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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 7 Apr 1976

Vol. 289 No. 8

Adjournment Debate: Industrial Workers' Houses.

I sought permission to raise on the Adjournment the subject matter of Question No. 3 on today's Order Paper to highlight the position in relation to the lack of housing for industrial workers in north Mayo, particularly those living in the triangle of Ballina, Crossmolina and Killala. In this area, because of the major industrial development, there is an urgent need for houses for industrial workers who will be employed in the coming nine months in the Hollister enterprise located near Ballina, the Asahi complex near Killala, by the expansion of the Shamrock Forge and Tool Company and the continued wellbeing of Mayco Limited in Ballina. Another reason why I raise this is to discover which Minister is responsible for housing these workers. For a considerable time nobody appears to take on the responsibility for housing these workers.

In the course of his reply to a supplementary question from me today the Minister stated:

I am not responsible for the rehousing of people except those who are rehoused under the schemes by local authorities. I suggest that the Deputy take up the matter elsewhere. It is not my responsibility.

At an earlier date when I raised this matter with another Minister I received a similar reply. The Minister for Industry and Commerce stated in a reply to a question of mine in which I asked him to provide funds for houses for industrial workers in the north Mayo area:

As the Deputy no doubt appreciates, the provision of housing generally and of Exchequer capital therefor are not matters which fall directly within my area of responsibility and I have no funds at my disposal for the provision of housing for employees in industry.

I understand, however, from the Industrial Development Authority that in view of the necessity to cater for the immediate urgent housing needs of the executive and key workers in certain new industries in Ballina/Killala area, the authority have, as a special measure, made arrangements for the provision of a number of houses for these personnel.

The houses referred to in the course of that reply are being built by private contractors and financed by the IDA. The idea is that the IDA will sell these houses back to the executives and the staff. Approximately 50 are being erected. The question being asked in that area is why the same facilities are not being made available for the ordinary industrial worker. It is felt that because the executives and the staff will have higher salaries they should be able to provide houses for themselves. The following examples will give the Minister some idea of the size of the problem. Asahi are the biggest of the industries concerned; they are probably the largest in Connacht. The personnel departments of that industry estimate that they will need 650 workers in the coming nine months.

Of the 650, Asahi feel that because of the special skills needed they will have to take approximately 300 from outside Mayo, and they feel from past experience and the general type of age structure of those workers, that at least 130 of them will be married and because of that, in need of housing. They are convinced that the whole future development and planning of the industry will stand or fall on those men and that they will not be able to attract those men to the area unless there is housing for them, because the vast majority of them will already have jobs and houses and will not feel inclined to leave good accommodation to come to an area where they will have to get, if they can be found, and they are not available at the moment, some sort of digs or lodgings.

It has been suggested that perhaps the company themselves ought to provide the housing since it appears their whole future development would stand or fall on the provision of houses for the majority of their workers. There are numerous reasons why this is not so, one of them involving the right of the individual to change a job if he or she decides to do so. If they were living in houses constructed by the company, I suggest that their freedom of choice would be considerably limited because if they decided to move it would mean they would have to vacate the houses if they were company property. Another reason is that the company have already made a sizeable contribution, in the region of £1 million, to the provision of a regional water scheme, being constructed now, to give them a supply of water.

Of the remaining 450 workers, 50 will be housed in NBA schemes which are in progress now. The balance, 400, will be taken from the immediate area or they will be able to commute. Quite a number of them will have returned from England or from other parts of the country to work in the construction of the factory which is now in progress. Many are living with parents and there are instances of two or three families living in each house. This has been the finding of a survey carried out by the Killala Community Council on behalf of the North Mayo and West Sligo Development Association.

At the moment there are 50 families living in caravans within a three- or four-mile radius of Killala. Many of them have come back from England or from other parts of this country where they already had housing accommodation. Many have two or three children and most of the mothers are worrying continuously about the possibility of serious accidents to their children who have been used to ordinary housing conditions and who will now be able to turn on gas taps and light switches. There are no toilet facilities or running water in these caravans. They are lacking in most modern amenities. Twenty other caravans contain two or three men each, many of whom will soon be getting married and will then be in need of rehousing.

The Taoiseach recently paid a visit to Ballina. He had many glowing comments on the industry and wished everyone well. He received a deputation from the association who stressed the urgency of the housing needs and told him of their concern. The deputation represented all political affiliations in the area and in the past 18 months the members have been making a study of the needs in the area. The Taoiseach promised them he would discuss this matter with the Government, but so far no decision has been communicated to the association.

