings provided as permanent vocational schools in the past 20 years has ceased to be used as a vocational school.

46.

Mr. Byrne

asked the Minister for Education if he will state the name and location of each vocational school in each county and county borough classified by his Department as a higher technical school, or technological college.

Dr. Hillery

Under Section 38 of the Vocational Education Act, 1930, a day technical college may be established only under a vocational education committee for a borough vocational education area. These areas are the county boroughs of Cork, Dublin, Limerick and Waterford. The following institutions in those areas qualify for the description of day technical college:

The Sharman Crawford Technical Institute, Cork.

The School of Commerce and Domestic Science, Cork.

The School of Music, Cork.

The School of Art, Cork.

The College of Technology, Bolton Street, Dublin.

The College of Technology, Kevin Street, Dublin.

The College of Commerce, Rathmines, Dublin.

The College of Music, Dublin.

Coláiste Mhuire Le Tíos, Dublin.

The Municipal Technical Institute, Limerick.

The School of Commerce, Music and Art, Limerick.

The Municipal Technical Institute, Waterford.

There is no formal classification of "higher technical school" or "technological college".

47.

Mr. Byrne

asked the Minister for Education if he will state in respect of the school year 1960-61, or such later year for which figures may now be available to him, the following particulars for each non - permanent vocational centre in each county and county borough: (a) name and location, (b) capital cost and number of classrooms, (c) number of full-time pupils on rolls, (d) number of full-time pupils in average attendance, (e) number of part-time pupils on rolls, (f) total number of attendance hours made by such part-time pupils, and (g) number of full-time teachers and number of part-time teachers.

Dr. Hillery

The information requested is not fully available in my Department's records. The following statement, however, contains such relevant particulars as are available:

