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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 26 Oct 1988

Vol. 383 No. 4

Estimates for the Public Services, 1989 and Public Capital Programme, 1989: Motion (Resumed).

The following motion was moved by the Minister for Finance on Tuesday, 26 October 1988:
That Dáil Éireann takes note of the 1989 Estimates for the Public Services (Abridged Version) and of the 1989 Summary Public Capital Programme.
Debate resumed on amendment No. 4.
After "Programme" to add to the Motion:
"published by the Government on 18th October, 1988. In noting the publication of the 1989 Estimates Dáil Éireann draws attention to the fact that they present only one part of the budgetary and financial picture for 1989, and resolves to have a full debate on each estimate as amended, as soon as possible after the 1989 Budget".
—(Deputy Noonan,Limerick East).

As I said this morning the Estimates represent a saving of £311 million for 1989. This is a very substantial figure and will impinge significantly right across the board so far as the Government's public capital programme expenditure is concerned. Those who are saying that we have not gone far enough should recall their statements in five or six months time when the effects of the further savings begin to be felt. It is important to realise that it is as part of our programme for getting our finances on a sound basis that these savings are suggested in the Estimates.

It is important to establish a strong basis for economic development. We can only do that by continuing our efforts to reduce the borrowing and expenditure of moneys that are not really available to us. We must try to reduce the national debt each year so that we can at least stabilise the debt and then reduce the amount required to fund debt service payments each year. When one considers that it takes approximately £2 billion to service the national debt each year one can imagine the size of the financial drain on the Exchequer. If this drain did not occur we would be able to proceed with the necessary expenditure on the capital side particularly in the further development of infrastructure.

These Estimates represent continued progress in the Government's attempts to come to grips with the financial difficulties we have had for some time. There is confidence in the industrial sectors born out of what happened in the last 18 months as a result of the Government's firm grip on the financial management of the country. The reduction in borrowings will eventually lead to the creation of substantial and sustainable jobs. That is a fundamental part of the Government's attempt to cope with our difficult financial situation.

In my own constituency in the Tallaght and Clondalkin areas there is a high level, much higher than the national average, of unemployment, for a whole variety of reasons including the concentration of local authority housing developments over the last number of years and the subsequent failure of successive administrations to make a special case for these areas in view of the substantial movement of people to the newly developing areas. I hope the Government will attempt to redress that problem this year and in the years ahead. Areas like Tallaght, Clondalkin and Blanchardstown need some special policy decisions by the Government to try to come to grips with their disadvantaged status. These areas have been the subject of investigations and reports in the recent past, and all the reports indicate that all that has happened in these areas is that substantial low cost housing in the private sector and substantial local authority housing developments have been carried out without the commitment of resources and funds to the other aspects of new town developments, such as the provision of infrastructure, job opportunities and second and third level education accommodation, leisure facilities and so on. All of these services need to be brought to these new areas. The Government should begin to take policy decisions that will lead to improvement in these new towns. In the case of Tallaght there are 100,000 people where only 30 years ago there was a population of a few hundred people. Tremendous changes have occurred in those areas.

I am glad that the Minister for Social Welfare has indicated that it is the Government's intention to continue the policy of helping the less well off. As my colleague Deputy McCreevy said, it is necessary for us to understand that the poorer people deserve to receive a bigger share of the scarce resources available. We should concentrate our efforts in trying to improve the lot of the poor who depend on social welfare payments, on medical cards and on various State agencies. We must take account of their needs as the economy begins to develop.

There is a new air of confidence about the economy. I hope that the tremendous growth in exports will ultimately filter down into job creation which is really the kernel of the Government's policy. The Ministers are working together in a team in an effort to provide the conditions whereby jobs will be created and whereby we will reverse the growing trend in emigration.

The latest survey referred to the fact that there are 6,000 additional jobs as a result of growth in exports. We hope that some of them occurred as a result of the policies of this Government in terms of job creation and that more and more lasting jobs will be created. It is all very well for Government policy to state that we hope to create 20,000 new jobs a year, but we also have a responsibility to try to protect existing jobs and industries, including indigenous industries which down through the years have served us well in terms of goods, services and equipment for sale at home and abroad. It is only when employment increases that the people who have made sacrifices will fully appreciate that the sacrifices were not in vain. It is gratifying that people are prepared to accept cuts and perhaps a lower standard of living provided they can be assured that the economy is being managed properly. We have convinced the electorate that we cannot revert to a situation in which we threw taxpayer' money at different projects and services in the belief that it would meet the needs of the country. That approach is not acceptable any more. It is understood by the population at large that that was not a correct way in which to set this economy on a sound basis again.

When this time passes and the national debt has been considerably reduced, we will all have to consider how this situation arose in the first place and whether it is necessary to put legislation in place to prevent deficit budgeting in the future. We should not be afraid to take steps to ensure that no Government can take decisions which would have lasting effects to the detriment of the nation's finances. These Estimates represent continued progress towards the regularisation of those finances. Taken in the context of what has happened before and what is likely to happen next year and the year after, they will be seen as a step in the right direction.

I now refer to the success of the tax amnesty. An amnesty was offered before but it was not successful. Its success on this occasion is due not only to the waiver of the interest development but to the fact that other aspects of the tax collection system have been improved. These are important points to remember. The means of tax collecting were updated, the sheriffs were in position and taxpayers realised that once a date was set for the amnesty this Government would not change their minds. The message must go out that no Government will tolerate a repeat of the withholding of such vast amounts of taxation. The message must be loud and clear that if a person has a tax liability it must be discharged on time to the Government. Vast amounts of outstanding taxes will not be allowed to build up. The amnesty was successful for a variety of reasons but I hope the Government will make it clear that those who have not come forward cannot expect great mercy from the tax collecting régime. They have had their opportunity and they had better make plans for remitting their tax liability, which has an effect on the financial management of the country.

The Estimates represent another step in the process of regularising the difficult financial situation and I commend them to the House.

The comprehensive programme of the Estimates has come to hand only today, so we are dealing with the abridged version and it is not possible to be sure where the cuts and additions are being made. I want to refer to some specific areas. Vote 38 for the Department of Defence has caused a lot of us considerable concern because it shows only a 4 per cent increase for wages and salaries for members of the Defence Forces. This is only a little more than would be allowed for the effects of inflation. It is extremely disappointing. Last week I read in the editorial of the latest edition of the Garda Review that morale in the Garda Síochána has never been lower and that a crisis of confidence has arisen. That is extremely disturbing. What would the rank and file members of the Defence Forces or the officers have to say if they had a publication to express their views? I hate to think what it would be like. These people deserve better. Their problem has been highlighted considerably during the past six months and it is a disgrace that there has not been provision in these Estimates for a sizeable increase in their pay.

I hope during the course of this debate that a logical explanation will be given by the Minister for Defence, the Minister for Finance and the Taoiseach as to why members of our Defence Forces are having to borrow from moneylenders and go deeply into debt with mortgages and overdrafts while resorting to the family income supplement. It is a disgrace and is something which hits one between the eyes when reading the Book of Estimates. Something will have to be done to redress a very undesirable situation. We have considerable security problems and we should be willing to face up to the fact that we need to pay the people who deal with these problems in a manner which is just. That is not being done at present.

In regard to Vote 42 for the Department of Social Welfare, I refer to an anomaly which I have raised without success at Question Time. It may appear not to be extremely significant but anomalies can be so unjust as to justifiably irritate people. I do not hold any brief for people who express their bitterness because of certain malfunctions in the administration of the State, but when anomalies can easily be removed action should be taken to see that people do not have a reason to be bitter or cause to complain. The anomaly to which I refer relates to a person in receipt of unemployment assistance who has a number of children and part of whose allowance is discontinued if one of the children reaches the age of 18, even if that child is still receiving full-time education. This is a regrettable system which should not be allowed to continue. When I questioned the Minister he could not give a logical reason why the anomaly should be allowed to remain. Let us imagine the position of a parent struggling on unemployment assistance of £80 or £90 a week for himself, his wife and three or four children when he suddenly finds the amount reduced because his child, who is still totally dependent upon him, reaches 18 years of age and is still being educated. I recently discovered in addition that if a child aged 18 or over is in full-time education and the father is in receipt of social assistance, the family do not qualify for the free fuel scheme. What an appalling position and how easy it should be to rectify that terrible wrong. It is the type of problem which should be rectified in the course of preparation of the Estimates. Any similar anomalies should be got rid of.

On Vote 33, Department of Agriculture and Food, we have an alarming situation with regard to Coras Beostoic agus Feola, better known as the meat board. Their funding has been reduced from £915,000 to £500,000. That is a subsidiary type of funding, or grant-in-aid, but it is a significant amount of money for what is a relatively small board. We here last June passed increases in levies on animals so that the revenue of that board would be considerably increased. We allowed for increases per head of cattle from £1 to £1.50, for a doubling in the levy on sheep from 10p to 20p and brought in a new levy on pigs from zero to 20p. The funding provided by way of levies thereby increased from £1.9 million to £3.4 million. That was a considerable increase to the board of £1.5 million. The House unanimously passed those increases in the belief and in good faith and on the understanding that the Government would likewise increase the funding being granted to that board. The Minister at the time gave a very distinct impression that that would be the case. What happened? Not alone has there not been an increase, but the financing of the Board by the Government has been reduced by 45 per cent. Over the years, marketing has been and is the Achille's heel of our agricultural industry, or agribusiness. Luckily enough, things are improving but they will not improve as they should when there is a mean and hamfisted effort such as this to reduce the funding of a board who are selling our agricultural products, our meat products, at home and abroad. There is immense scope for expansion of value added in those meat products. That value added content has been increasing through the eighties. It is a most retrograde step to pull back the financing of the marketing board.

I noted at the weekend that the chairman of the board — it has been rumoured and that is as much as the newpaper said — was considering resigning because of the cutbacks. That would be lamentable because he is also the chief executive of the Kerry Co-Operative Society, Mr. Denis Brosnan, who has worked wonders for that board and made it into a really viable business enterprise. It would be a disgrace if that man felt obliged to resign because the Government had reduced rather than increased funding, this despite the fact that we all backed the Government here last June in increasing levies on farmers, distasteful as it might be for an Opposition to support the Government in that type of measure. We recognise that it is necessary and in the farmer's own interests that they sell their products on the open marketplace and the way to do that is to promote a marketing board. We are so far behind the Dutch, the Danes and the New Zealanders that it is not funny and when we are making a serious effort to catch up, the flow of money is reduced. It should not have happened.

We are all very concerned about the level of unemployment and, attached to that, the level of emigration, with its consequent heartbreak. We are told by economists and statisticians that emigration is now running at the rate of 40,000 people a year. Low and behold, I see in the Estimates, under Vote 40, that the amount of money which has been allocated — and I use the expression used in the summary here —"for the repatriation and maintenance of distressed Irish persons abroad" is being increased this year from £91,000 to £93,000. That is a pittance.

I shall not go into detail on the dispersion of the national lottery funds, which has got a little out of control. I am not going to make a political argument of it. It has almost come to the stage where you might as well put the lottery funds back into the Central Fund and run the headed services, the Department of the Environment and all the other Departments, with the aid of those funds. That is not why the lottery was set up. It was set up for specific purposes. One of the main purposes was to aid sport and cultural activities, to provide stadia and halls in all types of areas in this country where we need cover, especially in weather such as this, to give people facilities so that they might compete against the best in the world, which unfortunately they are not able to do very successfully at the moment. That was the major aspect taken into consideration in the setting up of the lottery. When setting up that lottery and when in Government, we decided that a certain element of the funds should go to the health services, many very desirable elements of the health service which were not being covered. There has been a tendency when the Government come under pressue, and Ministers also, to divert moneys from those areas into a whole range of areas for which the lottery funds were never intended. That is regrettable.

There is one area where a diversion of funds is desirable and that is to support emigrants who are in difficulty. It was quoted to me today that one of the Irish newspapers in Britain printed a comment from an Augustinian priest in Hammersmith that the situation was now desperate. Anybody who has been recently in London or Birmingham will know what he means.