I had a second question on the Order Paper which is related to the one now being discussed. The Minister in his reply asked me if I expected all the finance to be made available in 1976. I do not.

I am very glad to hear this.

The plan referred to in the second question had short term objectives and projections and I think the Minister met the deputation from the North Mayo and West Sligo Development Association. I understand he received them very well. They stressed the urgency of his allocating extra finance to this area. They urged on him also the necessity of spreading the development and they asked him specifically to ensure, as far as was within his power that the development would not take place in one centre.

I am afraid the Deputy is deviating from the subject matter of the question I gave him permission to raise, that was the subject matter of Question No. 3 which deals with the provision of funds for houses.

I said the questions are inter-related. The deputation that met the Minister was in relation to housing.

I am sorry, Deputy, I gave permission in respect of the subject matter of one question only.

I bow to the ruling of the Chair. Throughout the past 18 months there have been regular meetings in which the Department of Local Government, Industry and Commerce, Posts and Telegraphs, the ESB, CIE, the county council, the industrialists, the NBA, the architects, engineers and consultants belonging to the various industries took part. Those discussions were wide-ranging. They related particularly to the provision of housing and the other infra-structure without which industry cannot continue. Certain suggestions were made. As proof of that the NBA applied for and obtained, some six to eight months ago, from Ballina UDC planning permission for the erection of over 250 houses in Ballina. Alas, while there was great urgency in obtaining planning permission, nothing has happened since. Rumour has it that the reason was the excessive cost of the houses. A sum of £10,000 per unit was mentioned. I am in no position to confirm or deny that rumour. The fact is that houses for which planning permission was obtained some six to eight months ago are still at the drawing board stage and nothing has happened on the actual site.

If those industries are to get off the ground I submit there is an urgent need for at least 150 houses. In view of the intense competition existing all over the world to attract the very few small industries still expanding, the fact that certain states in America are even now setting up their own development associations and have followed somewhat the pattern set up by this country some years ago, and in view of the fact that the best type of advertising is by word of mouth, the commitments which have been given to Asahi, to Hollister and to Shamrock Forge and Tool Co. Limited in respect of the provision of houses should now be honoured.

The Minister said that the public capital programme allocation of £1.3 million to the NBA for 1976 will finance work in progress at 31st December last on the construction of houses. Might I ask him is that actual construction in progress, or is it work at the planning stage? If it is not work at the planning stage, I would ask the Minister to obtain the money from the Government and honour the commitments given to those companies to help alleviate the fears of the industrialists and people in the area and at least to go ahead with a number of the houses for which planning permission has been obtained.

Under current arrangements special housing to serve the needs of new or expanding industries is provided by the National Building Agency to the order of the IDA in so far as it is not provided by the normal local authority programme or by private housing. The NBA carry out the construction work by recognised tendering procedures, recouping their costs from the IDA or from moneys provided within my Department's allocation from the public capital programme for the NBA. In other words, the NBA are an agency which carry out work on the instructions of the IDA or local authorities in the main.

The public capital programme allocation made in 1976 to the NBA is £1.3 million which does not include any funds in respect of new work. It is work actually in progress; it is not work at the planning stage. Therefore, the agency are not in a position to proceed with any additional houses for industrial workers in north Mayo at present unless the IDA decide to provide them with the necessary funds out of the 1976 capital allocation. The NBA have land for over 200 houses and planning permission for the first phase of 100 houses. I understand that the IDA have arranged for the purchase of 24 speculatively built houses to meet ascertained industrial housing needs in the area which are required immediately and that they are considering proposals for more houses. I want to make it clear that it is the IDA's responsibility. I do not come into it at all except being responsible for the NBA who, as an agency, carry out the work for others.

As I stated in reply to the Deputy's question, there are no funds at my disposal out of which I can make funds available this year for additional industrial houses in north Mayo. The House will be aware that massive funds are being provided this year for the local authority housing programme. The total authorised expenditure this year is £75.5 million, or over 20 per cent above last year's level. Despite this, some new schemes have to be held up for a while in various parts of the country where needs are not so acute in order that a massive attack may be made on the list of more than 5,000 families in Dublin city who have been waiting so long for adequate housing.