PERMANENT SCHOOLS 1961-62

		Number of Classrooms	Whole-time Pupils	Part-time Pupils	Teachers
Committee	School	Enrolments	Average Attendance	Enrolments	Average Attendance	Attendance Hours	Whole- time	Part-time
City of Cork	Crawford M.T.I.	41	516	421	2,557	1,600	129,935	84	119
	School of Commerce and Domestic Science.	27	416	284	3,287	1,976	108,383
	School of Art	20	331	183	758	477	34,309
	Gairmscoil Bríd	12	71	45	256	156	5,642
	School of Music	13	—	—	3,432	2,823	43,421
	Boys Tech. School, Wellington Road.	6	—	—	47	33	1,619
City of Dublin	College of Technology, Bolton Street.	80	242	170	455,569	8,381	5,167	320	813
	College of Technology, Kevin Street.	29	1,162	853	372,405	4,014	2,521
	College of Commerce, Rathmines.	32	651	537	238,589	9,189	5,170
	Coláiste Mhuire le Tíos, Cathal Brugha St.	23	214	189	1,417	756	33,884
	Technical School, North Strand.	11	203	167	1,384	1,014	35,954
	Technical School, Ringsend.	14	148	124	417	256	15,834
	Technical School, Cabra	15	255	193	678	320	18,944
	Technical School, Clogher Road.	12	292	266	625	371	20,069
	Technical School, Crumlin Road.	12	208	157	936	519	29,204
	Technical School, Den- mark Street.	10	200	176	464	272	13,357
	Technical School, Emmet Road.	10	245	219	1,219	768	41,246
	Technical School, Howth	2	—	—	130	79	4,735
	Technical School, Marino	13	240	194	1,140	594	32,955
	Technical School, Capel St.	14	202	172	724	344	24,209
	Technical School, 1 Parnell Square.	9	114	88	1,262	697	62,306
	Technical School, Shel bourne Road.	12	121	88	1,325	676	39,303
	Technical School, Killester	12	254	202	372	226	12,122
	Technical School, 18 Par- nell Square.	15	304	262	5,282	3,003	117,548
	Technical School, Upper Mount Street.	10	231	182	1,228	706	32,102
City of Limerick	Technical Institute	30	414	192	2,108	1,154	72,732	43	60
	66, O'Connell Street	2	43	25	—	—	—
	Gairm Scoil Gearóid Naofa.	5	98	70	31	17	1,781
	Gairm Scoil Áine	10	330	130	912	439	18,850
	Radio School	4	102	51	—	—	—
City of Waterford	Technical Institute, Parnell Street.	21	303	169	1,275	715	46,935	19	17
Town of Bray	Technical School	11	171	138	704	400	23,777	10	15
Town of Drogheda	Technical School	15	243	180	984	645	36,673	12	20
Borough of Dun Laoghaire	Technical School, Dun Laoghaire.	15	248	182	1,428	826	42,553	19	66
	Technical School, Blackrock.	7	116	79	619	435	18,026
Town of Galway	Technical School, Galway.	16	261	206	895	392	29,833	17	5
	Technical School, Dominick Street.	2	104	79	—	—	—
Town of Sligo	Technical School, Sligo.	11	214	164	708	414	26,994	12	8
Town of Tralee	Technical School,Tralee.	16	216	152	581	346	20,553	10	18
Town of Wexford	Technical School, Wexford	12	137	102	410	223	18,739	7	13
County Carlow	Technical School, Carlow.	7	223	171	788	404	19,222	27	15
	Technical School, Tullow.	5	89	65	86	63	3,714
	Technical School, Hacketstown.	2	59	42	14	10	1,008
	Technical School, Borris.	4	80	56	37	22	1,756
County Cavan	Bawnboy	3	45	29	28	19	752	27	2
	Belturbet	3	39	32	104	71	3,967
	Cavan	8	177	148	187	111	4,900
	Kilnaleck	3	71	56	22	16	404
	Bailieboro'	4	74	53	73	46	1,613
	Glangevlin	4	13	6	6	6	526
	Cootehill	4	68	56	76	50	4,915
County Clare	Kilmihill	3	54	38	51	45	2,292	46	24
	Kilrush	7	152	112	144	112	5,959
	Newmarket on Fergus	1	25	13	26	10	988
	Ennis	14	304	219	383	255	105,851
	Ennistymon	5	188	143	170	88	5,124
	Scariff	4	66	51	163	97	4,849
