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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 30 May 1978

Vol. 307 No. 1

Private Members' Business: Apartheid: Motion .

: I move:

That Dáil Éireann expresses its condemnation of apartheid and its solidarity with all engaged in promoting International Anti-Apartheid Year 1978.

It is less in anger than in sorrow that I move this motion for which I look forward to the support of all sides of the House. In condemning apartheid we are condemning man's inhumanity to man but we are not suggesting that there is a facile solution to the agonies of the different races in South Africa.

The question of apartheid in South Africa has been on the agenda of the United Nations for about 26 years during which time it would have been difficult to recognise any significant progress towards a solution to the racial tensions of South Africa. To a large extent the reason for apartheid is an underlying fear. Anybody who has read Cry The Beloved Country, by Alan Paton, will recognise the veracity of the words in that famous novel that “the agony of South Africa is the bondage of fear from which so many Europeans suffer and the fear of bondage from which Africans suffer”. It is the fear and distrust on the part of each race as to the sincerity and the capacity of the other to behave reasonably and to honour an agreement if and when an agreement might be reached. One does not like talking in racist terms but it is impossible to discuss apartheid without talking from an assessment of the racial position. The fear of the white minority is of a sudden and violent intrusion in which they would become the victims not merely of the dispossession of property but also of the destruction of their lives and the lives of their children and dear ones.

If one is to be sincere about a problem one must recite these facts before engaging in a condemnation of apartheid. The euphemism for apartheid is separate development of race groups. In a healthy environment that would appear to be something capable of being considered if as a consequence there were richer cultural development and a full achievement of each group's individual potential. However, one of the great drawbacks of apartheid is that as applied it does not allow the development of the potential of the majority of people of Africa. Not only does it deny them the opportunity to achieve full potential but it belittles them as human beings. Because apartheid is an affront to the dignity of man, because it is a system which discriminates against people on the grounds of the colour of their skin and because it denies the fundamental truth of the equality of those who are created in God's likeness, it is a system which must revolt anyone who has a conception of the equality of human beings.

Some idea of the scale of discrimination which is apartheid can be found from some figures I should like to put on the record. If the facts are studied carefully, any fair-minded person would have to join with the many organisations around the world and in Africa in particular who are opposed to apartheid and who can join in opposition to apartheid without engaging in any violent or vicious act. It is possible that an error was made in recent decades in that well-intentioned people who are opposed to apartheid have engaged in such a propaganda war and in such unqualified condemnation of apartheid that they have created an embattled minority attitude in South Africa which has blinded the white people of that country from seeing not merely the evil of what they are doing but also, from their own point of view, the folly of their policy.

On the basis of the last census, which I think was in 1976, the white population of South Africa was 4,300,000. They are the privileged people of South Africa but because the society there is racist, people are segregated into many different groups, the main ones being whites and coloureds—people of mixed race and people of black blood. The coloured population is 2,400,000 while the Indian population, which in accordance with the local phrase includes all Asiatics, is 760,000. The black population is 18,760,000. Therefore, the total non-white population is 21,900,000 as against a white population of 4,300,000. The latest year for which I have income statistics indicate that the white population, which represents less than one-fifth of the coloured and black population, had an income of 68.2 per cent while the Asiatic population, most of whom are engaged in commerce, had income of 10.7 per cent and the black population had an income of 21 per cent. Clearly there is something wrong with a society in which there is such a disproportion in incomes. I shall not refer to the incomes as earning capacity because earning capacity is different from the way in which income is awarded.

In accordance with the solution to the racial tensions of South Africa suggested by Government there the white population would take 87 per cent of the land of South Africa. That would include all the cities, all the industrial centres, the ports, the mines and the best agricultural land. The remaining 13 per cent would be given to the coloured population of 22,000,000. In the main that land would be the poorest land and the land remote from industrial areas, the areas that have been neglected deliberately because of a policy in South Africa to concentrate development on what is described as the "white areas". That 13 per cent of the land on which the 22,000,000 would be confined to live, would be divided or subdivided into nine Bantustans, in a manner which would crystallise all the national and different family tensions which traditionally existed in Africa, and in many other parts of the world before people were allegedly civilised.

There have been some improvements in South Africa in the seventies and figures are often quoted to suggest that the rate of progress has been more rapid than might otherwise on reflection appear to be true. When you have people starting from an extremely low base of income, any substantial percentage increase obviously is meaningless. I have already quoted figures which show that 4,300,000 people enjoy 68 per cent of the income while 22 million enjoy only 21 per cent of the income. There has been some improvement but I think it is necessary to look at these things so that one can identify that there can be progress for the majority of the black population in South Africa without upsetting the settled pattern of life. It certainly brings about changes, but it is sometimes argued that you cannot have any improvement without insurrection and destruction. I do not believe that is so.