There are thousands of Irish people, not all old or all male, they are men and women and young, sleeping and living out in the open, living rough. Surely there is an onus on us here in this House and on the Government to see that we give those people a considerable amount of support, to bring them back and rehabilitate them in their families and if they do not want to return, to see that they are given a certain level of comfort and accommodation in Britain. All one needs to do is go to any of the mainline stations in London, whether it be Victoria or Paddington, to the underground stations or their environs. Look under any of the bridges, such as Vauxhall Bridge at night and you will see them there in their thousands sleeping rough. Many of them are alcoholics and many are not alcoholics but may be emotionally disturbed through the trauma of emigration and living away from their families. If there is any area where the funds need to be diverted it is towards those emigrants. The sum of £93,000 is a miserly figure to give to all those social centres which are looking after those people, whether it is the Irish Centre in Camden Town, the centre run by Father Kiely in Hammersmith or numerous others in places such as Birmingham, Manchester or Liverpool. It is a miserly sum and whether it is out of central funds or out of lottery funds I do not care but it should be increased. What could be done with £93,000 when one is trying to cater for thousands, and probably tens of thousands of people in distress? It is pitiful. Incidentally, that figure is contained in Vote 40, subhead D.

I am somewhat bemused by the figure in the Estimates for capital expenditure for tourism and transport where there is an increase of £54 million. I am bemused because I repeatedly see in the newspapers that Aer Lingus do not want any extra money from the Exchequer. It is stated in the Summary Public Capital Programme 1989 on page 12 that it is non-voted and that it is for air companies but the increase is £54 million. I would like an explanation for that. Is it all for Aer Lingus and Aer Rianta or is some of it for the independent air companies such as Ryanair? I doubt it very much. I have used the expression in this House before and I will use it again; the public do not want to see the taxpayers' money being used against the best interests of the taxpayers. I would hate to think that what we call national air companies are being given moneys to put independent air companies out of business because that would be totally contrary to the best interests of the taxpayer and of the public in general.

The air fares to and from this country were reduced not because of Aer Lingus but in spite of Aer Lingus. If you want to keep the fares down and if you want to be able to go to London from Dublin for £60, you have got to maintain competition. Remember when Aer Lingus came into this House three years ago and lobbied all the Members in an endeavour to keep their return fare to London at £204; they said it could not be done for anything less but when they had to encounter competition they had to do it for less. Let us not forget that the advent of competition in air travel and air fares has been responsible for the inflow of tourists to this country. I would be extremely annoyed, and so should all members of the public, if they thought that certain companies were to be given preferential treatment and funded by the State so that they could put competitors out of business. Competition is the essence of trade and we must see that it is retained.

Cuireann sé áthas orm cur leis an díospóireacht seo are na Meastacháin, ach de bharr an ganntanas ama atá ann, leanfaidh mé ar aghaidh.

I am pleased to have this opportunity to contribute to the debate on the Estimates. In doing so, I would like to make some broad comments about the Government's economic policy. The proposals made in the Estimates must be seen in the context of the national economy and the restructuring and development programme that has been undertaken by the Government.

The economic and social policy objective are aimed at substantially increasing sustainable employment opportunities as well as generating the wealth and resources necessary to improve the lot of our people. To do this Government policy is designed to control public expenditure and re-establish growth in the economy.

We have addressed the problems of high borrowing, inflation, interest rates and we have created an environment where business, industry and services can plan and develop their enterprises with confidence. Building on that confidence, the development that we require will be achieved by improving the competitiveness of Irish industry and by creating the right conditions for investment and job creation.

In the drive for growth we have adopted imaginative and innovative policies designed to harness the spirit of enterprise. As we move towards 1992 and the completion of the internal market, we must recognise and grasp the tremendous opportunities which that offers. To capitalise on the opportunities which the market will offer we must ensure that what we sell, be it products or services, come from the most efficient cost structures and regulatory arrangements we can devise.

In the tourism and transport sectors we have clearly defined the roles of Government. First, the Government must act as the regulator of the sector. Secondly, as the shareholder of the main companies in these sectors they must ensure that they provide an adequate return on the community's investment in them. I am happy to say that we are beginning to see the results of the imaginative and innovative programmes and policies of which I spoke.

In aviation, for example, the strategy of lowering air fares; providing more capacity on all major routes and encouraging competition is paying handsome dividends. Moreover, the good results on the aviation side are being reflected also in our tourism figures. Access travel is, of course, one of the main keys to improved tourism performance. Therefore, it is essential that our transport policies as far as possible meet the demands of the tourism industry.

I believe we have now got that policy right. As the House will be aware, there have been significant reductions in air fares especially on the UK and continental routes and that a range of highly attractive fares from the US are also available. The result of this strategy has been the spectacular growth in passenger numbers that we have seen.

This year we expect that up to six million passengers will have passed through Irish airports as compared to four million in the same period last year. Few could deny that this magnificent performance demonstrates conclusively that the potential was there, is there and is now being tapped.

An interesting by-product from the strategy of reducing air fares has, of course, been the impact on the performance of Aer Lingus. The reduction in fares levels has been more than offset by increases in passenger numbers. The success of the lower air fares policy is underlined by the fact that the company is now in the happy position of being able to fund its ongoing fleet replacement programme without recourse to the Exchequer. I hope the previous speaker will not get annoyed as he said he might if it was otherwise. The board next year will acquire four new aircraft, two Fokker 50s, two B737s and will lease in a Lockheed 1011 airbus.

The targets for improvements in tourism performance combined with the results over the past two years clearly indicate the need to provide the maximum capacity on the various routes. The new aircraft will meet the demand for that increased capacity when it arises next year. The Aer Lingus acquisition programme clearly demonstrates the company's ability to respond constructively to the market forces as well, of course, as showing the company's commitment to the Government's targets for tourism growth.

It is not only Aer Lingus that have seen and grasped the opportunities. Ryanair are in there too and this company carried its one millionth passenger recently. This year they expect passenger numbers to be of the order of 600,000, double on what they had been in 1987. As well as contributing their share to the growth in this sector Ryanair have, of course, brought the added element of competition to the market — a factor which is essential in helping all to look at cost and operating structures. Only by the constant monitoring of performances in this way can we be sure of having the lean efficient productive operations that bring the levels of development we require.

It would be remiss of me if I were not to mention that the increased passenger numbers have had a tremendous impact also on the fortunes of Aer Rianta. The rate of return being earned by Aer Rianta is very strong and the company must be complimented for the entrepreneurial spirit they show. I say this because it would be easy to sit back and passively accept the benefits coming their way by way of increased passenger numbers. However, they have not been content to sit on their laurels but have gone out and chased the business wherever it might be. In this respect I have in mind particularly their involvement with Aeroflot. As the House may be aware, Aer Rianta now supply a wide range of services to Aeroflot, including the operation of a duty free shop at Moscow, the provision of duty free facilities on all Aeroflot routes, and their most recent venture, the aircraft painting contract at Shannon.

Once again in 1988 Aer Rianta will return a large surplus to the Exchequer. With a throughput of almost six million passengers it is hardly surprising that the board are engaged in a major investment programme covering development and refurbishment at all three State airports. The largest development, a project costing some £32 million, is the provision of a new runway at Dublin Airport together with the relocation of the control tower and State services building at the west side of the airport. At Shannon Airport, too, there is considerable development with the upgrading and extension of the passenger terminal facilities.

The rapid expansion in traffic, the impact of which, I am glad to say, has been felt also at Cork, has resulted in a major upgrading of the facilities there. This has been long overdue in the 25 year life of Cork Airport. I had the pleasure last July of opening phase 1 of the new terminal extension. Up to the end of September passenger numbers increased by over 82,000 or 24 per cent on the same period last year and I am sure that the additional space provided has certainly relieved some of the pressure building.

Of course the extension to the terminal is only part of the extension of the facilities at Cork Airport. On what might be described as the operational side other major investments at the airport include an extension of 1,000 feet to the main runway which has been brought into use within the past week. In the new year it is intended to provide a new instrument landing system and new navigational aids. Also on the drawing boards for installation in the following years is a new modern integrated radar system to replace the existing facilities. We will then have a very low to nil diversion rate from Cork which has bedevilled the region for far too long.

As I mentioned, the technical facilities for Cork I should perhaps emphasise that these are part of a major upgrading programme for all radar, communications and navigational aids facilities in the State costing over £30 million. In 1989 it is expected that £5.5 million will be spent. The renewal programme is timely because it will ensure that the technical capacity of our national airspace is adequate to meet the demands that will be placed on it by the developing commercial operations.

In making sure that the State airports operate to maximum efficiency we have not overlooked the needs of, or opportunities offered by, the smaller local airports. Last August we announced a major development plan for regional airports. This will entail a total investment of £4 million over the period 1988-89 and will ensure that these airports are up to the standard which would meet necessary operational requirements.

It is estimated that improvements in the regional airports could leave them in a position to handle 200,000 passengers on an annual basis. In tourism terms this level of activity could generate revenues of the order of £50 million and create approximately 3,000 jobs. These of course would be additional to the jobs created during the construction phase at the various locations around the country.

I think it can be fairly said that the Government are sparing no effort in providing the facilities to bring the tourists to our doors. The next question, therefore, is the tourism industry itself which has become a national movement with widespread interest and genuine enthusiasm by all our people.

There is now a profound air of optimism within the Irish tourism industry. The new found confidence is not surprising when one considers that, following a 12 per cent growth in overseas numbers last year, we are now heading for a 15 per cent growth in 1988. Such percentage levels of growth have not been seen for many years and are due in no small way to the Government's decision to prioritise the development of the tourism industry.

In the Programme for National Recovery the Government set ambitious targets for tourism for the following five years. The objective is to create an extra 25,000 jobs and to attract an additional £500 million in revenue. To achieve this we will have to double visitor numbers. Many have said that these targets are far too ambitious but with nearly two years behind us we are on course and I am certain that the targets can and will be achieved.

The thrust on tourism has been amply demonstrated over the past 18 months or so through a wide ranging series of innovative measures in the areas of marketing and product development. These include a special marketing programme in May 1987 and in 1988; the development of a more extensive and competitively priced access transport service; and the extension of the benefits of the business expansion scheme to the export tourism sector which up to then had only been available to manufacturing industry. Responses by the industry and investors to this particular initiative have been most encouraging. Bord Fáilte have received some 4,000 inquiries and to date have approved marketing and development plans in respect of 24 projects involving investment of almost £19 million. These cover a broad range of tourism facilities and amenities. A further 15 projects are currently under consideration.

Further innovative measures include the introduction of a £200,000 petrol voucher scheme for the summer of 1987 for UK motorists visiting Ireland; the autumn of 1988 car rental bonus scheme for North American visitors entitling them to a $50 rebate of the cost of car hire and the recent broadening of the scope of the VAT (Refund of Tax) Order, 1986, to enable a greater number of tour coaches to qualify for a reduced 10 per cent VAT rate.

The Government underscored their commitment to encouraging the expansion of conference business by initiating the conference ambassador scheme as part of the £4 million marketing campaign for 1988. This scheme was launched last May by the Taoiseach and was attended by over 1,000 industry executives.

The objective was to encourage these industry leaders to actively promote Ireland abroad as an ideal conference venue. There has been a very positive response to the Government's initiative and we are optimistic that 1989 will show substantial growth in the conference sector of the industry.

The industry has reacted in a most positive and practical manner to these measures by providing additional funds for direct marketing and for the development of the tourism product. Their continued backing for the Government's measures and leadership has again been manifested in their decision to match the Government's recent commitment of a further £5 million for marketing programmes to boost tourist traffic in 1989.

This allocation on top of the £18,227 million grant in aid to Bord Fáilte for 1989, provided for in the Book of Estimates will mean that the Exchequer contribution to the Board's marketing and promotion programme for 1989 will be up £3 million on the 1988 provision. The present Estimate provision underlines the Government's continuing determination to ensure that the tourism growth targets set out in the Programme for National Recovery are realised.

Increased investment by the industry itself in the tourism product and in marketing is crucial, given the global environment in which tourism operates. By the turn of the century it is expected to be the world's largest industry. It is, I hasten to add, one of the most aggressively competitive industries and we must be able to participate in that competition. Not only are the major traditional tourist destinations investing heavily for their share of the business but very many emerging countries now see tourism as a relatively fast way to increase their prosperity by gaining foreign revenue and to increase employment.

The message, therefore, is clear to us all. We must build on the growth that we have seen over the past two years. There can be no room for complacency. We must ensure that our product meets the demands and quality required by the marketplace and be prepared to sell that product effectively. The industry must be sufficiently developed to meet and satisfy the expected growth in the years ahead and must have the flexibility to adapt its products to the changing tastes as well as having the innovative capacity to create new products.

