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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 29 May 1979

Vol. 314 No. 10

Private Members' Business. - Confidence in Government: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann gravely concerned about the serious economic mismanagement of the country by the Government declares that this House and the people of Ireland have no confidence in the Government.

I see an amendment by a member of the Government seeking to delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and to substitute "expresses satisfaction at the Government's management of the economy". We decided to table this motion in order to give parliamentary expression to the will, as we have found it, of the Irish people. One of the things the local and European election campaign have clearly demonstrated is that a majority of our people have no confidence in the competence or the willingness of the Government to handle our economy and many other aspects of our national life. Indeed, I can say honestly that in my 19 years in public life I have not met in election canvassing such a feeling not only of anger and frustration against a Government but worse, and more serious, a feeling approaching despair among large sections of our people.

They are in despair mainly because they realise that because they gave Fianna Fáil a majority of 20 in the Dáil in 1977, under our democratic procedures, though they can and will register their feelings forcefully on 7 June in the European and local elections, they will not have an opportunity to remove this Government from office in the next two and a half to three years. Any Member of the House who has been canvassing could not but realise that that would be the wish today of the majority of the electors.

I know that this motion of no confidence, because of the 20-seat majority Fianna Fáil have, probably will not be passed here tomorrow night. It is somewhat regrettable that the new-found selective exercise of conscience within Fianna Fáil in relation to voting will not find expression here tomorrow night. Although every Deputy on that side of the House, as on this side, knows in his heart of hearts that this Government have mismanaged seriously our national affairs, they will not give expression to that feeling by voting for this motion.

In regard to this motion which expresses no confidence in the Government's ability to handle our economy, there is an obligation on a Deputy moving such a motion to justify that. I intend to do so by covering five areas that are directly related to the economy. They are employment, economic growth, inflation, our taxation code and industrial relations. I will prove, not by my figures but by the Government's own figures or by impartial figures that are published on behalf of the State, that in each of those areas not only has no progress been made by the present Government over the last two years but in each and every one of those areas the situation has deteriorated seriously and the Government have undermined seriously our people's faith in parliamentary democracy. They have done so not particularly because of their gross incompetence but because of their gross incompetence combined with their gross dishonesty. That is fully apparent to our people at this stage.

If we take the area of employment and compare the situation that Fianna Fáil inherited from the previous Government in June 1977, we will find that on that date the number of registered unemployed in this country was 108,000 and approximately 5,000 to 6,000 people were emigrating at that time. It is proper that I say that. The last published figure for people registered as unemployed was 103,000 and the most conservative estimate of emigration is 11,000 although I believe that it is far in excess of that. Therefore, if you add the 108,000 to the 6,000 who are emigrating at that time, that is 114,000 people who could not find employment in their own country. If we add 103,000 to the 11,000 conservative figure for emigration we find that, despite all the propaganda from the various Ministers over the last two years, the situation has not improved one iota as far as employment is concerned.

It is only fair to say that in 1973-1974 the previous Government had to face one of the most severe recessions known to the western world since the 1930s. During that recession, which was world-wide and which was felt and felt badly by much stronger economies than our own, unemployment figures went up to 120,000 and inflation went to 20 per cent plus. It is also fair and objective to say that the budget of 1977 which was introduced by the previous administration had taken effective measures to stimulate growth in our economy, to try to introduce some element of social justice into our national life and to deal with the question of inflation. In their first year in office the present Government enjoyed many of the beneficial effects of that 1977 budget. Fianna Fáil came to office on a wave of glittering promises that bore no relationship to the real economic and social problems facing this country. The previous administration knew when the election would be and they could, had they so wished, have matched those promises and implemented policies that would have made the results of that election far more favourable for them.

However, there is this fundamental difference which the Irish people must realise, that if Fianna Fáil are left with two choices, political expediency for their own party and Irish national interests, Fianna Fáil's political advantage and expediency will win every time. It won the last election for them, but the cost of winning that election to Irish national interests, to Irish men, women and children is now being seen throughout this land. Their reliance on the private sector has failed and to some extent they have admitted that it has failed by agreeing in one of the provisions of the national understanding that they would set up what they described as a public enterprise agency. That, of course, is another name for a State development corporation. For political reasons they did not choose to give it the same name. I also doubt whether they will give it the same criteria as we would or whether it would have the same terms of reference that we had in mind in setting-up a State development corporation, but it was, nonetheless, a clear and open admission that their reliance on the private sector to provide employment had failed.

