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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 15 Mar 1979

Vol. 312 No. 10

Adjournment Debate. - Farm Retirement Scheme.

I am raising this matter because it is of concern to many people who, in good faith and on the urging of all the official agencies, including the Minister of the day, entered into the farm retirement scheme. Under this scheme, farmers who had less than 45 acres and who wished to give up farming were able to dispose of their land by selling or letting provided it was to an eligible person such as a development farmer. Although they did not get the full market value of their land, they were allowed to keep the sale price and were paid an annuity for the rest of their lives. In view of the fact that they could only dispose of the land to a limited category of people, in most cases they disposed of it to the Land Commission.

The impression was given that this annuity would keep up with the cost of living and with the requirements these people would have to meet in terms of expenditure. I put down a number of questions about this and I received the following information. Since this scheme was introduced in May 1974 the rates of annuity have increased by only 66 per cent. At the same time, the rates of old age pension, payable to other people in the same age category, have increased by between 86 and 89 per cent. If one includes the increase in the current budget the rates have increased almost 100 per cent. The people who entered into the farm retirement scheme, thereby ensuring that land would be available to younger farmers who needed it, did so with a clear understanding from the Government that their pensions would keep in line with other pensions. The Government are breaking faith with these people if they do not do so. I have demonstrated that the pensions for people under the retirement scheme have fallen 40 per cent behind pensions given to old age pensioners. Everybody knows how inadequate the ordinary old age pension is. How much more so must the pension of people under this scheme be.

I will give figures which will indicate how miserable the increase of 66 per cent is in the annuities since May 1974. In the same period, that is, up to June 1978, industrial earnings went up by 135 per cent, which is more than twice as much as the annuities these people are getting. The industrial earnings went up because people had to meet increased costs. Those under the retirement scheme had to meet exactly the same costs, yet they got an increase of only 66 per cent. The annuity which is paid to these people is £996 a year for a married couple. How could anyone live on that sum in this day and age? If the annuity which started off at £600 had kept pace with industrial earnings it would now be £1,410 a year for a married couple.

The Minister of State at the Department of Agriculture in reply to a question which I asked on 7 March stated at column 916 of the Official Report:

I agree it is necessary to increase the annuities and an undertaking has been given by the government that they will be increased in line with the Consumer Price Index. This had been accepted by the previous Government and that undertaking has been honoured by the present Government.

To date, that undertaking has not been honoured by the Government. The Consumer Price Index up to November 1978, the latest date for which I have figures, increased by 83 per cent whereas the pensions to people under the farm retirement scheme have increased by only 66 per cent. If the annuity had kept pace with the cost of living it would be at least £1,098 a year. The Government increased it by only half as much as the average industrial earnings.

These people are being treated very unfairly. Successive Governments miserliness in relation to this scheme is seen by the number of people applying for it. In 1974 1,055 people applied. At that time it was presented as an attractive scheme. In 1975 the figure had dropped to 392. By 1977 it had dropped to 106 and last year only 82 people applied. People are being turned off this scheme. They are not interested in it, and why should they be if the annuity is not only increasing by less than half as much as industrial earnings but is even less than the cost of living despite the Government's undertaking that it would be kept in line? When I asked the Minister of State for an undertaking that a realistic increase would be given, he said that the scheme as a whole was being reviewed by the EEC and suggested, by implication, that it would not be possible for the Government to increase the annuities without the approval of the EEC. Otherwise, there would be no point in making a reference to the EEC review.

The Government are free to increase the annuities by as much as they wish; they do not need EEC permission. The fact that a review of the scheme is taking place at EEC level, in so far as the Government's freedom to improve rates of annuity is concerned, is irrelevant. There was no reason for the Minister of State to refer to the review because it does not affect the Government's freedom to grant an increase in line with other increases in incomes or in line with the cost of living.

In seeking to hide behind the review that is taking place in Brussels the Government were hiding behind something that had nothing to do with increases in annuities. I hope the Minister will give a definite answer about the rate that will apply to the annuities this year. I hope an increase is given to keep those annuities in line with other incomes in the community. If it is just to give an industrial worker an increase of 135 per cent since 1974 then it is just to give an equivalent increase to those involved in this scheme.

