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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 18 Dec 1985

Vol. 362 No. 14

Adjournment Debate. - GAC (Ireland) Limited.

In deference to my colleague. Deputy Donal Carey, who is a Member for the constituency. I will confine myself to 15 of the 20 minutes allotted to me.

GAC have been manufacturing buses since 1979 and I have a personal interest in them because I negotiated the agreement and helped to get the factory started despite intense opposition from some quarters. If this factory had not got under way, we would have had to import buses through the North Wall, although some people would have been happy to do that. Many pundits and commentators speak about industrial relations in an ill-informed way but I am proud that, as a trade union official, I was involved in setting up this company and that they have a 100 per cent industrial relations record. During the six years of their existence there has never been a strike or stoppage. The workers are made up of people made redundant from other factories who did not have the necessary skills at the time but who were taught and trained very quickly and became a highly efficient workforce. When they first went into production it took about 34 days to complete one bus, but now they can produce one bus per day so there has been a huge improvement in productivity.

If this factory is allowed to close the whole country will lose the skills and knowledge which have been built up over the past six years. There are 200 people directly employed by the company. There were 34 redundancies last March which were willingly accepted by the unions as a contribution by them towards reducing production costs. The workforce also invested some of their own money in the factory and accepted a pay pause of six months last year. In 1983 there were 120 redundancies and there has been a great rationalisation of the workforce since then. Side by side with the development of skills and improvement in productivity, glowing tributes have been paid by senior CIE management to the quality and high standard of the buses which the factory produced.

It is a well known statistic in macro-economics that for every person who loses a job there is a dependency ratio of five people, a husband, wife and three children, so in this case we are talking about a direct loss of 200 jobs. In the context of what we have said in this House over the past number of years it is important to realise that 250 other employees in downstream industries supply the component parts for the buses so we are talking about a total workforce of 450 people. It means, therefore, that if the factory closes 2,250 people will join the social welfare register. The Minister for Social Welfare, when speaking on the Estimate for his Department in 1984, gave statistics which indicated that every 1,000 people in receipt of social welfare cost the taxpayer £2.8 million. When we analysed the figures which I have given here, it is clear that not only are you throwing 2,250 people on to social welfare benefits but you are also denying the process of import substitution which this factory were meeting.

We said in Building on Reality that we wanted to develop small industries and to increase import substitution which would affect the balance of payments. There is a crying need for buses and we are not talking about handouts for these people. To use economic jargon we are talking about a circle of transfer. There is a commitment to £36 million for replacement of buses; £18 million has already been paid and I ask the Minister and the Government to give a commitment to the workers that the rest of the money will be forthcoming to keep this factory afloat until they can successfully develop a prototype for export. At present a prototype is being developed for Darlington in Britain which, if successful, will be sent there in January for a four months' trial. They will know the outcome of the trial in June and they are highly confident that it will be successful which would mean an initial order of 250 buses to tide them over.

If the Government give a commitment in regard to the £18 million still outstanding it will save the factory. In mentioning the sum of £18 million we must remember that the Government will take back about £12 million in PAYE, PRSI and VAT. It makes no sense for the Government to allow such a factory to close and to throw so many people out of work. The dependency ration in this country has gone mad, indeed it is the worst in Europe. We have a continually contracting workforce and an expanding dependent social welfare body of people. It can be compared to nature — the tree which becomes top heavy will break in the storm.

The workers in this factory have paid their taxes and, unlike the farmers, are not looking for handouts. They merely want to work and the Government should make every possible effort to save the factory. I understand that the Minister for Communications gave a commitment to the workforce in 1983 — at least that was their understanding — that no buses would be imported while we had a factory here with all the component skills necessary to meet our demands. I understand 800 school buses are in need of replacement, some of them 15 years old. I also understand from representatives by the workers that CIE are using other buses to supplement the existing school bus system. That is wrong.

There is nothing as bad as losing one's job unless it is to be told this type of news from a distance. I ask the Minister to meet a deputation from the work force tomorrow morning. We are expecting about four bus loads of workers from the Shannon area together with the workers from the dependent downstream industries. They are coming here at their own expense to demonstrate their anxieties and fears about the loss of jobs and the damage that will be caused to themselves and their families in the new year. I ask the Minister to have consideration for the feelings of the workers and, perhaps, arrange for some Minister to meet them. I know I am giving him very short notice and that there is a Cabinet meeting in the morning to discuss the Estimates and the budget.

