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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 9 Jul 1981

Vol. 329 No. 4

State Guarantees Act, 1954 (Amendment of Schedule) Order 1981: Motion.

Cavan-Monaghan): I move:

That Dáil Éireann approves the following Order in draft:

State Guarantees Act 1954 (Amendment of Schedule) Order 1981

a copy of which Order in draft has been laid before the House.

This Resolution arises from the recent restructuring of the particle-board firm at Scarriff, County Clare. On 26 March 1981 the House approved a Supplementary Forestry Estimate of £1,293,000 in this context.

The difficulties experienced by the chipboard industry in Ireland over the past decade resulted in the closure of three of the country's four mills, the exception being Chipboard Ltd, Scarriff, which was in receivership since April, 1980, and which remained in production through State assistance to the receiver.

The package for restructuring this firm involved the setting up of a new company, namely Chipboard Products Limited, in which the Minister for Fisheries and Forestry became the major shareholder. Very briefly, the restructuring arrangements, which were completed on 13 May 1981, involved an agreement between the Minister for Fisheries and Forestry and a local consortium to purchase the assets of Chipboard Ltd, in receivership, and form a new company to carry on the business of particle-board manufacture at Scarriff. The board of the new company consists of four State directors and three directors representing the private investors. The company have an ordinary share capital of £527,000, of which the State subscribed £334,000 and private shareholders provided £193,000. There is provision for a share option scheme which, if taken up, would increase the private share capital to £231,000. The State also subscribed at par for £200,000 15 per cent redeemable cumulative preference shares.

A loan of £466,000 for a period of 12 years was provided by the Department of Fisheries and Forestry and there is provision for capital grants, totalling £1,012,000 over a three-year period, of which £293,000 was included in the Supplementary Estimate. The package also incorporates a timber supply agreement with the new company whereby the Forest and Wildlife Service will continue, for a period of three years, an arrangement whereby the existing firm were paid to harvest a proportion of their wood requirements from State forests and allowed to remove the wood free of charge.

Apart from the direct financial investment and timber supply agreement referred to, the State agreed to guarantee £400,000 of a bank loan of £750,000 to the company. This guarantee necessitates an appropriate amendment of the Schedule to the State Guarantees Act, 1954, and it is specifically in this context that the Resolution now before the House arises. Before any moneys from the loan can be disbursed approval of this amendment is necessary in order to legalise the guarantee. There is an urgency about the matter inasmuch as it is envisaged that the company will require to draw down on the bank loan in the very near future.

I compliment the Minister on bringing this order before the House and I wish him well in his new ministry. I know the Minister realises the importance and urgency of this order. It is a move to preserve a lot of jobs in Scarriff chipboard factory along with jobs in the harvesting, extraction, haulage and transportation of timber. The timber processing industry has faced tough times all over the world. Unfortunately the past few years have seen the loss of the Athy wallboard factory, the Munster chipboard factory, and portion of the Clondalkin Mills ceasing operations. These were all very heavy users of timber thinnings and waste. The loss of Scarriff would have seen the demise of the last timber processing mill here.

The situation there was very worrying not just because of the loss of jobs but because it would also have meant the importation of our chipboard needs and the loss of the expertise we have in this industry. Also we would have had no outlet for forestry thinnings. For some years before this move was taken, there was a scheme of subsidisation of timber thinnings to Scarriff and Clondalkin. Despite this move Scarriff had difficulties and were about to close. At that stage the IDA, Fóir Teoranta and other State bodies had washed their hands of the project and could not see much hope for its future. The Government decided to assist Scarriff, and local business people and ordinary people who were interested and were prepared to raise funds revamped the mill. With substantial State aid and the continuation of the timber subsidisation, Scarriff was saved. The new board of directors and the division and percentage we have come up with secured the investment of the private sector but particularly the State investment in this mill, which is considerable.

