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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 17 Jun 1982

Vol. 336 No. 3

Adjournment Debate. - Local Authority Housing.

I thank the Chair for allowing me to raise this important matter on the Adjournment. It was one of the questions I had on today's Order Paper and I was totally dissatisfied with the answer given by the Minister. I asked the Minister for the Environment if he would consider withdrawing the memorandum dated 21 April which was issued to local authorities in relation to the procedure to be followed with regard to the building of local authority houses because of the unnecessary delays that would be caused as a result of the implementation of the memorandum.

In his reply the Minister stated he had no intention of withdrawing the memorandum. He stated he had examined it and approved it before it was issued to the local authorities. I regret that very much. He said he had no objection from any local authority in regard to the memorandum. The local authority of which I am a member wrote to the Minister objecting to some of the aspects of it, matters which we felt would retard and delay unnecessarily our housing programme. In the course of a letter I sent to the Minister I referred to parts of the memorandum. The first matter I find objectionable in that memorandum is the fact that the Department must be consulted about the acquisition of all sites. For instance, a family living in a remote are and earning their living from agriculture and who are in need of proper housing must have an application for the acquisition of a site on their behalf approved by the Department. Such a family would not have any option but to continue to live in a rural area and adjacent to their farm. The decision to insist on consultation with the Department before the acquisition of sites is agreed is a delaying tactic. We have never experienced that before at local authority level.

I view this directive as a vote of no confidence in local authorities and their staff. We are all aware that the staff and members of local authorities are responsible people who spend the money allocated by the Department in a responsible manner. I have been a member of a local authority for seven years and my complaint has always been that we do not get sufficient money for housing and not that that money is spent inefficiently by officials. If local authorities are obliged to comply with this memorandum it may lead to a delay of between 12 and 18 months in regard to the acquisition of sites. We must bear in mind that after sites are acquired, assuming approval is obtained from the Department, permission must be obtained from the Department to accept a tender to build a house. This is another erosion of the powers of local authorities. I am surprised that the Minister of State, who is a member of a local authority, approved of that directive. For too long and too often the powers of local authorities have been eroded. They have been treated with contempt by the Department of the Environment. We are all aware that it can take between two years and five years for some schemes sent by local authorities to be approved by the Department. Do we have any guarantee that a request from a local authority to the Department to acquire a site for a dwelling will not be held up for two or three years?

When we reach the tender stage sanction must also be obtained from the Department. Very often contractors submit tenders based on the assumption that, if they are successful, they will be given the go ahead within two or three months. However, after the tender is submitted to the Department and the inspector is consulted it can take between 12 months and two years before the tender is approved. By that time the contractor may not be prepared to build the house for the price he tendered and, in some cases, the people for whom the house was intended may have died or left the district mainly due to the fact that they had to live in diabolical conditions for some years. The memorandum amounts to a complete disregard for local authorities, and their staff. It amounts to an indication by the Department that they are not competent to handle, allocate or utilise the money allocated for housing.

As a result of the action of a former Minister for Local Government, Mr. Tully, a lot of red tape was done away with and now local authorities can acquire sites, advertise and build anything up to 60 houses without sanction. All local authorities welcomed that move because it cancelled delays and committed local authorities to build houses for those who are living in deplorable conditions. We are all aware of the report which assessed housing needs up to 1985, published in 1980. According to that report we need to build three times the number of houses we are building at present to cope with the expected demand. We have to cater for a fast growing population and bear in mind that people are getting married at a younger age. Due to the poor economic climate that exists and the appalling unemployment situation more people depend on local authorities to provide houses for them. More local authority houses will have to be provided in the future. The Minister should be ensuring that local authorities are given additional finance to enable local authorities to build more houses rather than putting a barrier in their way and preventing proper development. The Department are delaying the process.

