Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 13 Jul 1965

Vol. 217 No. 7

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Education Statistics.

83.

Mr. Coughlan, Mr. Jones, Mr. T. O'Donnell, Mr. Clohessy, Donnchadh Ó Briain

andMr. J.J. Collins asked the Minister for Education the amount of State funds expected to be spent on new buildings, and on alterations or extensions to present buildings, provision of equipment etc., for institutions of higher education in (a) Dublin, (b) Cork, (c) Galway, and (d) Limerick during the present year and in the near future.

84.

Mr. Coughlan, Mr. Jones, Mr. T. O'Donnell, Mr. Clohessy, Donnchadh Ó Briain and Mr. J.J. Collins

asked the Minister for Education if any steps are being taken, or are contemplated, by his Department or any other State agency for the acquisition of sites with a view to the expansion and extension of facilities for higher education throughout the country.

89.

Mr. Coughlan, Mr. Jones, Mr. T. O'Donnell, Mr. Clohessy, Donnchadh Ó Briain and Mr. J.J. Collins

asked the Minister for Education if he will state in respect of each of the school years ended 1935 and 1945, and 1955 to 1965 inclusive the number of students enrolled at (a) primary schools (b) secondary schools (c) vocational schools (i) whole-time and (ii) part-time (d) UCD, UCC, UCG and Trinity College and (e) other institutions of higher education.

90.

Mr. Coughlan, Mr. Jones, Mr. T. O'Donnell, Mr. Clohessy, Donnchadh Ó Briain and Mr. J.J. Collins

asked the Minister for Education if he will state in respect of each of the years 1935 and 1945 and 1955 to 1965 inclusive for (1) vocational schools, and (2) universities and other institutions of higher education (a) the number built (b) the number renovated or extended (c) the total number in existence (d) the estimated cost to the State of new buildings and extensions and (e) in respect of (2) the estimated cost to the College authorities of new buildings and extensions.

92.

Mr. Coughlan, Mr. Jones, Mr. T. O'Donnell, Mr. Clohessy, Donnchadh Ó Briain and Mr. J.J. Collins

asked the Minister for Education if he will state in respect of the years ending 1935 and 1945 and 1955 to 1965 inclusive (1) the cost per annum to the State for each student at (a) primary schools (b) secondary schools and (c) vocational schools (i) whole-time and (ii) part-time and (d) universities and (e) other institutions of higher education; (2) the total cost to the State of education and (3) the percentage of all Government expenditure spent on education.

93.

Mr. Coughlan, Mr. Jones, Mr. T. O'Donnell, Mr Clohessy, Donnchadh O'Briain and Mr. J.J. Collins

asked the Minister for Education if he will state in respect of the most recent date for which figures are available the number of students from (a) Dublin city and environs, (b) Cork city and environs, (c) Galway city and environs, (d) Limerick city and environs, and (e) within a 30 mile radius of (i) Dublin, (ii) Cork, (iii) Galway, and (iv) Limerick, who are attending (i) primary schools in the area (ii) full time vocational schools in the area, (iii) secondary schools in the area, (iv) University College, Dublin, (v) University College, Cork, (vi) University College, Galway, (vii) Trinity College, Dublin, and (viii) The Royal College of Surgeons and the Royal College of Physicians, and (ix) part-time University courses.

94.

Donnchadh Ó Briain, Mr. J.J. Collins and Mr. Clohessy

asked the Minister for Education the number of students from Counties Clare, Limerick and Tipperary who are following full-time courses, in (a) University College, Dublin (b) University College, Cork (c) University College, Galway and (d) Trinity College, Dublin.

95.

Donnchadh Ó Briain, Mr. J.J. Collins and Mr. Clohessy

asked the Minister for Education the number of full-time students (a) undergraduate and (b) postgraduate in each faculty in (1) University College, Dublin (2) University College, Cork (3) University College, Galway and (d) Trinity College, Dublin.

Minister for Education (Mr. Colley)

With your permission, a Cheann Comhairle I propose to take Questions Nos. 83, 84, 89, 90, 92, 93, 94 and 95 together. The compilation of the information requested will take some further time. When it is available, I will circulate it to the Deputies.

Deputies

Bingo.