I was responsible for appointing two of the directors and Deputy O'Malley appointed two others. I now refute the statement which was made previously that this move to save Scarriff involved party hacks. I challenge anyone including the present Minister to provide two more qualified people than the two directors I appointed. I did not ask them about their political affiliations but I know and admire their qualities of honesty, trustworthiness, experience and commonsense. On 26 March when this was first introduced in the Forestry Estimate, Deputy E. Collins objected strenuously and referred to party hacks and political patronage. When a move was made to save Scarriff Deputy E. Collins displayed a truculence that would be very much in keeping with the dog in the manger and referred to the Munster Chipboard factory. Others referred to the close of the Athy wallboard factory. I lay the blame for those closures particularly on our Government and I note the remarks by mouthpieces of certain unions and of certain lunatic fringe political parties who were prone to refer to this matter. In relation to Waterford the unions have the greatest sin to answer for with regard to the closure of the Munster Chipboard factory having regard to the sit-in. Actions whether they were official or unofficial frightened away prospective buyers and they effectively closed the gate and locked the door on Waterford. In relation to the wallboard factory in Athy the management must take a certain amount of blame, as must the dumping of Swedish imports. The attitude of the management, the workers and the unions must be looked into. For years there were 50 too many working in that factory and they virtually got appearance money. The unions must be culpable on that account. Representatives of the Irish Transport and General Workers Union who would accuse politicians of playing on the emotions of people would be as well to cast the mote out of their own eye before they deal with anyone else. I refer particularly to a recent remark made by them.

When I say the unions I do not mean the ordinary working members, who have very little to say, I am talking about the Dublin-based people who pull the puppet strings in the background, the faceless people who dodge the blame but who are all smiles when it comes to taking the credit. They play with the lives of people also. But in this case the jobs and the future of Scarriff were saved. It is well to remark that for the period the State took on the responsibility of the mill — before the new company took office — it did remarkably well and paid its way. I am confident that in the future it will pay its way and stand on its own feet. The decision to improve the plant, to improve the product, giving it uniform quality in order to provide for our future needs at home, was the right one.

Side by side with that move in Scarriff there was also the introduction into this country of a firm from Oregon, the Medford Corporation, manufacturing medium-density fibre board. When the future of Scarriff was in doubt there was a degree of concern that Medford in Clonmel would harm Scarriff. I should say that they are not in the least incompatible. Scarriff make a chipboard; Medford make a medium-density fibre board which will be used in furniture. They will both look for different markets. The Medford product has already got a toehold for 20 per cent of its output even in Europe. Its output in America has now obtained 20 per cent of the trade in the EEC. This decision will utilise the supply of timber thinnings we will have for the next ten years — there will be enough for all — and the agreement with the Forestry and Wildlife Service to provide a subsidised supply will run for three years only. That is necessary and will give both industries an opportunity to find their feet. After that, hopefully, the market will decide the price. At that stage there could perhaps be an energy value to the thinnings that will be used that could help to decide the market price of the product.

Because of the difficulties of the timber processing industry, in which we had 300,000 tons of thinnings to spare every year with no market for them, as Minister at that time, I did a deal to the effect that we would export timber to Sweden for a three year period because nobody at home wanted it. The person concerned did manage to export 24,000 tons. I should say we have nothing whatsoever to hide in regard to this. The timber was there, nobody wanted it. It would be comparable to the sales of our calves at one time to Italy and to Europe generally, when nobody wanted them here at home. I am sure the Leas-Cheann Comhairle will remember the time when calves were available for £1, or could not even be given away. At that stage I am sure people would have been glad to export them. This decision of the Government also had the effect of keeping our harvesting people in employment, training more people, getting them ready for the large volume of harvesting and extraction and on road-making and machinery usage that will become necessary in two years time when the project gets under way.

I consider this decision in regard to the future of our forestry as a fine example of a Government that were not single-minded, who had no hang-up about socialism or capitalism but who were prepared to act to solve the problems of the day. I would see the State involvement in Scarriff and the private enterprise in Clonmel providing the complete answer to our needs through the utilisation of our forest products, as having been a very good decision and one that will ensure that our sawmills are geared to maximum capacity in providing the 1,000 new jobs for which the IDA recently claimed credit. I would view it also as forming part of a programme for which the Department of Fisheries and Forestry can claim some of the credit.

I compliment the Minister and I wish Scarriff well. I am sure it will thrive and prosper, serving our needs in the remaining decades of this century and beyond. When the decision was taken earlier this year it was considered a brave one. I consider it still to have been the proper decision and that it will so prove in the future.

I too welcome the motion. As the Minister has outlined, it will ensure that the Scarriff factory will be saved, which is vital for many reasons. The primary reason is that it is the only timber processing industry remaining in this country giving valuable employment in a remote part of the State.

As Deputy Power said, it is obvious that we have a problem with regard to the disposal of our forestry thinnings, a real problem for this Government, as it was for the previous one. Probably it will be the greatest difficulty with which the Minister will have to deal in the years ahead. We must find ways of getting rid of our vast surplus of forest thinnings which, as Deputy Power stated, amounted to 300,000 tons in the past year. These will increase and probably will be a multiple of 300,000 by the time we reach the nineties.