For instance, the income of black workers in Johannesburg increased by 112 per cent in 1975 while the increase for the white population in the same area for the same period was only 57 per cent. There have been tentative moves on what I might call the less important aspects of apartheid in relation to sport and the provision of increased money for housing, education, health and so on.

I mentioned sport very deliberately because it appears to be regarded as the most important aspect of apartheid in international circles. There are many people who do not play sport and I imagine in the social economic conditions of South Africa that the proportion who engage in competitive sports is probably smaller than it is in other parts of the world. I do not always go along with the campaigns to obstruct international sports meetings, but I must acknowledge that apparently that campaign has had some success because the South African authorities are now prepared to accept that the Republic of South Africa's sporting teams should be selected without regard to the colour of the people on them. Perhaps this is an indication that international pressure and comment can bring about an improvement of the situation in South Africa. I mention that as an aside because I do not regard it as the most serious aspect of apartheid. The matters to which I have already made reference speak for themselves, including condemnation of the system of apartheid.

I am not going to labour this point. If anybody thinks I am making a political issue, I am not. In 1977 South Africa shared with Ireland an extraordinary experience. That Government like the Irish Government achieved the biggest majority for a Government ever. Obviously there are dangers in giving governments historically large majorities. Last year the white population, the only people qualified to vote in the South African elections, a population of only 4.3 million, gave the Government 134 seats and the Opposition 31. South Africa must be the greatest evidence of the silent majority in the world today or at any time in the history of mankind. I assume the Opposition are opposed to apartheid and represent 22 million plus, but they have only 31 seats. There is something indefensible about such a system. Because the white people are the only people entitled to vote, the African population regard elections and political matters as the white man's affair.

Why did the white people of South Africa vote in that way? I do not pretend to be an electoral analyst but I suspect most of them voted for the Government, not out of an inherent love of them—on many occasions they have protested about various aspects of the policy of apartheid and about ordinary economic and social management, as is done in any system of elections where people are free to complain—but because they were concerned about their own economic and group interests and the manner in which they were threatened. They voted for that Government because they regarded them as being their main protection, the protection of the white economic and group interests. They also voted at a time of Immense international political emotion and excitement. I believe they voted against western liberalism and eastern communism. They gave this dangerous support to the Government of South Africa because they were alarmed as they have never been alarmed before by the presence of Russians and Cubans in Angola, Mozambique and the guerilla warfare in Rhodesia, or Zimbabwe as the majority in Rhodesia call it.

This underlines an argument that has often been advanced, and rightly so, that if apartheid is continued in the form we have seen it, or in any form, it will inevitably end in violence in which those who have sought to preserve the old order will suffer most, in which western society and the western economic order will be damaged, and in which the principal profiteers will be Russia and the Communist world. It has always been argued by reasonable people that a peaceful solution would benefit South Africa and Western Europe from which the white people of South Africa came, the Afrikaaners and those of English decent. A peaceful solution would benefit those people who now have behind them centuries of living in South Africa. They argue that they arrived, cultivated and developed many areas of South Africa long before many of the people in adjoining areas moved into the industrial areas developed by the white settlers.

That is a valid argument but it does not mean that the basic human and political rights of people are to be denied today on the grounds of colour or because they arrived later on some area of the earth. That is an unacceptable doctrine. I am talking about arguments and the kind of thoughts that motivate people. One does not have to go to South Africa to see how people are motivated by thoughts of that kind. We cannot find a solution to these problems unless we recognise that they exist and recognise the motivations of people who become inheritors of these dangerous, unhealthy traditions. Race relations in many parts of the world are more difficult and potentially more explosive today than ever before. That is the dilemma of the modern world.

Race relations, family disputes, geographical rivalries and so on have upset the world in the past, have caused a lot of misery and have changed the maps of the world. Powers have come and gone and the lives and fortunes of people have been changed. We live in an age of mass communication at a time when we have what are called world powers, where the fortunes of people of small military significance are changed not because of their own ambitions and legitimate desires but because of the rivalries of the big powers. That is one of the most sinister aspects of Africa today. In the sixties we, having been the first emerging nation of the 20th century, and having had such close attachment with the oppressed people of Africa down through the years, as our missionaries and others worked on behalf of the African people without looking for a return in this world, shared with the people of Africa a great sense of joy and pride as one area after another was granted or won its freedom. Nowadays we share an immense concern with the African people that their fortunes are being dictated not by their own interests but by the interests of external powers with little regard for the interests of the people of Africa.