To summarise, only 40 buses remain to be built and they will be completed by the end of February 1986. The company have already issued protective notices to the staff giving notice of lay offs on or about 6 January 1986. At present they are building a bus for a United Kingdom customer which could represent a significant potential export order in 1986-87. I understand that the Dáil were told money would be made available to keep plant in operation until the end of 1986. I hope that commitment will be honoured. School buses are vital to the continuation of the company and there was a commitment in Building on Reality to the replacement of the school bus fleet. If the company closes with the loss of 200 jobs in Shannon and 250 more in the supplying companies, that will mean a significant cost to the Exchequer. Essential replacements would need to be purchased abroad and this will have an adverse effect on the balance of payments. Finally there will be a loss of potential export revenue to the company.

Somebody will say, in macro-economic terms, that we cannot afford the loss of £6 million or £8 million but we are talking about a black hole with hundreds of millions of pounds going to America. For a net investment by the State of about £6 million we can keep 2,250 people off the social welfare bill. The workers are the only people who are paying any income tax.

(Interruptions.)

Cuireann sé áthas an domhain orm go bhfuil Deputy Flynn sásta tacaíocht a thabhairt dom sa cheist seo i gcoinne na bhfeirmeóirí.

I support Deputy Prendergast's plea for a clearing of the air with regard to the future of GAC. Following a meeting between interested parties and Deputies in the constituency last year, a package was arranged and I understood that production would continue until well into 1986. I am disappointed to learn from Shannon that protection notices were issued to employees. This saddens me because these workers come from an industry in which I was employed. They have improved their skills and productivity and their industrial relations record is a lot better than the Van Hool operation which CIE ran at Inchicore. That was a problem which faced the Minister for Industry and Commerce of the day. Deputy O'Malley. He established this bus factory as an import substitution. The idea was that buses would be manufactured in Shannon and used by CIE. It seems there is some difficulty with this State company. CIE got a further £9 million last year and I understand £6 million has been spent on tour coaches and £3 million in another direction. That disappointed me very much because I believed GAC were to be the beneficiaries.

I strongly support the call by Deputy Prendergast for a meeting between the Minister for Communications and the workers. I believe that Minister should be here tonight, although I recognise the role the Minister of State, Deputy Collins, has to play in this area, since the small industries programme would be affected by the probable closure of GAC. CIE should put their cards on the table and explain to the workers what their intentions are because they seem to be reneging on promises they made. The best solution would be to get CIE, GAC and all interested parties around the table so that the problems could be ironed out and everybody will know what the future holds. Hopefully production will continue at GAC until they get an export order from the Darlington company in Britain.

I support the viewpoint that the extra money should be provided for this industry because I believe it does two things: it helps to maintain job potential in the west and it is very much needed to provide replacement buses on the country routes. The buses in my constituency are falling apart. I wholeheartedly support my colleagues who request the Minister to be generous in this matter.

GAC (Ireland) Ltd — formerly Bombardier (Ireland) Ltd — has been operating in Shannon since 1979 manufacturing buses for both the domestic and international markets. When that company was established, it was recognised that there was a requirement by CIE for urban and rural bus replacement and the plant has produced buses to meet this requirement over the past six years.

It was recognised at the outset that the domestic market demand for buses would not be sufficient to ensure the long term viability of GAC's operation. In the State sector side of the economy there is obviously a limit to the number of new buses CIE can afford to purchase and operate. Replacement of the national bus fleet does not fall in any one year and has always been phased in such a manner that diseconomies do not arise. Furthermore, experience has pointed to the fact that the domestic private sector bus fleet is made up to a large extent of secondhand vehicles. This places a limitation on GAC's ability to sell into this market. The Irish domestic market alone could never sustain GAC's production capacity in the long term. Similarly, CIE's immediate bus requirements would not result in long-term viability. The solution to this situation must be in exports. However, this also poses inherent difficulties. There has been a severe downturn in the market demand for buses worldwide. This has been caused by two factors: first, a general reduction in the demand for public passenger transport facilities and, secondly, tight control of capital expenditure in a recessionary situation, leading to an extension of the average age of bus flects as replacement of buses is deferred.

