Estimate for Public Services—Vote 21.
Estimates, 1966-67.
The Dáil, according to order, went into Committee on Finance and resumed consideration of Estimates for Public Services for the year ending 31st March, 1967.
Mr. Barrett
You have reversed your own decision and we want to know why.
Is it not obvious why?
You forget about the 15 minutes.
Mr. Barrett
It is an outrageous ruling. I say again it is outrageous.
Will the Deputy resume his seat?
Mr. Barrett
I will not resume my seat. You indicated there were three minutes to go.
Will the Deputy resume his seat?
Mr. Barrett
I will not because I think what you have done is an outrage on the order and the dignity of the House.
No point of order may be raised once the question has been put by the Chair.
Deputies
Hear, hear.
The Deputy is always disorderly anyway.
Mr. Barrett
You yourself said that after 7.30 p.m. there were three minutes to go.
The lawyers are distinguishing themselves.
Look at the two lawyers over there. They had better keep up to date with their own propaganda.
(Cavan): There were three lawyers in Fianna Fáil cutting each others throats.
There is no use in the debate for the Department of Justice proceeding. There is no justice here any longer.
I am calling on the Minister to conclude.
Mr. Barrett
I still protest. You were wrong. I offered myself.
I would ask Deputy Barrett to resume his seat. He is most disorderly.
(Interruptions.)
Mr. Barrett
I want to speak on the Estimate for the Department of Justice.
I have called on the Minister to conclude.
Why is Deputy Barrett denied his right to speak on the Estimate?
Would it not be in order to move the adjournment of the House?
Mr. Barrett
I am offering to speak on the Estimate.
I have already called on the Minister to conclude. I would ask the Deputy to resume his seat.
Mr. Barrett
I will not sit down until I am heard. I should be given an opportunity to speak.
Deputy Barrett should be given an opportunity to speak.
Mr. Barrett
It is not your duty to stifle the debate.
The Deputy is never here.
Mr. Barrett
I am here more often than the Minister is.
The Fine Gael Party are sinking.
Mr. Barrett
I am offering to speak on the Estimate for the Department of Justice. You called on the Minister without giving me an opportunity of offering.
The Deputy did not offer on the Estimate for the Department of Justice. He has been raising points of order.
You did not give anybody a chance to offer.
(Interruptions.)
He is making it the same as on Telefís Éireann where only one side have a chance.
Mr. Barrett
Before I offered, you called on the Minister for Justice. I am entitled to offer on the Estimate for the Department of Justice and I will not have my voice stifled in this fashion.
There is no question of stifling any Deputy's voice. I am calling on the Minister to conclude. Will the Deputy please resume his seat?
Mr. Barrett
I offered before that. I am not going to sit down and I am not going to let the Minister speak until I am heard.
Deputy Barrett must resume his seat. He is being most disorderly.
Mr. Barrett
I am entitled to speak.
The Deputy is not entitled to interrupt when I am speaking.
He is entitled to speak on the Estimate.
I have called on the Minister for Justice to conclude.
We have had a very constructive debate on the Department of Justice.
Would the Minister not give way to the Deputy?
Mr. Barrett
I am entitled to speak on the Estimate.
(Interruptions.)
I am now sending for the Ceann Comhairle.
Ten minutes ago you were asked to do so in relation to Private Members' Time.
Deputy Barrett never comes near the House.
Mr. Barrett
That is a most outrageous remark from the Minister.
You are in the wrong and you know it. You are running now.
If we are running now, you have out-distanced us long ago.
(Interruptions.)
You have put the nail in your coffin.
The Deputy is making his maiden speech.
Can the Minister not withdraw until Deputy Barrett speaks?
I cannot withdraw. I am obeying the Chair.
The Chair has obviously made a mistake. The thing for you to do is to withdraw. If you had any decency, you would do so.
An Ceann Comhairle took the Chair.
I would point out that Deputy Barrett has refused to obey the instructions of the Chair to discontinue interruptions.
Mr. Barrett
I want to make a point. I offered to speak on the debate for the Department of Justice.
I must name Deputy Barrett to the House for insubordination to the Chair.
Mr. Barrett
I regret that, but I insist I was entitled to speak. For some reason most of us understand, I was forbidden to speak.