Also, by disbanding the youth employment agency they acknowledged publicly that by their approach this Government had not provided and could not provide employment for our youth. The result is as I have already said as far as employment in this country is concerned. There is not one person less registered as unemployed either for benefit or assistance, and when you take into consideration the number who have lost all hope of obtaining employment in this country under this Government and have left the country, it is clear that as far as employment is concerned, the Government have failed.

Another great hope for our economic advance was economic growth. We had to sit here week after week, month after month, listening to Fianna Fáil's spokesmen, and particularly the Minister for Economic Planning and Development, Deputy O'Donoghue, telling us about economic growth and how it would be achieved. That, of course, would be linked with inflation in this year not exceeding 5 per cent and the trade unions, would naturally, have to accept no more than 5 per cent of an increase in any agreement that was reached on that front.

Let us look at the record of economic growth after the lectures, both in the manifesto and since the manifesto, that we have had from the Fianna Fáil Party. Economic growth in 1977 was 5 per cent. That 5 per cent was achieved coming out of what I have already described as one of the worst recessions the world has known, and it was achieved by virtue of the budget of 1977. If we go to the year 1978 and the Fianna Fáil budget, which did pump money into our economy, which did stimulate growth somewhat, though not wisely, we get a figure at the end of that year of 5½ per cent growth. If we consider the present year it is predicted almost unanimously by the Central Bank, the OECD and other impartial observers on economies in general, that the most we can expect or hope for is a growth rate of somewhere between 3 per cent and 4 per cent. Therefore their performance in that area has almost halved what was being achieved when they assumed office in 1977. That is another proven example of the so-called progress and their incompetence as far as the running of our economy is concerned. As far as Fianna Fáil are concerned economic growth is an end in itself.

Let us suppose even for a moment that the flights of fancy of the Minister for Economic Planning and Development, the Taoiseach, the Minister for Finance and other Ministers of a 7 per cent growth were true, what would that mean to the majority of our people? For instance, what would it mean to the majority of our people seeking employment? What would it mean to social welfare recipients who are lower paid because the Government have stated openly and unshamedly that as far as social development is concerned that must wait? Therefore, economic growth and talking in terms of percentages of economic growth have very little relevance to the vast majority of our people and bear no relationship at all to the misery being experienced by tens of thousands of our citizens. It is time Fianna Fáil woke up to one simple fact about Irish life: the poor cannot wait; over 20 per cent of them are below the poverty line and that percentage under this Government is rapidly increasing.

If there is any possibility of getting a consensus for progress within this country it can be got only on the basis that economic and social development go hand in hand and that one is but a means of achieving the other. That is not the philosophy of Fianna Fáil. They have actively pursued policies benefiting a small, privileged, rich section of our community. They have used the tax code to do so. They have used the building industry to do so. They have used every mechanism at their disposal to pay back the people who financed their success in 1977. I have met many people over the last few weeks who have told me that they voted for Fianna Fáil in June 1977 and also that never have they regretted such an action so much. They were only too eager to be given an opportunity to rectify what they considered to be a grave mistake. They cannot do so on this occasion but at least we in this party will air their sense of grievance, of anger, of frustration, in this House, using this motion as the appropriate vehicle.

Our economic growth as predicted is a failure also. I might add that the 3 per cent to 4 per cent growth rate, which is the maximum predicted by the Central Bank, the OECD and others, does not take into consideration the disastrous effects of the postal strike which has been allowed by this Government to continue for 14 weeks. The damage that is doing to our economy, our social life, our international image is apparently of no concern to this Government. In my opinion they have picked the Post Office workers to beat them into submission in order to try to frighten off anybody else in the public sector from submitting any claim. I know Post Office workers; I have had a long association with them; they have never had a national strike before. They are one of the most responsible bodies of people one could meet. I say to the Government and the Minister that if they are planning to beat these people into the ground, to starve them, their wives and children into submission as an example to other trade unionists, they are backing the wrong horse. I have met them and they will not be crushed. They will be reasonable, as they have proved. They have gone on national television and said they were prepared to compromise. I say, for decency sake, for Ireland's sake, at least let the Minister meet the people whom he employs, no more. That gesture alone could be sufficient to bring about a settlement of this strike. I say to the Minister: for God's sake do so because the damage this strike is inflicting on our economy will not be realised until some time in the future. If this strike is allowed to continue any longer, or indeed even at this point in time, the forecasted growth figure of 3 per cent to 4 per cent will prove to have been a very optimistic figure indeed.