Every effort must be made to extend the season and to attract more customers — both domestic and overseas. One way forward is to provide more all-weather facilities. This year we have given practical recognition to the fact that activity and special interest holidays have become the fastest growing sectors in world tourism. With a generous headstart provided by our natural environment and uncrowded towns and countryside, we have put together our most extensive programme for special interest activities. Our national recreations of golf, angling and horse riding are now the beginning only of a very long list which even includes American Football in Dublin next month when Boston College and the Army hold their annual game. The success of our sports representatives will be of considerable help in that regard.

It is vital to offer tourists a quality service, value for money, hospitality and professional standards of service. A ready smile and a willingness to oblige are essential. By retaining consistently high standards only can we increase our share of the world's fastest growing industry. It is important also to understand the cultural background of our visitors. The shift of emphasis on the part of the Department of Education from the mere literary aspect of languages to their practical usage — particularly German, Italian, Spanish and French — is welcome in that the people servicing our industries should avail of the opportunity to learn these continental languages and understand the cultural background of our visitors. That is now part and parcel of the necessary training for our tourism and catering industries, a welcome innovation.

I should like now to move to surface transport modes, in particular, to the part to be played in our economy by the road haulage industry. Transport has a vital part to play in the completion of the internal market. Ireland's location on the periphery of the Community places us in a most disadvantageous position vis-à-vis access to continental markets. Nevertheless, we have fought long and hard to have our plight recognised by our continental colleagues. I am happy to say that considerable progress was made in the road freight transport are in the course of the Council of Ministers' meeting in June this year.

Of more immediate significance to our haulage industry was the increase in Ireland's quota of multilateral haulage authorisations to 671 for 1988 and to 940 for 1989. The impact of these increases will be appreciated when compared to the 1984 allocation of 88 authorisations. Perhaps I should explain that an EC multilateral authorisation allows the international carriage of goods by road for hire or reward from any member state, by any route, to any other member state. Therefore it will be seen that this increase offers tremendous opportunities for our haulage industry in the context of 1992.

The other major component of the surface transport industry which comes under the wing of my Department is CIE. When public finances have had to be tightly controlled CIE must share the general restraint and accept some reduction in State allocations. The CIE subvention for 1989 — which amounts to £109.884 million — is almost £4 million less than the allocation of £113.605 million provided for the board in 1988. In fact most of the reduction in the CIE subvention is due to the reduction in interest rates on the DART system. CIE are engaged in a continuous programme of reducing costs, rationalising services and marketing their products aggressively. The creation of the three operating companies is designed to ensure generally a more responsive approach to consumer demands.

I am heartened by the balance struck in these Estimates. Balancing the evident control of the public finances our strategy is aimed at stimulating the productive sectors where there is a real prospect of generating the wealth necessary to provide substainable employment.

The Chair should not have any great problem. I know that Deputy Desmond O'Malley indicated yesterday evening that he was hoping to contribute. Deputy Taylor, early on, had words with the Chair. The fact of the matter is that if both Deputy O'Malley and Deputy Taylor are offering, then the arrangement here would give precedence to Deputy O'Malley because of the fact that, since their major speaker, they have not had any, whereas the Labour Party have had one. In those circumstances I must do what is in accordance with the tradition of the Chair in this respect and call Deputy O'Malley.

I apologise to Deputy Taylor but he realises that his party already had a speaker this morning.

To put the Estimates we are now discussing into perspective it is necessary to begin with a quotation from an article entitled "Money Matters" by Mr. Paul Tansey in The Sunday Tribune of 23 October 1988 when he stated the following:

Thus, the level of public spending next year is not being reduced by £311 million, nor by £224 million, nor even by £175 million but by something between £75 million and £125 million on the actual level of public spending in 1988.

For their own reasons the Government have deliberately and dishonestly grossly overstated the extent and significance of these cuts. No doubt there are those who feel that, even at the likely real figure of £75 million, they are still too much. Equally there will be those who would feel that these cuts are quite inadequate. Irrespective of the quantity of the cuts and of the arguments that can be made for or against them there is no question but that the minor savings effected in virtually no case go to the root of the real problem. There is no reform brought about by these Estimates, even the most modest. There is no real change when the overwhelming need clearly is for radical and fundamental change.

All the unsuccessful, long established structures of central, local and agency administrations are left entirely intact, notwithstanding the fact that their inefficiency and unsuitability has been proven time and again. Even where reductions are shown in the Book of Estimates, there is nothing to indicate that the thrust of fiscal policy being pursued makes any contribution to worthwhile economic and political policies.

The approach of the Progressive Democrats has always been that just cutting widely and wildly with a surgeon's knife is not sufficient. Any fool can effect large reductions if he does not care about the withdrawal of vital services. In pruning expenditure, regard has to be had to the three vital factors of social responsibility, economic development and job creation. What we are seeing pays little or no attention to these three prime requirements. In fact, some at least of what is being done severely damages these three objectives without the compensatory factor of a worthwhile or significant reduction in an abnormally high level of public expenditure.

I have consistently advocated the necessity of redesigning the whole mechanism of the State apparatus in this country, its structures and costs, so as to ensure that the objectives of economic development, social equity and employment can be achieved. In other words, we have always sought to ensure that the best possible use is made of taxpayers' money, that borrowing is used for real development and not for paying current bills and that such borrowing, is of its nature, self-liquidating. The control and reduction of public expenditure is not just a mathematical exercise as the Government and some commentators would have us believe. There is, at all times, a paramount necessity to maintain the delicate fabric of the economy and the equally delicate social fabric of a society in which up to one third of the people live in poverty.

These Estimates are incomplete partly because they conceal some of the decisions that have been — or will be — made and partly because the figures to which they are compared are false and over stated. An example, however, of one decision that it has apparently not been possible to conceal has been the incredible decision to increase employers' PRSI on employees' salaries from £16,200 to £20,000. To some people this may not seem a tremendously significant move but to my mind, as someone who has constantly complained about our anxiety to tax employment, it is just about the craziest step that could be taken in a country that has nearly 250,000 people unemployed, another 40,000 or so on largely pointless training courses and a further gross 40,000 plus emigrating each year. What it means in practical terms is that there are now tens of thousands more workers in respect of whom an employer will have to expend £3.29 in order to give them £1 more in their pockets. This makes Irish based manufacturing firms extremely uncompetitive as against those who have the advantage of manufacturing in a country with normal taxation levels. For many firms in difficulties at the moment, this latest idiotic move to increase PRSI will be the straw that breaks the camel's back and will drive more and more of them into liquidation and bankruptcy.

The whole thrust of fiscal policy should be in the opposite direction but there is an equally urgent requirement — and sufficient time has now passed for it to be responded to — for a type of hands on management which will dovetail and eliminate the various different strata of administration of whole sections of State related activities which consume scarce and valuable resources which could and should be devoted to the provision of services rather than just, as it is, to the welfare of the institution administering them. We have, as a result, in our public administration generally, a multi-tiered sandwich consisting of slices of half baked bread with no money left to pay for the filling in the sandwich. We would do better with fewer layers of unnecessary bread and more beef in between. I will give a number of examples in a moment but I want to deal first with the different aspects of the same question.

it is one thing to have unnecessarily complicated and expensive bureaucratic structures in respect of services and activities which the State must undertake, it is another thing to have the State involved, whether efficiently or not, in a whole load of activities where there is neither social nor economic necessity for its involvement. It is time, therefore, that a serious look was taken by the Government — not just by the Progressive Democrats — at the whole question of privatisation and the withdrawal of the State from areas of activity in which it need not operate.

Since the foundation of this party, I have been advocating this. In 1986 we were met with the usual derision but at last there are indications that something, however slowly and haltingly, is beginning to happen. Within recent weeks it appears that the Government are moving towards the selling off of Cablelink which is a valuable subsidiary of RTE but quite unnecessary for the performance of RTE's function. There has also been a move towards selling the Great Southern hotels, on which the State has spent an incredible amount of money over the years, principally in writing off their accumulated losses. We have calculated that it is possible to realise, over a reasonably short number of years, proceeds of about £1,000 million from unnecessary but saleable activities in which the State is involved. If these proceeds are put to the reduction of the national indebtedness the annual saving to the Exchequer will be in the region of £100 million, give or take a bit, depending on current interest rates. Not to take this step — or to delay further in taking it — seems to be inexplicable. We are alone in Europe in declining to divest ourselves as a State of what we do not need.

Even the socialists of the world, from New Zealand to Paris, have been vying with one another in their anxiety to take a step that is a godsend to any hard pressed Government and their Exchequer. The disposal of unnecessary State activities is in many respects even more valuable for us than for other countries for the simple reason that so many of the optional activities engaged in by the State here are seriously loss making. Therefore, the net proceeds of privatisation consist not alone in the consideration realised but also in the annual subsidy that can now be foregone.

The bus services in Dublin are an outstanding example of this. Not alone can the buses and the right to provide the services be sold for a substantial sum, but the ongoing annual subsidy of £20 million or more can equally be foregone. The capitalised value of not having to pay the subsidy is very substantial indeed, with the result that the annual net benefit to the Exchequer of a properly planned programme of privatisation is well in excess of the £100 million which I mentioned earlier.

The employees of privatised firms would be among the first to benefit, as has been proved time and again in other countries, I doubt if anyone would claim that the wages paid to ordinary employees of CIE are attractive. On the other hand, an efficiently run and profitable bus service could afford the payment of very much better wages and the provision of better conditions.

Our local authorities, through no fault of their own, are in a pathetic state. They are minor branch offices of a centralised bureaucracy largely dependent on central funds. As a result of the further cut in the rate support grant, many of them are in imminent danger of breaking down altogether. Their ability to continue to provide services, as they are at present structured and financed, is becoming increasingly doubtful. The question must be asked as to why they are providing many of these services in any event. Is the collection of refuse not something that is well within the capabilities of private contractors working for a fixed fee and taking the risks themselves? Is the repair and maintenance of local authority houses, which is as expensive as it is deplorable, something that is beyond the capabilities of a contractor working to a specification for a fixed sum?

Is it necessary that Dublin Corporation should have had, up to last week, to utilise the services of three men to change one light bulb? I understand that the situation has changed in the past week and it now requires only two men to perform that function, which some might suggest is overstaffing by 100 per cent.

Is it necessary that the State operating by local authorities should have to provide 100 per cent of our roads? The Council of Ministers in the EC within the past week has approved the use of the Structural Funds of the Community in conjunction with private investment. As we know, the grants from those funds have been increased from 55 per cent to a potential level of 75 per cent so far as Ireland is concerned. No Exchequer funding whatsoever is now required to match these funds. The EC has totally endorsed the use of private funds, as one would expect them to do. Why do we, on the other hand, eschew the use of such funds and condemn ourselves for all time to, among other things, the worst roads in Europe? For the State to control certain activities in the public interest, it does not need to own the institutions carrying on those activities. The State does not own any of the Associated Banks but it controls them mostly by way of the Central Bank.

There are many obvious candidates for privatisation. Equally, when one looks at it, there are many other candidates, too, that are less conventional or less obvious. Why, for example, has the registration of land in this country to be a prerogative of the State? Why not set up a consortium of lawyers, accountants, computer people and office managers to run the Land Registry under rules laid down by the State, making charges approved by the State? There is no real reason why some, at least, of our prisons could not be provided and run privately under strict State supervision. Why should the State not buy in the services it provides at present in the OPW? Are not things as diverse as the restoration of buildings and the provision of arterial drainage well within the capabilities of existing specialist contractors? Why should the State employ large numbers of people to provide these services when they can be done more efficently privately? Why should the State and local authorities not buy in their service requirements in respect of architecture, engineering, law and many other services that they provide for themselves at the moment?

To come back to the multi-layered sandwich, we see in the industrial development field often not just duplication but frequently triplication of costs with the extraordinary multiplicity of agencies whose achievements are minimal and hugely costly. The recent report of Údarás na Gaeltachta is a case in point and I do not think it necessary to go into the detail of that which was fully reported in yesterday's newspapers and shows the frightening consequences.

In every Department inevitably the bureaucratic structure will preserve itself at the expense of the recipients of the service and at the expense of the providers of the service at the coal face. The Department of Defence have an elaborate bureaucracy largely untouched by the need to rationalise and largely untouched by the economic situation, but our serving soldiers on the Border, in the Lebanon and elsewhere throughout the service are dependent on the St. Vincent de Paul Society and social welfare allowances to enable them to keep their own and their families' bodies and souls together. I was told recently of the case of a private soldier who did 110 hours of duty on the Border and at the end of that week got £135 for his trouble. Are we now going too far in presuming on the eternal loyalty of such men? Do we take it for granted that they will always be there? Do we think of the consequences if they are not there or are replaced by men who have not the same dedication and loyalty as the present members of the Defence Forces have?