The overall picture of export markets is that of a further downturn in demand and increased competition. In Europe there have been plant closures and a major rationalisation in the industry. Furthermore, Japan has penetrated export markets at a very rapid rate in recent years and this has increased difficulties for the longer established exporting companies. The international market is highly competitive and is fraught with import restrictions and stipulations about local content. It is against this background that GAC have been attempting to reduce their reliance on the domestic market by winning export orders.

Demonstration buses have been sent on trial to both the British market and also to the Middle East. GAC have been assisted in their export drive by Córas Tráchtála and supported by the Minister, Deputy Bruton, during the course of trade promotional visits abroad. The problem remains that even oil rich economies are not investing as much in capital goods as heretofore.

It must be recognised that GAC (Ireland) Limited being a relatively new company, operate under certain disadvantages by comparison with their more established competitors. The company produce a high quality bus which has a lot to offer. Yet this consideration alone cannot sell the product and factors mitigating against high volume sales would be the relatively young age of the company and their position next to established names such as Volvo, MAN and British Leyland. These disadvantages must be overcome and export markets must be secured.

The company are not alone in their desire for export orders. I hope such orders will be forthcoming and would point to the fact that assistance towards securing orders has been and will continue to be given by the relevant State agencies. I would also point out that to date over £200,000 has been allocated to GAC by way of grants towards research and development on their product.

I consider suggestions that the closure of GAC is imminent unhelpful and counter-productive in the circumstances.

I would be very glad to be disabused of that by the Minister. My suggestion was not meant in an unhelpful way. However, contradiction provokes enlightenment and I would be very glad if the Minister would contradict me on that.

Such suggestions are not helpful. The company have orders on hand for some months to come and, with efforts at securing exports continuing, the operation may be able to secure its own future. I understand that throughout the year the company have had ongoing consultations with the Minister for Communications who is responsible for CIE and for national transport policy. As a consequence, additional orders were placed maintaining production throughout the current year.

Let the Minister tell us he is giving the £9 million. That is the only sentence we want to hear.

The question of rolling forward bus acquisition programmes from future years has been mentioned. At best this could never be more than a short term expedient. The concurrent gaining of significant export outlets would be an essential ingredient. However, I will ensure that the Deputy's suggestions regarding CIE and school buses will be brought to the attention of the two Ministers concerned.

It is clear from what I have said that the State has been very supportive of this firm during the years. Recognising that there are limitations to the home market, the company must redouble their efforts in relation to exports and I can assure the House of continued support for such efforts. We must recognise the necessity for the products to be competitive in cost, quality and in back-up service. Such qualities are common to all exports and it would be necessary for the effort to be positively and aggressively pursued.

Deputy Prendergast raised the question of the impact on sub-supplying firms. In my view this could give rise to undue and unnecessary concern in some quarters. I am sorry the matter was raised in that manner because there was no need to do that. With regard to the deputation tomorrow, I assume the Deputy is requesting the Minister for Communications to receive the deputation?

I am not quite sure whether it is the Minister for Education, the Minister for Communications or the Minister for Finance. I do not mind so long as some Minister meets the deputation.

I will raise the matter with the Ministers involved. I share the concerns of the Deputies in this matter. As I have said, they may be taking an unnecessarily pessimistic attitude in this instance. I must stress that exports are the key to success and the long term viability of GAC (Ireland) Limited. The company must realise they have to be competitive, effective and efficient and they must have the ability to break into export markets——

Is the Minister of State aware that 20 per cent of school buses will be dangerous on the roads unless they are replaced?

If the company are dedicated to getting a foothold in export markets they can succeed. That is the wish of my colleagues in Government. I am grateful to the Deputies for allowing me the opportunity of clearing the air with regard to this matter.

I welcome the supportive tone of the Minister's statement. Will he agree to arrange the deputation and communicate with us in the morning?

I undertake to raise the matter with the relevant Ministers. It will be their decision.

The Dáil adjourned at 12 midnight until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 19 December 1985.

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