The other area I should like to deal with is that of prices. We heard a lot about prices from Fianna Fáil in their manifesto and again from the Minister for Economic Planning and Development. We sat here and had lectures on economics from him week after week. In fact he was like a child who had been given catalogues of very expensive, delicate toys. It was as if he had read all the catalogues, never for one moment imagining that he would ever own one of them. Suddenly, bang, there was one right into his lap but all he knew about it is what he had read in the catalogue. He knows the theory. He will stand up here evening after evening lecturing us all —Members of the House, the press gallery and those people in the public gallery—on the theory. God bless us, did ever a man know so little about practice? Did ever a country pay such a price for a bit of personal patronage by the Taoiseach in appointing a man with so little experience?

Let us look at the question of prices. The official figure published for inflation in the period May 1977 to May 1978 was of an increase of 6 per cent. That was what the present Government inherited; that was another achievement of the 1977 budget. What is the figure today? Today prices have risen by somewhere between 13 per cent and 15 per cent. That is not taking into consideration some figures being held in abeyance. As far as the increase in the price of oil is concerned, at the maximum, it would account for 2 per cent of that increase. Again the Central Bank—not recognised as a radical body, or as one that makes wild, unsubstantiated statements—said that over half of the inflation increase was due to food price increases. That, to a large extent, is due to the removal of the food subsidies. Increases in the price of foods do not affect me a lot. If the price of food is increased by a few pence my children will not go hungry. They will still get the same amount of milk, bread and the same dinner, but there are a lot of children who will be hungry.

I would like to read what the achievement of the Government has been in the area of prices. Between May 1977 and May 1978 food prices increased by 6 per cent. That is the official figure and it now stands at between 13 per cent to 15 per cent. This will go up because we still have applications from the ESB for very substantial increases and it has been announced, but not confirmed by the Government until after the election, that there will be CIE increases. We have had an increase of 11p on petrol and a clear indication by the Minister that there will be a further increase which will go right through the economy.

The 2 per cent farm levy which will probably be passed on to the meat trade will involve an increase of 10 per cent in the price of meat. Before that silly act, meat was a luxury for many families who were very fortunate if they could have meat once a week. The Government are taking on the butchers instead of the farmers because they think they are easier political pickings. This will result in the families who can afford meat once a week having to do without it on that occasion.

I would like to read some of the increases which the Government's brilliant strategy, outlined in their manifesto, has resulted in. Bread has gone up 7p a loaf, an increase of 31 per cent; butter by 16p, an increase of 30 per cent; cheese, 22p a pound, a 28 per cent increase; beef, before the levy, 27½p a pound, an increase of 29 per cent; lamb by 42½p a pound, an increase of 48 per cent; potatoes 42½p a stone, an increase of 39 per cent; and milk 3½p a pint, an increase of 44 per cent. There are many items on that list which are the only things some members of our Christian society can look forward to day after day, week after week. Many of those people can only look forward to bread, butter, potatoes and milk.

As far as increases in food are concerned, it has been clearly established that as far as social welfare recipients, old age pensioners, deserted wives, widows, the lower paid and people with large families, are concerned food constitutes 40 per cent of their total available expenditure.

I have already referred to the postal strike. Let us look at the Government's achievement on strikes and compare it with promises. One of the things the Government singled out in their manifesto was the Post Office and telecommunications. One is reasonably entitled to assume that they knew there were long-standing problems there under successive Governments and that this area needed quick, delicate and skillful handling. What is the record of the Government in regard to strikes in general?

In 1977 the number of man-days lost on strikes was 459,000, in 1978 it was 450,000 and in 1979, up to the end of May, five months through the year, the figure is 400,000. The vast majority of the man-hours lost in that period is in the public sector. The Government's employees make up the vast majority of that figure. If the performance of the Government in industrial relations had not had such serious consequences for many people, it would be laughable.

We have only to compare the performance of the Minister for Labour when he was on those benches, who not only had a solution for all the current industrial problems but was able to anticipate problems and solve them. Has there ever in any Government been such a failure? His first contribution since he assumed office was to say that he could not and would not intervene in strikes. That was the general principle he adopted when he assumed office. His second emergence from the bunker he has gone into over the last few months, when he broke his vow of political silence, was to make some vague threat of legislation against the trade union movement. He is silly enough and the Government are silly enough to try legislation in an area where one cannot successfully legislate. This is an area, however, where agreement is possible, if it is clearly demonstrated that there is a concern for social justice at the top, if there is a willingness to have equity in our society, if there is political will within the Government, to use the many instruments available to them to create social justice and equity in our society. But they are not there. I believe that in their absence, agreement will be very difficult to obtain.

Fianna Fáil in their manifesto sowed the seeds at the highest level of greed, self-interest and sectional interest, and they are now stumbling from one crisis to another from the effects of the seed they sowed.

