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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 16 Nov 1971

Vol. 256 No. 11

International Federation of Voluntary Health Service Funds (Corporate Status) Order, 1971: Draft Order.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann approves the following order in draft:—

International Federation of Voluntary Health Services Funds (Corporate Status) Order, 1971— a copy of which Order in draft form was laid before Dáil Éireann on 2nd November, 1971.

This draft order is being made under the International Health Bodies (Corporate Status) Act, 1971.

In the course of the debate on the Act I mentioned that I expected that it would be used in the first instance to enable the incorporation in Ireland of the International Federation of Health Service Funds. As anticipated, an application has been made by that body for the making of a corporate status order to enable their incorporation in Ireland.

This body had its origins at the first International Conference on Voluntary Health Insurance held in Dublin in 1966 at which delegates decided to establish an International federation to promote co-operation in the development and study of voluntary non-profit-making health services throughout the world. At the second international conference held in Sydney in 1968 a constitution was adopted which set up the International Federation of Voluntary Health Service Funds.

The aims and purposes of the federation are to assist individuals in obtaining health services and for this purpose to promote the development and study of voluntary non-profit health services throughout the world. These aims are in accord with the type of international body envisaged in the Act. The federation is a non-profit-making body.

Membership is open to—

(1) organisations carrying out, or co-ordinating voluntary health services on a non-profit basis;

(2) other organisations interested in voluntary non-profit health services; and

(3) persons interested in voluntary non-profit health services.

The Voluntary Health Insurance Board is a member of the federation and its general manager is secretary general and treasurer of the federation. The former general manager of the board is administrative director of the federation. Present membership of the federation consists of 89 organisations under category (1), seven under category (2) and eight individuals in category (3).

I am satisfied that the federation is a body that should be welcomed to this country and that its status is such that I would not hesitate to permit its incorporation. I have, in accordance with the terms of the Act, consulted the Minister for Industry and Commerce and he has no objection to granting corporate status to this body.

I would therefore commend this resolution to the House.

The aims and objectives of this international federation are praiseworthy, but would the Minister tell the House if he has any idea as to what the cost of being a member of it will be?

Membership cost is £20.

We, in the Labour Party, are not opposed to the setting up of this body here, but I would like to point out that we are opposed to voluntary health services because we believe voluntary health services are not the kind of services that are needed since health should not be on a voluntary basis. Health is too important a matter to be on a voluntary basis and, the cost of health services being what it is, the onus is on the State to intervene and provide proper services for all the people. We can no longer accept that health should be a voluntary matter. I am concerned with the fact that health services in Europe are mostly voluntary health services; the State pays only for the lower income group. I am concerned about this because of our proposed entry into the European Economic Community. No health service should be on the basis of one's ability to pay for it. Countries will have to accept the fact that there is an obligation on the State to provide proper health services for all. I know the Minister believes in private enterprise and voluntary organisations but he cannot deny that health is too important a matter to be left to voluntary organisations.

This is totally irrelevant.

This does not arise on the Resolution.

I know it does not.

If it does not arise, then the Deputy should get away from it.

It has nothing to do with the resolution.

I am talking about voluntary health organisations.

It has nothing to do with the Resolution.

The Minister is getting annoyed again.

Yes, I am.

He always gets annoyed when he does not agree with something.

He wants to get back to purging the party. It was supposed to be purged six months ago.

This relates to an international organisation.

The Deputy may not hang a debate on health services in this country on this Resolution.

I am talking about the international organisation of voluntary health services. I challenge the Minister to deny that.

The fact the body is stationed here does not mean the Minister for Health for the day has either to agree or disagree with its general objectives. It is simply an admission that there should be an international organisation.

Of voluntary health services.

With headquarters here which may discuss all sorts of subjects about which there might be controversy in the Dáil.

It is an organisation to protect the interests of these international health organisations and I am, I think, entitled to comment on this. I am commenting on voluntary health services.

Not in this country.

I believe I am within my rights in doing so.

Not in this country.

"The aims and purposes of the Federation are to assist..."

Quite right. "The aims and purposes of the Federation are to assist individuals in obtaining health services and, for this purpose, to promote the development and study of voluntary non-profit health services throughout the world". That is exactly what I am talking about and I cannot understand why the Minister should object. The Minister had no right to intervene as he did, no right to interrupt.

Now the Minister has annoyed Deputy O'Connell.

Whilst we have no objection to this, we are very much in favour of State intervention in this very important matter of health. Health should not be left to voluntary organisations.

Question put and agreed to.
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