It is significant and encouraging that the African churches in South Africa which do not represent the majority, and the Islamic system, have expressed their concern about developments. The purpose of our motion, which as we all know has no political mileage here, is to put on record that Ireland, which has an international influence, partly voluntary and partly involuntary through unavoidable emigration, is, through its public representatives, expressing solidarity with all who work for the promotion of human dignity and for the legitimate aspirations of oppressed people. It is our belief that a society that cannot exist without imprisoning people and interrogating people until they die or that bans people and what they say is not worth defending. That, unfortunately, is the basis of the racist regimes in South Africa.

So much has been said about apartheid and so many comments continue to be made that it is almost dangerous to pick one comment and criticise it without criticising them all, but I will refer to one particularly nasty comment which appeared in a magazine which most Deputies and Senators received through the post. This magazine has a great deal of merit in it, in some of its comments and it gives a tremendous amount of coverage to Africa. Because of that it is worth reading but there is a certain bias in it. A fortnight ago this magazine had a leading article in relation to Africa which made savage, unfair comments on Bishop Lamont and on Mr. Seán MacBride. It referred to Bishop Lamont as a despicable cleric who ought to be denounced as the chaplain to the Kremlin and to Mr. Seán MacBride as an emissary of Soviet Russia. Most of us know both gentlemen to be Christian people concerned with human dignity and human rights and they insist that these be respected without regard to the political nature of the regimes under which people live. This unfortunate article condemned these two Christian gentlemen, who suffered a considerable amount for their beliefs and who worked for the cause of human rights far beyond what was required of them as human beings. They made their contribution with an absolute conviction about the correctness of what they are doing and nobody could challenge the objectives of Bishop Lamont and Mr. MacBride who have invariably acted from right motives. They should certainly not be condemned in the intemperate and vulgar way they were condemned in To the Point recently. The author and publisher of that article bring no credit to themselves in their defence of the white people of South Africa, Rhodesia or any other area, by making attacks upon concerned people endeavouring to secure fair play and decent opportunities for personal development for the majority race in Africa. Whatever else might be said on this I hope we will not have such vicious personal attacks in the future on two splendid people who have done a great deal for people throughout the world without regard to colour, religion, race or political views.

The campaign against apartheid is not helped by the sinister and unhelpful presence in Africa today of Russian and Cuban interference in Angola, Zaire, the Horn of Africa and Zambia. Unfortunately that involvement has arisen due to the failure of the western world to convince those who emigrated from the western world to Africa of the consequences of their policies. The only way in which the evil influence of the communist world can be eradicated from South Africa is by convincing the indigenous Africans that their real friends are the people of Europe, America, Australia, New Zealand and so on, the people of the western world, the people of the free world. There is nobody free under communism, under the type of society Russia has maintained in Eastern Europe and now wants to impose on central Africa so as to divide the African continent and to hold it and the western world in its sinister grip.

However, as long as the South African Government continue to behave in their evil ways they weaken their opportunity to convince the Africans that the Communists are not friends of the African people. I wonder just how sure are the South African Government of their policies. On 19 October last they banned 18 organisations working for the black people of Africa. They were not all political organisations, far from it. Some of them were not doing anything more than looking after the basic human needs of millions of underprivileged black people. They banned two newspapers for no other reason than that they were arguing for a fairer share for black people. They detained large numbers of leaders of African political movements and indeed of many non-political movements. They banned many African people, and many white people supporting the African's cause from moving out of their homes. Since June 1976 they have banned open air meetings. You do not change people's views and you cannot conquer a people by prohibiting them from meeting. All you do is to build up greater frustration.

One of the most unsavoury aspects of the South African regime is the large number of people who have died from violent causes while in police custody. Some 20 such cases occurred in 1977 alone. There is little point in reading out a litany of the martyrs, because that is what they are. Even if some of them had committed crimes of violence they were still entitled to be treated with dignity and not subjected to torture while imprisoned. At least one of them, like Mahatma Ghandi, condemned violence of all kinds, criticised those who engaged in it. He was a man who was noted for the calmness of his comments, and though he disagreed with those who championed the black man's cause in some other way, he always did it mildly, and when he was criticising apartheid he did it with mildness, always expressing his understanding of the fears that motivated people to pursue evil and foolish courses.

I speak, of course, of Steve Biko who died after three weeks in police custody in Port Elizabeth on 12 September last. One of the most horrific aspects of the South African regime exposed as a consequence of that is the manner in which the judicial system were prepared with euphemisms to conceal the ugliness of all that happened. It is impossible to have confidence in an administration that could allow such things to happen not merely to Steve Biko but to others. One can think also of the student Bonaventura Malaza who was held since July last year in prison and was found hanged in his own cell on 18 November last. Ahmed Timol was described as having fallen to his death in Johannesburg at police headquarters on 18 November 1971.