In conclusion, I might mention that these Estimates show a 13 per cent reduction in the grant-in-aid to the Arts Council. Apparently the Arts Council have been told informally that moneys will be made available to the Arts in addition to this sum from the national lottery. It is totally unsatisfactory that the Arts Council or any other statutory body with specific functions to fulfil should be dependent on the whims of individual Government Deputies, which is essentially what the disbursement of national lottery funds amounts to at the moment. How can a body such as this make any plans when their funding is so uncertain and so subjective? They are deeply disturbed at the early likely closure of a number of theatres and art centres throughout the country.

The Belltable Arts Centre in Limerick, if I may be permitted to refer to it, in my own constituency is due to close down in a month's time after providing a tremendous service to the citizens of Limerick and all the surrounding counties and doing a very great deal for the cultural life of that city and region. It is now expected, presumably, to approach some of the wellknown patrons of the arts in the political field in Limerick with its hat in its hand and take its place in the queue and no doubt at the 11th hour it will be bestowed with some generous gesture that, it is to be hoped, will prevent its closure.

(Limerick East): And taken into west Limerick.

Of course, if it was in west Limerick, as Deputy Noonan points out, it would not be closing in a month or anything like it. It probably would be in no danger in this century. It is pretty awful that people who run some amenity like that which is of such obvious benefit to an entire region and to the cultural life of an entire region have to be beholden to certain types of individuals and have to go almost like peasants with cap in hand seeking assistance. An independent board operating according to specified objective criteria as suggested by the Progressive Democrats in our Bill, shortly to be debated here, is the only real solution. If that or something very like it is not done, increasing numbers of people will ask themselves whether it is proper to contribute towards this lottery when its proceeds are so flagrantly abused at a time of great need in our society.

The Government since coming to office have pursued a courageous and relentless policy towards rectifying the national finances. This policy has been highly successful and we now have an economic climate in this country which is excellent for investment. This is something that took a lot of hard work and thought to achieve. We have had a very successful developmental programme because we recognise that there were areas in which this country could create employment. One of those was the area of science and technology and research and development. A sum of £10 million is being provided in 1989 as a grant-in-aid towards the administration and general expenses of EOLAS, the Irish Science and Technology Agency. This is an increase of 3 per cent over the amount provided for 1988.

The agency began its life on 1 January of this year, with the amalgamation of the Institute for Industrial Research and Standards and the National Board for Science and Technology. A lot of hard work over the last nine to ten months has gone into moulding the agency into the vibrant force necessary for the development and application of science and technology and much work still remains to be done. In the Government's view, EOLAS has a particularly vital role to play in industrial development generally and in assisting Irish industry to gear up for the challenges of the 1990s by taking on board the advances being made in science and technology and producing the new quality products which industry needs for success.

As was to be expected, in the amalgamation of two bodies and the creation of a new one there were, and indeed still are, many problems of a structural and organisation nature to be overcome. I would like to congratulate the board and staff of the agency on the way in which they have set about their task and I would like to assure them of my continued support for their work.

This will be confirmed by the fact that I see the agency as the main driving force in the successful implementation of the projects, both ongoing and now being initiated, in the Science and Technology Development Programme, a programme for which the Government will be providing £8.198 million in 1989, an increase of 164 per cent over this year. I would like to give some details now on how the moneys being provided for this programme will be spent.

Deputies will already know of the existence of the National Biotechnology Programme which is operated by a division of EOLAS. The programme was established in June 1987 to commercialise the biotechnology research being undertaken in Irish universities and research institutes. For marketing reasons it has been found convenient to refer to the unit of EOLAS involved as Bioresearch Ireland.

Under this programme three centres were set up during 1987. These are: the National Diagnostic Centre at UCG; the National Food Biotechnology Centre at UCC; the National Cell and Tissue Culture Centre at NIHE Dublin.

The budget for the National Biotechnology Programme has been increased from £1.5 million to £2.25 million in 1989. This extra funding will provide for the establishment of two new centres, one in UCD, the other in Trinity College, namely, the National Centre for Agricultural and Veterinary Biotechnology at UCD; and the National Centre for Pharmaceutical Biotechnology at TCD. The proposed provision of £2.25 million for 1989 is intended to relate both to the needs of the two new centres as well as to the ongoing, and expanded, activities of the three centres already established. It is intended, of course, that in a few years hence — say not more than five years — the entire programme should have become self-financing and the need for support from State funds would no longer arise.

The Advanced Manufacturing Technology Programme was established to help overcome the deficiencies of Irish industry in so far as the quality and sophistication of design and manufacturing equipment is concerned. In 1988 this programme had a provision of £200,000. This was disproportionately small when compared to the magnitude of the problems to be overcome in this field. I am happy to say that a provision of £500,000 has been made in 1989.

There are now four fully functioning research units in AMT based at UCD, TCD, UCG and NIHE Limerick. Each of these units specialises in complementary aspects of AMT: mecatronics, vision and sensors, computer integrated manufacturing and electronics AMT respectively. The expansion of moneys in this programme will assist these centres to build up their equipment and to augment their staffing. I might add that the launching of special programmes for the development of strategic technologies such as biotechnology, advanced manufacturing technology and optoelectronics — to which I will refer later — is a feature of the approach currently being adopted by other European countries to industrial innovation and the enhancement of productivity. I might cite the Netherlands, Denmark, Greece and Finland in that connection.

The Government also introduced a Technology Innovation Programme. The budget for this programme has been increased by 20 per cent from £1.4 million in 1988 to £1.7 million in 1989. This programme comprises a number of elements such as: the South East Pilot Programme; the Teaching Companies Programme; the RTC-Industry Partnership Scheme. These programmes are important for the transfer of technology into indigenous industry. The South East Pilot Programme is also an integral part of Ireland's approach to the proposed new EC STRIDE programme and the expanded Structural Funds. The name STRIDE stands for "Science and Technology for Regional Innovation and Development in Europe" and is intended to link regional development and the development of science and technology within the European Community in a way not previously attempted. I recently hosted a major EC conference in Waterford dealing with the role of science and technology programmes in bringing about greater economic cohesion in the Community. Considerable interest was expressed by the European Commission in our pilot technology programme in the south east region.

The RTC-Industry Partnership Scheme has basically done two things. First, it has provided support for the appointment of industrial liaison officers in RTCs throughout the country. Secondly, it has provided moneys for research teams in the RTCs to conduct joint research projects with local industry. The quality of the applications from the RTCs for this scheme was the subject of very favourable comment by the judging panel this year. It has indicated to me the wealth of talent which is in the RTCs and the real desire of these people to make their contribution to the economic development of their regions. Greater co-operation between the regional technical colleges and the industries in their vicinity is an important — and growing — element in what is usually called — for want of a better term — Higher Education-Industry co-operation. The fostering of such co-operation is not only a major objective of my office; it is essential to our future industrial development and to the enhanced competitiveness that is needed.

We are embarking on some new initiatives under the Science and Technology Development Programme and will be funding four new initiatives in 1989. An allocation of £3.25 million has been made to cover the costs of these.

One of these — the Lough Sheelin pig slurry proposal — has already been the subject of a public announcement by the Minister for Industry and Commerce and by the Minister for Tourism and Transport. As Deputies will have learned, it relates to finding a biotechnology-based solution to the serious pollution of the lakes in the Lough Sheelin area. This project, as the Minister for Industry and Commerce has said, is a very good example of seeking to employ science and technology both to solve a serious problem and at the same time help agriculture and tourism in the locality. As Deputy McGahon rightly mentioned, one can have contamination by pig slurry in any part of the country. If this works in Lough Sheelin we will use it all over the country.

Pigs will fly by then.

The second new proposal relates to a development programme for the Irish contract mouldmaking industry. Mouldmaking, which is defined as the manufacture of tools used in the conversion of plastic into finished components by a process of injection moulding, is an industry which is regarded as being particularly suitable for development in Ireland. Mouldmaking involves once-off production to an individual specification and thus provides little scope for large scale production. The key skills required are the metalworking and tool making. As the material costs involved account only for a small element of overall costs, the industry is both a high skill and high value added area.

The market for mouldmaking, both at home and overseas, has been growing over the past number of years. The Irish market is currently estimated to be worth £13 million, and is expected to grow at a rate of 15 per cent per annum to the end of the century.

Earlier this year an inter-agency group of executives from EOLAS, the Industrial Development Authority, Coras Tráchtála and the ESRI was formed to examine potential developments in this industrial sector. This group's report to myself and to the Minister for Industry and Commerce has led to the initiative in this field.

The IDA, EOLAS and CTT will work together with companies, both on an individual and collective basis, to provide for the development of this sector. This will be done through the co-ordination of existing schemes such as the company development programme, the technology transfer programme, management development grants, the provision of advisory and consultancy services on the application of advanced manufacturing technology in mouldmaking, and an examination of a group marketing scheme.

A central feature of the programme will be the upgrading of the facilities at Sligo Regional Technical College to replace outdated equipment and to ensure that the college is a major training centre for toolmakers and tool designers. This particular step is an essential part of the programme. It should not in any way be seen as a move into the funding of apprenticeship training generally. That of course is for FÁS.

Optoelectronics is now recognised as one of the strategic new technologies of the coming years and one in which there are considerable opportunities for development. The fact is that while many countries are seeking, sometimes through special programmes, to develop a high level of competing in this technology no one country has as yet achieved a dominant position in the way that Japan and the United States have in the market for integrated circuits. What is now envisaged is that an optoelectronics research and development organisation will be formed to commercialise the technological capabilities now available at third level colleges in this country and enable Ireland to get into this growing world market which is now estimated at £6 billion a year and growing at a rate of between 20 per cent and 25 per cent per annum. The management structure for this programme will be based largely on the model of the biotechnology programme and will involve the expertise in our university centres.

It is envisaged that this optoelectronics programme would initially concern itself in designing and developing a range of optoelectronic devices which can be immediately utilised in the telecommunications industry. It would also engage in contract research which, over the life of the programme, will lead to niche products suitable for manufacture is this country. There are already a number of companies established in Ireland which have the manufacturing capability to make these products.

Where are they?

Wait and see. I understand that Telecom Éireann plan to spend approximately £35 million on optoelectronics communications equipment over the next ten years. This is one indication of the potential that exists both for manufacture for home needs and for building a strong Irish capability in this technology of the future.

The Government have also embarked on a technology development programme in small and medium sized enterprises and a provision of £500,000 has been made available for this programme.

The technology development proposal for small and medium sized enterprises, SMEs, aims to confront firms with the consequences of their continuing to ignore technology developments in their sectors: firms will be shown that they must "adapt or die." This will be done using direct visits to firms and through formal technology audits in these enterprises. The technology audit report and recommendations will show each firm in graphic and direct language the immediate actions required to still be in business in 1992.

In the seminars on preparing for 1992, in which the Minister for Industry and Commerce, the Minister of State for Trade and Marketing and myself have taken part throughout the country over the past five weeks or so, technology audits have been highlighted as one of the means by which EOLAS should address the very real problem of enhancing the technological capacity of Irish industry, especially small and medium sized enterprises.

In the first year, approximately 170 companies will be audited. The cost of audits is estimated at £2,000 per company. Companies will be expected to pay 20 per cent of this up front, i.e. £400.

The second phase of the programme, the implementation of the audit findings, will typically require actions such as training of staff, modification to capital equipment and further consultancies. State assistance in support of these actions, e.g. IDA grants, will be available retrospectively on the achievement by the firm of a predetermined target such as attaining an internationally recognised quality standard. The programme will be implemented by EOLAS in consultation with the Industrial Development Authority.

A provision of £500,000 will be made to replace and upgrade essential capital equipment in EOLAS, so as to increase their commercial viability.

The management and administration of programmes will be carried out by EOLAS, in conjunction with my own office, and they will play a key role in the management and administration of all these new programmes. The management of the programmes initiated during the past two years under the science and technology development programme has demonstrated great commitment and skill on the part of those involved. I am therefore confident that the new programmes I have just announced today will be equally successful in advancing and sustaining the economic resurgence now well under way.