I made the point in this House before that at this stage we should be examining seriously the provision of a chemical pulp mill. For Members who do not understand this technical expression, it is the ultimate in the processing of timber, when one ends up with a product called wood pulp and eventually newsprint. That mill is badly needed and the Minister might bear in mind the necessity to have a study carried out to ascertain if we are justified at this stage in going ahead with its provision. I anticipate that it would cost several hundred million pounds to construct. But the time has arrived when the provision of such a mill is justified. The closest such mill to us is one in Fortwilliam in Scotland. I believe it has experienced considerable teething troubles, most of which have now been overcome.

It is indeed a sad state of affairs to see us exporting vast quantities of timber at a price of £1 per tonne. The irony of the situation is that we are exporting that timber to Sweden. Indeed, it is because of the dumping by Sweden of finished timber products that three industries in this country have closed down over the past three or four years — there were four, including Scarriff which we are discussing here today. The remaining three have had to close. They were not viable because of the dumping by Sweden of finished timber products in other European countries. Now we are exporting our timber at a give-away price to the very country responsible for those closures.

Perhaps the Minister could give us some further details of the announcement made last Tuesday morning that we hoped to save annually £25 million by increased processing of our timber products. I do not see how that saving can be made and I should be glad if we could have some further explanation. The Minister may say it is a question more for the Industrial Development Authority and the Department of Industry Commerce and Tourism. To me the prospect is over-optimistic. I think it will take a considerable number of years and we shall have to await the construction of the Medford timber processing factory in Clonmel, plus some other timber processing factories, before we can hope to effect such a saving. Ultimately we should be planning for the chemical pulp mill which will utilise all our excess forestry thinnings. As I pointed out before it is an ideal subject for a joint venture between this State and the six north-eastern counties because they too have surplus timber products. Together we could pool our resources, making the chemical pulp mill a viable proposition.

I am glad of the opportunity to say a few words on this motion which is, I suppose, a minor, technical completion of the arrangements that were made in regard to Scarriff. I notice that the guarantee is regarded as urgently necessary in respect of the £500,000 of a bank loan of £750,000. I have had occasion to say before in this House — from both sides of it I think — that certainly the Irish banks are not tremendous risktakers when one takes into account the fact that this loan of £750,000 is backed by assets of perhaps several million pounds. Nonetheless, a State guarantee of more than half the loan has to be given.

I recall that Deputy Power and I argued with the banks on the occasion concerned but with only limited success. At least we got the level of the guarantee from the State down to £400,000 from the figure which was originally requested. I saw in the newspapers the other day a statement by the IDA, to which Deputy Deasy referred, in relation to the timber industry generally. I wondered why they found it necessary to issue it because I would have thought that everything in it had been said by me as well as themselves ad nauseam over the past year. One of the more curious parts of the statement was their expression of confidence in the future of Chipboard, Scarriff. That amused me because there is no IDA money in Chipboard, Scarriff. All the money that has been put up by this State — unfortunately it had to be a large amount of money — came from the Department of Forestry and Fisheries. Deputy Power has already referred to this. I wonder why the IDA felt it necessary to make the statement they did the other day in view of those circumstances and in view of the fact that they are not in any way involved in this project.

Although the IDA and a number of other State agencies felt unable to help in regard to this project, it is an important one in terms of what was done and how it was done. It promises to be one of the more fruitful partnerships between the State and private enterprise in this country. There have not been many such partnerships and most of those there have been have not succeeded. There is a certain spirit about Scarriff which I observed in the course of very prolonged negotiations which went on over about a year. I do not just mean the factory; I mean the people of the locality as well. It is worth noting here that a lot of small people who could ill afford it subscribed quite substantial sums of money to enable this partnership to be worked out and to enable this new company to be formed and take over the assets of the old company from the receiver. Many of those people are taking substantial risks with most of whatever assets they have. It shows a level of commitment which is not usual in many parts of the country where the State is expected to step in and shoulder the entire risk when a situation like this is encountered.

I would like to compliment Mr. McInerney and particularly the local people in Scarriff for the enterprise they have shown and the courage they have shown in relation to this project. I express the hope with some confidence that the whole operation will work out to the satisfaction of everybody and that gradually over the next few years this old-fashioned chipboard factory can be refurbished and brought up to modern standards with the money being provided from public and private sources. I trust it will become an efficient and profitable organisation in the near future and will ensure that the Irish market for chipboard will be met from our own sources and that any increase in imports can be avoided.

