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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 10 Jul 1975

Vol. 283 No. 7

Financial Resolutions, 1975. - Resolution No. 3: General (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That it is expedient to amend the law relating to inland revenue (including excise) and to make further provision in connection with finance.
—(Minister for Finance.)

I do not intend to delay the House for long but there are a few other things I wish to say in connection with the economic package introduced by the Minister for Finance some time back. I said yesterday that I considered that the introduction of subsidies on food in order to show the Government's determination to tackle the problem of inflation was necessary and the right thing to do. The introduction of the payment of £12 to an employer in respect of each person taken from the live register at the Labour Exchanges and put into constant employment is an imaginative and constructive step. The employment situation and the inflation situation demand certain sacrifices. The sacrifices that are being asked are small when compared with the benefits that will accrue if the package works. Unless there is full co-operation from all sections of our people it will be very difficult for the package to work.

I believe our people—trade unionists, employers and professional people —are prepared to give their co-operation. The workers in particular will be prepared to give their co-operation unless they feel that they and they alone are being asked to carry the whole burden. Trade union leaders are in the position that they must submit any arrangements they may make to their ordinary members and to representatives of their ordinary members. Trade union leaders are in a position to discuss with the Government and to ensure, even before this is put to their ordinary members, that the Government intend to control dividends, professional fees, and so on, as well as the wages of the people who are concerned with the national wage agreement.

Our Minister and our Government must ensure that they bring home to the workers that ordinary workers will not be the only ones asked to forego increases and that increases will not be allowed in dividends. I am not speaking of profits, which would normally be ploughed back into an industry to make it more viable. I would like the Government to see that steps are taken to ensure that increases in profits, in professional fees and in other such matters are not allowed unless they coincide with what is allowed to the ordinary worker. If that is made quite clear I feel sure that the trade union movement and its leaders will be prepared to take their share of the burden.

Once the workers of this country understand that they are not being asked to carry the whole load and that it will be evenly spread over the whole area of our industrial and professional structures they will be ready to do their share and to ensure that the future of their jobs and of their industries is secure. It is better to have more of our people working even at present wage and salary levels than to have fewer people working at slightly or even greatly increased amounts of pay and salary. For that reason I believe our people will accept what the Government are trying to do and accept their part of the package.

Some industries, even with the economic situation as it is, may be doing very well and may be having reasonable or good profits. The workers in these industries may feel that the economic situation of other industries has nothing to do with their rights to claim the normal increases they should get. That is fair enough. If there are such industries—I am sure there are— some method should be devised whereby these people employed in those industries, which are making and possibly increasing their profits, will, eventually, get what is their normal due, as the industry is doing well.

That is why the whole spectrum of a wage agreement is a very hard thing for the trade union movement or anyone else to agree to on a broad basis. If we were dealing with specific industries that could not afford to pay the normal increases under the wage agreement then we would be dealing with something different. What is being asked by the Minister is that the last phase of the wage agreement should be modified.

This probably applies to industrialists, who are well able to pay the increases under the wage agreement. I am sure the workers in these industries will feel that they are being somewhat cheated if they agree to this. In those circumstances there should be some form of bonus that would accrue to these workers at a later date, perhaps. If we mean to put our people back to work we must sell our produce. This means that in our low exporting industries we have very little room for increases in price ranges. I know two or three industries in my constituency which have been in trouble on the export market. The principal reason was that the British economy was going through a very bad period and consequently, the people of Britain were not buying at the normal rate for that country.

Fifty per cent of our exports still go to Britain, and when we have the British economy in bad circumstances naturally it affects many of our export industries to the United Kingdom. We must try to do everything possible to keep the price of these commodities, which we export not alone to Britain but all over the world, competitive at a price at which they will sell. It is necessary that no extra costs be put on our industries at this point in time. This also affects the home market. If there is an increase in wages, naturally most of our industrialists and producers will look for an increase in price. That, again, causes a rise in prices and that, then, causes a demand for greater income.

The situation finally reaches the stage where we are priced out of our export markets, where even our own people in the lower income groups, and particularly in the category of social welfare, and, indeed, in many other spheres, cannot afford to buy the goods our industries and our farmers are producing. In that approach, naturally, there will be a slackness of work and redundancies. We want to try to produce more efficiently, if possible. This has an effect on management as well as labour. Management in some industries must bear a lot of the responsibility for the cost of some of our productions which go on the export market. Production could have been cheaper if it was properly managed.

We signed a free trade agreement with Britain and we are now approaching the stage of full free trade with Europe. We did this at a time when our industrialists did not seem to realise that they were approaching such a state. They did not gear themselves to this. Many of them built up during the years of protection within the home market and the home market seemed to satisfy them. They were able then to export their surplus at a figure which was not really economic. For that reason we went into this free-trade-area agreement without being fully prepared, with our industries not fully alive to the fierce competition we would have to endure in those markets and on the home market.