They are just three cases but there are many others, but I never believe in trying to stir up people's emotions by quoting individual cases. The fact that these can happen with such frequency and that those who criticise them can have restriction orders imposed on them while those who commit the crimes can be indemnified under an Indemnity Act which goes back to the Soweto Riots of June 1976 is in itself a terrible condemnation of the system of apartheid.

I did not intend to be unfair to anybody and I hope I have not been. I have tried to understand what can motivate people to such desperate and evil policies. Obviously it comes back to the main cause of man doing wrong through the centuries, and that is fear, and in our condemnation of apartheid, therefore, we should not try to suggest that there are any facile or easy solutions. There are not. We have known this on our own shores in relation to sectarian tensions.

A few years ago I was in Boston and at that time there were riots day after day there, in what were known as the bussing riots. Buses were overturned, people were killed and houses were burned as white people protested against black children being brought from black areas to white areas to schools. You can understand my sense of shame when in the most read local newspaper there was a leading article pointing out that the main protesters against bussing were the Irish in Boston—that they were doing to blacks of Boston what they objected to being done by violent people on the Orange side to the Catholic minority in the North.

So as we express our condemnation of apartheid, as we support those who are working towards its disintegration, let us not cast stones about us or pretend that if we had the problems or the anxieties of the people of Africa we would act in a different way. We might well not. I return to what I said earlier that as we condemn we must also work towards a solution. We must encourage progress along the right lines. We must persuade the embattled white community—they are not embattled but they seem to be—that their relations, as they see us in Europe and in America, have some understanding of what worries them. They have seen so much violence in Africa, the latest exhibition of which has been in Zaire promoted by Russia and Cuba, that we must consider what we would do in that situation. We must understand both sides, but let us, as we suggest in the motion, condemn apartheid because it is wrong, it offends human dignity and can never be defended. Let us also try to work in all channels, not merely in the sophisticated diplomatic international sphere but elsewhere, to try to bring harmony to these people without regard to colour of skin, because we are all made in God's likeness.

: First of all I wish to express my support for the motion proposed by Deputy Ryan and to commend its acceptance to the House. As we know, apartheid is an evil system. It is wrong and it offends against human dignity and all the decent accepted standards of humanity. Though accepting the motion, I am glad to express on my own behalf and on behalf of the Government our abhorrence of apartheid and our hope that there will be effective action against it by the international community.

The proclamation by the General Assembly of the United Nations of the year beginning on 21 March 1978 as "International Anti-Apartheid Year" was intended as a way of helping to mobilise world public opinion on this whole dreadful question. Ireland voted for the resolution and it is appropriate that the Dáil, under the terms of the motion before the House, should express its solidarity with those engaged in promoting this effort.

In condemning the apartheid system as we do, it is necessary to be clear that our condemnation extends equally to abuses of human rights everywhere. However, there are particular aspects of the apartheid system in South Africa which make it both wrong and dangerous and which merit special condemnation and concern by the international community.

The apartheid system is wrong in the first place because it is built on racialism. As we know, racialism means discrimination between human beings on the basis of the colour of their skin and the fact that they are not of a particular race. That is a denial of their common humanity which we consider the basis for all human rights.

In South Africa racialism has been made the formal and explicit basis for a whole political system. The rights and the political and economic status of each individual in that society depend on his or her racial origin, on the colour of his or her skin. This is bad enough in itself but the system, as applied in South Africa, has been used to establish and maintain a position of dominance for a white minority of approximately five million people over a black and coloured majority of more than 20 million people.

In applying this system the South African Government claim to apply a policy of separate development. The theory is that eventually there will be a territorial separation of the black and white populations and the black population will be given independence in a series of homelands or Bantustans. However, the reality is that it is no more than a facade, a degradation by one race against another, the suppression of the majority by the minority. To say the least that is rather ironic.

The homelands comprise 13 per cent of the present territory of South Africa and the land is generally poor and lacking in resources. Deputy Ryan has outlined the case very clearly. He has given us the facts and figures of the ownership of the land by the white minority. He gave us a graphic and thorough description of the exclusiveness of the society as operated by the minority. The homelands are scattered throughout the country and often they are fragmented in such a way that they cannot be viable as independent countries. Yet, these homelands are put forward as a compulsory alternative to South African citizenship for black or coloured South Africans, many of whom have never seen the homelands to which they are supposed to belong. That is another incredible aspect of this historic horror story.