I would like to speak about the tax code. When the Government came into office in June 1977 they had a tax code in which some start had been made to try to restructure it to ensure that all sections would be brought within its net and would contribute according to their ability. The foundation was there. I am not saying that farmer taxation, tax paid by the unemployed and other sections of the community, or even the taxation code, were perfect, because major restructuring was needed, but a start had been made. Fianna Fáil had been in office for 16 years and had not made a start. The last administration made a start. Fine Gael lost a number of seats because they had the courage and the sense of moral responsibility towards the nation as a whole to introduce farmer taxation. That cost them dearly in terms of seats but it did not cost them what it is costing Fianna Fáil in terms of credibility and political integrity. Fianna Fáil have neither. Fianna Fáil inherited a wealth tax, farmer taxation and capital gains tax. Almost immediately they came into office they abolished the wealth tax, changed the capital gains tax to make it 70 per cent ineffective, and the 2 per cent levy on farmers exposed their thinking as far as social justice was concerned. There was not the slightest element or consideration of social justice in that 2 per cent levy and this party opposed it for that reason. We believe in social justice. We are not and will not be selective about its implementation or its application. A farmer's income and his ability to pay the 2 per cent levy was not taken into consideration. It was a means of getting money from the farming community. If some of these farmers were in the PAYE sector they would not be liable for income tax because their incomes would not be high enough.

The Minister for Finance showed determination as far as the budget, the 2 per cent levy and the farmers were concerned. Even at this moment we do not know precisely if we have the budget that was introduced. There is still the possibility of further negotiations on many aspects of that budget. The Minister for Finance showed the sense of purpose, determination, decision and decisiveness of a well-heeled client in a Paris hat shop as far as the PAYE taxpayer was concerned. His answer to these people was to increase their contribution to the Exchequer by over £200 million and he gave them back £26 million in the budget, and offered an additional sum as one of the terms of acceptance of the national understanding.

How many man-hours are being lost by people queuing for petrol? It is not unusual now to see a queue for petrol of half-a-mile or a quarter of a mile, often starting at 11 o'clock the night before. We accept that there are outside factors but for six weeks the Government were told by Deputies on these benches that there was an oil crisis. We asked them to do something about it, to tell the people what the situation was. What answer did we get? We were told day after day that there was not a crisis, that there were no difficulties and no problems. We certainly have a problem now. When the Government suddenly realised that what we had been telling them over the last six weeks was true what was the response of the Minister for Industry, Commerce and Energy? He called in the oil companies and started to lay down the law in an abrasive way.

The Deputy's time is up.

As far as the multinational oil companies are concerned, I do not believe a small country like Ireland can stand against them alone. We need international co-operation and a concerted policy. The Minister tried thumping the table with Ferenka and cost us 1,400 jobs.

The Deputy has gone over his time. I must call the Minister to move his amendment.

I moved this motion for the following reasons and I ask any Fianna Fáil Deputy if they are true or untrue and ask him to prove it by the way he votes tomorrow night——

The Deputy's time is up. I must call the Minister.

We have no post, no oil, no petrol, no refuse collection, no buses, trains are being cancelled——

The Deputy is now two minutes over his time. I am sorry, I am calling the Minister.

There is a free-for-all. There are grounds for cutting in half——

I am calling the Minister.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute the following:

"expresses its satisfaction at the Government's management of the economy".

I move this amendment which expresses the satisfaction of this House in the Government's management of the economy. Managing the economy is not a matter of making speeches to the electorate one week before the European and local elections. It is a serious business ensuring that there is a regular increase in jobs, a regular expansion of the economy in terms of economic growth and a curtailment of inflation. All these objectives should be achieved within the context of a democratic society, and seeking to achieve a consensus towards these objectives. If they are not achieved, although the Government are managing the situation well, the fault may lie within the democratic system and in failure to get people moving as effectively as possible.

The President of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions, Mr Harold O'Sullivan, and the other members of congress who participated with the Government in a partnership to seek an end to the Post Office strike, would disagree with Deputy Cluskey's view that the Government alone could have settled this matter, which had far wider ramifications in regard to grades and salary levels in the public service than Deputy Cluskey in his simplistic way indicated. At all stages during this unfortunately long drawn out dispute the Government worked in complete partnership with the Irish Congress of Trade Unions and the leaders of that body. It is only through such partnership that one can expect to make progress. We do not live in an arbritary society; we are not in a socialist republic——

We certainly are not.