This seems to be a situation in which management have something to answer for. We must ensure that in relation to the industries that will be subsidised and helped, that will be given grants, the managements and personnel within them are capable of providing the kind of know-how and expertise that is necessary in our modern trading position. Management and workers together have a responsibility in this. If they accept what the Minister says, and the dire consequences for our society if we do not accept this packet and if this packet does not succeed, other measures will have to be taken, because it is vital, regardless of what society we belong to, that this packet works, that our people are put back into work and that our rate of inflation is reduced.

I do not wish to delay the House unduly. Our people now have a duty to consider the jobs of their fellow workers and the jobs of the people who are unemployed. Our people, in general, whether they are workers in industry, professional people, people who draw dividends or anything else, are the people who must make the small sacrifices asked by the Minister in order to bring us through these times of economic crisis.

The measures taken in the budget have been worthwhile and will mean a good deal to the lower income groups, old age pensioners and others who buy bread and butter as their principal food. Good efforts have been made to reduce the cost of living, but it is unfortunate that the introduction of these subsidies coincided, in some instances, with a rise in price. However, most people will understand that the rise in price would have been added on to the old price, were it not for the subsidies. It is unfortunate that the removal of VAT from electricity charges has also coincided with a rise in the price of electricity, but it would have been an added load if VAT had not been removed.

By their decisions, the Government have proved that they are trying to reduce inflation. They have proved by the introduction of the employment premium of £12 per week that they are anxious to encourage employers, industrialists, to take on men who are on the live register. The measures the Government have introduced will not be of benefit if there is not full co-operation from all sections of the community. Together we can overcome our difficulties. The employment premium incentive of £12 will encourage employers, exporters and industrialists generally to be ready for the upswing which most economists feel will come in 1976.

Listening to Government speakers, one might be led to believe that the Government were performing some extraordinary feat in tackling inflation at the present time when in fact the problem of inflation should have been tackled long ago, by any Government which regarded themselves as responsible. The speeches made by speakers on the Government side might have had some credibility if they were made in reference to steps taken a year ago. Surely they are not suggesting that it is only now that we are facing a very serious economic situation because of inflation? This problem has been with us for quite a considerable time and despite all the efforts from this side of the House to impress on the Government the urgency to take firm action, nothing was done until quite recently.

This Coalition Government will be remembered for its total lack of concern for the rising tide of unemployment which has engulfed the country over the past number of years. We have had, of course, no lack of professions of concern from the Government for the unemployed, but when it came to making decisions which were vital to the economic wellbeing of the country, decisions which in the short-term might be unpopular but which would result in the saving of jobs, then we saw the real weakness of the Government who were determined to ensure that short-term popularity would be theirs even at the expense of the shocking rise in the number of unemployed. All sorts of excuses were trotted out by the Government for their failure to tackle and curb inflation. Last summer we were told that there would be an upturn in the economy by the end of 1974. When this did not materialise, we were told it would come in March, 1975. Later it was to come in the summer of 1975 and later still it was to come at the end of 1975. Finally, we are now told that the upturn may come sometime in 1976.

The irresponsibility and callousness shown—I cannot use any lesser term —by the Government as the numbers of unemployed increased by hundreds each week, as redundancies rose and industries closed is unbelievable. Improved social welfare payment which did not keep pace with rising costs but which appeared, when figures are quoted, to be very large succeeded in keeping the pressures off the Government until recently. When it became obvious that not only was employment being lost but that the jobs themselves were going out of existence, and would be lost for ever, then public reaction forced the Government to act and bring in the budget package, which in my view is of doubtful quality. The fact is that if it is not successful, then the outlook is very dim indeed.

Rampant inflation is, and has been for quite some time under this Government, a major problem. At a time when most countries were controlling it, our inflation rate continued to escalate. This made it more difficult for us to compete on foreign markets and severely damaged our trade on the home market where we had to compete with imports. It was clear to every responsible person that this could not be allowed to continue, but far from facing up to this problem the Government kept repeating that they could do nothing to control the situation. The oil crisis had become an almost permanent excuse for lack of action on the part of the Government. The excuse about the oil crisis ignores the fact that other countries in western Europe and also in the United States also experienced this problem. Nevertheless, they have succeeded in reducing their inflation rate. In the case of Germany, the inflation rate was reduced to six per cent, while our inflation rate was running at 25 per cent or higher. When the oil excuse was not acceptable any longer, the Government changed their tune and admitted for the first time that the larger part of the inflationary problem was home-produced and that measures had to be taken if we were to curb the problem.