Theoretically this is a policy of separate development but in practice it becomes a justification for every kind of discrimination and abuse. Because black South Africans are seen in theory as entitled to citizenship rights in these artificial homelands, they are excluded from rights of all kinds in South Africa proper. There is a mass of laws covering all aspects of life in South Africa and they discriminate against the black African, the coloured and the Asian peoples. They ensure their continuing political and economic inferiority. The majority of the population of South Africa are condemned to degradation, despondency and to frightful conditions that are difficult to describe. Humiliation might be a better word to use in this context.

The idea that because a person's skin is black he is inferior to a white person does not make sense by Christian or any other standards. Least of all does it make sense by the standards of the people who practise the form of religion of most white South Africans. I think it is the religion of the Dutch Reformed Church which is based on the precepts of some form of perverted Christianity. It is an exclusive form of religion because it includes only those people with white skins. The unfortunate aspect of that type of Christianity is that those who embrace it extend it to their everyday life, economically, culturally and socially. The millions who practise this unusual form of Christianity use it to exclude those whose skin happens to be different. It is an unusual tragedy.

As Deputy Ryan said, South Africa in the first instance was populated by white people and subsequently the black people of the Continent moved to that part of the land. The white population were described as the first white African tribe and, as a result, they considered that this entitled them to rights over and above those who followed them. If the people who come after them are white they are in, but if they are black they are out. It is an appalling prospect.

It is clear from what I have said why we consider the situation in South Africa to be wrong and unjust. However, it has now become increasingly dangerous as well and this must clearly be a cause of great concern to the international community.

For many years the leaders of the majority black African population have tried to lead their people to seek their most basic rights by peaceful means but except for minor details the system has remained unchanged. Accordingly, each new generation must learn to accept a system which stunts their whole lives. It is little wonder in the face of this that many of the younger generation are unfortunately turning to more militant and more bitter tactics and that they are increasingly tending to look to other means of ending the permanent degradation and humility of their people. The result is a gradual growth of violence since this appears to be the only means of bringing about change within that crude, insensitive structure based on the principles of apartheid.

When I had the privilege of speaking on behalf of the Government at the World Conference for Action against Apartheid organised under the United Nations in Lagos late last year I tried to point out the grave dangers of a slide into violence in South Africa. I said on that occasion:

The opponents of apartheid within South Africa have shown great patience in the face of great provocation. When they have tried to reason and persuade they have been imprisoned or ignored. In the course of our history in Ireland we have also experienced oppression and the consequences of the failure to redress political grievances in time. When resort to the gun is seen as the only means of action against injustice this has incalculable and tragic consequences.

There are particular dangers to be seen at the moment. If what I called the slide into violence continues in South Africa and Southern Africa generally, there is in the first instance a danger of what in effect would be racial war with many neighbouring States of black Africa ranging against the intransigent white population of South Africa. There is a further danger, which will be evident, of outside intervention in such a situation.

As was pointed out during the course of this debate, this has now become a reality in some of the southern States of Africa with outside intervention from as far away as Cuba. It is an appalling prospect. We cannot ignore the fact that Russia has interests and also sees some future for herself in an African role.

I believe there is an increasing danger that if racial violence grows in South Africa there will be a tendency there to outside intervention and polarisation in East-West terms. This is one of the great dangers. This could be disastrous. It is very much in the interest of the international community as a whole and of the western powers in particular to see that this situation does not develop. It will not be enough to appeal to the black population in South Africa to continue to use peaceful means and to avoid violence in their efforts to promote change.

I believe that it is right, despite the provocation and difficulties which they face, to urge them not to turn to violence. It is an easy thing for me here in this House to make that appeal but one wonders if they would find my appeal acceptable in circumstances of the continuity of their oppression and suppression. We are urging them not to turn to violence. If we do this there is a corresponding duty on the international community to support and encourage them and to help as effectively as we can to bring pressure on the South African Government and the white South African population to change their present policies.

This will not be an easy task. The white South African population feel they are an embattled white minority in Southern Africa but that it is one which is long established in the territory. The tragedy is that they are descendants of a people who themselves fought for freedom and equality and proclaimed in 1847 in the Retief Manifesto that they were resolved wherever they went "to uphold the just principles of liberty". Unfortunately, they have in practice seen liberty as an exclusive prerogative of one race. In face of the very wrong and dangerous situation in South Africa and the stubborness and intransigence of the white minority it behoves all of us to show our concern and do everything we can to promote peaceful change and avert disaster.