——and we cannot dictate to people in this respect. When managing the economy in a democratic society, it is essential to ensure that, by patient striving towards an understanding of what the Government are about eventually a consensus can be reached on what the aims and objectives are in respect of the improvement of our society. It is precisely that thinking which motivated the Government and the leaders of the trade union movement to get together in the formulation of the national understanding. The democratic choice on the part of the trade union movement as a whole was to reject that understanding, for differing reasons in the case of most of the unions. In a democracy this must be accepted. We must seek to take up one of the several options which are open to us and get some reasonable degree of orderly progress in the field of wage increases.

Within the context of the undoubted difficulties that exist in the whole area of industrial relations there are positive achievements on the basic social and economic indicators that count in assessing the progress that has been made. I take Deputy Cluskey on his own criteria in this respect. On the criterion of employment there is no question but that we have achieved a situation where last year we had an all-time high in the creation of 30,000 new jobs. The latest indication from the IDA is that a further 30,000 new jobs will be created in the current year. As far as the private sector, derided by Deputy Cluskey, is concerned it is making a massive contribution towards the provision of jobs. Were it not for the provision of 30,000 new jobs in 1978 and the further provision of 30,000 new jobs this year one could really be talking about a serious situation in regard to the economy. That figure is double the figure in the last two years of Coalition Government. We have swung the economy around in regard to job creation. To indicate the difference in approach between our total commitment towards job creation and the haphazard attitude of the Coalition Government I give a figure which shows an average loss of 4,500 jobs per year in the period 1973 to 1977. Apart from the creation of 30,000 new jobs last year there was a net job gain between new jobs and redundancies of 17,000 jobs. We had a net increase of 17,000 jobs and the creation of 30,000 jobs in 1978 compared to a situation in which year in year out from 1973 to 1977 there was an average job loss of 4,500 each year. That is the kind of figure that counts. If we have no more accurate figures on matters such as the mobility of labour, the increase of young people on the labour market and emigration it is because the Coalition Government refused to take a national census for the first time since the formation of this State, an act of gross treachery as far as any real development or planning for development in our economy was concerned. If the Coalition were to be indicted for any single act it would be that for a few measly pounds the Minister for Finance, Deputy Ryan, persuaded the Government at that time not to go forward with a national census which would yield the figures on which proper planning and economic development could take place. We have some basic factors at this stage without the census figures, which we will be processing shortly. We know from the IDA the number of jobs created. We know 30,000 jobs were created last year and that was twice the figure of the last full year of Coalition Government in 1976. It was more than twice the number created in 1975. We know that the figure of 30,000 will be repeated this year. The figure of 60,000 in two years, 1978 to 1979, represents more than double the figure in the last two years of the Coalition.

I will give some up to date figures which will show that this is a continuing process. Unemployment has fallen by about 5,500 between the end of December last year to the end of March this year. The investment indicators for 1979 are particularly buoyant and show that that figure is an on-going continuing one. The imports of producers' capital goods, capital goods imported for the purpose of creating employment, are up by over 40 per cent in the first quarter of 1979.

For the creation of profits.

A useful barometer in assessing economic progress, expansion and job creation is the building and construction industry. Cement sales—and this is the first time this figure has been given—are up by 14 per cent in volume in the first four months of 1979 compared to the first four months of last year. That bears out our assessment of that industry, where the problem is not one of unemployment but of finding people to take on the jobs that are there. The IDA find this a growing phenomenon throughout the country. It does not just apply to the building and construction industry but to a number of projects which the IDA have established. People are not there to take up the jobs. There is now a situation where employment outlets are beginning to outrun job availability.

Our problems are not the problems of depression or of zero or minus growth but the problems of prosperity. We welcome these problems.

The postal strike?

The problem of prosperity, I say this non-politically, is to control expectations. To some extent Deputy Cluskey made the same point. There is no point in the community taking the fallacious view that because there is reasonably full employment, because we have reduced inflation as we have, because there are job opportunities, because we have the highest economic growth within the EEC and because those economic indicators are there, this means that every section of the community can go hell for leather for whatever increases it wants.

Only selected sections.

The main problem of prosperity is to control it and ensure it is a prosperity that is equally shared throughout the whole community and that the basic purpose of social justice is maintained and every section of the community is treated as equitably as possible. That is important. That very purpose and objective will be frustrated if we have a situation where the strong can get what they like and the weak do not have the strength to push for their legitimate share of the national prosperity.

Our job as a Government is to ensure that there is a balance in the distribution of national wealth and that this balance is designed to ensure that the strong do not push the weak to the ground. The great danger in not following on the thinking behind the national understanding is that such a situation might emerge in which a strong trade union can secure what they like while the people who are unrepresented, those in the lower income categories who do not have muscle, suffer. It is our duty as a Government to ensure that they are looked after and that the balance is redressed in their favour if there is any free-for-all situation.