One of the tasks at present being worked on with great urgency by EOLAS is the preparation of a strategic plan that would address particularly our industrial development needs for the nineties. I understand from the board that they hope to have completed by the end of the year, a draft of such a plan for consideration in the first place by the Minister for Industry and Commerce and myself. I understand that this plan will seek to identify the future technologies on which Ireland should concentrate and focus the infrastructure on the dual tasks of supporting the development in Ireland of those new technologies and also of raising the level of technology and the innovative capacity of a significant number of existing firms especially indigenous small and medium sized companies.

Within the broad outline I have just given, the issues to be dealt would include a more focused approach to industrial research and development and how to optimise the Irish involvement in the expanding collaborative research programme of the European Communities, under its second framework programme and otherwise.

In the light of a report prepared by the former National Board for Science and Technology, representatives of EOLAS have been discussing over a number of months past the question of an integrated and more tightly focused approach to the question of industrial R and D. I understand that agreement has now been reached on new arrangements that they hope to put in place from the beginning of 1989.

It is an unfortunate fact that the level of Irish expenditure on industrial R and D expressed as a percentage of GNP is one of the lowest among EC countries. Through the efforts of EOLAS and the other State agencies and through increasing involvement in European Communities and other transnational collaborative research programmes that position is I believe now beginning to change. But we have still a long way to go. We need to get a great many more of our industrial companies involved in R and D — both in-house and in European Community programmes. But many firms must first address the problem, as already mentioned, of raising their technological capability and their capacity for innovation and new product development. In that way, apart from enhancing their competitiveness and their ability to survive, their appetite to undertake R and D will also be whetted. It is against such a background that the new science and technology programmes being provided for in the Estimates for 1989 must be seen.

Listening to various Government speakers in the past number of hours one could not be blamed for thinking that the Government and the Government party have withdrawn into a cocoon of their own where they repeatedly reassure each other that everything is going well, that all is fair and that there is nothing to worry about. Unfortunately, anybody who is among the people must be aware of something very different. If we listened to previous Opposition speakers and checked with the media who have been monitoring the situation over the past number of months, and if we checked with the public who are affected by current policies, we would very quickly find a very different meaning to what the Government are doing.

We all accepted and expected that economies would have to be made, and they are being made, but there seems to be a total disregard for the effects of those economies under virtually all budget headings. That is the saddest part of all. For instance, we are faced with the disgraceful spectacle of having the wives of our Army — these men cannot speak for themselves — protest outside the House of Parliament in an attempt to get a meagre increase for their husbands. That is tantamount to a national disgrace. our defence forces, who are called upon time and time again to do very necessary emergency jobs throughout the length and breadth of the country, have to use their relatives to lobby before the House of Parliament to beg for a meagre increase in their salaries, to get them off the breadline and to ensure that they do not have to depend on supplementary welfare or other supplemental income. Having listened to Government speakers one would believe this kind of thing did not exist.

I live in a constituency where there are a large number of people in the Defence Forces. This issue has been brought home very forcefully on numerous occasions over the past six months in particular. I cannot understand why, at this stage, some action has not been taken or why we allow ourselves to be held up to ridicule in front of the world's television and radio, at a time when Government speakers claim we are doing well.

Let us look at health and health services. Let one go into any of our hospitals and speak to any consultant or GP, or to the members of the health boards and ask if they are satisfied with the degree of services at the point of delivery. Everybody, including the members of the health boards, accepted that economies had to be made, and should be made. They even indicated where economies could be made without immediately affecting the standard of service to be delivered to the public. Go into our Lady's Hospital, Crumlin, to the Children's Hospital in Temple Street or any other hospital and ask the staff if they have adequate resources, if there is adequate nursing staff on call at all times, and ask them the number of patients they are expected to cater for at present compared with the number a couple of years ago.

We do not need to remind the Government that when they were sitting on this side of the House they were loud in their condemnation of what they saw as largescale heartless cuts right across the board in the health services. The economies made a couple of years ago were minuscule compared to those now being made, and their effect was a very minor part of the day-to-day running of those hospitals and other health institutions.

We appear to be scaling down the emergency services, the in-patient services, and the surgical and medical bed accommodation in virtually every corner of the country, but no attempt is being made to put in place the community care services which were always regarded as the ultimate in hospital and health services. I cannot understand why nobody seems to have addressed themselves to that aspect of the health services.

I am afraid I could not agree with the Government speakers who come forward with a series of Estimates which appear on the surface to be all right, which probably sound very good at an after dinner speech or at a local cumann meeting, and which will probably gather the troops and increase their resolve to do battle once again, but which do nothing for the people who are immediately affected by the maladministration of the funds which are available. I am not referring personally to anybody involved. It is simply a question of indicating priorities. The priorities must be, and should be, exactly where those services are being delivered to the public. Unfortunately, there are too many grey areas and ultimately the people who suffer most are those at the hospital door and the people in the medical or surgical wards. The people who are expected to provide nursing facilities and services in those hospitals are also suffering. Anybody in the nursing profession will tell you that the number of patients they are expected to cater for at any given time at present is far beyond what could be expected if one were to give an adequate or reasonable service.

Let us take a look at the Estimate for the Department of the Environment. As I have often said, this is one Estimate which affects, without exception, every local authority. The previous Government speaker mentioned the importance of transport and communications in the context of 1992 and thereafter. That is true but it is a pity somebody would not recognise that part and parcel of communication and transport is a proper road network. We hear a lot about a roads authority and what is likely to happen in the future, but unfortunately many people are asking what is being done now.

Nothing has happened in the last 18 months although much was promised. Many of our main and county roads have degenerated to such an extent that they are practically non-existent. Various services have long been withdrawn — milk delivery and collection services, school bus services, ambulance services — in many areas. In my constituency there have been numerous instances where such services have been withdrawn simply because no attention has been given to the very important issue of dealing with main and county roads.

I accept there are block grants. When one puts down a question to the Minister asking what will happen in the future one is told that is the responsibility of the local authorities and that they have a fund from which they can draw, and that it is their own prerogative. We are well aware of that. Unfortunately, we are equally aware of the meagre nature of the funds from which they draw and little or nothing has been done to improve that situation.

I repeat what I have said on countless occasions. There are a number of counties immediately adjacent to this capital city who have to face and accept the pressure of excessive traffic generated by virtue of their location and there has been no recognition, not a single iota of movement in the direction of recognising by way of a special financial allocation, the extra traffic those local authorities have to bear. I am sorry I have to repeat that statement but I will continue to repeat it until it is recognised that something will have to be done. I would not be doing my job properly if I did not raise this issue again and again. The former Minister for the Environment, who has been much maligned by those in Government, made an attempt to give recognition to local authorities by allocating a grant which was commensurate with the amount collected in rates or service charges. That grant gave local authorities an incentive to do something for themselves and to spend money on main and county roads.

The education policy of the Government has received a lot of attention in recent times. If one tables a question to the Minister for Education one does not receive a positive reply. I put a question to the Minister about the quota of teachers available to the VEC in my constitutency and the reply I received was to the effect that the quota was in accordance with the request from the committee. I was told that everything was in order. That is far from the case but it is a typical example of what is happening. The local VEC have lobbied public representatives and told them that they require at least two more teachers if they are to be able to provide a proper service. We also have had difficulties in regard to the primary school sector. Last week I stressed the need for an extra teacher in a school in my constituency, as I did last year. The appointment has since been made after a lot of delay but I should like to know why the Department should demean themselves by being mean and tightfisted about such an issue, particularly when the appointment is made eventually. Had the Department acceded to the request in the first instance they would have generated some goodwill in the community. I am referring to the senior school in Confey near Leixlip. That is not an isolated incident.

The distribution of the funds of the national lottery has been referred to by many Members and I do not intend to dwell on that topic. I should like to congratulate those who have received an allocation from the national lottery but I do not think the system is as fair as it should be. Deserving organisations who have been involved in voluntary work for many years should be given financial assistance from the lottery funds, but, unfortunately, many of them have been passed over. I notice that in response to probing parliamentary questions, and letters, some organisations have been told that applications from them did not exist in the Department. I am sorry to hear that because I would have expected that a careful record would have been kept of all applications. There should not be any possibility of an application being lost or mislaid. I hope we do not hear of any further such losses.

On the Vote for Agriculture and Food, Deputy Deasy referred to the reduction in grant-in-aid to CBF by £415,000. That is a significant drop particularly since levies were increased little more than six months ago to replenish the funds of CBF and ensure that they embarked on a marketing drive. It is sad that the Minister has cast his pen, or a more blunt instrument, over that subhead and withdrawn some of the money from CBF. That amounts to a shortsighted policy that is not in the interests of a vital export industry. It is the duty of CBF to market Irish beef products abroad and they must compete with others who may not have Ministers looking over their shoulders watching every penny spent in the promotion of their products. That is a serious matter and the Minister should not have allowed a reduction in the grant-in-aid to CBF. He should have told the Department of Finance that that area could not bear a reduction in the amount of the allocation.

I should like to ask the House to compare the allocation to CBF with that for office premises and expenses. There has been an increase in the latter of 43 per cent. Admittedly it is 43 per cent of £911,000 but the increase is still significant. It is ridiculous to see an increase under that subhead when there has been a cut in the allocation to CBF. It is generally accepted that if we must cut we are more likely to get away with it in the area of administration rather than services. I am disappointed that the Minister for Agriculture allowed that cut to take place. I note that research and testing will be increased by 70 per cent. That is acceptable and progressive. However, there is a decrease of 39 per cent on £434,000 for improvement of livestock at a time when the Minister is stressing the importance of a quality product. Surely the obvious way to get a quality product is to ensure that our testing is adequate. If we are talking about a sales pitch in the agri-industry we have to produce the type of animal that consumers will buy. The way to do that is to spend money on testing and research. We must improve the quality of the national herd. If we do not we will suffer in the international arena.

Other Members referred to a growth in the tourist industry. I accept that there has been growth but it was not as significant as some Members would have us believe. There is confusion between tourism and emigration. In some quarters the same people are being counted twice. They leave the country and they are tourists going abroad. When they come back for their summer holidays they are tourists returning home and when they go back again they are tourists returning to their place of work. There is something very seriously wrong with the manner in which figures are being presented in relation to tourism and emigration. This has been denied before but I do not accept such a denial. Every town and parish in the country has suffered to a great extent the rigours of emigration to an extent that has not been witnessed since the forties and fifties. I speak from personal experience and I am sure every other Member of this House can say the same: I have seen those people come back home for a couple of weeks during the summer and again at Christmas. That is something I have not seen since I was a small boy. I hope that this trend of emigration will not continue.

Government speakers reassure themselves that everything in the garden is rosy and everything is going well, but that is not the case. I implore the Government to consider the effects of some of their policies and to rejig their Estimates where possible to ensure that at least the most deserving cases are met.

Roinn na Mara was established to enable the full potential of our marine economy to be utilised and exploited and in the past year a number of major developments have taken place in that regard. The Government's Programme for National Recovery has identified sea fisheries as being capable of generating more wealth through increased output, employment and exports. A plan for the accelerated development of this sector has been agreed and published and the programme for its realisation has been launched. Aquaculture in Ireland, though a relatively young industry, is now going through a rapid phase of development. I have established the necessary support frame work in respect of the designation of areas, the issuing of licences and the provision of support services so as to facilitate and encourage the continued expansion of this exciting industry.

We are working toward the rationalisation of inland fisheries and are putting the funding and the development of the industry on a more sound footing. We have set up a programme for the systematic investigation of the marine environment with a view to ensuring that the high quality of the environment continues to be maintained and protected. I have directed that a programme to enhance marine safety be put in place. I have Government approval for the establishment of a marine institute which will bring together under one body the activities carried out by a wide range of Statefunded organisations. The heads of a Bill for the statutory establishment of the institute have been approved by the Government and have been sent to the parliamentary draftsman for preparation of the necessary legislation.

In the Programme for National Recovery, the Government put particular emphasis on the potential of the fishing industry to generate growth in the economy. The Government's programme recognised that a properly planned approach to the exploitation of our sea fisheries was essential and offered a very significant opportunity for economic expansion and job creation. The Government's central objective is the creation of lasting new employment. This requires sound budgetary and fiscal management. It also requires selective development policies for key sectors. The sea fishing industry and aquaculture was one of the key sectors targeted for special attention in the Programme for National Recovery.