In addition to speaking at Lagos last year on behalf of the Government at the world conference on apartheid, I also had the opportunity of speaking at the conference organised by the Irish anti-Apartheid Movement given in Dublin. It was a conference on churches, racism liberation in South Africa and took place in St. Anne's Parish Centre, Molesworth Place on 22 October last. On that occasion I congratulated the anti-apartheid movement for their untiring efforts to bring to the attention of the Irish people the fact that the injustices of the apartheid system affected not only the people of South Africa but all people concerned with the cause of peace and democracy. I also said:

Who can be served by refusing to listen to the voice of progress? The law which is meant to uphold freedom, liberties and rights of the individual which is increasing in South Africa is being used to suppress those very things. This, we are told, is done in the name of law and order. I am in no doubt that such actions will be unsuccessful. You cannot suppress the voice of reason or discontent by increasing repression.

This was my humble offering to that conference which I had the pleasure of addressing and opening on that occasion.

I believe that the international community, who understand the ways in which the oppressive character of the apartheid system provokes people to violence, should nevertheless continue to encourage the majority in South Africa to rely on peaceful means to bring about change. The international community have a corresponding obligation, as I have already stated, to mobilise public opinion around the world in support of those who seek change in South Africa so that the people in South Africa who are oppressed and are suppressed are seen not to stand alone. The international community must also do everything open to them to bring effective pressure on the South African Government for change, and countries like ourselves, who have a very important moral role on the international scene, diplomatic and otherwise, should also be prepared to contribute as far as they can to educational and other funds under the auspices of the United Nations and other bodies so that there will be opportunities open to black South Africans elsewhere, which they are at present denied in their own country.

I believe that Ireland is playing her part in all of those ways. In the effort to mobilise world public opinion and to show solidarity with the oppressed majority of South Africa, the International Anti-Apartheid Year, the proclamation of which the Irish Government supported in the United Nations, can be of particular help. The motion now before the House can also be an effective way of assuring the people who are at present living in conditions of degradation that they are not alone in their efforts to fight a system but can count on moral support elsewhere.

In efforts to bring effective pressure to bear in South Africa we have also played our part.

Last November the Security Council of the United Nations imposed a mandatory arms embargo against South Africa. They recognise at last that the build-up of arms in South Africa is a threat to international peace and security, a threat which was forcibly brought home recently by South Africa's invasion of Angola. Ireland has fully accepted, and strictly observed, the voluntary arms embargo since it was first imposed by the General Assembly some 15 years ago.

To return to the latest conference for action against apartheid, last autumn I myself called, on behalf of the Government, for a mandatory embargo. It was later imposed and we welcomed that imposition. That was a very important contribution made by the Government at that particular world conference in Africa. Some eyebrows were raised on the occasion because of the strength of the Irish call and the manner in which it was made, but subsequently the waverers, who may have had doubts, accepted the sincerity of the call and the morality of what we sought. We played a very important role in that conference designed to bring about a mandatory embargo and, for my part, I hope the international community will continue now to put pressure on South Africa and consider further measures. Black leaders there have frequently stressed that more sanctions make life more difficult for the very people those sanctions are designed to help, but that is a price they are prepared to pay willingly for international pressure and support.

Successive Irish Governments have always held that for international measures to be effective they must be mandatory and therefore imposed by the United Nations Security Council as otherwise they will achieve little and may even lead to widescale evasion. There are loopholes being used by certain nations which publicly proclaim, on the one hand, their wish and desire to support mandatory sanctions and, on the other hand, hypocritically evade them. We have joined with many countries in calling on the Security Council to consider imposing a ban on new investments in South Africa, and we will consider supporting other measures in the light of how successful they are likely to be and how seriously intentioned they are in their objective of ending the insidious and evil apartheid system as quickly and as peacefully as possible.

In the European Community, of which we are a member, Ireland proposes to use the weight of the community to bring effective pressure on South Africa to change its policy. So far the Nine have adopted a code of conduct which they have recommended to companies in their countries with branches and subsidiaries in South Africa. This code stresses in particular the encouragement of black trade unionism. It is an attempt to provide basic human rights which the apartheid system of its nature denies, such as equality of opportunity and equal pay for equal work. The Nine are at present considering other measures of a similar kind, and I can assure the House that Ireland will support any effective steps in this direction.

Ireland has also been contributing regularly to a number of United Nations funds designed to assist the victims of the racialist policies of the South African Government. These contributions are well known and I do not think the time of the house should be taken up in reiterating exactly what the contributions are.

While maintaining our efforts in the direction I have indicated I cannot hide the fact that there is unfortunately little room for optimism in face of the tragic situation inside South Africa. Year after year the world has condemned South Africa and yet the system remains strong and the hearts which perpetuate it seemingly remain unmoved. September last saw the murder of Steve Biko in prison. October witnessed further efforts at peaceful defence. Yet, in the general election which followed the National Party was re-elected with an unprecedented majority. It is as well to stress once more that, whilst 4,000,000 had the opportunity of voting, the prerequisite for membership of that exclusive electorate was the colour of one's skin because, out of a population of 25,000,000 to 26,000,000, 20,000,000 were excluded because they were black, or coloured, or suffered from what the whites there would call a "skin defect".