Deputy Cluskey challenged me on other points. He had the temerity to talk about economic growth in a situation where last year our economic growth was in the region of 7-8 per cent. That economic growth resulted in the employment of which I have spoken because the two matters are directly related. Side by side with that growth we managed to reduce the inflation rate to 8 per cent last year from the all-time high figure of 21 per cent in 1975.

There were several years intervening between 1975 and 1978.

Our economic growth figure last year was the highest in the EEC, as was the case the year before. Our economic growth rate this year will be the highest in the EEC——

Does the Minister know why? It is because we are so underdeveloped as compared with the rest of the community after 30 years of Fianna Fáil management. Our potential for growth must be greater.

The Deputy was not interrupted when he was speaking. He should let the Minister speak. There should be no interruptions in a debate of this kind.

The average growth rate—and this is real underdevelopment —in 1973 to 1977 was 2¾ per cent per year. Last year it was 7 per cent.

It was 5½ per cent.

That is the sort of thing that makes the difference. It relates to a gain in employment last year of 17,000 jobs. The Deputy knows that it is basic economic sense and a canon of economics that growth rate and jobs are directly related. During the period of office of the Coalition there was a growth rate of 2¾ per cent as compared with 7 per cent in 1978. When they were in office there was an average loss of 4,500 jobs per year compared with a gain of 17,000 in 1978. There is a simple answer to all of this. For economic growth read more jobs. There is a correlation between economic growth and social justice and it is nonsense for Deputy Cluskey to speak as though the two aspects can be confined to separate compartments. They are directly related. Economic growth means more jobs, more jobs means a better society and a better society means more revenue for the less well-off and for the socially deprived.

Deputy Cluskey was concerned with social welfare for some years and I shall give him some relevant figures. In real terms there was a rise in old age pensions of 2.1 per cent per year from 1973-1977 when the Deputy was responsible for their disbursement. The rise in real terms in 1978 was 6.1 per cent, an increase of 4 per cent. The Deputy also mentioned taxation. I see that Deputy Ryan is present in the House now. In his two budgets in 1976 and 1977 the increase in tax allowances was of the order of 19.6 per cent of £180. In our last two budgets, instead of £180 increase read the figure of £1,130 and for the figure of 19.6 per cent read 103 per cent in our two budgets. These are the practical facts that cannot be denied.

The most damning indictment of the previous Government was a phrase used by Deputy Ryan. When he was trying to combat the raging inflation that existed he said, "We were swallowed up in a sea of inflation". He was right.

I was talking about the Fianna Fáil administration when I used that phrase.

Deputy Horgan asked me to give all the figures regarding inflation and I shall do so. They will show how the Coalition Government were swallowed up in a sea of inflation. The rate was 17 per cent in 1974; 21 per cent in 1975; 18 per cent in 1976. These are the figures.

What was the rate in 1977?

In 1978 the figure was 8 per cent. All of this indicates that as a Government we went into office to plan for jobs and to switch round the economy by way of tax concessions and incentives to industry to ensure a spectacular increase in job creation. We have succeeded in doing that.

A further and serious problem remains to which I referred initially, namely, the problem of industrial relations. Unless this problem is resolved in a sane and rational manner in the months ahead no Government can succeed in managing the economy. Fine Gael or Labour or a combination of them, or Fianna Fáil cannot succeed. In a democracy no Government can succeed in providing full employment without getting a consensus and a partnership between the trade union movement and themselves. It is as simple and as basic as that.

I am not trying to pretend that the defeat of the national understanding was not a disappointment. Of course it was. However, some day and somehow, and the sooner the better, this Government—because we are here for the next three years—will have to tackle the problem. For the sake of Ireland this matter had better be tackled quickly in the months ahead because we cannot afford to wait for years. Unless this problem is resolved in a rational and sensible manner this country is heading for very serious trouble. It does not take a genius or an economic expert to see that if we price ourselves out of the market by inflation and increased costs as regards exports—and this would undoubtedly flow from an undisciplined approach to industrial relations—we will go down. We can only survive through more competitive production. We can only plan for that and achieve it within a rational environment as regards wages and prices and general and reasonable peace on the industrial relations front.

I make a particular appeal for this. I think in their hearts everybody here this evening agrees with what I have said and that congress would also agree with it as would anybody who thinks sensibly about our future. We must agree that all other problems in our society today pale into insignificance compared with the major problem of getting a partnership going between the trade union movement and the Government, have it well-established and have the sensible and rational approach one finds in Germany, Holland and Belgium—I mention those three countries particularly, especially Germany and Holland—and Denmark which gives rise to this partnership between the trade union movement and the Government.