In spite of this, Mayo County Council have already been notified of a total authorised expenditure of £669,000 for their social housing programme so far this year, compared to actual draws on the Local Loans Fund of £493,000 last year, £159,570 in 1972-73 and the magnificent sums of £39,980 in 1971-72, £39,099 in 1970-71 and £25,360 in 1969-70. Therefore, I am surprised that a Deputy owing allegiance to the party who formed the Government in those miserable years should give me this welcome opportunity of putting the record straight about how much better Mayo is faring under the present Government. In case money does not talk let me give the figures of local authority housing completions—because somebody may contend that there has been devaluation and all the rest of it. In 1975 there were 124 local authority houses built, 107 in the nine months of 1974, 108 in 1973-74—but watch these figures—70 in 1972-73, 76 in 1971-72, 49 in 1970-71 and none at all in 1969-70. And Deputy Calleary tells me that there are people in Mayo needing houses.

We are getting nothing from the Minister.

The Deputy had his 20 minutes without interruption and he should allow me now to make my contribution. The picture in Ballina itself is much the same. The urban district council have so far been notified of total authorised expenditure of £153,000 this year as compared with actual draws on the local loans fund of £83,300 in 1972-73, £52,000 in 1971-72, £1,730 in 1970-71 and nothing at all in 1969-70. I said also in my reply that housing for industrial workers may be eligible for housing loans, grants and supplementary grants. Traditionally, Mayo County Council have favoured a policy of assisting home ownership rather than building houses for letting. Their house purchase loans scheme has been a great success in this connection. They had applications for house purchase loans on hands at 31st December last totalling £2,160,000 although they paid out over £1,100,000 last year. Their capital allocation for their house purchase loans and grants scheme increased from £291,000 in the year ended 31st March, 1973, to £1,117,000 in the year ended 31st December, 1975. The allocation for the first half of this year is £700,000.

Apart from the local authority scheme there are ample other funds available for house purchase loans this year. It is estimated that building societies will have available upwards of £80 million and are at present open to applicants whether or not they are investors. The banks have available £40 million for housing loans during the two-year period ending June, 1977.

I will continue to give social housing of all urgent categories in County Mayo a high order of priority. I will do anything I can with available resources to help in regard to whatever houses may be needed urgently in the county. Deputy Calleary may have a point. There are a number of industries and there are workers who need housing but it is not my responsibility to provide those houses unless Mayo County Council so notify me. They have not done so, and I doubt if they will, because most of those people are people who have only very recently come to the area and, as Deputy Calleary said, there are a number of people waiting for housing there for a long time. I am quite sure Mayo County Council will put them first on their list. If the IDA feel that housing is needed they will make the necessary provision.

The land on which the NBA have permission to build 100 houses will be handed over to whatever agency wants to build those houses. The NBA only got the permission in case they were needed, and so far they have not been asked to provide houses. What the IDA do is nothing to do with this Department—we acted as an agency for them. It is very important that we remember that the county council are responsible for social housing in their area. The latest figures available from Ballina Urban District Council is that, of 23 applicants approved on the list, 16 families are of three or less. We have about 5,000 people here in Dublin who have four in one room.

Would the Minister read those figures again?

The latest figures available to me from Ballina Urban District Council are, of 23 applicants on the waiting list there are 16 families of three or less.

Is the Minister serious?

Approved applicants. There could be a thousand on the list, but everybody who applies for a house does not get a house because single persons often apply for housing. This is the information I have. There is no separate information about Killala but the council are planning 21 houses and they have just completed ten. It is up to the county council, if there are people eligible for rehousing. I know Deputy Calleary is anxious to do his best and anxious to get a few lines in the local paper.

We are not interested in lines at all.

Let me finish.

Order. Deputy Calleary ought not to behave like this. He should allow the Minister to finish.

The Deputy is tired behaving himself, and all he has got is abuse.

The Deputy has got courtesy from me on every occasion in this House.

And wrong answers.

I can assure Deputy Calleary that if in future he wants to adopt the attitude that he is adopting tonight I can be just as tough as he is. The situation is that Deputy Calleary came in here with a cock and bull story. When he finds he is on the wrong end of the stick he wants to get angry about it.

The Minister gave me wrong information twice before in the House.

The people who need houses in Mayo are being catered for. It is a backlog of ten or 16 years of Fianna Fáil failure to give them any money at all that has created this situation, apart from all the industries.

The Dáil adjourned at 9.15 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 8th April, 1976.

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