This is a delaying tactic by the Government and an effort to find a convenient excuse not to give local authorities the money they need for housing. Rural areas are being hit by this directive but sites are being acquired in urban areas and sewerage schemes carried out. It really hits at rural counties. It is one of the ways the present Government have for avoiding channelling money to those local authorities and channelling it instead into the city of Dublin to meet the requirements of the Gregory deal. I will be delighted if the Minister can tell me that is not the situation and that he and his Department are prepared to allow the normal procedure which existed for the last five years to continue with regard to the building of individual rural houses or of up to 30 houses without consultation with the Department. These houses could fit into the programme drawn up by the local authority provided they stayed within the financial allocation by the Department of the Environment. It appears that the intention of the Department is to stick rigidly to their guidelines. This directive as it now stands is detrimental to the building of local authority housing in rural areas. I appeal to the Minister to ensure that the ordinary people living in rural areas are not prevented from having as good a home as those who live in Dublin.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything the previous speaker said. There are delays in granting capital for housing. We are told there is devolved housing when in fact proposals have to be submitted for unit costing. This directive which was issued to local authorities says that before purchasing land an inspector from the Department would have to come down and see that what you are doing will not involve the local authority or the Department in increased costs. It is ludicrous to say that. The officials of the local authority are perfectly capable of doing that. I wish to lend my support to the case being made for the withdrawal of that directive.

All the memorandum did was to spell out the considerations set out in earlier circulars to guide county councils in selecting sites. Once they comply with these requirements they can go ahead on their own responsibility and acquire the land to build houses. The Department's circular about capital allocation made it clear that there were no restrictions on proceeding with isolated rural cottages on the understanding that the money to finance them would be provided. There has been no change in the devolution procedures. A local authority can, as in the past, acquire sites for schemes of up to 60 houses and plan them without referring their proposals to the Department. All that is necessary is that the sites and the plans should be discussed and agreed between the local authority's engineer or architect and my Department's local inspector.

Deputy Allen also asked a question. The memoranda were incorporated in a single document for the convenience of local authorities, their officers and their consultants. That directive was also issued by the Coalition Government during their term in office. There never has been any question of reducing the acceptable standards of local authority housing and there is no suggestion of reverting to low cost housing. I should like to emphasise that. The taxpayers must meet the bill for the construction of local authority housing. No responsible Government could tolerate a situation in which the Department's guidelines are ignored. We cannot have a situation where architects, for their self-glorification, prescribe mahogany doors and windows and fitted kitchens to a standard to compare with luxury houses costing over £60,000. There has to be a limit on the taxpayers' money. No Government could agree to pay 100 per cent subsidy. It would be quite wrong that young couples who have to skimp and save to buy their own houses should be provided with more inferior fittings than couples who are better off but who lack initiative and depend on local authority housing. I sympathise with people who depend on the local authority to house them but at the same time I accept that it would be economically shortsighted for local authorities to cut back on minimum acceptable standards of planning construction and environment for local authority housing. There is no intention of doing this.

I want to set standards for local authority housing and to see that there is value for money. No local authority has complained to me about this. The only complaints I get is that there is not enough money available, but there is a limit to the purse available to me. We must ensure that all the money being spent on local authority housing at present is not being needlessly wasted on bad land, bad lay-outs and extravagent and unnecessary design. I hope Deputy Naughten and Deputy Allen do not want to bleed millions of pounds more from the taxpayers to provide unnecessary luxuries for local authority housing. This circular laid down a set of standards for the guidance of the local authorities because I had been criticised for allowing houses to be built which had fancy brickwork and so on. Some people even said that the standard of local authority houses was too high. That is not my view. I want to see houses built to a good standard but I must see that the money is spent well and I want to cut out luxury housing. The guidelines set down by me are uniform and I wish to see them applied across the country and that everyone gets good value for money.

I appreciate what the Minister said. I am extremely anxious that the local authority and the Department of the Environment would get the maximum number of houses built with the amount of money available. I want to ask one straight question. In regard to guidelines laid down concerning seeking prior consent from the Department's inspector for the acquisition of local authority sites in a remote rural area, is that guideline drafted so that the local authority will have the authority to acquire the site, go ahead and advertise the house, so long as it is within the price guideline laid down by the Department?

In reply to that — provided it complies with the usual criteria and guidelines.

No more questions.

The Dáil adjourned at 10.35 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Friday, 18 June 1982.

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