Hopes that a new, strong Government would use its position to bring in meaningful reforms have not been realised, and immediately after the election Mr. Vorster emphasised that there would be no far-reaching changes. The changes in some of the apartheid laws are welcome and should be encouraged, but I really think they are far too little and unfortunately far too late. Any changes which occur in the apartheid laws must be seen against the background of the Bantustan policy, the homeland policy, which is gradually but steadily being implemented and which is designed to negate any rights the black population have or may be given in South Africa as a whole. In an interview as recently as 14 May last Mr. Vorster reiterated that it is not the policy of his Government ever to allow blacks to vote in South African elections and that they can have political power only in their specially created homelands, homelands which a large majority, as I have already indicated, have never even seen. This is the perfidy, the insidiousness and hypocrisy of the system.

In face of this situation, difficult as it is at times to do so, it is necessary to continue to press as strongly as we can for peaceful change and show solidarity in every way we can with the vast majority in South Africa. I believe the present motion offers the House a suitable opportunity of doing this, and once more I commend it to the Dáil for adoption. I believe it should have the support not only of all parties here but also of the great majority of the Irish people. It is a fitting way of showing our support and encouragement for international anti-apartheid year. I am very glad to have had this opportunity of expressing as strongly as is possible the Government's opposition to apartheid and their support for those who would seek to change the system peacefully, and I am grateful to the House for giving me this opportunity.

: In supporting this motion I believe it is as yet impossible to estimate the extent of worldwide repercussions to the evergrowing conflict in southern Africa. We have seen the Russian, Cuban and American forces slowly but surely being drawn into this African revolution, and it seems to me we will yet unfortunately witness in the not-too-distant future a new Vietnam in southern Africa, but I believe the extent of that war would prove to be even worse. We have a situation where the quite fanatical—and that is the only word one can use—leadership of the white minorities in these countries is still backed by powerful western economic forces.

There is no way they can turn back the tide of African history. I do not believe they will succeed in reversing the advancing African revolution, just as previous generations did not succeed. We read about the American revolution, the French revolution, the Russian revolution. In our own lifetime, our own generation will witness the beginning of the African revolution. I am not a pessimist by nature and I would not wish to predict any gloom or doom in the future evolution of Southern Africa. It is the considered opinion of many observers that that revolution will probably end in the rather bloody defeat of the armies of that 10 per cent minority overall who would proclaim racial dictatorship over the massive African majority. I do not wish to paint a scenario as grim as that, but I see little prospect of the Vorster regime changing their policy at this stage.

This House will have to appreciate that the current white domination, in the short run, or in the long run—and the short run seems to be getting quite short—will end in political insurrection probably based on racial war. I view with some cynicism the criticism of Mr. Brzezinski, President Carter's national security adviser, who waxed eloquent against Soviet and Cuban military activity in Africa. The reality is that they are there because successive American Administrations and multi-national corporations—the mining interests alone—have profited enormously from the exploitation of the African peoples. In those circumstances, is one to suggest that the African peoples are likely to turn to them? They are fighting a war of national liberation, as they regard it, and if the Americans, or the Cubans, or the Soviet Union, were to provide weapons and, for that matter, if China were willing to get in on the action and supply weapons, they would be willing to accept them. They have not got much prospect of getting much support from the Americans. The other world powers now want a slice of the action in terms of future political influence on that Continent. When real power and influence on the situation in Southern Africa were needed, there was not any great American impact. Perhaps there is a desire to have one now.

In this International Anti-Apartheid Year we should place on record that Dáil Éireann recognises that the apartheid system in South Africa is a unique system, an evil system of racial rule which denies to the vast majority of the population of southern Africa basic human, legal and national rights based, as it is, on economic exploitation and the institution of terror and violence against the black population. I further suggest Dáil Éireann should affirm its support for the UN Convention on the crime of apartheid which very clearly described apartheid as a crime against humanity and condemned the Pretoria regime's persistent aggression against their own population and the neighbouring states of Southern Africa which constitutes—and the UN Resolution was quite specific about this—a grave threat to international peace and security.

We have to be more specific. We have to condemn the role of those States and multi-national companies which collaborate with South Africa both in the nuclear field and in military and economic fields, thus strengthening apartheid. It is not enough to talk about disarmament out of one side of one's mouth if one belongs to a western European nation and turn a blind eye when some military exporting individual in one's own country flogs arms directly to the Southern African governments by whatever circuitous route they evolve to sell those arms. That kind of hypocrisy does not impress and never impressed those brave people in South Africa, in Namibia, and in Zimbabwe in their struggle against oppression.