My own feeling is that the Coalition Government would never have admitted that inflation was home-produced, had it not been for the fact that there was a national wage agreement in the offing and the Government were hoping that by changing their tune in relation to the source of inflation, they might hope for lower wage demands. This turnabout by the Government was too abrupt to have any credibility. The national wage agreement emerged and was loudly applauded by the Government, but in a few short months the Government made the expected about-turn and claimed that the agreement of which the Minister for Finance and the Minister for Labour among others were so loud in their praise, was at the root of the financial problem, that unless something was done, we faced ruin.

In my view this is leadership of a Coalition variety which is supposed to raise us out of the morass into which failure to make decisions has led us. This Government have shown clearly that they propose to stagger on to the next election on their short-term popular political decisions, whatever the cost may be in the misery, anxiety and agony for those who lose their employment and who, in many cases, become of age and because of the fact that some jobs are lost forever, are destined to remain on the list of unemployed for the remainder of their lives. To those, and they are many, who have never before known what it was to be out of work this is a traumatic experience. The really sad aspect of it, in so far as I am concerned and in so far as we on this side of the House are concerned, is that it should never have had to happen. Prompt action at the right time could have saved these jobs, but members of the Government were more concerned with saving their own political skins for a little longer.

This failure to control inflation is the basis for the fundamental failure of the Government. We discussed a Private Members' Motion last December and when we pointed to certain actions taken by the Italian Government to protect its industry, which was in serious difficulty at that time, the Minister for Industry and Commerce, in replying, stated that the Italian Government were placing themselves in a highly dangerous position vis-à-vis the EEC and pointed to the severe economic strain under which Italy was labouring, even going so far as to say that the Government had fallen because of its actions. Six months later, when we were discussing a similar motion here, we were able to point to the fact that Italy had cut its rate of inflation from 24 per cent to 12 per cent. This had not been an easy task for the Italian Government but they proceeded to take the necessary action while, at the same time, our inflation rate was escalating with this Government, like Micawber's waiting for something to turn up and all the while more and more people were being thrown out of jobs.

The real problem we faced here was that the Government refused to face up to the fact that unemployment was escalating rapidly. They took refuge in quoting percentage increases in unemployment figures in other countries and patting themselves on the back when the percentage increases here were not so high as they were in other countries. The Minister for Local Government, in reply to a supplementary question in which I asked him if he would provide money for intensive labour operations, such as reconstruction and recycling large old buildings, such as was done in Denmark so as to provide work for many of those who were unemployed in the building industry, retorted that unemployment had increased in Denmark by 400 per cent and, later, in a television interview, the Minister for Industry and Commerce referred to a 230 per cent increase in unemployment in Denmark.

Leaving to one side the discrepancies in these figures, the obvious question to ask is: 400 per cent of what and 230 per cent of what? Four hundred per cent of one is just a unit, 10 per cent of 1,000 is 100. The fact is that the unemployment rate here was very much higher than it was in other countries in any of the figures which are available to us. We have to take into consideration also the fact that in this country we do not include school leavers as is done in many other countries. This is typical of the attitude of the Coalition. The motto is simply to find excuses rather than to take action.

I am personally interested in the footwear industry which is such a large employer in my constituency. In a Private Members' Motion in December, 1974, and again in June, 1975, I pointed out that due to the exceptional importation of shoes, particularly from low-cost countries and from the Comicon countries, the home industry was in jeopardy and, unless steps were taken at once, the industry would collapse. I do not need to go into the details of the speeches made on those occasions. They are on the record of the House. On every occasion I was met by stonewalling resistance on the part of the Minister for Industry and Commerce and his Parliamentary Secretary to every suggestion I made about invoking certain Articles of the Rome Treaty and of the Treaty of Accession. The invariable answer was that it could not be done, that I was misreading the situation, that the EEC rules and regulations were there and that we could attempt to utilise them only at our peril.

During the six months which elapsed from December, 1974, in reply to questions and supplementary questions to the Minister for Industry and Commerce the Minister and the Government persisted in their attitude that nothing could be done. During the same six months, and I want to emphasise this, hundreds of workers were losing their employment in the footwear industry. Several footwear industries were closing down, some of them never to reopen. Footwear operatives, who had worked for long years in the industry, were for the first time in their lives swelling the queues at the employment exchanges.