The Minister should be careful; two out of the three he mentions are socialist governments.

I regard myself as a practical socialist.

A what? I thought the Minister said "practising".

No, practical—I practise other things. We must get into an environment where such a partnership can work, where the trade unions and the Government set down rational goals and expectations, decide, on the available evidence, economic data and social criteria what are the realisable targets over a period, agree on those targets and decide on other aspects of life such as those included in the national understanding relating to health, education, social welfare and taxation and decide what such aspects can contribute towards a legitimate and fair increase for various sections of the community. It is only in that way that we can plan ahead and make a significant contribution to what we all really want, an economic climate in which we can have full employment.

Otherwise nobody can succeed. In a modern democratic society it is becoming obvious that nobody can succeed unless there is such a partnership. It is now clear that the nation as a whole must be persuaded to get this message. While I am disheartened by the defeat of the national understanding we must try and try again along this road. We must try the road of persuasion—I agree with Deputy Cluskey on that. We must try the road of patriotism, try to get people to see that it is everybody's business to ensure that nobody takes too much but that everybody gets a reasonable share of what the nation as a whole has earned. That is what I mean by controlling irrational expectations. Irrational expectation is a luxury which the community cannot afford. What is needed above all is a community sense of discipline and responsibility. The strongest force in our society that can give that is the elected Government with its mandate from the people and its legitimacy from the democratic choice of the people in combination with the trade union movement. This applies not only to our society but to every democratic society where one must make progress by way of free choice and agreement.

A government must have the confidence of the people if it is to be able to govern. We are not talking in this motion about popular support for a government because a government pursuing the right policy may generate confidence but may lose popular support. We are talking here very bluntly and truly about a Government who have lost the confidence of all sections of the people. Even those to whom the present Government pandered by the abolition of wealth tax and other handouts which they did not require have now lost confidence in the Government that gave these bonanzas. Ireland never had such troubled waters; the pity is that there is no oil to pour on them. The Government have a terrible responsibility for this situation and it is a responsibility that is solely theirs.

The nation's troubles stemmed primarily from widespread unrealistic expectations. The Government argue that but those unrealistic expectations were directly and irresponsibly stimulated by the Fianna Fáil Party in their unprincipled bid for power in 1977. The mischief they then created will take five or six years to cure. The policies since pursued by the Government of borrowing massive amounts in a once off-dash for mushroom growth that could not be sustained have generated discontent, uncertainty, unreasonable expectations. There is strong irony in the Fianna Fáil slogan for the European Parliamentary elections when they ask to be given a strong voice in government in Europe. They were given a strong voice in the Government of Ireland, the strongest an Irish Government ever got and all we hear of this voice now is in complaint and wailing that their critics, particularly in the media, are being unfair to them. They complain that their sermons on the mountain of government are not getting the publicity they think they deserve. People do not want preaching; they want practice from the Government and they are not getting it.

Have the Government no idea what is going on, what the people are saying? If not, they must not be engaged in the European or local elections campaign. Some of the rotten rubbish that people have flung at some of their cameras in Dublin should have brought to their attention the fact that the people are annoyed with them, that people are saying: "For God's sake, would the Government govern or get to hell out of it."

The Government's job is to govern, not to be preaching sermons to people they have misled.

In an oil crisis which is one one-fifth as bad as the oil crisis that afflicted this country and the world in 1973-74 there is now wholly unnecessary chaos, hardship, inconvenience and profiteering on a scale immensely worse than anything that happened in 1973-74. Most of this stemmed from the uncertainty of the situation, from the feeling people have that the Government are not managing their affairs properly. Nor are they. The Government some weeks ago took power to distribute oil supplies and it appears now that some privileged few garages can get unlimited quantities of petrol while others are being deprived of their fair share—and this, when the Government are responsible for distribution. If ever there was an occasion for rationing petrol, it exists now. However, the Government are so incompetently handling the postal strike that even if they did decide to ration there is no way to distribute the ration coupons without inordinate delay. Even if the Government's crass ineptitude makes the general introduction of rationing impossible at present, would they please make immediate arrangements to ensure that medical doctors, taximen and other people rendering essential public services are provided with petrol? Could they not even do that for a comparatively small number of people in the community? Apparently not. If they could have, they would surely have done so before now. We have the scandal of urgent medical treatment and operations being postponed because doctors cannot accept responsibility for the admission of patients to hospitals and for performing operations on them, when they are unable to get to treat them, should an emergency arise. The Government do nothing about that. It seems that even that simple task is beyond their competence.