We have now completed and published a development strategy for the sea fisheries industry and launched an ambitious programme for the full realisation of the industry's potential. Significant benefits will accrue to the Irish economy from the successful implementation of this strategy. We aim by 1991 to virtually double fish production; to more than double exports and to create 4,400 new full time and part time jobs. It is the Government's intention that the plan will revitalise all sectors involved in fishing and, above all, install a new confidence and competitiveness into the industry.

I reject the allegations that have been made by the Fine Gael that this is a sham. That misinformed, ill-advised kind of comment is unnecessary and unhelpful at this time. It demonstrates a clear lack of knowledge of what is contained in the plan and ignorance of the facts of the situation. It shows a lack of realisation of the widespread commitment and support we have got from every sector of the industry for the plan which we launched a few days ago. Fine Gael should reconsider their position on that because it is an excellent plan and one for which we would like their support rather than this off-the-cuff comment that the plan is a sham. It is not a sham. The objectives are attainable. The industry supports it and I have no doubt that it will be a huge success in spite of this ill-advised comment we have heard in recent days.

The plan covers a whole range of activities. One of the key strategies in the plan will be the whole modernisation of the fleet which is essential. We have a fleet which is in need of modernisation. It has a very high age profile. It is necessary to improve its productivity and its profitability by modernising it and this is dealt with in the plan.

The fish processing industry is a vital element in any strategy for this area. Supplies have been a major constraint to the development of the sector. It is intended to pursue every possible means of increasing the availability of fish — quota fish, non-quota fish, fishing in third country waters, imports and aquaculture. All these combined will make it possible to maximise the supplies to the country's fish processing industry. Through a sound marketing policy we will expand fish landings, develop secondary processing and provide further opportunities for sound jobs especially in the coastal districts. Naturally this type of planned development will entail a very significant level of investment by the industry. The Government for their part will help to stimulate this investment through the provision of Exchequer financing and assistance. BIM's allocation for 1989 has been increased by £1.7 million which demonstrates the Government's commitment to the industry. We are backing up what we are saying in the plan with the financial resources to enable it to be implemented and to carry out the work that needs to be done.

Central to the plan is that we operate under the common fisheries policy. The single most important element of the policy from our point of view is, of course, the quotas or shares available to the Irish fishing fleet. The quotas secured in December last year, after difficult and long negotiations, provide for the continued development and expansion of the fishing industry. Management régimes have been introduced in respect of a number of sensitive stocks. These are designed to provide for fair and equitable distribution of the allocations.

There has been quite a lot of misunderstanding and misrepresentation about the situation in relation to quotas. Quotas relate to conservation and conservation relates to ensuring that we provide for the protection of stock for future generations. Anyone who at this time does not recognise that some of the traditional stocks on which we have been depending are under threat because of over-fishing is living in a fool's paradise. The traditional varieties and species on which the Irish industry has been founded are all under severe pressure. If we allow a situation to develop where the stocks will be over-fished and there will not be sufficient stock replenishment we will be putting the future livelihood of many people in the fishing industry in jeopardy. We cannot afford to do that and neither can the industry.

We are asking for the support of the fishing industry and we are getting it in a broad way. We want the industry to continue to work with us in managing our fisheries because management, conservation and quotas are essential for the long-term survival and prosperity of the people involved in the fishing industry. It is vitally important that the fishermen, rather than anybody in Government Departments or politicians, undertake stock management and stock controls. It is vital for their own security, for the security of their families if they want to stay in the business and for the security of the industry itself. I cannot emphasise often enough the importance of fisheries conservation and fisheries management and the co-operation of the fishermen who will be the first to suffer if we fail to take the necessary steps to protect our fisheries stocks. That is what quotas are about.

Deputies will be aware of the difficulties experienced over the years by the Irish authorities arising from the activities of the so-called "flag of convenience" vessels. The promoters of such vessels were no real contribution to the Irish economy but rather their activities generate deep resentment among genuine Irish fishermen. I have pursued this matter vigorously both in the national and European Courts and was greatly encouraged by a decision of the European Court of Justice which found in our favour some time ago. In addition, I have raised the matter on several occasions at Community level and pressed for a solution on a Community-wide basis, which is in my view essential if we are to find an effective and lasting solution to this problem. I was, therefore, very happy when my colleagues and I, at the Council of Fisheries Ministers on 23 October 1988, agreed on a regulation to deal with this problem.

This decision almost went unnoticed. It had been called for for many years as there had been a great deal of difficulty especially in the south-west with regard to it. I wish to direct the attention of the industry to this decision. At last after protracted negotiations over a long number of years both in the Commission and in the courts we now seem to have found a solution. We will keep a very close eye on this. Our failure to tackle the problem of the "flag of convenience" arrangements which were working up to the time that I took office was undermining confidence in the fisheries industry. It was threatening the livelihood of the people involved and was certainly very damaging to the future of the industry. Now we have come to grips with that problem and we will ensure that this unsatisfactory aspect of the Common Fisheries Policy is finally dealt with.

I referred earlier to aquaculture. It is a relatively new industry which has been making remarkable progress in recent years. The particular strength of fish farming is that it gives opportunities for development and for employment in areas which are often lacking in them. In addition, it draws on a unique natural resource which is provided by our still relatively unpolluted coasts.

Policy in relation to aquaculture is, in the broadest sense, to maximise its contribution to the task of national recovery in terms of output, jobs and exports in a manner which is consistent with the maintenance of a clean environment. The principal measures which I am putting in place in order to achieve this objective include the provision of a sound legal framework for the development of the industry through the designation of areas for aquaculture under the Fisheries Act, 1980, and the licensing of projects within those areas consistent with their ecological carrying capacity. In the 1989 Estimates we have an increased provision for holding inquiries, as part of the designation process.

There have been some complaints that the slowing down of the designation of areas has hampered the development of the industry and has led to the hold up of a number of applications and a number of viable projects which could go ahead. It is hoped to speed up the designation process this year and I have provided the necessary finance to enable us to do that.

We are also working in liaison with the EC Commission in order to maximise assistance for the development of aquaculture. In addition we are working with the industry to ensure that the applications to Brussels are properly presented and supported so that they have the possibility of success. We have to bear in mind that they have to compete with projects from other member states who are also paying a great deal of attention to this area. It is important from our point of view that our best projects are properly presented and supported by the necessary documentation to enable us to qualify for the EC funding.

The main trust will be to promote the production of priority species — salmon, trout, oysters and mussels which are felt to offer the best prospects for commercial success.

We expect to achieve an output level in aquaculture by 1991 which will be worth £71 million. We think this target is achievable and will encourage jobs and economic prosperity. This will encourage not only the provision of jobs in the aquaculture area but will provide jobs in a whole range of service areas connected with it.

I want to assure the House that the policy that the Department are following with regard to aquaculture is that aquaculture develops in harmony with other water users and not in opposition to them. I wish to repeat here that commercial fish farms will not be allowed in what have been traditional wild salmon and trout fisheries. This has been an area of contention for some time. We had a situation in the Department where a number of applications were pending for commercial fish farms in what were traditionally wild salmon and trout fisheries. In the past year I, together with the Department, took the first positive steps to put a stop to that. We indicated that we would not support, encourage or license commercial fish farm operations in what were traditional wild salmon and trout fisheries. In spite of all the assurances we have given we still find that our position has been misrepresented in that regard. No matter how often we repeat these assurances, they seem to fall on deaf ears, but let me repeat, lest there be any misunderstandings, that commercial fish farms will not be allowed in what have been traditional wild salmon and trout fisheries.

We have been able to use the money from my Vote, through our promotional agency, to prime an industry which has the possibility of developing a momentum of its own and which has important linkages with other sectors in the economy in terms of the supply of cages, feed and other inputs. This generates other employment opportunities. Recently I was at the launching of a boat in Wicklow which was being used for fish farming on the west coast. This is an excellent development for the boat yard and is a support service for the aquaculture industry.

Would the Minister tell me what is the definition of a commercial lake?

I did not refer to a commercial lake. I think the Minister of State yesterday was talking about commercial fish farms in traditional wild salmon and trout lakes. I think that is simple enough.

The Minister of State talked about a commercial lake.

I think the Deputy was trying to confuse the Minister of State at the winding up of his speech yesterday afternoon. The Deputy is trying to do the same to me. I think the Deputy is a bit confused.

I would suggest to the Minister that he should not fall for the entreaties and the guile of his colleague from Clare.

There is no need to worry, he never has.

The Department of the Marine's campaign to radically improve the image and status of Irish fish and fishery products both nationally and internationally was launched by me in 1987 and continued and intensified during 1988. It is planned to build further upon and consolidate the considerable progress and gains we have made to date. We are embarking upon new quality standards; and the advanced sampling and testing protocols covering fish exports already fully comply with what is at this stage only a proposal by the Commission as part of their plans to harmonise the fish health laws governing intra-Community trade.

While the preparation of new national hygiene and quality legislation by the Department of the Marine is now well advanced, of equal importance for the industry here will be the impact of the various proposed new EC regulations and directives governing fish and fish health. I wish to repeat, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, we are far advanced in terms of Community directives and we propose to take measures and to introduce new legislation to improve the quality standards that are essential. We are working in co-operation with the industry who are very supportive of our stand.

In line with our policy of improving the quality standards, the Department have already finalised arrangements designed to put the national ice supply network on a firm footing around our coastline. The provision of ice and facilities of that nature are essential if we are to get the best possible value from our fish catches. We believe that the availability of ice to fishermen nationally is essential and will ensure that the quality of the product will be enhanced significantly during 1989.

As I said about inland fisheries yesterday, there is a general acceptance that this resource has tremendous potential for development and will provide tremendous back-up support for the tourism industry as well.

During the past year we have consistently urged all those who are interested in and who have benefited from inland fisheries to co-operate fully with the fisheries boards with a view to protecting, conserving, developing and improving the resource. I am again appealing for that now.

The Government's objective of setting up a single administrative planning unit for all harbours — commercial and fishery — has been largely achieved by the integration of the harbours division of the former Department of Communications and the fishery harbours division of the new Department of the Marine. The objective will be fully realised in January, 1989 with the transfer of Dún Laoghaire Harbour and the major fishery harbours at Howth and Dunmore East from the Office of Public Works to my Department. I am confident that the centralising of control will facilitate the orderly development of our harbours and will result in the best use of natural resources and limited funds.

However, the Government decision that European Regional Development Fund assistance may now be sought for public sector entities other than the Exchequer is already proving of major benefit to future necessary harbour development. The Commission of the European Communities has recently approved commitment in regional aid totalling £3.5 million for two projects in Cork and Dublin harbours. I have asked harbour authorities to submit further necessary harbour development projects to me and a number of these projects are under consideration in my Department with a view to having them included in the national development plan which Ireland is required to submit to the European Commission in order to qualify for assistance from reformed and enlarged Structural Funds.

Drogheda was mentioned. We have already provided the capital money for the town for this year. A major part of the work on harbours this year has been done in Drogheda. As the Deputy knows I visited the town and was enlightened by him as to the necessity for its development. We recognised that necessity and provided the money. The work is about to get underway there and the finished project will provide a major instrument by which it will be possible to create new economic prosperity and job opportunities in Drogheda. I hope that project will proceed as quickly as possible.

I would remind the Minister that he has only one minute left.

I have circulated a script which covers a whole range of other activities with which we in the Department are involved showing very clearly that in the short time since the Department was established we have made great progress. As Deputies are aware, establishing a new Department is not like walking into a Department already in existence. We had to do a lot of reorganisation in the Department bring together the various section scattered in other agencies and bodies. We have now completed the reorganisation of Roinn na Mara. We have a very competent Department capable of responding quickly to the demands placed on us. Anyone who cares to examine the records of the Department will have to admit that we have made fairly major advances in the short time since we were established. We will continue to make advances during the coming year. I look forward to the co-operation of the Deputies and I thank them for their co-operation during the past year.

I am glad of the opportunity to contribute to this debate tonight. I am disappointed with the Government's presentation of the Book of Estimates. On investigation the figures do not add up. Independent commentators are claiming in banner headlines that the cuts of £300 million do not add up and that a third of that figure would be much closer to reality. The last thing we should do in this House is to mislead the people with regard to what we are trying to do to reorganise our finances. It took years of Fine Gael Government to convince the people that we were living beyond our means and that it could not go on. We got very little support from the then Opposition for our view. I was not in the House during that period but I was involved in local politics and was fully aware of what was happening. When the people finally accepted that we could not continue with the wilful waste of public moneys and the policies followed from 1977 to 1981 in which we tried to spend our way out of our difficulties, which had led us to a crisis in the economy at the end of 1979-80, this minority Government with our support produced a budget in 1987 and another in 1988 but they now find that they have not the heart to continue and complete the job and restore the nation's finances to the sound footing which would enable us to take the opportunities that lie ahead in 1992. A number of our spokesmen have highlighted the serious problem that has arisen with regard to these Estimates and we now must be wary as to how the budget will be presented.