We argued on this side of the House that Article 135 of the Treaty of Accession, which permitted a country of the EEC to demand protection for an industry which was severely threatened and which could demand this protection up to 1977, should be brought into operation. The Minister, no later than a few weeks ago, repeated that it could not be brought into operation. The reference can be found in Volume 282 at columns 168 and 169 of the Official Report. Lo and behold, two weeks after the Private Members' Motion had been discussed, with the Minister's repeated denial, the Minister for Finance in his budget statement, and later in reply to questions I posed to him here after the budget speech, stated that they were going to Brussels immediately to seek protection for the footwear industry under Article 135 of the Treaty of Accession. I wonder whether any Minister in the Government knows what another Minister is thinking or what he is doing. I think it is an absolute scandal that many footwear workers are now unemployed with, in many instances, the employment gone forever, and for no other reason but that the Government were unable to make up their minds about what to do. They were finally compelled to do exactly what we on this side of the House told them could and should be done many months ago.

The fact is that the redundancy money, the unemployment benefit and the pay-related benefit which these workers will now get is very poor compensation to them for the loss of their jobs. The factory in Drogheda to which I referred on the Private Members' Motion has now gone into liquidation with the loss of 170 jobs and it need not have gone into liquidation had the Government done what we advised them to do long ago and which they are now trying to do and, as far as I can see from the reports in the papers and reports on television, without any great success. For obvious reasons, the Commission recognises that they are not really in earnest in what they are doing.

Last night I listened to a report on Telefís Éireann during a newscast in which it was stated that the Commission in Brussels was now moving to protect the footwear industry in Ireland. From the earlier part of the news report, I had expected great things and I listened carefully and hopefully to see what facts would emanate from the Commission. I was shocked to find that all that was involved was that the 10 per cent tariff reduction which took place on 1st July, 1975, on goods entering this country from Britain in accordance with the Anglo-Irish Free Trade Agreement was being replaced by the Commission when the British refused to agree to do so.

In case anyone should be misled into believing this was of any help to the footwear industry, which is in a critical condition, I have only to state that the position after the Commission reimposed the 10 per cent would be exactly the same as it was up to June 30th, 1975. We are all aware of the fact that the industry was in severe straits prior to 30th June, and that the footwear factories which closed down and were on short time closed down prior to June 30th. So while we may be thankful for small mercies, the fact is that what the Commission have done to date is useless. The fact is that the Commission will do little or nothing while this Government are in power. They are well aware of the attitude of the Minister for Industry and Commerce. They know from Dáil debates on this particular subject and on kindred subjects that they will be under no pressure from him if they do not take any further steps to protect the footwear industry.

I strongly protest against the attitude of the Government and the Minister in relation to an industry which has grown up over the past 40 years, was developed under a Fianna Fáil Government to the extent it has developed, and has given worth-while and steady employment to so many people in this country and particularly in my constituency. In my view, full pressure under Article 135 of the Treaty of Accession should be brought to bear on the Commission in Brussels to save at least what is left of the industry and to preserve the skills built up over the years and, not only that, but to give us an opportunity, if there is still an opportunity, to reopen some of the footwear factories which have gone out of production.

I want to say on behalf of the Opposition that we do not intend offering any further speakers on the budget debate. We are anxious to let the Minister for Finance in to complete the debate so that we will have as much time as possible for the debate on the Wealth Tax Bill. If the Minister is not replying, should not the question be put?

The Minister has been sent for.

I am not sure but I imagine the question should now be put. There is nobody to reply to the debate.

Mr. Kenny

May I offer myself.

Acting Chairman

The Parliamentary Secretary has not spoken. It is in order for him to speak.

Mr. Kenny

I had not intended to speak, but to fill up the interim period——

If the Minister is anxious to reply we are willing to accommodate him.

Mr. Kenny

He is. Thank you.

Acting Chairman

Word has been sent to the Whip to get the Minister.

We have had, perhaps, the most dispirited budget debate ever in the history of the Dáil. I suppose it is not surprising, because the truth is that the Opposition could not oppose the Government's fundamentally sound approach to the serious economic problems facing the State. The most grievous problems are agreed. They are inflation and unemployment. These are also the most serious problems facing the whole world at present. Even today in Brussels, while I am speaking, my colleagues, the Finance Minister of Europe are meeting to consider the present economic position in Europe, where the twin problems of unemployment and inflation are recognised as being at the most serious levels since the 1930s. There is agreement that the situation on the unemployment front is unlikely to improve for some time to come, and may get worse.

There is also agreement, there and elsewhere among informed people, that the problem of unemployment will be easier to solve if the rate of inflation is brought down. If any society, including our own, deludes itself into believing it can carry on with a high rate of inflation, it will have to suffer a high rate of unemployment. As we in Government said more than a year ago, there is no point in people in Ireland getting cross with each other because the world situation is now so abominable. No group in our society, whether they are in insecure or secure employment, can obtain any special improvement in their position except at the expense of their fellow workers and their own neighbours in this community.