Who is responsible for the worst oil shortage in Europe? The crowd who sought power to get the country moving again. The country was never at such a standstill since the last great war. I have come to the Dáil tonight through streets virtually deserted—it is more like a Sunday morning than a summer evening. Who is responsible for the streets of Dublin being choked with rotten rubbish? A spokesman of Dublin Corporation stated on radio last night that it was the Government who were responsible, in not allowing them to settle the dispute. Who is responsible for four-fifths of the buses being off the road for several months? Who is responsible for no postal services? Who is responsible for the largely non-functioning telephone service? Who is responsible for the city and county of Dublin in which a very grave shortage of water existed during the wettest winter on record? The crowd who offered the young people of Ireland "your kind of country". It was not for this kind of country that the young people voted them into power. Who is responsible for the streets of this city being pitted with potholes of unprecedented number and dimension? A Government containing a Minister for Economic Planning and Development who said it would be better to dig holes and fill them up again than to have people unemployed. The holes are there now and they will not even fill them up. They wonder why anyone should lack confidence in them. Thanks be to God that the people are sane, as is proved by the fact that they have not got confidence in the Government. If the people were not expressing a lack of confidence in them, I should be very worried about their sanity. They are sane and they are expressing that lack of confidence in a loud and persistent voice.

They are not calling for the Deputy.

I am sorry to be speaking in this vein. I had to shoulder the responsibility of Government and of economic management of the Government without the help of any Minister for Economic Planning and Development and without all the plethora of people brought in by the Government in private appointments to the public service. I had to shoulder the responsibility of Government at a time when the country was going through, as the rest of the world was, the worst recession in 40 years. I did not get much assistance from the Opposition at that time. I did not look for it; I did not want it; I did not get it—to the contrary, because they conducted a most irresponsible, vindictive and false campaign.

The reason people are not listening to them now is that they are now saying what we said five years ago, and they denied the truth of every word that we uttered. How can they expect people to listen to them when they contradicted us when we spoke the truth?

I do not say that a lot of the things they are now saying are wrong. I am saying that they cannot get the people to listen because they misled them when in Opposition; they misled them on their way into Government and ever since. Now that the crisis is upon them they cannot get the people to listen to them any more.

The boy who cried "wolf".

Yes. I do not blame the Government for all our troubles. I do deliberately and directly blame them and accuse them of making our difficulties worse than they need be and of failing to take action which is within their power to ensure that the burdens which are upon us are fairly distributed. Their practice in government has been one of relieving the burdens of those best in a position to carry them and of throwing the burdens and the suffering on to the poorest of the poor and the less privileged. We are now faced with the real danger that the Irish £, which so proudly entered the EMS a couple of months ago, will soon be substantially devalued by market forces as the world outside takes fright at the sight of this country having as it does Europe's highest inflation rate, the worst industrial disputes, excessively high Government borrowing and a rapidly worsening balance of payments. This year looks like producing a deficit of over £1,000 million in trade. Already, our external reserves have fallen by over £70 million in one month. The external reserves which not so long ago were sufficient to pay for six months' imports will, by the end of the year, pay for imports for only three and a half months and if the price of oil rises in any significant way it will, in fact, pay for imports for an even shorter period, two and a half to three months.

Bad as our difficulties are at present, all the signs are that they will become immeasurably worse. From the Government, we have either silence or whinging that their sermons from the seat of Government are not receiving sufficient attention in the media and that the people who were misled by them cannot now understand why they are contradicting all they preached for the last six years. Surely the Government of Nero is fiddling while Ireland is burning herself to death and the Government cannot even supply the water to put out the fire. The Government are not leading; they cannot lead, as they do not know where to go. They know that they should not be where they are at present. We recall the story of the tourist—when we had tourists—who was climbing Macgillycuddy's Reeks and asked a local farmer how to get to Dublin, and the farmer replied, "Well, you should not be starting from here in the first place". That is the Government's plight at present.

When the going was good, when they received from us—in the words of Deputy Jack Lynch, the Taoiseach—a sound economy, which he described as a sound basis on which to build, they squandered what we left them for the sake of passing popularity. Now that the crisis is upon us, the reserves that we had so carefully hoarded to meet this kind of situation—which is not unusual in the world—have been mis-spent in a dash for mushroom growth which could not be sustained even if there were never the problems arising out of the Iranian situation and the advantage which the oil-producing states have taken from that situation. I am appalled. It sickens me. I am so long on the scene that I take no joy in scoring political points. I would much rather see the country ruled properly, no matter which Government were in power. Unfortunately, the Government are incapable of ruling, incapable of giving the lead. They have got themselves into a mess and do not know how to extricate themselves.

Debate adjourned.
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