85.

Mr. Coughlan, Mr. Jones, Mr. T. O'Donnell, Mr. Clohessy, Donnchadh Ó Briain and Mr J.J. Collins

asked the Minister for Education the numbers of professors and lecturers appointed to University College, Dublin, University College, Cork, University College, Galway, and Trinity College, Dublin during the past three years.

86.

Mr. Coughlan, Mr. Jones, Mr. T. O'Donnell, Mr. Clohessy, Donnchadh Ó Briain, and Mr. J.J. Collins

asked the Minister for Education (a) the number of boys, (b) the number of girls and (c) the total number from secondary schools who passed the leaving certificate examination in each of the school years 1954 to 1964 inclusive from secondary schools (1) in and (2) within a 30 miles radius of (i) Dublin, (ii) Cork, (iii) Galway and (iv) Limerick.

87.

Mr. Coughlan, Mr. Jones, Mr. T. O'Donnell, Mr. Clohessy, Donnchadh Ó Briain and Mr. J.J. Collins

asked the Minister for Education if he will state in respect of (1) University College, Dublin, (2) University College, Cork, (3) University College, Galway and (4) Trinity College, Dublin, for each of the academic years ended 1935 and 1945 and 1955 to 1965 inclusive (1) the number of (a) whole-time and (b) part-time students from (i) the Republic, (ii) Northern Ireland and (iii) outside Ireland, (2) the cost to State funds of each student in each of these categories, (3) the annual subvention from State funds to each college, and (4) the basis on which it is paid.

88.

Mr. Coughlan, Mr. Jones, Mr. T. O'Donnell, Mr. Clohessy, Donnchadh Ó Briain and Mr. J.J. Collins

asked the Minister for Education if he will state in respect of (1) University College, Dublin (2) University College, Cork, (3) University College, Galway and (4) Trinity College, Dublin (a) the total number of students, and (b) the total number of staff under the following headings: (i) professors (ii) lecturers (iii) assistants, demonstrators, etc, and (iv) non-teaching staff and (c) the ratio of teaching staff to students in respect of each of the years 1934-35, 1954-55, 1959-60 and the latest year for which statistics are available.

91.

Mr. Coughlan, Mr. Jones, Mr. T. O'Donnell, Mr. Clohessy, Donnchadh Ó Briain and Mr. J.J. Collins

asked the Minister for Education if he will state in respect of each of the years 1935 and 1945 and 1955 to 1965 for (1) primary schools and (2) secondary schools (a) the number built (b) the number renovated or extended (c) the total number in existence and (d) the estimated cost to the State of new buildings and extensions; and if he will state in respect of each of these years in respect of secondary schools the estimated cost to secular and religious owners of new buildings and extensions.

Mr. Colley

With your permission, a Cheann Comhairle, I propose to take Questions Nos. 85 to 88 and Question No. 91 together and to furnish the information requested, in so far as it is available, in the form of tabular statements which will be circulated for inclusion in the Official Report.

Following are the statements:—

UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES

ACADEMIC APPOINTMENTS, 1962-63—1964-65.

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE, DUBLIN.

	1962-63	1963-64	1964-65
Professors	4	12	3
Statutory Lecturers	1	5	1
Non-State Lecturers	39	49	54
TOTAL	44	66	58

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE, CORK.

	1962-63	1963-64	1964-65
Professors	—	3	6
Lecturers	3	4	3
TOTAL	3	7	9

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE, GALWAY.

	1962-63	1963-64	1964-65
Professors	2	2	3
Lecturers	7	2	11
TOTAL	9	4	14

TRINITY COLLEGE, DUBLIN.