In my budget statement on behalf of the Government, we indicated a number of proposals which, if implemented by the Government, would have the effect of reducing the rate of inflation by about four points. The Government wish to proceed with that programme. It is clear from the public reaction to the Government's budget that there is a national desire that the Government would succeed in that programme. There is a national will to accept whatever sacrifices have to be made to bring about that reduction in inflation. The Government are determined that no sector of our community will be permitted to frustrate the overwhelming national desire to bring about a reduction in the rate of inflation and, consequently, a reduction in the number unemployed which will result if we increase our competitiveness by reducing inflation.

There is also a public understanding that the cost of Government and the cost of meeting the pay of every person employed in the public interest by Government are rising to levels which our society is not in a position to pay for.

In that situation, the Government will have to meet this problem head on. It is pointless for any group in our community to demand—and many people do demand—that the Government should pay special increases to people in secure employment at the expense of the general body of tax-payers who are the providers of the money for paying them. Many of the people who provide these pay packets are in insecure employment themselves or have been disemployed or have suffered drops in their incomes because of the economic difficulties facing the country. If there is not an acceptance by our people of the very obvious facts of economic life then our present difficulties will be multiplied.

The principal problem we have is to translate the inherent common sense of the individual Irishman into collective wisdom. It is a challenge for a democratic Government to do this, and this Government have taken up that challenge. We have been faulted because the Government failed forcibly to administer unpleasant medicine in the budget. There seems among some people to be a conviction that medicine can be no good unless it tastes unpleasant. In fact most effective medicines today are quite pleasant to taste.

There is nothing in the Government's proposals which involves any unfair sacrifice, any long-term disadvantage for our people. The Government are asking for moderation, for reasonableness; they are asking people in protected employment to have regard to the plight of many of their neighbours who are not in such secure employment and who have suffered severely as a result of the world economic recession. I believe that our community expects that there will be a positive response to the Government's proposals, and we are therefore looking forward to having worth-while meaningful discussions with the social partners so that we may achieve by agreement, what many other countries have achieved by agreement. We do not want Ireland to be labelled as the one unreasonable country in Europe because of our failure to reach agreement as to how to achieve our own salvation.

It is interesting to note that in the neighbouring island, subsequent to the introduction of our Government's budgetary measures, the Government there proposed measures, which on the face of it might appear to be even more restrictive than the proposals of this Government. Let us study the position there. The position in Britain is that already increases in incomes of 30 and 40 per cent and more have been demanded and given to certain sectors. The Government there are now proposing that any further increases above 10 per cent will not be granted. Increases of that magnitude have not been a feature in Ireland in 1975. So Government measures here do not need to be as restrictive as those that are being imposed in Britain. Their situation has got more out of hand than the Irish situation did before we introduced supplementary budget proposals. That does not say that there is any room whatsoever for increases beyond what the Government have already suggested and what are suggested in the national wage agreement. When this agreement was under negotiation, it was not anticipated that the Government would take measures of their own to bring about a reduction in the consumer price index. The Government are now taking those steps to bring about that reduction and are asking very reasonably in return that there should be an adjustment, and reductions, in income expectations to reflect the reduction in the consumer price index.

On three occasions in my budget statement I referred to the desirability of excluding as a basis for seeking wage increases that element in the consumer price index which reflected necessary taxation on luxuries. That was first put to the people in the Government's White Paper last November in "A National Partnership" and it has been enunciated by me on several occasions since then. On three occasions in my budget statement I made reference to it.

It is very interesting to note that nobody in the course of the budget debate in this House challenged that proposition. Surely we must stop pussyfooting on this point? Nobody wants to say in public or private that the Government are wrong to say that in times of economic difficulty taxes on luxuries should be excluded from calculation of the consumer price index for wage indexation purposes. The truth is that no reasonable person could so suggest. Before the previous budget in January, I received deputations from all the social partners and various organisations of one kind or another and I put to them the simple question: "If taxation had to be increased to meet necessary Government outlay, should the Government increase income tax or should the Government increase tax on non-essentials?" Every deputation said: "Increase the tax on non-essentials." Since then many of the organisations which gave that advice to me and pleaded with the Government to do that, many of the media commentators who said the Government were right to do that, have insisted that total compensation be given in income increases for those taxation increases on luxuries which they regarded as justifiable and necessary in the public interest. Other countries have excluded such items from their cost-of-living index for wage purposes. We are still pussyfooting on this. It is time it stopped.