Increases in the voluntary retirement scheme should be announced by the Minister for Finance annually in his budget and take effect as a budgetary matter. I cannot see any reason why increases in old age pensions should take place in a budget—such increases were in the region of 100 per cent since May 1974—and increases in annuities are ignored. The increases in annuities since 1974 has been 66 per cent. It appears that it is left to the Minister for Agriculture, who, presumably, cannot get money to grant such an improvement, to grant an increase this year. It should be remembered that the people involved are old and are not able to look after themselves adequately but they deserve the best from the community because they have voluntarily given up their land to have it developed for agricultural purposes. They should be getting a reasonable income and any Government which fails to do that is failing in their duty. Apart from that general case the Government should ensure, as a matter of policy, that the allowances are reviewed annually in the budget and not left to be dealt with when it suits the Minister for Agriculture.

I do not think there is any serious dispute on the general question of the effectiveness of the retirement scheme. We would all like to see it working better and I expect that there will be further discussions on the subject of improving Directive 160 at the forthcoming price review. It is necessary to get improvements in order to procure greater mobility of land on a voluntary basis, especially in the case of smaller holdings. Regard should be had at all times for the exercise by the farmer of a free choice in this matter. When one discusses land mobility and the ease with which land might be acquired and disposed of normally one hears people speaking about it who do not have any knowledge of farming or of the attachment of such people to the land, regardless of their economic circumstances and the likelihood that they will tend to hold on to their land even if it means a drop in their incomes.

The scheme has not been effective. It has been in operation since May 1974, having been introduced by the Coalition Government. There was a commitment then to take account of the consumer price index, exclusive of tax increases, when changing the annuity. We were surprised that in 1975 there was no increase and that in 1976, when there was a 36 per cent increase in the consumer price index, there was a 33 per cent increase for married and single people. The following year, when there was a 17 per cent increase in the CPI, there was an increase of 14 per cent in the case of single beneficiaries and of 15 per cent in the case of married people. That fell short of the percentage increase in the CPI. In 1978 there was an 8 per cent increase in the CPI, a 9 per cent increase in the payment to single people and an 8 per cent increase to married people.

I am not saying that in order to crow because there is nothing to crow about, but I want to highlight the failure of our predecessors to line up to their commitment to keep pace with the CPI, exclusive of tax. It is our commitment to keep pace, with tax increases included. We are doing a great deal better than our predecessors with a scheme which is in many ways inadequate. Deputy Bruton said that what is decided by the Council of Agriculture Ministers in relation to improvements in the scheme was not relevant but my view is that it is. It is important for the Government to relate their actions closely to the current situation and the situation that may arise in the foreseeable future in the scheme. I have always expressed the view at Council meetings that this scheme, which has palpably fallen short of its aspirations, should be strengthened if possible. In our context it is not easy for any Government, or Department, to be as flaithiúilach as an Opposition. Opposition speakers always want large increases for industrial workers, for those in the public service and social welfare recipients but, at the same time, want dramatic reductions in taxes. They should know from their experience in Government that that is not possible. They should know also that it is like the policeman's lot, the unhappy lot of Government in office whoever they may be——

We have not been caught for increases in industrial earnings.

——to distribute the available funds as fairly as can be and to meet the requirements of the different Departments as fairly as they can be met. Why is it particularly under the Department of Agriculture? Because it is an agricultural scheme operated by FEOGA. That is why it is a scheme related to agricultural structures. There is no other Department to which it would be proper.

Social Welfare pensions were increased in the budget and they are under the Department of Social Welfare.

Social Welfare pensions, with due respect to the Deputy, are a different matter. They are paid to some people who might be in the general care of the Department of Health or the Department of Social Welfare and are dealing with a different thing—a human condition. The farm retirement scheme is dealing with people, yes, the owners of the land, but also with the land itself. It is worth remembering that the recipients of these annuities also have what they are perfectly entitled to get, the cash value of their holdings; that is, as an addition to it.

If they sold in 1974 there is not much left now.

It is as well to look at all the picture, even bits one may not wish to see and this is one of the bits. The economic security of a retiring couple is strengthened considerably by the value of the land with which they have just parted under the farm retirement scheme.

I agree with Deputy Bruton. I should like to see improvements in this scheme. Every Deputy, regardless of his party, would like to see payments made to people of this kind and being as beneficial to them as possible without injuring the wellbeing of others. I am not so sure that we cannot do a great deal better. Actually at present the allowances that were changed last year are under review and will be changed again. In the last few years they were changed on 1 May. I would anticipate that there will be changes made on that date again, taking into account the consumer price index and the taxes as well which were ignored up to 1977.

The order was not made until 8 August last year.

The order was made on 8 August 1978. I hope the people will not have to wait until August 1979 to get this.

I am told that, while that may well be so, it was effective on 1 May, as I have said. I would expect that it would be effective on 1 May in the current year as well.

I have not anything more to say on the matter.

The Dáil adjourned at 5.30 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 21 March 1979.

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