	1962-63	1963-64	1964-65
Professors	4	1	2
Readers	2	—	—
Lecturers	8	2	5
Junior Lecturers	11	10	9
TOTAL	25	13	16

NUMBER OF BOYS AND GIRLS FROM SECONDARY SCHOOLS WHO PASSED THE LEAVING CERTIFICATE EXAMINATIONS

	Schools in Dublin and within 30 miles radius	Schools in Cork and within 30 miles radius	Schools in Galway and within 30 miles radius	Schools in Limerick and within 30 miles radius
School-Year	Boys	Girls	Total	Boys	Girls	Total	Boys	Girls	Total	Boys	Girls	Total
1954-55	719	508	1,227	244	158	402	206	184	390	254	197	451
1955-56	691	569	1,260	257	156	413	209	172	381	304	194	498
1956-57	878	546	1,424	286	196	482	201	179	380	307	221	528
1957-58	862	592	1,454	268	183	451	230	191	421	351	242	593
1958-59	963	621	1,584	323	224	547	192	183	375	262	261	523
1959-60	1,233	777	2,010	349	235	584	232	240	472	334	287	621
1960-61	1,245	883	2,128	373	305	678	248	303	551	380	321	701
1961-62	1,421	947	2,368	402	312	714	275	290	565	399	311	710
1962-63	1,473	1,024	2,497	467	317	784	298	329	627	422	369	791
1963-64	1,613	1,172	2,785	530	375	905	310	347	657	477	409	886

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE, DUBLIN.

Year	Whole-time students	Total	Part-time students (unclassified)	The Cost to State funds of each full-time student	The Annual State subvention*
The Republic	Northern Ireland	Outside Ireland
						£	£
1934-35		Not available		—	—	Not available	287,008
1944-45		,,		—	—	—
1954-55		,,		3,409	286	84	287,008
1955-56		,,		3,537	269	80	286,276
1956-57		,,		3,809	283	91	347,824
1957-58		,,		3,904	340	89	347,824
1958-59		,,		4,218	262	82	347,824
1959-60		,,		4,463	305	105	468,324
1960-61		,,		4,944	367	116	573,224
1961-62	4,919	101	381	5,401	373	110	596,574
1962-63	4,544	110	437	5,091	1,181	133	678,324
1963-64	5,090	175	475	5,740	1,186	125	715,424
1964-65	5,449	202	457	6,108	1,243	125	763,224
							*Capital Grants and scholarships are not included.

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE CORK.

Year	Whole-time students	Total	Part-time students (unclassified)	The Cost to State funds of each full-time student	The Annual State subvention*
The Republic	Northern Ireland	Outside Ireland
						£	£
1934-35		Not available
1944-45		,,
1954-55	1,079	4	86	1,169	61	105	123,000
1955-56	1,130	6	78	1,214	100	100	121,500
1956-57	1,175	3	68	1,246	97	120	149,350
1957-58	1,196	5	57	1,258	95	119	149,350
1958-59	1,219	—	56	1,275	85	118	149,850
1959-60	1,228	6	70	1,304	160	140	182,850
1960-61	1,315	2	68	1,385	126	142	196,960
1961-62	1,435	2	84	1,521	120	141	211,960
1962-63	1,622	9	95	1,726	61	149	256,460
1963-64	1,823	12	112	1,947	119	145	284,260
							Capital grants and scholarships are not included

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE, GALWAY.

Year	Whole-time students	Total	Part-time students (unclassified)	The Cost to State funds of each full-time student	The Annual State subvention*
The Republic	Northern Ireland	Outside Ireland
						£	£
1934-35	533	—	—	533	89	56	29,500
1944-45	725	2	—	727	13	41	30,000
1954-55	824	2	72	898	61	82	74,000
1955-56	803	1	72	876	66	84	73,850
1956-57	826	—	67	893	98	98	87,230
1957-58	806	1	68	875	83	99	86,390
1958-59	851	2	62	915	77	94	86,390
1959-60	873	8	64	945	72	123	116,380
1960-61	978	8	70	1,056	61	120	126,380
1961-62	1,088	9	73	1,170	54	117	136,380
1962-63	1,257	9	72	1,338	126	121	161,380
1963-64	1,443	8	64	1,512	71	122	184,380
							*Capital grants and scholarships are not included.

TRINITY COLLEGE, DUBLIN.