Some people want to run away from the unpopularity which they think would be associated with an endorsement of that viewpoint. It is high time that we as a community had the honesty and the decency to accept taxation on non-essentials without compensatory income increases to pay for the support necessary for the less privileged in our community. If people are unwilling to meet the tax bill, to meet the taxation on income, if they are unwilling, as some people are, to pay taxation through charges on their capital accumulations, if they are unwilling to pay any other form of tax, how on earth can they expect Government to provide for the less privileged in our community? It cannot be done. The sooner that simple fact of life is honestly and decently faced the sooner can we exclude from the consumer price index for wage increase purposes that element of taxation on luxuries. I am stressing this once again with complete personal conviction, and also on behalf of the Government, because we are convinced that it is wrong for our society to be seeking total compensation for taxation which is intended to transfer some money from the better-off to the less well-off. If society seeks total compensation for that, there is no good, from the social or moral point of view, in imposing taxation on luxuries. People ought to be prepared to accept that it is the decent thing to do and I think most people regard it as the decent thing to do. Until effect is given to that readiness to pay tax on luxuries without compensation, we will continue at budget time to give hypocritical approval to taxation on luxuries and within a matter of weeks will seek total compensation for the alleged sacrifices. We must accept taxes on non-essentials without compensation in the national interest and have regard to the necessitous circumstances in which the less well-off members of our community are forced to exist.

The Government's measures to reduce living costs by four per cent will not prevent living costs rising, certainly will not prevent the consumer price index rising, for other reasons. The principal ingredient in price rises in Ireland in 1975 is income. There is no use in anybody blowing off indignantly about that truth. It happens to be the truth. Whether people are blameworthy or otherwise, you can leave aside for the moment. Our inflation this year is attributable to the extent of 80 per cent to income increases. Therefore, if the curbing of inflation is an agreed national goal we must choose the weapon which can most effectively bring about that reduction. That method is curtailment of our own income demands. It is as simple as that. Other countries are not going to reduce our rate of inflation for us. There may be some fall off in the rate of increase of inflation arising out of imported inflation because the prices of imported commodities are not increasing in 1975 at the atrocious rate at which they increased in 1974, but we have no control over that element in the future any more than we had in the past. All we can say is that as of 1975 it is not going to be as significant as it was in the past.

A number of Deputies have made the point that reductions in the prices of electricity and town gas, due to the zero rating for VAT purposes on electricity and town gas from 1st July, in other words since the introduction of a 12½ per cent subsidy, have been offset by further increases. The only recent increases in these prices was an increase of 14 per cent on the total of ESB bills. That 14 per cent increase in ESB bills was due primarily to increased labour costs. I want to repeat that, because if people are waxing indignant about increased prices they should look to the cause of the increased prices. If they want to be indignant they must be equally indignant about the cause, because if the result is an inevitable consequence of the cause then it is time we as a community and we individually attacked the cause. The primary reason for the increase in the price of electricity by 14 per cent was labour costs. That increase was applied to the May-June billing period, that is, for electricity which was consumed in the May-June period, before the Government's budget measures took effect. Bills which are being issued at present cover that period, May and June, but any increases that flow as a consequence are pre-budget and not post-budget. The budget concessions will be reflected in future accounts.

I want to refute the charge that the surcharge of 10 per cent of the standard and higher rates of income tax for 1975-76 is a retrospective charge. This is not so. The tax liability for 1975-76 is a current liability, and any adjustment of the taxation during the current year is not retrospection. As the country and the House are well aware, the annual budget, until this year, was introduced in May and taxation proposals which affected income tax were operative from the commencement of the tax year, 6th April.

Consequently, even though the budget tended to be introduced in May, it was invariably the following July before the Finance Bill was passed. The July Finance Bill will be on all fours with the experience and practice of previous years. Until 1975, with the introduction of a January budget, the legislation fixing tax liability for a year was not passed until three months of a tax year had expired. It was never previously argued that any increase in liability in such circumstances amounted to a retrospective charge.

The present surcharge will be collected from July onwards. But for the structure of the income tax system, it might have been expressed as a special surcharge on income arising from 1st July onwards. Since, however, the surcharge is part and parcel of the income tax code it must be fitted into the existing scheme of income taxation under which tax is charged for the year of assessment in respect of a year's income. Consequently the addition to the 1975-76 tax liability must be super-imposed on the income tax charge for the year as a whole, which means it is measured by reference to the income for the year. The tax is expressed as a surcharge for the year but it will be collected from the period of July onwards.