	Miltown Malbay	4	79	56	50	39	2,495
County Cork	Coachford	5	73	53	118	62	3,523	138	51
	Castletownbere	4	71	53	139	78	5,316
	Mitchelstown	7	129	105	252	141	6,856
	Ballyvourney	1	23	16	59	36	2,032
	Ballingeary	4	10	6	53	34	2,228
	Bantry	6	62	42	153	76	4,094
	Kanturk	6	144	101	145	92	4,688
	Kinsale	5	67	46	256	146	6,699
	Clonakilty	6	136	167	216	146	7,828
	Cobh	9	158	123	281	164	9,213
	Cullen	2	21	17	166	126	5,030
	Kiskeam	3	40	29	22	15	1,118
	Bandon	6	163	125	452	276	10,159
	Dunmanway	6	94	72	136	87	5,177
	Youghal	5	91	64	264	152	7,519
	Lombardstown	2	24	14	54	39	2,486
	Macroom	6	85	64	134	82	4,092
	Mallow	11	215	163	547	384	14,890
	Midleton	7	148	116	265	209	9,147
	Fermoy	9	117	85	388	290	12,875
	Passage West	7	66	53	165	131	3,234
	Rathluirc	5	129	104	264	152	7,519
	Skibbereen	10	126	94	312	23	8,625
County Donegal	Letterkenny	6	196	147	181	153	6,662	78	14
	Stranorlar	5	176	129	85	50	2,588
	Ballyshannon	6	106	70	179	124	11,405
	Donegal	5	118	87	123	84	5,980
	Carndonagh	6	177	135	28	19	1,622
	Buncrana	4	83	62	120	92	6,512
	Loughanure	5	122	93	—	—	—
	Glenties	5	75	56	119	105	3,732
	Milford	5	131	102	75	58	3,767
	Carrick	4	67	47	62	46	3,718
	Gortahork	4	70	53	37	31	1,414
County Dublin	Balbriggan	5	123	98	173	116	7,693	32	80
	Dundrum	10	235	204	629	366	21,793
	Garristown	2	18	14	59	41	3,026
	Lucan	9	175	145	269	171	11,067
	Rathcoole	2	43	32	130	96	9,613
	Swords	10	186	156	155	111	6,568
	Tallaght	3	22	19	162	121	9,430
County Galway	Aille Thiar	5	85	66	88	62	3,849½	89	18
	Loughrea	5	79	54	76	43	4,184
	Ballinasloe	8	163	122	165	88	5,267½
	Carraroe	5	91	67	113	77	6,820½
	Cill Rónáin	3	43	31	93	63	6,220
	New Inn	4	52	34	47	31	2,328½
	Mount Bellew	6	74	50	68	43	3,504
	Dunmore	4	95	76	79	63	8,225½
	Gort	6	99	74	65	40	3,753½
	Portumna	4	83	58	38	27	2,352
	Rosmuck	4	39	27	181	151	13,847½
	Tuam	8	122	82	304	145	9,177
	Fóras Ostachais Mhuire	5	42	39	—	—	—
County Kerry	Castleisland	6	113	82	105	65	6,246	54	25
	Causeway	5	68	44	133	88	4,316
	Dingle	4	49	40	116	87	5,116
	Kenmare	4	62	47	111	78	3,794
	Killarney	6	159	118	248	153	9,363
	Kilorglin	6	142	93	68	45	3,934
	Listowel	7	205	152	185	105	5,824
	Rathmore	4	79	58	76	48	4,058
	Waterville	3	83	66	61	45	2,736
County Kildare	Newbridge	7	138	116	151	101	5,912	52	15
	Kildare	5	89	70	162	144	6,849
	Curragh	3	92	69	41	23	1,378
	Athy	5	180	128	228	143	5,562
	Castledermot	3	87	68	49	34	2,074
	Naas	11	322	276	145	102	8,988
	Rathangan	2	38	27	11	10	802
	Prosperous	2	82	56	41	23	1,378
County Kilkenny	Kilkenny	13	260	170	676	474	21,041	45	31
	Mooncoin	4	59	41	86	62	4,159½
	Callan	2	31	16	96	80	2,569
	Slieverue	2	46	34	93	77	2,650½
	Ballyhale	2	43	31	81	62	2,854
	Coon	2	23	13	20	14	284
	Johnstown	3	32	16	113	71	4,007
	Graignamanagh	3	56	44	44	31	2,720
	Thomastown	3	49	41	67	53	4,246
	Castlecomer	4	54	38	46	33	2,474½
	Dunamaggin	1	12	11	—	—	—
	Listerlin	2	11	6	37	28	3,044
	Tullaroan	1	8	5	15	8	372
County Laoighis	Clonaslee	2	42	29	68	47	5,354½	24	8
	Portarlington	4	111	89	32	25	2,293
	Portlaoise	7	143	108	213	113	6,624
	Rathdowney	3	63	48	49	32	1,555
County Leitrim	Ballinamore	3	56	42	27	17	1,516	38	1
	Carrick-on-Shannon	5	114	82	52	35½	1,563
	Carragallen	3	84	63	52	44	1,505
	Keshcarrigan	3	50	34	33	23	930
	Manorhamilton	6	95	77	55	42	1,800
	Kiltyclogher	2	71	49	—	—	—
	Drumkeerin	3	65	43	17	13½	590
	Mohill	5	94	76	34	21	1,678