I am very concerned about the budget and especially about education. The Minister said that in the area of education, languages would be a high priority in her proposals and she promised that teachers would be available to teach the modern continental languages of French, German and Spanish. That is not the case. In a vocational school in Cavan which my children attend, French has been dropped from the lower grades because a teacher is not available. We have made representations to the Minister to make a teacher immediately available to that school so as to restore that very important language for our children if they are to be able to take the opportunities that will present themselves in an enlarged and more open Europe. If that is happening in the school of which I am aware, I presume it is happening in other schools throughout the country.

In national schools there is a deplorable amount of hair splitting. I know of a case where a school bus was withdrawn in a very rural area in County Cavan because they were short of one pupil. That is not good management nor is it the way to make education available to all our children whether they be in rural Ireland or in the cities. The same opportunity should be available to all children but that is not the case. Many of the children in the school catering for children from Clifferna and Stradone live four miles from the school and they have to travel to school on very bad roads. They are being deprived of this necessary service.

I fault the Government on the day to day management of the schools. This area is breaking down and is causing disquiet among the people. In another national school in Annayalla in County Monaghan a teacher has been withdrawn because the school was short one pupil. The school in question is very old and dilapidated. A prefab was added to it some years ago to alleviate bad conditions. About 30 pupils were put into this prefab because some of the rooms in the old school were not suitable. Because the school was short one pupil the children were taken from the prefab which was then closed and they are now all cramped into the old school in unhygienic, unhealthy conditions. The teachers cannot operate effectively because there are no aisles between the desks to allow access to the children at the back of the class. I made representations to the Minister, to no avail, to have that teacher restored.

In relation to the environment, there is a major problem in the way the Government's priorities are being thought out. It is obvious that the Government have no policy with regard to county roads. There is a total breakdown of infrastructure in the constituency I represent and from talking to Deputies in this House I know it is widespread. In Cavan and Monaghan we have no means of transport other than by road. Services are breaking down. Many school bus drivers, for instance, are reluctant to travel some of the roads and have threatened to withdraw service. Likewise services from commercial businesses to households are being withdrawn. People are being asked to come in and collect their goods because it is no longer profitable for commercial businesses to make deliveries in the counties of Cavan and Monaghan.

We have a very important dairying industry where a system of bulk collection has been developed, but there are umpteen cases where bulk tankers cannot gain access to farms to collect milk on a daily basis but only two or three times a week. The cost of breakdowns makes a daily service impossible. This is a serious problem in a county which is so dependent on agriculture, the primary industry of a country as a whole.

The state of rural cottages and pre-fabs is a major problem. We have sent numerous requests to the Department of the Environment for finance to build rural cottages and to make some small improvements to the pre-fabs, quite a number of which exist in our county. We have been refused the extra funding, yet I heard the Minister for the Environment say today that there is no problem with regard to housing. If there is no housing problem in the towns and cities, there is certainly a major problem in the rural areas of Cavan and Monaghan. The Minister's claim that the housing programme is well ahead is not based on any increased Government expenditure but is due to the number of young people who have left the country owing to the policies being pursued by the Government.

I now turn to the Vote for Agriculture. The Government are failing to back up the substantial grants available from the EC for the western package and farm improvement programmes. Obviously there is a major cutback in these areas. We have heard much today about the need for drainage because of the flooding which has occurred all over the country, but no grants are now available for farm drainage under the western package. We are not taking advantage of the moneys available from the EC because we are not prepared to match that money pound for pound. If we were prepared to negotiate I believe we could possibly get a 70 per cent refund.

I now turn to the thorny problem of our application to have the whole of Counties Cavan and Monaghan included in the severely handicapped areas. The Estimate shows a reduction in the amount being made available to match the moneys which can be made available under the scheme. This leads me to believe that the Government do not intend to pursue that application this year. This is tragic because it is costing the economy of County Cavan an estimated £2.5 million or £3 million per annum. A sum of between £700 and £1,000 per farm has been lost in headage payments because the Government have not pursued the application which was made initially by Deputy Deasy. It was subsequently withdrawn and submitted again by the current Minister for Agriculture and Food in what I believe to be a watered down version. We have not been given the details of that application but I know it is not being pursued and that much needed finance is being lost which would boost the economy of County Cavan.

We have a serious problem with regard to cross-Border trade. There is a regular flow of traffic, particularly for the purchase of petrol. Any little effort towards reducing the price differential between North and South would, I believe, stop that flow of traffic. It must come about by 1992 but why should we wait until the eve of 1992 to introduce this change? Why not move gradually towards it and give the garages who are dependent on petrol sales the opportunity to survive? It is unfortunate that when people travel North they then decide to do their shopping there and an amount of money is being spent unnecessarily across the Border.

Another problem is the smuggling of red diesel and home heating oil on a major scale. I have been advised by reputable oil dealers that the problem could easily be solved by the introduction of a dye in the red diesel and home heating oil being used on this side of the Border and that this would put an end to the racket. I compliment the Minister, the Garda and the Customs officials who stopped the racket whereby red diesel was being bleached.

There is bogus vodka today.

I do not wish to be uncomplimentary to the Customs officials but it is quite noticeable that trucks are travelling across the Border quite openly on all the main roads day and night and no effort is being made to stop them.

Deputy Boylan has travelled into his time to the extent that he has only five minutes remaining.

I did not feel the time passing. I promised to make some time available to my colleague, Deputy McGahon.

The Minister will give me a few minutes.

I would rather have the Deputy before me than after me.

If the House agrees, Deputy Boylan may give up his remaining time. It is agreed.

There are some other points I should like to have made but there will be another opportunity.

Deputy McGahon will have to demonstrate in his own inimitable style that he can do in five minutes what other people can do in 20 minutes.

I used to be able to do it quicker. I am grateful to you and to Deputy Boylan for the opportunity to come here as I have done for the past six years to lament the forgotten county of Ireland, County Louth. It is the county that nobody gives a tinker's dam about, either in this Government or in the previous Government. No county has suffered as badly as Louth over the past 20 years and the unemployment figures in Dundalk bear testimony to that. The unemployment rate in Dundalk is 32 per cent, the highest in Ireland. The national average is 18 per cent. There are people in Dundalk who say that America has Ronald Reagan, Johnny Cash, Bob Hope and Stevie Wonder, while Ireland has Charlie Haughey, no cash, no hope and no bloody wonder. That sums up the attitude of all Governments in the recent past, certainly in the six years I have had the privilege of representing the unfortunate people of County Louth.

The most recent major crime against these unfortunate people was the decision by this Government that County Louth should no longer qualify as a Border county for EC classification. The decision is indefensible and inexplicable. That can only be explained by a psychiatrist. County Louth, the foremost Border county which everybody from here to Strasbourg knows has suffered so desperately as a result of economic policies pursued by different Governments and as a result of the Ulster troubles, has been dropped as a Border county and, incredibly, included as a midland county. That has been done to make way for County Sligo, which is 28 miles from the Border. That Tammany Hall political decision is an example of how little the Fianna Fáil Government care about the people of County Louth.

My two constituency colleagues contributed. Deputy Kirk spoke of mushroom growing. What will that do for the 4,200 unemployed people in Dundalk? Deputy Dermot Ahern, my other colleague, spoke of the good news of the Irish economy but he had no news for the unfortunate people in his own county. He could have given a weather forecast of icy blasts to continue against the unfortunate and hapless people who live in that neglected area. I have been consistent over the last six years in coming here and, when it is warranted, attacking my own Government for their failure to address the problem in that area.

Perhaps the Deputy would now bring his remarks to a close.

I call on my colleagues to have the political guts to put the people whom they represent, their constituents, first and not the narrow interests of their own political parties. I echo the sentiments of my Border colleague, Deputy Boylan, in pointing to the tremendous level of cross-Border smuggling which is a huge haemorrhage on our very slender resources. I ask the Government to do something for the legitimate traders who continue to struggle to exist against very difficult odds in the Border region.

I am pleased that I have this opportunity to speak about the Justice group of Estimates. I am responsible for six Votes in all. Between them the Votes account for some £375 million out of a total of £6.226 billion for the net Estimates for the Supply Services. As such, they are quite an important element in the Government's plan to strengthen the public finances. Each of the six Votes shows a single figure percentage increase in the provision, as compared with the provision for this year. Overall, the increase is in the order of 2 per cent.

The overall net Estimates provision for the Garda Síochána in 1989 is £277,240,000, which represents an increase of 2 per cent on the 1988 allocation of £273,053,000. Salaries, allowances and overtime account for some £210 million of this amount and the superannuation provision is £44.6 million. The other major items are £9.36 million for travelling, subsistence, compensation and miscellaneous expenses, £6.84 million for Garda transport, £3.79 million for the purchase, rental and leasing of radio, computer and other equipment, £5.12 million for postal and telecommunications services, £3.56 million for station services and £1.75 million for uniforms and accessories. The provision for Garda overtime in 1989 is £7.65 million, as compared with an allocation of £8.3 million this year.

The provision for salaries and allowances allows for the resumption of recruitment to the Garda Síochána in 1989. A recruitment competition is already under way, from which it is proposed to make up to 1,000 appointments to the Garda Síochána over the threeyear period 1989 to 1991. Applicants have undergone written tests and the results of these tests are expected before the end of next month. Interviewing of the candidates is expected to commence early in the New Year and the first group of trainees are expected to be appointed during the spring. The new recruits will be the first to undergo the new training system approved by the Government. The new system takes into account the recommendations of the Walsh committee, who are conducting a review of all aspects of Garda training, in particular the recommendation that training should be ongoing over a period of two years.

The maximum economies have to be made again this year in all areas of expenditure on the Garda Síochána. The provision for communications shows a reduction of £400,000 on the 1988 allocation. This reflects the spin-off by way of greater efficiencies in the use of telephones which is attributable to recent capital investment in new telephone systems. The reduction of £500,000 over this year's allocation for uniforms is in keeping with the reduced demand for uniforms now that the initial period of high expenditure necessary to outfit the force in their new uniform is coming to a close. The reduction in the provision for Garda transport, £810,000, reflects a saving of £500,000 in the allocation for the purchase of vehicles for the Garda fleet and the abolition of an annual payment to the Department of the Environment in lieu of motor tax on the Garda fleet. The 1989 allocation also reflects a reduction in the price of petrol.

Very good.

In relation to Garda accommodation, a major development programme designed to bring accommodation at the Garda Training Centre in Templemore up to modern standards has been approved and the initial phase — the demolition and clearance of old and dilapidated buildings — is already under way. The actual construction and refurbishment element of the programme will be getting under way early next year and is expected to be completed within three years. The modernisation programme will provide single bedroom accommodation, new classrooms and a range of other necessary facilities bringing accommodation at the training centre up to the standards required of a modern police college.

A sum of £1.75 million is provided in the Capital Programme for the Garda national communications network project and this amount is sufficient to cover the expenditure which will arise at this stage of the project. The network consists of three phases. These are (1) the system for the 18 divisions outside the Dublin Metropolitan Area; (2) the system for the Dublin Metropolitan Area; and (3) a microwave system to link all divisional headquarter stations with each other and with Garda headquarters. Phase I has been fully in operation for over the past two years. The radio element of phase 2 is due to come into operation very shortly and this will be backed up by a sophisticated computerised command and control system which is scheduled to come into operation early next year. As regards phase 3, work on the planning of this system is already under way and it is expected that some expenditure will be incurred on it next year.

The Estimate includes adequate provision to meet the non-capital expenditure which will arise next year in respect of Garda computer projects. The provision of £240,000 in the capital programme will allow further significant development of new computer systems for the Garda Síochána.

In deciding on the Estimate's provisions for the Garda Síochána for the coming year, the Government were acutely aware of the vital importance of the police service to the community. While there is a continuing need to restrict expenditure on the Garda Síochána Vote to comply with overall public expenditure targets, the necessary economies are being applied in such a way as to maintain essential police services at the best possible level and to ensure that the operational efficiency of the Force remains unimpaired. I am satisfied that the Estimate's provisions for the Garda Síochána in 1989 will allow all essential policy requirements to be fully met and that the Garda Síochána in common with the other areas of the public service will continue to respond to the need to get our public finances back in order.