The point has been made very wrongly that the imposition of the 10 per cent surcharge is inequitable because it has been alleged that it does not take into account the personal circumstances of the taxpayer. Some Deputy asserted that it took no account of whether or not the taxpayer was married or had children or other dependants. I want to give some figures which will clearly refute that stupid allegation. If we take any particular level of income and the following families' situations you will find that there is a very distinct difference in the amount of tax that will have to be paid. I will give, first of all, the income figures, then the tax payable by a single person, then the tax payable by a married person with no children, and then the tax payable by a married person with three children, and finally a married person with five children. If we take the total income at £2,500, the additional taxation payable as a result of the 10 per cent surcharge would be: for a single person £13.12; for a married person £1.05; for a married person with three children, nothing, for the married person with five children, nothing. If we take an income of £3,000, the 10 per cent additional charge will mean additional taxation for the single person of £30.62, a married person £18.55, a married person with three children, nothing, and a married person with five children nothing. Taking a total income of £5,000 the additional tax payable as a result of the 10 per cent surcharge by a single person would be £101.37, a married person with no children, £88.55, a married person with three children, £64.40, and a married person with five children, £48.30. These figures entirely refute the allegation that the surcharge does not take into account the different number of dependants of different taxpayers. May I also point out that these figures assume that a taxpayer has no other allowances or is not entitled to any other tax free deductions? If a taxpayer has, for instance, mortgage obligations, is paying interest on borrowed money or has insurance policies, other allowances would be made and accordingly the tax liability would be less.

Deputy O'Malley referred to the fact that the 35 per cent rate of income tax will continue to apply to companies. He suggested that an individual receiving dividends would pay tax in respect of them at the increased rates of tax whereas if he set up an investment company to receive the dividends the company would be charged the 35 per cent rate only. Companies were deliberately excluded from the surcharge as a further contribution by the Government to arresting the downward trends in production and employment. In the January budget this year, notwithstanding very severe financial constraints, the Government gave very generous reliefs to companies to assist them in their liquidity problems, and in order to enable them to maintain employment. These tax concessions to companies are costing about £16 million this year. It would clearly have been contrary to the Government's policy as enunciated in January, having given tax concessions to companies, then to increase taxes on companies in June. That is the reason why the Government very sensibly excluded companies from the surcharge. We are satisfied that this will not encourage people to set up investment companies to avoid the surcharge on their dividend income, since the taking of such a step could attract liability under the wealth tax. This is a very quick benefit to flow from the Government's wealth tax proposals. It shows the necessity in modern society of having a number of taxes —particularly of taxing capital as well as income. Many of the tax avoidance practices in this country in the past were able to operate because we left so many loopholes. But the loopholes are being closed by the Government and that is one of the principal reasons underlying much of the opposition to the Government's capital taxation proposals.

Under the wealth tax provisions, those investment companies will be liable at a rate of 1 per cent on their total assets. Assuming a yield of 10 per cent, this would be equivalent to 10 per cent of income. Such companies would not receive the benefit of the exemption threshold of £100,000 which applies in the case of a married couple under the wealth tax. The indications are that rather than such investment companies being formed they are now being liquidated, no doubt in anticipation of the application of these provisions. It is extremely unlikely that they would be set up now so as to avoid an additional income charge of 3.5 per cent on dividends and incur wealth tax at an effective rate of 10 per cent. It must also be remembered that where an investment company distributes dividends to its shareholders the surtax would, in any event, be payable on such dividends. Deputy O'Malley's remarks are in his own tradition of making mischievous and groundless suggestions.

It is estimated that the surcharge will be paid by about a third of the total number of individual taxpayers. We have no particular pleasure in having to impose this surcharge. It does not mean that the Government feel that income tax levels are not high enough. On the contrary, since we entered into Government two-anda-half years' ago we have substantially reduced the burden of income tax. It is interesting to note that notwithstanding this surcharge in the year 1975-76 many taxpayers will pay on their particular incomes less income tax than they would have had to pay on the same income in 1974-75. That is as a consequence of the substantial increases in the personal income tax allowances which the Government have given for two years in succession.

For a single person, assuming that single person has no deductions available to him other than the personal allowance, he will not be liable to the surcharge unless his total income exceeds £2,125. A married person, without dependants, will not be liable to the surcharge unless his total income exceeds £2,470. A married person with three children will not be liable to the surcharge unless his total income exceeds £3,160.

In connection with the reduction in the higher rate of income tax provided by section 11 of the Finance Act, 1975, I remarked in the course of my statement on the Finance Bill that it was necessary, in order to keep the tax charge on people in the top bracket of a level not significantly worse than that operating in Britain.

I pointed out that it was necessary for two reasons, the first being to avoid the brain drain from Ireland and to encourage the return of many Irish nationals who had gone to work elsewhere. I also pointed out that the imposition of too heavy a charge on the upper levels of income would have the effect of forcing employers to increase such incomes by very substantial gross amounts in order to provide even a modest net increase.

I should like to draw people's attention to this very significant fact that notwithstanding that we have been obliged, because of temporary difficulties, to increase the upper tax rates by the 10 per cent temporary surcharge, the position of most income tax earners in 1975-76 will be dramatically more favourable than it was for them in the year 1973-74. Indeed, more than in all the years before we came to power, when so little was done for them or anybody else because the personal income tax allowances were left untouched for 11 years and when increased were only increased by derisive amounts.

The Minister does not believe that.