County Limerick	Newcastlewest	8	157	103	148	111	6,144½	36	14
	Cappamore	3	46	31	113	88	4,758
	Kilfinane	3	63	45	79	56	2,850
	Croom	3	56	43	128	102	5,225
	Drumcollogher	3	58	47	68	55	3,435
	Abbeyfeale	5	97	78	229	177	8,851
	Hospital	4	63	42	76	50	3,181
	Shanagolden	3	36	27	81	63	4,214
County Longford	Longford	10	218	159	229	161	8,635	32	14
	Ballymahon	4	92	66	84	55	3,953
	Ballinamuck	4	97	71	34	24	2,208
	Lanesboro'	5	103	80	140	109	7,203
	Granard	4	79	57	66	45	3,620
County Louth	Ardee	7	164	114	117	73	4,123	28	23
	Bush	5	84	70	42	27	2,077
	Dundalk	19	288	218	613	401	25,914
	Dunleer	4	78	57	26	18	962
County Mayo	Ballina	8	223	174.6	191	120	5,289	51	8
	Castlebar	8	158	119.2	117	71	4,175
	Westport	5	89	65.2	94	50	3,352
	Ballyhaunis	5	84	66.9	52	35	1,904
	Belmullet	5	116	84.7	51	31	2,798
	Swinford	4	82	60.5	56	32	2,577
	Crossmolina	2	24	15.7	20	14	1,478
	Cashel-Achill	4	117	90.9	84	69	2,570
County Meath	Navan	7	196	152	251	167	10,329	49	9
	Kells	8	144	111	126	85	4,537½
	Trim	4	125	91	103	64	6,162½
	Athboy	4	88	70	66	43	2,060¼
	Nobber	4	74	54	14	10	780
	Dunshaughlin	4	66	53	—	—	—
	Oldcastle	3	94	83	72	50	2,706
	Longwood	2	35	26	21	13	1,536
County Monaghan	Rockcorry	3	38	25	14	9	404	24	13
	Castleblaney	5	118	99	52	36	1,420
	Carrickmacross	5	112	80	144	106	6,571
	Clones	5	107	73	53	31	2,056
	Monaghan	8	187	139	181	127	7,145
County Offaly	Banagher	3	103	76	181	143	5,070	33	22
	Birr	6	86	61	69	45	1,944
	Edenderry	4	157	119	94	69	3,740½
	Ferbane	4	60	38	115	77	2,819½
	Shinrone	2	32	25	14	11	548
	Tullamore	11	327	255	463	298	14,279½
County Roscommon	Roscommon	6	131	95	120	85	4,901½	29	9
	Ballaghaderreen	6	167	139	42	34	1,242
	Castlerea	5	92	70	82	71	3,218½
	Elphin	4	73	54	40	35	3,600
	Boyle	4	39	28	342	266	13,201
County Sligo	Ballymote	6	122	88	92	52	3,688	38	4
	Tubbercurry	6	99	73	65	30	2,442
	Grange	5	61	48	47	26	2,030
	Easkey	4	104	71	43	32	2,471
	Gurteen	3	47	35	37	23	1,174
	Coolagh	3	67	53	36	24	1,010
	Corballa	3	51	35	39	25	1,269
County Tipperary, N.R.	Nenagh	5	122	93.1	171	110.4	4,530	33	16
	Borrisokane	6	83	59.7	—	—	—
	Thurles	7	152	107.3	394	206.8	8,563½
	Roscrea	5	101	77.0	210	129.6	6,374
	Templemore	5	92	63.3	53	34.4	1,346
	Newport	5	79	60.8	74	60.0	2,862
County Tipperary, (S.R.)	Ballingary	2	20	10	—	—	—	50	9
	Cashel	6	86	67	132	74	5,004
	Carrick-on-Suir	5	112	82	329	162	11,314
	Cahir	6	141	100	159	101	6,667
	Cappawhite	3	49	40	—	—	—
	Killenaule	3	50	38.8	50	49	2,004
	Clonmel	10	182	121.4	578	604	20,235
	Mullinahone	2	24	17	54	46	2,442
	Tipperary	8	170	110	138	99	5,408
County Waterford	Dungarvan	7	185	119	382	276	12,121	17	10
	Cappoquin	4	30	15	73	50	2,395
	Portlaw	3	20	12	141	96	459.8
	Tramore	—	13	10	79	46	2,653
County Westmeath	Athlone	12	240	191	197	142	9,709	36	5
	Castlepollard	4	58	42	81	51	2,840
	Killucan	4	71	56	99	51	1,452
	Moate	4	69	48	43	31	1,901
	Mullingar	10	359	278	181	101	2,835
County Wexford	Enniscorthy	7	112	83	210	114	10,630	42	24
	New Ross	7	130	96	136	86	783
	Gorey	6	153	122	189	133	1,431
	Bunclody	3	45	31	83	62	734½
	Adamstown	2	53	44	11	7	152½
	Kilmuckridge	2	45	36	19	15	78
	Sheelbaggan	2	40	26	—	—
	Bridgetown	3	49	35	10	8	116
	Kilrane	2	23	15	20	13	122
County Wicklow	Wicklow	7	139	111	267	163	6,302	29	20
	Rathdrum	6	55	42	48	42	3,489
	Baltinglass	7	162	133	41	26	2,762
	Carnew	3	65	50	—	—	—
	Tinahely	1	13	9	54	45	3,082
	Arklow	6	97	62	333	236	11,827½