Year	Whole-time students	Total	Part-time students (unclassified)	The Cost to State funds of each full-time student	The Annual State subvention*
The Republic	Northern Ireland	Outside Ireland
						£	£
1934-35	Not available			Not available
1944-45	,,			,,
1954-55	914	331	563	1,808	279	48	87,250
1955-56	853	332	466	1,651	353	53	87,250
1956-57	882	305	534	1,721	246	61	105,250
1957-58	921	325	736	1,982	245	53	105,250
1958-59	983	320	965	2,268	299	46	105,250
1959-60	1,071	276	1,096	2,443	305	51	125,250
1960-61	1,072	406	1,158	2,636	276	67	176,050
1961-62	1,107	400	1,337	2,844	312	68	194,250
1962-63	1,118	472	1,374	2,964	224	86	253,750
1963-64	*1,010	*487	*1,079	2,923	Not available	102	298,250
	*These figures do not include Diploma or advanced students				Capital grants and scholarships are not included.

(4) Annual grants are paid by the Department of Education for the general purposes of the university colleges in each financial year. The amounts of such grants are determined after examination of the proposals submitted by the authorities of each college for the year in question.

Annual grants are provided by the Department of Agriculture for the Faculties of Veterinary Medicine and General Agriculture, University College, Dublin, School of Veterinary Medicine, Trinity College, Dublin, and the Faculty of Dairy Science, University College, Cork.

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE, DUBLIN.

	1934-35	1954-55	1959-60	1963-64
	1944-45
All students	Figures not available	3,703	4,768	6,926
Professors—full-time	47	51	60
do.—part-time	18	14	19
Lecturers—full-time	28	21	26
do.—part-time	9	5	1
Assistants—full-time	94	142	233
do.—part-time	61	82	110
Non-teaching staff	322	386	512
Ratio:
All teaching staff—all students	1:13	1:12	1:12
Full-time teaching staff—full-time students	1:20	1:20	1:18

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE, CORK.

	1934-351944-45	1954-55	1959-60	1963-64
All students	Not available	1,236	1,464	2,089
Professors	32	36	38
Lecturers	16	21	28
Assistants and Demonstrators	19	18	26
Part-time academic staff	59	86	121
Non-teaching staff	126	136	146
Ratio:
All teaching staff—all students	1:9	1:9	1:9
Full-time teaching staff—full-time students	1:17	1:17	1:21

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE, GALWAY.

	1934-35	1944-45	1954-55	1959-60	1964-65
All Students	622	740	959	1,017	1,900
Number of Staff:
Professors	26	27	29	30	32
Lecturers	8	7	14	20	27
*Assistants, Demonstrators, etc.	14	22	33	40	63
Non-teaching Staff	15	22	21	25	37
Ratio of Teaching Staff to Students	1:13	1:13	1:13	1:11	1:16

*Excluding student-Demonstrators.

TRINITY COLLEGE, DUBLIN.

	1934-35	1944-45	1954-55	1959-60	1964-65
All Students	Not available	2,103	2,748	3,154
Professors and Fellows			56	53	65
Lecturers and Junior Lecturers			42	79	113
Assistants and Demonstrators			19	25	26
Non-teaching Staff			310	352	Not available
Ratio-teaching Staff-Students			1:18	1:16	1:15

(1)	(2)	(3)	(4)	(5)
Financial Year	Number of national schools	Number of national schools renovated and or extended	Total Number of Schools in existence	Total State grants expended on the erection and improvement of national schools
National	Secondary
1935-36	35	Precise information not available from Department's records	5,280	327	£127,529
1945-46	21	,,	5,009	385	£176,095
1955-56	45	17	4,872	474	£1,043,488
1956-57	64	27	4,871	480	£1,408,496
1957-58	45	16	4,869	489	£1,206,352
1958-59	92	62	4,869	494	£1,491,400
1959-60	85	51	4,878	511	£1,542,682
1960-61	84	38	4,882	526	£1,260,189
1961-62	81	50	4,880	542	£1,698,476
1962-63	65	70	4,867	557	£1,824,430
1963-64	94	101	4,864	569	£2,325,994
1964-65	96	116	4,848	573	£2,928,914

Secondary Schools

(a) and (b): From the information available to me it is not possible to state the number of secondary schools built, renovated or extended during the years in question.

(d) The capitation grants payable to secondary schools contain an element of capital contribution towards building costs. Since, however, within these grants no particular amount is earmarked in relation to the element concerned, it is not possible to furnish the information sought by the Deputies.

It is not possible, from the information available to furnish the information sought by the Deputies in the latter part of the question.