It is perfectly true. If the Deputy wants me to do so I can give the figures but I will save him the embarrassment.

I will give the Minister the figures back.

I will save the Deputy the embarrassment. Deputies Colley and Haughey suggested, quite wrongly, that as a result of the Government's increased borrowing from commercial banks the private sector would be deprived of much needed credit. I can only think that they either make that allegation knowing it to be a terminological inexactitude or else they do not bother to read the financial journals or follow what is happening in the banking world.

All the banks, associated banks, commercial banks and Central Banks, were at pains, for some time past, to point out that the private sector was not availing of the credit that was there to be taken up. This is a phenomenon in all European countries at present and also in the United States of America. It is not surprising, when industry is working below capacity—it is working below capacity in many countries now to the extent of about 30 per cent—that people are not borrowing for increased investment purposes or to increase capacity.

It is unlikely that increased borrowing on a significant scale will take place until the present recession is seen to be on the way out. But without doubt when the recession is overcome there will be an increased demand for private credit. It is estimated that the banks will take up about £100 million of Government paper in 1975 in order to maintain their own liquidity ratios in line with the growth in their own resources. This is in accordance with normal practice. The intervention agency financing of £58 million by the banking system was arranged at the beginning of the year and it was taken into account by the Central Bank in determining its monetary policy.

Intervention financing is short term. It is a self-liquidating credit of a type normally provided by the banks. The additional £38 million which is now being sought for this purpose, will not significantly affect the availability to the private sector for credit, particularly at present when the demand of the private sector credit is so slight. The monetary policy guidelines issued by the Central Bank earlier this year envisaged a significant increase in lending to the private sector of the economy, somewhat, indeed, in excess of the overall rate of credit expansion.

The practical situation at present, however, is that the banks are considerably underlent, due to the lack of demand about which I have been talking. There is no shortage of credit, and the requirements of the private sector can be met now and can be met if there is a revival in demand. The provision of housing finance by the banks together with a new Government subsidised export credit to industry and intervention finance for agricultural produce, will all help to stimulate economic activity in the private sector and contribute to a recovery in demand and in the economy.

I should like to pay tribute to the banks for the responsible way in which they are meeting the difficult circumstances of our economy. I have read, as we all have, much illinformed criticism of the Irish banking system, but nationalisation of the banking system and the financial institutions is not one of this Government's policies and will not be contemplated by this Government because the banking system serves this country well. It is attuned to our needs. It works in co-operation with the Central Bank. The Central Bank ensures that the economic objectives of Governments in this country are helped by the operations of the banking system. The banking system is substantially in private hands but the directors of our banks are as interested in the welfare of the economy of this country as are the Government and any Member of this House, as is any extreme doctrinaire economist of any hue.

The Minister should not be talking about these people in their absence.

The bankers are interested in investing, to good advantage, the money placed with them by depositors. They need to make profits to cover not merely their own costs but also to counter the problems experienced with the high rate of inflation.

The profits which are earned by banks in Ireland are not out of line with the profits earned by banking systems elsewhere. Some years ago, a report, which was bespoken by an independent authority, not the banks themselves, pointed out that the profitability of Irish banks was somewhat less than existed in many comparable countries. It is necessary that our banks should be well run, and they are well run. The authority of the Central Bank is established by law. It works in consultation with the Department of Finance and the banking system to ensure that the best banking policies and practices are observed. We should be happy that the banking situation in Ireland is so healthy and that the banks are serving the best interests of the country.

There are continuous consultations between the Department of Finance and the Central Bank. When my financial statement was being prepared I took account of the views of the Central Bank on monetary policy and on the Exchequer finance as expressed at meetings between my Department and the Central Bank and in the last annual report of the Central Bank. These discussions will continue in the future as in the past and the budget proposals and their implications for financial and monetary policies will, of course, be relevant to those discussions.

Is this the Minister's farewell speech?

Deputy Haughey suggested that apparently discussions had not taken place before the introduction of the budget. That is, of course, unmitigated rubbish. I could excuse a man who had not been Minister for Finance but I cannot find it in my heart to excuse a man who was Minister for Finance and who ought to have known that there are continuous consultations between the Department of Finance and the Central Bank. Maybe Deputy Haughey did not bother to have such consultations in his day but they are certainly a continuing process under this administration. That will continue to be the practice and the policy. Deputy Colley referred to the performance of our industrial exports, and he said that they were practically static. That is wrong.

Will the Minister please move the adjournment of the debate?

May I report progress by saying that this is just yet another false accusation made by the Opposition who have been correctly termed in recent days as not only being unfit to rule but unfit to oppose as well.

The debate will be resumed at 6.30.

Debate adjourned.

There were bells ringing around the House to notify the Deputies of the start of Question Time.

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