I listened with interest to what Deputy Deasy had to say about a chemical pulp mill. This is certainly one of the options which has been looked at recently, but I have considerable doubt if we now have sufficient raw material for such a mill. I believe when the Scarriff mill and the Medford plant at Clonmel are fully operational they will use up all the thinnings and other forms of waste timber that are likely to become available over the next five to ten years. I am not sure what level of availability is likely to be there in the nineties and if there will be an increase that would warrant the consideration of a further large processing plant. If the raw materials were available in the nineties the type of plant which Deputy Deasy speaks about might well be the optimum utilisation of those resources. On the other hand, one has to bear in mind that the capital required is enormous and the employment given negligible, and this project might not be possible if raw materials were scarce or limited. I believe this was the best utilisation in all the circumstances.

I am happy that, as of now, all timber that becomes available in this country from 1983 onwards, whether sawlog timber or waste timber, will be fully utilised or fully processed in this country. The sawlog timber industry has undergone quite a transformation over the past number of years and is now a modern and efficient industry by comparison with the state it was in four or five years ago. With the coming into full production of Scarriff and Medford there is no doubt that all our waste timber and thinnings that will begin to become available from 1983 onwards can be fully processed in this country. That is a satisfactory situation about which we are entitled to express our pleasure. I hope it will remain that way. The rescusitation of Scarriff in the form in which it has been achieved is important, not just in the context of timber alone but in a broader context, because it has shown people in a real way what can be done by local enterprise and initiative and the willingness of people to put their money where their mouths are.

I would like to wish the new company, Chipboard Products Limited, every success in the future. I would like also to compliment and pay tribute to the previous Minister for Forestry and Fisheries, Deputy Power, and also the previous Minister for Industry, Commerce and Tourism, Deputy O'Malley, who were very much involved and helped considerably to get this company under way. I feel we have here an ideal formula for successful business enterprise, where the Government, the local people and the workers in the Scarriff area can operate and manage a very successful chipboard business. I would like to take this opportunity of wishing it every success and hope that it will go from strength to strength. The people in east Clare realise how difficult it is to attract industry there. In that rural area there has been a successful enterprise for many years. Many of the workers there also had small farms and they invested their earnings to improve and develop their farms. I should like to thank Messrs McInerney who invested their money and who in difficult circumstances kept the industry going. The workers are grateful to them.

, Cavan-Monaghan): I thank my predecessor, Deputy Power, for the special welcome he extended to me and for his good wishes. The Deputy took credit for the agreement which gives rise to this motion and I would be less than candid if I were to take any credit for it. The Act was put together sometime before the change of Government. Indeed the agreement I referred to was entered into by my predecessor and a consortium of Clare people on 13 May 1981, with a view to saving the Scarriff chipboard factory and preserving a number of jobs there. I understand there were 200 jobs in the old factory which perished and that there will be about 150 jobs in the new undertaking. Therefore, about 75 per cent of the jobs have been saved, and I am glad that has been done.

Deputy O'Malley spoke about other State enterprises such as the IDA and Fóir Teoranta, and it struck me when I came to the Department and was given this file that a more orthodox way to save the undertaking would have been to ask either of those bodies to do it. There is no doubt that the agreement referred to provides a lot of help to the undertaking, equity of £534,000, with a Department loan of £406,000, grants during three years of £1.112 million, the loans we are now guaranteeing of £400,000 and a loan of £750,000. Deputy O'Malley spoke of the bank requiring the State guarantee urgently. The explanation is that the State-guaranteed part of the £400,000 is being drawn on before the £350,000. As well, the agreement provides for subsidising the raw material, the timber, during the next three years. It provides that the company will be entitled to the timber, which constitutes thinnings, for three years free of charge and there will be a subsidy this year of £6 or £7 a ton. This figure will be revised next year.

I wish the undertaking well and I sincerely hope that the jobs which this agreement set out to save will be firmly established and that in the years to come the undertaking will provide a purchasing agency for State timber, which is maturing in ever greater quantities. The motion before the House provides simply the machinery, by amending the State Guarantees Act, 1954, to enable one of the conditions in the May 1981 agreement to be implemented. Time does not permit me to go into great detail or to deal with matters raised by Deputy Deasy and others.

Question put and agreed to.
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