We should place on record in this House our support for the general work of the Irish Anti-Apartheid Movement. My own interest arose over the years from my contact with two people in particular who came here some 15 years ago, Kader and Louise Asmal. Their work has been quite outstanding for the Irish Anti-Apartheid Movement and their adopted country.

: Hear, hear.

: We should also urge the Government to implement the programme of action against apartheid in a number of ways. We have to sever political, cultural, commercial and consular links and sporting relations with the organisations of the South African regime. For example, there is the proposal that South Africa should participate in the forthcoming world tug-o'-war competition. We have to oppose this. We have to ensure that no public funds are spent on a competition involving a team which would in no way represent the population of that country. We had it close to home in recent months when we had the cancellation, which I welcomed, of the world golf cup competition in Waterville in County Kerry.

It has been recognised in almost every sphere of international sport that teams of that nature from South Africa in no way represent the sporting population of that country. This is recognised by the international Olympics committee and every other organisation in the major world sports. I am glad that competition was cancelled. We lost from the point of view of tourism and we lost income, but that is the price we must pay if we do not want to be contaminated by such a function which gives credence to the system.

We should call on the Government to increase economic support to the neighbouring African countries. They carry a very heavy burden because of their proximity to the apartheid regime. Our Irish programme of development aid to those countries is most welcome. It has a growing effectiveness. I commend the work of the Department of Foreign Affairs over the last three years in that regard. It was excellent. The allocation of money and development aid within the budget has been growing. I would be appalled if there was any cutback in public expenditure in that area. That kind of programme, not solely in the financial sense, is of great benefit.

The big number of Irish people who go to Africa—I have met quite a number of them—return with a thorough knowledge of the situation there and make a distinctive contribution. We should also call on the Government to give material and moral support to the oppressed people of South Africa in their struggle for political and economic freedom. In doing that we should be careful at home about our domestic promotional work. It has happened that companies have come here seeking capital grants and mineral exploration licences, and many of them have massive subsidiaries in southern Africa. If we told them that their investment accumulated with the blood of African miners on their hands which is something that we do not want we would be better off. We should tell them that we do not wish to be contaminated. I accept that it is not easy to turn down an industry in any constituency, but industries from such companies should be rejected in the national interest.

There is also a great need to inform Irish public opinion, particularly our young people, about the evils of racism. It is difficult for the many thousands of Irish people who never got an opportunity of travelling abroad to see the impact of racism to know what the situation is like. By and large they live in a country which for all our sectarianism does not have a particular brand of apartheid—racism, which is condemned in this resolution —but it is true to say that there is a percentage of people living here who are racist. The extent of that percentage we cannot guess, but we must be honest about this. There are people here who are anti-black and who are quite positive, bigoted and prejudiced in their view in favour of what they would call white supremacy. I have met constituents who hold such views. They do not hide them.

Deputy Richie Ryan referred to the prejudiced attitudes of the Irish in Boston on the issue of school buses, but the question should also be asked: to what extent would the people of Dublin prove that different in their reaction to a similar issue? We are not all virgin purity when it comes to our attitudes in terms of race. Those who read Father McGrail's recent book on that subject here would see the relevance of my point. I am not under any illusion about how virulent the infection of apartheid and racism can become. For example, we have seen a support for one particular brand of racism—a very subtle kind— in the policy enunciated by the leader of the British Conservative Party. In my view she has a brand of racism. We also see and abhor the role of the National Front in the United Kingdom.

We must ensure by our actions at all levels that the cancer is exposed and eradicated in our society. I favour a multi-racial society in southern Africa based on majority rule. I do not advocate a violent solution, but I do not presume to advise the population of southern Africa that it should not resort to a violent solution. In that context I differ somewhat from the Minister of State. I do not believe in dictating to the majority of people in southern Africa as to how they should bring about the end of that blot on humanity. In their own way they will choose their own method. That will be their privilege as it was the privilege of the Irish people. We cannot tell them what they can do or that they should be nice boys and the West will keep things ticking over smoothly while it is all happening. The older one gets the more relevance that approach has in life. The issue is not just one of racism. It is one of economic, social and political independence of the majority of the people of southern Africa. Above all, it is the establishment of self-government in those territories by the majority of people of those countries. For those reasons we are glad that the House has been given an opportunity of debating this motion.

It is encouraging that there is all-Party support for the motion. I have no doubt that the record of the debate will be read elsewhere. To the extent that we exert some influence on the national scene and to the extent that we endeavour to bring to our own people an understanding of the situation it is a privilege to be given an opportunity of participating in the debate.

Debate adjourned.
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