48.

Mr. Byrne

asked the Minister for Education if he will state fully the various salary scales at present payable to various grades of permanent wholetime teachers in vocational schools and colleges of technology, including the scales payable to principals or assistant principals, specialist teachers, heads of departments, etc.; and if he will state clearly the duties, responsibilities and conditions in respect of which the various salary scales are payable, and the date on which such scales were authorised by his Department.

Dr. Hillery

The present salary scales for teachers employed under vocational education committees, and the date on which they came into effect, are set out in the list below. The duties, responsibilities and conditions are not always uniform even within each grade. It is not possible, therefore, to give a specific reply to the second part of the Deputy's question.

Following is the list:

SALARY Scales for Vocational Teachers, as sanctioned by the Minister for Education with effect from 1st November, 1961.

1. Class III Teacher:

(a) Married Man:—£630—4×£22, 3×£25, 2×£32, 3×£37, 3×£50, 1× £62—£1,180

(b) Single Man or Woman:—£541—5×£19, 4×£25, 5×£32, 1×£37—£933.

2. Class II Teacher:

(a) Married Man:—£983—7×£36, 3×£37, 1×£42—£1,388.

(b) Single Man or Woman:—£879—1×£28, 7×£30, 1×£35—£1,152.

3. Class I Teacher:

(a) Married Man:—£1,130—6×£35, 3×£36, 1×£39, 1×£41—£1,528.

(b) Single Man or Woman:—£1,026—1×£26—8×£30—£1,292.

4. Specialist Teacher:

(a) Married Man:—£983—7×£40—3×£41—1×£44—£1,430.

(b) Single Man or Woman:—£944—4×£33, 3×£34—£1,178.

5. Higher Technological Teacher—Class III:

(a) Married Man :—£1,057—3×£38, 7×£40—£1,451.

(b) Single Man or Woman:—£981—2×£26, 2×£28, 2×£29, 1×£31—£1,178.

6. Higher Technological Teacher—Class II:

(a) Married Man:—£1,188—8×£38, 1×£42, 1×£43—£1,577.

(b) Single Man or Woman:—£1,066—7×£28, 1×£36—£1,298.

7. Higher Technological Teacher—Class II:

(a) Married Man:—£1,310—8×£36, 2×£38, 1×£41—£1,715.

(b) Single Man or Woman:—£1,158—1×£24, 4×£29, 3×£30, 1×£35—£1,423.

8. Assistant Principal—Group A:

(a) Married Man:—£1,275—2×£36, 2×£38, 3×£39, 2×£40, 1×£46—£1,666.

(b) Single Man or Woman:—£1,166, 2×£29, 5×£34, 1×£35—£1,429.

9. Assistant Principal—Group B:

(a) Married Man:—£1,451—5×£40, 5×£42—£1,861.

(b) Single Man or Woman:—£1,243—2×£28, 2×£34, 4×£35, 1×£37—£1,544.

10. Principal—Group A:

(a) Married Man:—£1,275—2×£36, 2×£38, 3×£39, 2×£40, 1×£46—£1,666.

(b) Single Man or Woman:—£1,166, 2×£29, 5×£34, 1×£35—£1,429.

11. Principal—Group B:

(a) Married Man:—£1,346—2×£44, 6×£45, 2×£49,—£1,802.

(b) Single Man or Woman:—£1,166—7×£39, 1×£46—£1,485.

12. Principal—Group C:

(a) Married Man:—£1,601—8×£47, 1×£51, 1×£54—£2,082.

(b) Single Man or Woman:—£1,334—2×£41—4×£44—£1,662.

49.

Mr. Byrne

asked the Minister for Education if he will give details as to (i) the number of candidates from vocational schools and higher technical schools, or colleges of technology, in respect of each county and county borough taking mathematical, scientific, technical or technological or professional examinations conducted by bodies from outside the State, e.g. examinations such as the English General Certificate of Education, London City and Guilds, British National Certificate (various stages), London University, and all other examinations of this type and (ii) the subjects taken; and if he will state for the country as a whole the number of candidates taking each subject at each level, and the number of passes and failures amongst such candidates.

Dr. Hillery

There is no official information available to my Department on the outside examinations chosen by the students concerned.

50.

Mr. Byrne

asked the Minister for Education the number of candidates from vocational schools or colleges of technology who took the secondary Leaving Certificate Examination of his Department in 1963, and the number of honours, passes and failures amongst such candidates in each of the subjects taken.

Dr. Hillery

The candidates in question, together with others, are admitted to the examination under a special provision intended for those not eligible to present as recognised pupils in secondary schools. Such candidates are not obliged to indicate the type of school, if any, being attended by them.

Of the 1786 extern candidates, however, so admitted, the Departmental records show 312 as coming from Vocational Schools and Colleges of Technology. The results obtained by these 312 candidates are given in a tabular statement which, with the permission of the Ceann Comhairle, I propose to have circulated with the Official Report.

Following is the statement:—

STUDENTS from Vocational Schools and Colleges of Technology who presented for subjects at the Leaving Certificate Examination, 1963.

(1) Number who presented —312.
(2) Subjects:
	Passed with Honours	Passed	Failed	Total Presented
Irish	1	131	51	183
English	2	158	44	204
History	—	69	62	131
Geography	3	129	47	179
Mathematics	2	68	129	199
Latin	—	11	11	22
French	1	24	7	32
German	—	—	1	1
Italian	—	—	1	1
Spanish	1	1	1	3
Physics	2	8	3	13
Chemistry	2	8	4	14
Physics and Chemistry	1	1	2	4
Botany	—	2	1	3
Physiology and Hygiene	—	6	9	15
Domestic Science	1	15	8	24
Art	2	34	13	49
Drawing	3	35	5	43
Commerce	16	41	6	63