The primary function of the Garda, of course, is the prevention and detection of crime. The purpose of the Government's investments in the Force is to fight crime and to maintain order. The Garda, and indeed our whole community, have for some years now been faced with a very serious challenge posed by increased violence and organised crime. I have no wish to play down the seriousness of the crime problem. Far from it. However, I do believe that it is important to keep the situation in perspective. The fact of the matter is that over the past four years the trends have been encouraging. Between 1984 and 1987 the level of recorded indictable crime in this country fell by about 17 per cent. In referring to these trends I and my predecessors have been at pains to emphasise that they give no cause for complacency and that the extent of the problem that remains to be tackled must never be underestimated for one moment.

Preliminary indications are that the level of recorded indictable crime has risen somewhat in the first eight months of this year particularly in the Dublin area. The figures are only provisional as yet and it is important to bear in mind that statistics on the incidence of crime over relatively short periods of time are only of limited value as indicators of long term trends. However, the figures do give cause for concern and I want to assure the House and the public that crime trends are being continually monitored by the Garda authorities and that they are regularly evaluating and adapting their strategies for the prevention and detection of crime to meet those trends.

I have every confidence that the Garda will continue to achieve the very considerable degree of success they have had in dealing both with crime in general and with certain types of crime. A particularly serious threat to our society is posed by armed raids.

A good example of successful Garda activity in this respect was the surveillance operation mounted late last year which resulted in a number of targeted criminals being dealt with by the courts and receiving significant custodial sentences.

I am of course pleased with such success. However, we must never lose sight of the fact that the best solution to crime is crime prevention. I am pleased that I am in the position to continue to support Garda crime prevention policies. The Estimate provides for 28 crime prevention officers — ten in the DMA and 18 in other divisions. These officers are available to give advice to the public on how to reduce the chances of success for the would-be burglar, vandal etc. by taking simple but effective precautions. Such precautions as adequate locks on windows and doors, ensuring that cars are locked when left unattended and that valuables are never left on view in unattended cars are all aimed at ensuring that the would be thief or vandal is not given the opportunity to act. I would urge the public to use this service by consulting their local crime prevention officer and seeking advice on securing their homes and property.

I have great faith in the value of co-operation between the public and the Garda to combat crime, so much so that I have provided in the Estimate for 23 community police officers. This will enable the pilot community policing schemes introduced early this year to continue. These schemes which aim at improving communications between gardaí and the community, also provide a visible Garda presence where it is most needed. I am hopeful that these schemes will help to reduce such crimes as vandalism and burglary as well as assisting gardaí generally in the investigation of crime. I am observing the progress of the schemes with great interest and I am hopeful that they will be as successful as the neighbourhood watch schemes have been.

There are now 672 neighbourhood watch schemes involving 156,753 house-holds throughout the country. The Garda authorities consider that these schemes have had a deterring effect on the criminal, have improved co-operation and communication between the public and the garda, have increased public awareness of home security and have lessened anxiety among participants about crime. I believe that the public were for too long an untapped and unrecognised crime prevention source. This and other community based schemes have begun to harness this resource in the fight against crime. I am glad to say that the number of schemes now in existence and the overwhelming public response to the Garda is evidence of the public's willingness to work with the Garda. Long may this effective partnership continue to flourish.

Not quite 12 months ago I had the duty to report to the House the knowledge that, almost certainly, four shipments of arms and ammunition had been brought into the country during the years 1985 and 1986. The extent of these shipments and the sophistication of some of the weaponry meant that the Government have had to face a potentially very serious situation. Deputies will be aware of the nationwide arms search conducted 11 months ago and which, I might mention to the House, is still on-going and will be until we have secured those weapons. The Government will not shirk their obligations in that regard.

The Garda are continuing their search in every Garda division and district in this country. I want to again take this opportunity of asking members of the public to co-operate with the Garda in their search for arms. I would also request people to exercise forebearance in this matter. There have been some complaints that premises and homes have been searched where it was not warranted. However, the Garda have to follow every lead and it would be remiss of them not to do so. If members of the public would try to imagine themselves in the position the Garda are in, they might understand the situation better. Searching houses and premises is in many ways a thankless task, but it has produced results. In the first six months of this year alone over 250 firearms and 137,000 rounds of ammunition have been recovered during the searches. The amount of ammunition recovered was greater than all that had been recovered in the previous ten years.

While I congratulate the Garda on their success and would ask the House to join with me in so doing, I would remind Deputies that the quantity of arms which remains unaccounted for and which has not yet been found is far greater. We have a duty as protectors of democracy to ensure that those arms and ammunition which were brought ashore in 1985-86 are seized by our security forces from the men of violence. The search effort must and will continue.

The Government's allocation of a capital outlay of £4.28 million to upgrading security and services and to improving facilities generally in nearly all the prisons and places of detention indicates continuing commitment to overtaking existing shortcomings. The new custodial accommodation for 320 at Wheatfield was completed in February 1988 and has now been furnished, equipped and commissioned.

The allocation of £42.048 million for prisons pay shows an increase of 11 per cent over that for 1988. This provision will enable the prison service to continue to respond to the various and wide ranging demands being made on it, which with rising committal rates, are constantly increasing. In particular, the provision will enable staff to be provided to cater for additonal accommodation due to come on stream shortly.

This additional accommodation is in two areas. First, additional accommodation is now ready at Fort Mitchel, Spike Island and the allocation will allow the assignment of 19 additional staff there. This accommodation will mean that Fort Mitchel will be catering for about 110 prisoners, and this will, of course, ease the pressure on accommodation which exists in other institutions.

The second area is, of course, the new institution at Wheatfield, Clondalkin, County Dublin and the allocation allows for it to be brought into operation during next year. I have not yet made a final decision on the use to which the institution will be put.

Deputies will be aware that, following the recent industrial action a review of rostering arrangements in the prison service has been carried out by Professor Basil Chubb. I have recently received his report and it is at present being considered in my Department.

The Estimates also make provision for education and work training programmes in the prisons. The allocations are £250,000 and £600,000, respectively. I attach great importance to these programmes as it is through them that efforts are made to improve the prisoner both as a person and in regard to his responsibilities to others, as well as providing him with skills which he did not have. On the education side, there are now the equivalent of 97 full time teachers, mainly from local vocational education committees, providing tuition to offenders in all the institutions. General school subjects are taught but considerable attention is paid to subject areas such as literacy, social education, art, physical education, languages, wood-work, drama and music. In addition, a number of offenders are pursuing degree courses in the Open Universities.

The work training programmes provide industrial training and occupational activity which are designed to prepare offenders for employment, which we hope will be available to them, after imprisonment. A variety of workshop and agricultural activities are also available which enable a wide range of aptitudes and interests among offenders to be catered for. The importance of work training in the prisons is borne out by the fact that such programmes have been grant-aided from the European Social Fund in recent years.

I believe that the wider use of alternatives to prison is necessary to stem the flow of committals to custody. The Criminal Justice (Community Service) Act, 1983, which I initiated, provides that offenders can be required by the courts to perform a specified number of hours of unpaid work for the benefit of the community. The work is performed under the general supervision of the probation and welfare service of my Department. The community service order scheme is being widely implemented by the courts. To date, more than 3,000 orders have been made in criminal cases throughout the country in respect of offenders who would otherwise have received a custodial sentence on conviction. These orders, as well as providing a socially constructive, humane and progressive alternative to imprisonment, are also seen to be cost effective.

Another area in which modest investment is being amply repaid is the establishment of probation and welfare projects in the community. Several probation hostels, workshops and resource centres have been set up around the country by voluntary committees in association with the probation and welfare service, for the benefit of offenders on release from prison and young people at risk of getting into trouble with the law. My Department provide 100 per cent grants towards the capital cost of establishing such projects and up to 95 per cent in grants towards their running costs. The total provision in the Estimate of £1,385,000 underlines the Government's commitment to the continuation and development, where possible, of such probation projects as a viable alternative to imprisonment.

The overall increase in the provision on the courts Vote is 5 per cent which is accounted for mainly by staff cost increases. The increase is in line with the general range of increases in the Votes for which I have responsibility.

The fact that there is an overall increase does not mean, however, that the court service is not being effected by cutbacks in resources. In some areas there has been a reduction in staffing levels. Courts must continue to function at an equal if not greater level than previously in order to cope with greater volume of cases and the courts must be provided with a back-up service. The only way of coping is through greater efficiency. I am glad to say that the courts service has been coping well in this situation. I mentioned on previous occasions my desire to see greater efficiency in the court service through a combination of improved working practices and computerisation. A great deal of progress has been made in providing a sound basis for future computerisation of court service operations. Planning for the future is at present under way and in the meantime there is provision in the Vote for next year to enable a certain amount of development work to take place. The provision is not, of course, as great as some would wish bearing in mind that a substantial amount of next year's provision is required to support existing installations. I am optimistic, however, that in the not too distant future conditions will be right for major developments in this whole area.

I am pleased to be able to state that the 1989 Estimates provision for the Land Registry and Registry of Deeds shows a 9 per cent increase over the provision for 1988. Delays in registration of property in the Land Registry have been a matter of serious concern to me. The delays are, of course, due to a reduced number of staff and a higher intake of work. To deal with the problem I have made arrangements under the Government's redeployment programme for the allocation of extra staff to the Land Registry and I am confident that this measure will lead to a considerable improvement in the arrears situation there.

I am confident also that the application of modern technology has a considerable part to play in the provision of an efficient and effective service by both the Land Registry and the Registry of Deeds. The computerisation of the folio records which is currently fully operational in respect of Dublin is being extended to incorporate all the counties of Connacht and County Clare. The computerisation of the abstracts in the Registry of Deeds is also under active consideration at present and I envisage that we can implement such a programme in the latter half of next year.

In the Registry of Deeds?

Vote 20, Office of the Minister for Justice, contains a provision of £2 million for compensation for personal injuries criminally inflicted. This represents an increase of 1 per cent on the £1,975 million in this year's Estimate. I have given careful consideration to the funding of the scheme for personal injuries criminally inflicted. As I have told this House in reply to parliamentary questions, there is a considerable delay at present between the date on which an applicant agrees to accept an award and the date he receives payment: at the moment the gap is approximately one year.

The reason for the delay in making payment is that the provision for awards in the Estimates in recent years has not been sufficient to enable payment to be made in respect of all awards. Prior to the amendment of this scheme with effect from 1 April 1986 the number of applications has been building up steadily year by year. As documentation became available to enable the Criminal Injuries Tribunal to make awards in these cases the cumulative amount of awards made outstripped the annual provision in the Estimates. As a result a time lag developed between the acceptance of the amount of an award by an applicant and the time by which he received payment. As time went by the time lag got longer and, as I already said, it has now stretched to approximately one year.

May I take it the Minister is about to conclude?

In about two minutes, if the House agrees to that.

Yes, that is satisfactory.

To deal with that problem, which I accept is causing hardship to certain people, I will shortly be seeking the agreement of this House for a Supplementary Estimate of £4 million to enable payment to be made this year in respect of all cases in which applicants have accepted awards to date. I am confident that the House will agree with me that this is a reasonable approach to the current problem of funding for the scheme and one which will have a substantial impact on arrears.

A total provision of £4.238 million is included in the Estimates for my office in respect of criminal and civil legal aid. That represents an increase of about £290,000 on the allocation for legal aid in 1988. The increase is due mainly to an expected speeding-up of payments of claims submitted by lawyers under the criminal legal aid scheme arising from computerisation.

The Estimates include provision of £254,000 for the first full year of the operation of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner. The office of the commissioner was created under the Data Protection Act, 1988, which seeks to protect the privacy of individuals about whom personal data are kept without excessive regulations or the imposition of undue burdens on industry. The success of the legislation will depend to a large extent on the independent commissioner who is responsible for ensuring compliance with the provisions of the Act. The Government have already appointed the commissioner and it is proposed that the Act will be brought into full effect in or around April of next year when persons affected will have had sufficient time to adjust to the requirements of the legislation. In line with Government policy it is intended that the staff costs at the office will be met by redeployment and that the fees generated by the registration system established by the Act will go towards the non-pay costs of the office.

I wish to put on record my satisfaction at the success of the Government's financial policy. The 1989 Estimates for the Public Service and the 1989 Summary Capital Programme will lead to further successes and, accordingly, this should be noted by Dáil Éireann.

Debate adjourned.
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